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I totally agree
jyrkia 29th Mar 2012
says unemployed MCSE and MCITP: EA.
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Certification != Knowhow
TWBurger Updated - 26th Mar 2012
My neighbor brought over his Win7 laptop for me to make work again. Seems his Microsoft certified cousin "fixed it". He (among other blasphemies) failed to back up the personal data, removed the virus protection, and clobbered Office 2007. My wife took her laptop into a large retail chain's IT shop (rhymes with Greek fraud) over my objections (she didn''t want to bother me with a simple Vista to Win7 upgrade) and they, after promising no personal files, emails, contact lists or setups would be lost, lost it all. It took me two days to put it back together from old backups. A+ certified indeed. I've worked with PMPs that could only repeat" "Can you have it done by Friday?" with no help in planning or providing resources. At the last place I worked full time I trained the guy with the Oracle certification (I saw the card) on how to program and configure Oracle. And I've worked with PhDs in computer science that did not know how to program.

Having no certifications aside from my CS degree my problem is being rejected after the last three interviews as being "over-qualified".

These certificates certainly would help an HR person weed out applicants and that alone would justify getting them - just so you get to the front of the line and don't get rejected prior to an interview - but they do not prove ability to solve IT problems. They prove you can pass written exams.

Final note: Be wary about buying training for these certification exams. I vetted a couple of training systems for a big health group IT department a couple of years ago and almost everything in the practice exams was wrong.
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RHEL for one....timed and you gotta hustle.

With that said, it was still a situation where I prepped for an exam, then didn't think about it any more. So your point is well taken even in that context.

On the issue of cousins fixing things and such, this puts me to mind of another discussion some of us had about people expecting free work. You get what you pay for. I don't "fix" pc's any more because I'm not spending my hours backing up someone's crap, and fixing their pc, for free...just to have them get mad because I didn't put their desktop back like they had it, or save their web cache. Not related to certs, but you made me think about it.

When people start thinking of this stuff as something they value enough to pay for, they'll start getting better service. As it stands, with me, I'm not even wiping and reloading with no data backup for free.
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Not Free
TWBurger Updated - 26th Mar 2012
Sometimes you fix things because it's a nice thing to do. But, in this case he runs an extermination company and fixed a rat and mouse problem I would have had to pay several hundred for. Most of my examples are for paid work but wouldn't a certified pro do good free work anyway? When did voluntary work make it OK for pros to do crap? I just wrote a DNS server modification script for my daughter and spent considerable time testing it as if I was paid to do it. The response to free work is the best possible you can do or NO, I charge $92 an hour like any other computer repair shop.

What's the Red Hat test like?
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Just make sure you practice.

Honestly, unless a particular employer you want to work for requires it, I'm not sure I'd shell out the money though.
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Cert hater?
jyrkia Updated - 29th Mar 2012
So if you think that having certifications automatically makes professional bad, how about testing it by yourself?

Sit and study some certifications -by your talk i'd assume that MCITP: Server Administrator would be good place to start -and see if it makes you any worse professional?
You propably won't even need any preparing for those...

BTW. if there were Windows 7 certified techie at the place you told about, and who ruined your wifes computer by not knowing how to do in place upgrade from Vista to W7 -he was earned hes certification by using brain dumps for sure.

BTWbtw. some don't even know that they use dumps. I saw one girl bragging about how some certs were easy at the Linked In group (!) and told which materials she used. I checked from www.certquard.com and her materials were listed as dumps.

I told that in the group and suddenly my posts disappeared.. . . it was her topic.
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Seems that you have your own good reasons to be frustrated about certifications. I'm too, but exactly from oposite perspective.
I have seen ppl. in industry who have big ego and lots of character, you know those "i know it all" personalities whos every word is pronounced like it would be something really important..
Somehow i'm allergic to those dudes and i seem to find myself near them quite often.
They say similar stories about incompetent certified ppl. who did this and that. What is their motive to blacken certified professionals? Maybe because they have tried cert exam but FAILED. And it hurted their big ego. So their main message is that all certifications are useless and certified guys incompetent paper certified.
I have also noticed that being trusty personality who "seems" to know much get's easiest success.
That does not need to mean that he is competent for real. Their "being" is what counts.
And i don't have that something, sad but true. I totally lack charisma and not too many ppl. care to listen if i speak long sentences.

So, at some phase i got brilliant idea! As i needed a way to PROVE that i know something, i study certifications. I spent 5,5 years of studying time for getting MCSE and MCITP: EA.
And what i got? Nothing, because my "being" is still same, ppl. seem to see me as same stupid bloke who is help desk material at most.

I loose immediately when there is some of those "i know it all - i'm the owner of the europe" gues in the table. Whether he knows something or not.

That's my message and point here, nothing you know really matters if you don't "feel" competent.
Professional should get others to listen and capabilities to get others convinced ain't bad either.

Seems that because IT-stuff is easy to study, i stay loser forever no matter what certifications i earn, because those other skills are more difficult to get if you don't have them from the beginning.

So first thing needed is right kind of "consultant personality". Second is competence, whether it is studied or learned by doing (and studied as well, only case by case).
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Experience and confidence (and maybe charisma) will beat certifications everytime. However, some folks won't let you in the door without the right cert - and which one is that this week? This Top 10 list will change from year to year. It's crazy.
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Service Management
Neil_Fairhead@... Updated - 26th Mar 2012
Software as a service, Infrastructure as a Service, Cloud Computing... We are moving/have moved to a service based view of computing. Please add service management certification, especially ISO/IEC 20000 Other options include ITIL and MOF.
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Agree
nailfungus 26th Mar 2012
I agree. Database is a very important aspect in all kinds of businesses.
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RHCE
hoplite_q3 26th Mar 2012
Here in Bangladesh, Linux Servers are massively used. However, most of them run on other distributions than Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Still, the RHCE certification can train a person to deftly administer and maintain any Linux based server, even UNIX servers to an extent.
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ITIL
dlovep@... 27th Mar 2012
If you dont have this cert, people in Aussie dont think you can do ITIL framwork, but even if you get the foundation cert only meant you pass a multiple choice test... how great was that.
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Remember...
Anton Avila 10th Apr 2012
The Foundations cert isn't about understanding ITIL in any depth... it's just an introduction to the terms and base concepts... which is why it's a cram-and-dump 40 question multiple choice that's pretty easy to pass if you approach it with even a small measure of engagement.

Don't get me started about ITIL exams generally though... they are on the whole far too easy, and a part of the certification cash-grab. wink That doesn't mean IT shouldn't be embracing IT Service Management though....
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CISA,CISM, Juniper JNCIP
pro_shamim@... Updated - 27th Mar 2012
What about JNCIP-SEC, ENT CISA, and CISM?
I am interested in security certification?
Would you please mention best IT security certifications?
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I think so
anfiber 8th Apr 2012
ITIL is a must for people working in IT
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ITIL - why?
BlackHawk_EH 27th Mar 2012
Why is it a must? In most places the tools themselves provide the framework to follow. It's not like the wheel has to be re-invented each time out. And it certainly isn't as moving a target as the other certifications with respect to new technologies and ways of doing things.

So again I ask why should it be in a top 10 list?

For the record I do have my Foundations cert.
There have been three versions of ITIL (not to mention the individual syllabus changes - the latest being as of November 2011), all updated and based from experiences and feedback from the Enterprise space, so to claim that ITIL doesn't update as other certifications do is just not true; I'm sorry, but it isn't.

The point you make about tools is correct, but only to a degree. If a tool acts in isolation how do you know which process you want supported? How do you know what activities you want conducted, and how they're mandated, measured and managed?

I think you're hinting at tools being the best form of process support, and you're dead right, they're a critical factor. But they are not a solution in and of themselves. That's where ITIL comes in.
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It is a WASTE of time for the technical staff in the trenches.
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Sorry John. Absolutely disagree.

How can a SysAdmin successfully perform an upgrade to a piece of infrastructure if he doesn't know what he's changing? What that piece of infrastructure is related to/dependant upon? How that change will affect the continuity/availability of the IT service that infrastructure is supporting?

Having at least a basic "Foundations-level" knowledge so that you understand your manager's intent is critical.

Let's take your warfare analogy about soldiers in trenches. It's been long understood (and proven), that soldiers a) have a higher chance of achieving their objectives, b) doing so with fewer costs/losses along the way, c) will achieve them faster if they are told *why* they're doing what they're doing.

If a front line tech understands their manager's intent, because they use the same terms, understand the same concepts and have the same visibility into the wider picture, their frontline IT work becomes more efficient, more repeatable, more measurable, and (from the tech's point of view) easier to do in the long term.

For example, if your Change Manager has designed their Change Management process in a way that's too cumbersome to use, that individual Change Manager has implemented their process poorly... it doesn't mean that the idea of Change Management is a bad one.
It seems like there is a bias towards administration related certifications. What about the Microsoft Certified Professinal Developer certifications?

Or maybe Erik Eckel's clients do not need custom applications...
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WHAT ABOUT CISA
samuel@... 27th Mar 2012
I have to declare my interest- I spent quite a pile getting this cert.
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Not Quite ...
crtlbreak 28th Mar 2012
Some of what you say is true but it would be based on your involvement and your opinions - which is perfectly acceptable as it is your publication/article.

The certifications you refer to in your article is desktop/utility/app/connectivity based. There is no mention of ITIL, service delivery, data vault, DB, ISP, streaming, encoding, social media, trending, or any such mention - fairly pertinent technologies/qualifications to "future-proofing" - don't you think?
a littel surprised to not see any ITSM certs on this list. Weuther it be ITIL or ISO/IEC-20000.
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Link-Bait
iantrent@... 28th Mar 2012
I knew this was link bait... ACSP -apple? really? over Citrix, or DB, or over Linux.. yes Linux. Article knowledge FAIL.
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What about GIAC
2a373a 28th Mar 2012
No mention of GIAC/GSE? Not as popular as CISSP with HR and managers. However, far superior in content than CISSP.
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Pro
CISA missing !
Rick11 28th Mar 2012
CISA certification should be on the list !
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Project+
dlragsdale@... 28th Mar 2012
What value does a CompTIA Project+ cert have?
Well-done post - really appreciate that you put more thought into it and were trying to get away from just pushing out the standard list we've all sort of read before ("This isn???t that list.").

Congrats to you and the other bloggers there by the way on being named a Top 20 IT Career Blog (http://www.ine.com/top-it-career-blogs.htm)! Keep up the great work!
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It's interesting that the biggest paradigm shift in the last decade is not well represented.

Yes, there is a little bit of virtualisation included, but I am surprised that we don't see more about the usage of cloud platforms. The abstraction that cloud computing provides, and the ability to focus away from plumbing, lights-on, and reactive/low value tasks is a huge win for any business (not to mention the IT professionals affected). As such, we need people that have abstracted skills and certifications (e.g. about cloud computing, on the cloud platforms and standards, etc).

I would expect to see certifications relating to CloudU, Rackspace, Amazon, Google, Salesforce.com and other providers appear more and more in this type of list, in addition to technologies around DevOps and other "new school" development and management practices (e.g. chef, puppet, vagrant, openstack, agile methods, etc).

Big/unstructured data is also going to be big - as well as the ability to extract intelligence from all that data. That means less about Oracle and SQL Server and more about CouchDB. Mongo, et al.

Disclaimer: I am a proud Salesforce.com employee and social/agile/cloud evangelist from way back, before those labels were coined.
I remember reading similar articles 10 years ago. What is interesting is the number of certifications recommended back then which are still on the list today! Granted, what's listed above are the grandchildren of those of yesteryear (MCSE morphing into MCITP, etc), but it's all very same-old.

VCP is probably the only really 'new' one.

PMP seems to have taken over from Prince2.


But I agree with the posters above: where are the database, Citrix and Linux certs??
This was only personal and biased opinion, without any relation to reality. I just have to work on hardware and operating systems support of a Microsoft / CISCO shop to come with this list, but this doesn't mean it is representative of the general TI market as the author claims. sad
Even those shops should have, if you trust market research from IDC, Forrester, and other meadia sites such as ZDnet, high demand for database administrators, linux sysadmins, and virtualization experts, but the author choose to ignore this. Maybe he gets a comission to tests sold by the "recomended" certifications. wink
I am MCITP: EA and unemployed.

Your first thought would then obviously be "yeah, but you were brain dump user for sure!" ?
That wouldn't be more wrong. I hate dump users SO much, for obvious reasons. Because of them industry does not trust certifications that much anymore.
And if someone who is unemployed is heavily certified, only reason he is unemployed must be that he is dump user. Aaaargh. Those dump user-scumbag-lolife-cheaters ruin my whole damn life!

Studying this certifications have took 5,5 years off my life. Most tests needed 3-5 months preparing, Two of them took whole year and couple more easier ones approximately one month.
My certification path went like this from 2006 to 2011:
MCP, MCDST, MCSA and MCSE.
then updated it to 2008 Server and Win7 by taking 70-647 first, then upgrading MCSE to MCITP: EA test and saved Windows 7 (70-680) for last.

I'm a bit disappointed. When i reached MCSE at 2010 it was like achieving my biggest goal, getting to final after many years work. It caused anticlimax effect. No agents were knocking behind my door.
Only option for me was to obtain newer MCITP: Enterprise Administrator certification.
I thought so because it is big certification with more current technologies and give employers those valuable MS partnership points. So it would make sure that my career would start and for good!

Nope. Same anticlimax again. I was trying to get some production work at the local factory but couldnt get that either.
GOD how i feel frustrated. I know plenty of ppl. who has their IT careers running well and they had not go through all this difficulties. One of my old good friends had no IT area education at all and hes career has continued over decade! He started at phonesalesman and sold magazines.
I'm not envious for him though. Others success is not out of me. It was just one example and i've seen many.

So this all has made me not believing certifications that much anymore. I spent my best years with studing at courses and home with loads of books and virtual labs. And for what? Nothing. Except stress and frustration.

Still.. i feel IT area is my calling. I'm gonna keep studying, at home until im.. if not best in the country, very good.
If im so good at some point that i could solve things that other admins -who are hired- can't solve, i can't see any reasons that prevents me to get there, eventually.

But studying just to get more certs... that seems not to do the trick! Perhaps i should create massive blog site where i document all that i know.
It might take years though. I just hope that end of the world doesn't come before that. wink

Maybe i should study and sit this whole list? Maybe then my luck would turn... or not. Here in finland employers would propably still saying: "it's nice that you have those certifications -what have you done?".
Meaning that they don't trust/know about certs.

Even more annoying version: ": "it's nice that you have those certifications -what can you DO?".
Been there, heard that.
Try becoming a Web Application Developer as that is easy to show what you know. I have several certs (CompTIA A+, Net+, Sec+ and Project+, as well as several MCTS (including Win 7, Server 2008). It took me 2 years to finish these in 2009. Because I am in the UK and my experience was gained outside the EU and UK, Employers still rejected me like harzadous chemicals!

So it was time for plan B!I then started teaching myself HTML, CSS, JavaScript and PHP. A year after learning PHP and these other languages, I approached two Schools and offered to build them a very good website, than what they had. Both agreed and I built thgose websites while still learning. Using those as examples of past projects, I started getting more work. I also built a Database to manage Exam Results for Schools, to do what teachers were doing either with excel or manually. The Database became a hit and now it is being installed in more schools and its in constant demand, now being adapted for Colleges!

Now did I waste money on my certs? Nope, actaually they are working for me, because I am now offering services such as repairing/ optising and servicing PCs, installing and configuring windows servers, and have many clients who came through my web apps business and through refferals. I get alot of work related to virus attacks, and where PCs have been hacked, and my CompTIA Sec+ has helped me. When my clients ask if I have a degree in IT because I am so good, I tell them that I merely have Certs, and they get very surprised and begin respecting me even more saying I am really serious to have taken time to study and get them and they can see I am certified by my work. Now imagine the opposite, showing them certs, before you prove you can deliver? Now I am no longer interested in working for anyone as I am doing very well and has so much business I have to choose what to focus on.Yet folks with even more skills and certs than me are waiting to be employed!!!

Employers have no idea how good you are, and don't blame them. There are plenty of folks with dozens of certs who cannot even replace a power supply even if they have A+. The market is pretty much tough so having certs cannot asure you of a job. Certs are meaninless unless the holder can prove what they can do. In many cases you should validate what you know already. Just accumulating certs does not mean you are more employable. Seeing you are clever to have reached that far, come up with a way to use your credentials, employement is not the only way.
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Juniper
kmdennis@... 29th Mar 2012
How can you mention CISCO and completely ignore the the premium Bently of certification Juniper!!
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Thanks
shahdan 30th Mar 2012
Thanks for the list... and also all the comment.. really helpful to me.
The list seems to be not objectively right. Citrix and Linux certifications should be included. However, I'm getting ready for my MCITP test next month.
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CISSP
xaeth 2nd Apr 2012
I'd like to meet someone with a CISSP that made me feel like the certification was worth something.

My favorite statement from a CISSP is "I don't trust ssh over telnet" (paraphrased.. this was like 7 years ago).
Why do nine (9) of the ten (10) certifications in your list have something significantly involved with Microsoft and its minions?
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Security Certs
Derek Mart 14th Apr 2012
While CISSP is the ultimate certification for security professionals, Security+ is a good introductory certification for young security enthusiasts venturing into the security field. I would argue that any IT professional would benefit from having a good foundation in security. The next step would be the other (ISC)^2 certification SSCP, which has fewer domains and fewer requirements to maintain the certification. One may attend a local ISSA chapter meeting to learn more about it before making the decision to go down that path.
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The CompTIA Security+ certification is a must have for many DoD contractor positions.
I too believe the more fundamental CCNA (Cisco Certified Network Associate) certification is a smart bet.
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Yes, it's a Microsoft world ... today. I've lived IT for more than 30 years and seen technologies come and go - and I hope to see many more come and go before I punch out.

It's interesting that you've put Microsoft as the top, what, two (or ten, if you count all the variations you listed) certs and skipped a whole bunch of others. Many others have pointed out that you totally missed the service lifecycle management stuff. I would have had those close to the top of the list. I also find it interesting that you mentioned the Microsoft virtualization certs, but you mentioned only VCP for VMware - what about VCAP & VCDX? To me, those are MUCH more valuable than a VCP.

I guess you're never going to make everyone happy, but the way I see it, this list comes from someone who lives in a Microsoft castle and never sets foot outside to see what the rest of the world is doing. Go for a walk every once in a while - there's a great big world outside of Microsoft!
Must be tough to crack all these exams.
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HDI certifications the leading credentials for technical support professionsals that focus on service management and customer services skills. They address they skills needed to be successful in support that complement hardwares and software certifications such as CompTIA's A+ and MCITP.
There are 8 different Certifications in Java Programming Language.
Sun Certified Java Associate (SCJA)
Sun Certified Java Programmer (SCJP)
Sun Certified Java Developer (SCJD)
Sun Certified Web Component Developer (SCWCD)
Sun Certified Business Component Developer (SCBCD)
Sun Certified Developer For Java Web Services (SCDJWS)
Sun Certified Mobile Application Developer (SCMAD)
Sun Certified Enterprise Architect (SCEA)

last four certifications are also very difficult.
you can find very less people in the world.

why Java Certifications not there in the list???????????????
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I am in Telecommunication and studied IT (A+, N+ with a bit of web development HTML and Java). what course can you suggest to study since I am in Telecoms? was thinking of CCNA (Cisco)?
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Why ?
jonnykkcage 15th Jun
Indeed Why is Citrix nowhere to be found?
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A+/Network+
F.Damper Updated - 17th Jun
I like how A+/Network+ cert's are on here.They give organizations baseline of a persons knowledge; especially dealing with tech support jobs, internships and many entry level positions. Gives an impression of solid understanding for why and how the IT structure behaves.
I love reading these top ten lists for the entertainment factor of the comment section. ; ^ )
As a CISSP, CEH, and a ton of other certs gathered over twenty some years, plus degrees, and all kinds of other accolades, the one thing I will say that really matters to your employers / clients is - RESULTS. If you are lucky or skillful enough to land a gig, and you do an outstanding job of it, then word will get around that you can do IT. (Whatever IT is.) Having the certs gives YOU a great sense of achievement, I can attest to this. I busted my narrow a** to get that CISSP, and pretty much all of them. I don't feel someone who has not gone through a similar experience is in a position to judge their worth to ME. I can honestly say that CEH doesn't compare to CISSP, and that MCTS does not make you a great programmer, even though I have all of them. In my humble opinion, CEH is neat in the way it exposes you to the nuts and bolts of IT security and the CISSP is what separates the management guys from everyone else. The difference is that any competent person with some technical ability can DO the things in the CEH domains. I would submit that a substantially fewer number of people can do everything required to get CISSP.

In the grand scheme of things, the CISSP is a very respected cert because it is managed well by its parent organization. CEH may eventually get there as well.

I agree with those who stated that SANS certs, Linux, and DB certs, as well as ITIL were given short shrift on this PARTICULAR list. However, this is a Microsoft centric offering, and in that light (and seeing that HR is mostly interested in these particular certs) I would have to agree that the list seems pretty accurate.

Best luck in all our careers!
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