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win is for enterprize to make your job not as hard.Oh i get it less work for you =less of you get a job.have you read the microsoft infomation and i am not talking about cnet.
While I can understand a corporation wanting to amalgamate OS's across devices I should think that primarily there need be usage similarities. There is not really any working similarity between the desktop and small touch screen portables. The click click approach does not translate for the majority of the work done on a desktop. To say it's a matter of adaptation on the part of the user is ridiculous at this stage. Even if MS had the necessary apps in place, so much of the detail work done on desktops would still require customization or even more apps. MS to me has the cart before the horse with this OS. Apps shouldn't be driving OS development and use.
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BLOW BACK IN TIME
JP-470 2nd Apr 2012
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Mouse in the corner?? That is reminiscent of.... ancient times... something about screensavers. Anyway, what I've heard and read from the reviewer's does not inspire me either. I skipped over Vista and now am fully invested in Windows 7 which I readily & happily accepted first at home and then at work. I have the bare minimum number icons on my desktop because the office makes me (none on my home computers) .
I do not mind tiles on my phone, they are readable, not on my desktop.
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I have had windows 8 from the beginning and find it confusing and cumbersome to use.
I have 9 desktops and 4 laptops and not one has a touchscreen. My main computer has two screens and can barely reach them even if they were touchscreen capable it would be very difficult to use like that. I haven't given up on win8 but I find it frustrating to use, for instance every program I have installed has not shown up in the tiles like they are supposed to, unless of course they are Microsoft programs they show up. And say trying to use the calender app you have to login to windows mail but it wont let you cut and paste the info. It seems to me they are trying to look like an Apple device, why?
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Windows 8
rennyg1@... 2nd Apr 2012
Can you say " Linux " LOL ;o)
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W8 as VM
rocketmouse 2nd Apr 2012
"just right-click in the bottom left corner and it will appear"
Ya-a, sure, you betcha. The only way I can do *anything* with W8 Preview, running as a Virtual Machine, is by positioning the mouse cursor in the *upper right* corner. Hardly satisfactory, so I rarely run it. All these other movements of the mouse sound intriguing in theory, but...
Haven't tried it yet on my desktop (32in monitor) but already hate it. Several items to consider:
1. Why would I want to involve gross motor skills, moving my arm and shoulder, when minor motor skills, hands and fingers, are all that is necessary now? You sit in front of my monitor all day and you won't need your health club membership any longer.
2. I don't want to learn an entirly new set of mouse and shortcut key skills that won't translate to the individual applications I plan to continue using. I'll concede the the need for a better tablet interface but for desktop use, the old gui is better than the compromise. The currently standard interface should be an easily accessed option.
3. I don't need Microsoft to decide which apps are important to me and which aren't. I want total control over the start menu, the desktop, the task bar, and the folder structure on any storage device.

4. And while we are on the subject of folder structure, it is time to air my pet peeve. System level virtual folders! Stupid, Stupid, Stupid! My desktop is used by my entire family, each of whom has their own documents, music, video, and pictures. I have to use third-party software to organize and play the media because windows' offerings won't easily differentiate among the various folders. I know I could set up different user accounts for each member of the family, but whom are they kidding?
All I get on my Windows 8 Preview is teh Switch back to the Metro Interface. Right Clicking Does Nothing
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hi
sarai1313@... 5th Apr 2012
take your mouse take it all the way to the right then move it up and down and menu will show up.
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To: Hi
lk_bellsouth.net 6th Apr 2012
In theory, you are correct. However, for ease of use, peak productivity, and familiarity for the client there is, in my opinion, nothing that will take the place of the menu bar with it's drop down choices. If this were not the case then there would not be an endless trail of complaints from technicians and clients alike in regard to the ribbon concept that Microsoft seems to think is wonderful. This is but one of many issues that is an example of the fact that Microsoft has not been listening to their client base for quite some time and has given no indication that this trend will change in the future. It's the attitude that is displayed in saying that "you WILL go to the party and you WILL have fun" that is decreasing market share for MS and will continue to do so. Windows 8 is simply the latest installment of their policy of attitudinal indifference by Microsoft. For a corporation that has made so many major positive contributions to the IT industry to come to this level could best be summed up in saying that they has simply grown too big for their britches.
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The interface is garbage. The no tech users are going to have a hard time getting around in this software. I have had a few no tech types tell me after using the new interface, they were very fustrated and would not consider going to Windows 8. The Metro desktop is way to cluttered.
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Ship of fools
Wolfchen 2nd Apr 2012
Windows 8 is a good example of how to make simple tasks complex. It now requires multiple steps to accomplish what previously took a single click. So this is the best that the brains at Microsoft can design, after spending countless hours and money in pursuit of the "must have" operating system? Talk about the dumbing-down of expectations.
...shell=somthing.exe

I recommend
shell=winfile.exe
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Video Game
da philster 2nd Apr 2012
If I want a video game, I'll buy one.
Give me a desktop that I don't have to jump through hoops to get any work done.
Are you listening, Microsoft?
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Misled
rocketmouse 3rd Apr 2012
I feel misled by Deb Shinder. Just sayin'.
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Maybe an inexpensive touch mouse surface like the wacom bamboo? I use this unit on my win7 desktop and it gives me some of the touchpad like gestures that Win8 would requre. It's not a perfect solution by any stretch for an enterprise environment but for an individual or soho... For the big boys, I'd stay with WIn7 till MS comes to its senses and offers a less tablet centric UI.
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I didn't even read this article. I don't plan to.

And I can tell you right now, that the day I need "tips" on how to use a mouse in Windows, is the day I opt for another OS. If MS has gotten so out-of-touch with who uses what kind of machine, that they think they must now customize their OS to the phone crowd exclusively, then there MUST be better options for me to use with my (yes) desktop and notebook.
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Happy MacUser
rocketmouse 5th Apr 2012
Try OS X (on a Mac.) I think you're in for a pleasant surprise.
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I agree completely that many people would be happy with a Mac. Apple makes and develops an excellent platform. For those that can afford an iMac, which costs in most cases more than double that of a Windows unit, I wish them well. However, most of the clients that I work with are not in that income bracket nor am I. If I were to recommend a change to my clients away from Windows I would suggest Ubuntu Linux or perhaps Linux Mint due to cost constraints. However, this would need to be done only after thorough discussion and planning with my client. Have a good day, Happy Mac!
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Not affluent
rocketmouse 7th Apr 2012
I'm always amazed at how people think you have to be rich to own a Mac. I have two: My MacBook (13", original version, rather old by now) was 1/2 paid for by my employer and I was allowed to keep it when the company ceased to exist, and my MacBook Pro (15", no spring chicken either--from 2008) was a hand-me-down from a friend.
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So you don't get why people think Macs are expensive, but you didn't pay full price for either of yours. If they hadn't been subsidized / free, would you have purchased either one new at retail prices?
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I didn't "not get" why people think Macs are expensive (they are,) what I said was that I'm amazed at how people think you *have to be rich* to own a Mac. I'm pretty sure there are others like me who *own* one but couldn't afford to get it new at retail prices. That said, why do you think I wanted (and went after) one in the first place... This was long before W8 and mousing problems appeared. My comment was in reply to Lightning Joe who "wanted" a better option.
Rocketmouse, I'm happy for you that you had a benefactor that thought highly of you and donated your Mac units to you. You are, indeed, very fortunate. As for the rest of us, well, we have to pay for what we get no matter if its cars, houses, groceries, or Macs. So, Rocketmouse, with all due respect your comments really aren't relevant but I appreciate the thought. I hope that you have a good day.
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Thank you
rocketmouse 8th Apr 2012
Thank you for that sentiment. As for my "comments really aren't relevant" please see my reply to Palmetto_CharlieSpencer (and Lightning Joe.) Have a good day you too. I hope you figure out better than I can how to use the mouse in W8.
You've got 10.7 trying to get that launchpad think to look like an iPad. Sheesh. I like a big, fat computer that needs to be bolted to the floor. Just stop it!
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Windows 8
al@... 3rd Jun
Why O Why do people slag things off before they actualy get into it When Vista came out and windows 7 you hear the same things moaning before they actualy get used to it as far as saying Windows 8 is worst than ME must be the worst comment made against Windows 8 I have been using Windows 8 preview for some time now and the ease of getting in shortcuts to do tasks is SIMPLE so please find out how to use systems before slagging them off
Alan Davies
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for those of us who have been supporting computers for years to see what the effect is going to be. I don't think anyone questions that the Metro GUI will probably work on a tablet. The criticism is that it isn't going to work on a desktop, because the two form-factors are COMPLETELY different market segments! They are different users - content consumers vs content creators, basic users vs power users, etc. and different form-factors - touchscreen + finger vs large/multiple screens and keyboard/mouse. The whole point of making a computer is to make it a configurable tool that can cater to different types of users and use cases. Microsoft is trying to ignore the cardinal purpose of the tool called the computer and change it from a Swiss-army knife into a screwdriver. And many of us want MORE than a screwdriver.
I have many older clients that are receiving their nice new Windows 8 computers from well meaning children only to find themselves using their new computers as paper weights. For these older clients the maddening need to put the mouse in the various corners to bring up needed icons for switching apps or changing settings or bring up the slightly familiar desktop, only to have them disappear before they can navigate to them is just too frustrating to continue using. I have already taken many calls from clients that just want to get into familiar territory where the computer acts the way they expect it to. Metro is just not that place. One thing MS wasn't banking on, was how verbal these folks can be to their gigantic friend networks in their adult communities and other gathering places. Demand for Windows 7 machines will surely be steady for a good while to come, because of the negative experience these folks are having. At the very least MS should be allowing all kinds of easily implemented work-arounds to make this new operating system friendly for baby boomers and their parents. This means giving it the look and feel of something familiar like Windows 7 or XP. Change is not always good. In the case of Windows 8, its worse than usual.
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