Brrrr.. the sheer horror.
This OS is not going to make it to my desktop...:)
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I am with you. I see nothing in these slides to say this is any different from the consumer preview; the author focuses mostly on Metro apps, which I couldn't care less about. My use of the consumer preview tells me the desktop function is simply Win 7 shoe horned into the Metro interface so why not just stay with Win 7, which I will. There are ways to make Win 8 even more like Win 7 but then again why bother.
It was fun to play with the consumer preview and I downloaded the ISO for the release preview last night to make sure but still it is only for my entertainment I suspect I will delay using Win 8 for real for as long as possible.
It was fun to play with the consumer preview and I downloaded the ISO for the release preview last night to make sure but still it is only for my entertainment I suspect I will delay using Win 8 for real for as long as possible.
"There are ways to make Win 8 even more like Win 7"
Yeah - like XP had a Win2000 skin, and you can make Vista *look* like XP - but they always loose functionality - never works quite like it used to, and the features I like best in the original tend to be left out
Think I'll go load ubuntu...
Yeah - like XP had a Win2000 skin, and you can make Vista *look* like XP - but they always loose functionality - never works quite like it used to, and the features I like best in the original tend to be left out
Think I'll go load ubuntu...
Yeah I have seen some the the others ways to make it more like Win 7 but again why not just stay with the original until you can't then find somethig else like Linux.
a range of different GUIs to choose from as well.
Because Linux, is Linux, is FOSS. So Linux being FOSS means you can always invoke the Source option, which multiplied by the Free and Open options nets you infinite Software solutions.
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I used Ubuntu with compiz and turned the sucker off - 'twas easy to do. I now use Zorin OS as it's easier due to the selection of GUIs offered and the simple GUI changer provided. The fact you can get a huge range of GUI options in Linux is one of it's strengths as you can shop around for one you like.
I hate it! This is just a clumsy attempt to brainwash desktop users to adopt the MS phone metaphor! Metro will not be a part of my computing environment. What BS! Cliff
I wouldn't be missing Tweetdeck anyway on Windows 8 since the current version is practically useless. I am still running the older Adobe Air version that is much more customizable and more useful to me. Hopefully someone will write a decent 3rd party twitter client that is metro friendly.
Hopefully it will go the way of Vista and be short lived. At least Windows 7 will be around for a while yet.
You'd see that Microsoft has a couple ways they can pull the rug out from under you. Their most solid hold I'm seeing comes from their validation scheme. It is in effect a remote kill switch, that Microsoft can flip on you at any time, and you agreed to give them carte blanche with it by accepting the license to begin with.
That one is air tight, and unless you disconnect your PC from the Internet I'm not seeing any way around it. It wouldn't surprise me if the stuff had a built in self destruct timer activated by loss of network connectivity. Honestly I'd be more surprised if Microsoft hadn't built such a mechanism into Windows.
Windows Defender is the other way I'm seeing of Microsoft recalling Windows any time they feel like it too. But that does seem like more of an opt in deal to me.
The bottom line is Windows belongs to Microsoft and you only lease a license for as long as they say you can. The EULA is very clear to me on this point. In my opinion the whole rotten document is one festering warty toad, from the end user's perspective anyways.
Why anyone would agree to these terms is beyond me. But every Windows user in the world has.
This is a much more user friendly license:
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html
That one is air tight, and unless you disconnect your PC from the Internet I'm not seeing any way around it. It wouldn't surprise me if the stuff had a built in self destruct timer activated by loss of network connectivity. Honestly I'd be more surprised if Microsoft hadn't built such a mechanism into Windows.
Windows Defender is the other way I'm seeing of Microsoft recalling Windows any time they feel like it too. But that does seem like more of an opt in deal to me.
The bottom line is Windows belongs to Microsoft and you only lease a license for as long as they say you can. The EULA is very clear to me on this point. In my opinion the whole rotten document is one festering warty toad, from the end user's perspective anyways.
Why anyone would agree to these terms is beyond me. But every Windows user in the world has.
This is a much more user friendly license:
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html
know is that huge sections of the Microsoft EULA are against the consumer laws in many legal jurisdictions (even many in the USA) and that their application of some of those penalties for a section that's not locally legal leaves them wide open to being sued for big bucks.
Another aspect is that the majority of Windows users have NEVER seen the EULA. Buy a system with Windows preloaded and you it's rare you see the EULA as it comes up during the installation, and, anyway, it's way too later after you've paid your money. If you use Windows at work I doubt you've read the EULA as the system would have set up well before you got near it.
Another aspect is that the majority of Windows users have NEVER seen the EULA. Buy a system with Windows preloaded and you it's rare you see the EULA as it comes up during the installation, and, anyway, it's way too later after you've paid your money. If you use Windows at work I doubt you've read the EULA as the system would have set up well before you got near it.
The new Metro-UI is supposed for finger-usage, as needed on phones and pads, but surely not for mouse/keyboard users. So for all desktop- and laptop-users, W8 is a big backward step (compared to W7) in usability and so will not be a success for Microsoft.
Best solution would be the development of 2 independet OS, one for mouse/keyboard, one for finger. Merging and mixing both into one OS is the wrong decision, but MS insits on learning this the hard way.
Good Luck Folks !!
Best solution would be the development of 2 independet OS, one for mouse/keyboard, one for finger. Merging and mixing both into one OS is the wrong decision, but MS insits on learning this the hard way.
Good Luck Folks !!
Have you installed and used it?
You'll find that even with Metro on you'll be using the keyboard more.
The upgrade process from 7 to 8 was simple, and some of the apps I'm using (remote desktop) are nice. Kind of like RDMAN built in. The people and calendar tiles are cool - and you can navigate quickly and easily with hot keys. The new task manager is nice, and the search is instant.
This is still the preview, I'm looking forward to the polished finished product. I find it odd there are so many negative comments coming from IT workers - especially when it looks like most posters have not even attempted and install!
You'll find that even with Metro on you'll be using the keyboard more.
The upgrade process from 7 to 8 was simple, and some of the apps I'm using (remote desktop) are nice. Kind of like RDMAN built in. The people and calendar tiles are cool - and you can navigate quickly and easily with hot keys. The new task manager is nice, and the search is instant.
This is still the preview, I'm looking forward to the polished finished product. I find it odd there are so many negative comments coming from IT workers - especially when it looks like most posters have not even attempted and install!
I have installed the consumer preview and spent several hours playing with it. There is very little, if anything, in Metro that makes my job or my home computer usage easier or better and since the desktop in Win 8 is mostly just Win 7 I choose not to add the extra complexity and problems of Metro for what I consider very little value.
I did install it under Virtualbox and tried it for a while. I start from my desktop where i have all i needed (and very managable). In W8 i have to click to get my desktop??? What waste of time. And I dont want a "startmenu" which is filling up my whole screen. I dont want all those social apps and gadgets in my face. I have a desktop and use it for my adminstration, gaming and work. I have at average 5 windows open. I am not going to use a touchscreen and i prefer my mouse (far over hotkeys).
That Metro interface is horrible imho. Nothing more.
And it is not about not willing to change. Because i am moving to Linux in the meantime. And that is a change.. Just because of W8 on the horizon and i think that Windows, from now, wont become any better. So i am willing to learn and adjust...:)
That Metro interface is horrible imho. Nothing more.
And it is not about not willing to change. Because i am moving to Linux in the meantime. And that is a change.. Just because of W8 on the horizon and i think that Windows, from now, wont become any better. So i am willing to learn and adjust...:)
Dear MS,
Although this new desktop would probably be accepted, probably not, by the consumer market, business users won't stand for it. Having to learn a new desktop cost $$$ in lost productivity. I know that i can change Metro interface to look like the Windows 7 desktop, however the first impression business users and IT departments will have will be negative. Lead with features and then show us the optional new desktop GUI and how it ties in to the new OS.
Although this new desktop would probably be accepted, probably not, by the consumer market, business users won't stand for it. Having to learn a new desktop cost $$$ in lost productivity. I know that i can change Metro interface to look like the Windows 7 desktop, however the first impression business users and IT departments will have will be negative. Lead with features and then show us the optional new desktop GUI and how it ties in to the new OS.
Not for me either. I cannot see the benefit of the Metro interface over the standard Windows 7 desktop. Change for changes sake is not progress.
Win 8 is a big joke. It's becoming a habit at Microsoft to publish a loser to be followed by a winner. Let's hope this newest OS disaster wont last long. I can't see how it would, especially since they coded the OS to prohibit adding the desktop feature back in.
As a business owner I'll never switch to Win 8. The same goes for me using a pc or laptop privately. Seems Win 7 will go the way of XP. When will MS learn? Wouldn't it be nice if they did a user survey BEFORE they embark on costly screw-ups?
As a business owner I'll never switch to Win 8. The same goes for me using a pc or laptop privately. Seems Win 7 will go the way of XP. When will MS learn? Wouldn't it be nice if they did a user survey BEFORE they embark on costly screw-ups?
... they don't even need to bother w/ the expense of a user a survey. They can just ask me.
I figured I was alone, just being a stick-in-the-mud, not likeing the new, sticking with 'old' win 7.
The new metro looks like, after getting us a nice pen and paper set ( win 7 ) MS wants us to go back to colouring with crayons on cardboard!
yes I said colouring
The new metro looks like, after getting us a nice pen and paper set ( win 7 ) MS wants us to go back to colouring with crayons on cardboard!
yes I said colouring
I immediately went in once I installed this and did the same thing I did in the Customer Preview, I changed all but one of the METRO default apps to real normal windows apps, the exception being the PDF reader. Then yesterday I went to print a PDF document and discovered that the METRO PDF apps appears to have no print function, so it is a useless as well and I went and installed Adobe Reader meaning I am not running no METRO apps at all. Well other than the stupid start screen which I see only when I boot up the PC.
OK, I get it.
MS has created an all-in-one OS that will run on PC's, tablets, and smart-phones.
What works on a tablet or a smart-phone screen doesn't necessarily work on a 27" monitor.
Still time to make a few more tweaks before final release, Microsoft.
Why not just code METRO as a plug-in for the desktop environment and make everybody happy?
Choice is good.
Just saying ....
MS has created an all-in-one OS that will run on PC's, tablets, and smart-phones.
What works on a tablet or a smart-phone screen doesn't necessarily work on a 27" monitor.
Still time to make a few more tweaks before final release, Microsoft.
Why not just code METRO as a plug-in for the desktop environment and make everybody happy?
Choice is good.
Just saying ....
and a 24" side by each and Windows 8 looks real good on both of my screens. I also have a convertible touchscreen 12" laptop that it looks real good on.
Honestly, I don't understand the big deal about clicking "desktop." I see folks posting here like it adds this huge amount of time to their workflow. I found in daily use that clicking on "desktop" when I need it results in immediate transition to it. When I come back to my laptop after it has been hibernating or sleeping it goes right to the desktop if that's where I was when I left.
I agree with you, choice is good.
I agree with you, choice is good.
Count me out. I tried the previous version of 8 but now that you can't install a go-around for the lack of a "Start" button.....I have no use for this or any other upcoming version of Win 8...oops, I mean Vista 8.0
First of all, this will spread on smart phones like a wildfire in the North Pole. And for that, they want us all to scrap Window 7 -- for which we waited years -- and adopt something that might work great with savant chimpanzees, but I am NOT one of them! I skipped VISTA practically altogether (there is a God!) because I took the MCSE when XP came out. By then, I was still missing some DOS features. The more time passes, the more they try to hide file names and functions, folders and directories for "libraries" so you will feel totally retarded and dependent on someone else for the most basic functions, and now this? nuuuuuu nuuuuuu nooooo! I can put that one on the back burner and let it consume itself. Maybe they will learn their lesson and do better with v.9. Just saying....
Remember in the early '90s when all the PC manufacturers were hummin along with IBM's XT/AT architecture and IBM says "come on, folks! We're switchin gears! No more XT/AT boxes, we're ALL goin to PS-3! We are the Pied Piper - You must follow us!".
..and we all said "Screw You!" The Compaq, et al consortium flipped 'em the bird, and where is PS-3 now?
..and we all said "Screw You!" The Compaq, et al consortium flipped 'em the bird, and where is PS-3 now?
MCA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_Channel_architecture
I guess we all don't remember too clearly though ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_Channel_architecture
I guess we all don't remember too clearly though ...
...and examine the photos in it carefully for hairy visages. I bet you're already a monkey's uncle. You Minesweeper Consultant & Solitaire Expert! You'll bow down and run Win8 like the tool that you are.
I'll stick with Win 7 and Ubuntu without Unity: tablet OSes don't scale well on desktop machines.
Like Linux is a step down from Windows or something. It only is if you're incompetent and cannot administer your system properly. I've been running Linux for 17 years now and I'm happy. Granted one has to know a few things ... and I could stand to know a few more myself. But I am secure in the knowledge that I have the freedom of FOSS. No corporation is in any position to stick me with junk I don't want!
Debian Squeeze + KDE Trinity = My Choices
Debian Squeeze + KDE Trinity = My Choices
People i do not know how many of you remember all the noise about going to a GUI, from command line, so all of you who are saying [it is horrible/ i will never use it/ will go with Linux, You can some will stay, some will come back. But like most changes most people do not like it, there are good and bad points with anything that is new, and for the people saying [I WILL NOT LEARN ANYTHING NEW] might want to thing about that when they get a new phone, a new car, a new most anything. Because if you do not take the time to read the manual you be the mass who still have 12:00pm blinking on there VCR. So please like anything new give it time and the good and bad will make it around on blogs like this and everywhere else.
Open up and cool down folks!!
Open up and cool down folks!!
However, many are asking what do I get in return for bothering to learn. Most people buy a new phone because it has new features they want; they know in advance what they hope to gain from learning to use it. I haven't seen anything in the two previous trial releases of W8 that makes me think there's any payback for my corporate users' time and lost productivity while they learn it.
... doesnt work for me. And many others. New is not always better.
This is the first time i am really against "the new MS OS". Before i only complained about the frequency MS would like you to buy a new OS. And i am using Windows since 1995 and started with DOS. I dont mind "new and change". But i want things to be practical. W8 is made for tablets and that is o.k. But it sux on a desktop (I tried W8 for a little while).
This is the first time i am really against "the new MS OS". Before i only complained about the frequency MS would like you to buy a new OS. And i am using Windows since 1995 and started with DOS. I dont mind "new and change". But i want things to be practical. W8 is made for tablets and that is o.k. But it sux on a desktop (I tried W8 for a little while).
If Microsoft built cars and Apple made motorcycles, Microsoft would copy Apple by putting motorcycle handlebars in all their cars. No more steering wheels, no more shift levers, just handlebars, whether customers want them or not. After all, Microsoft doesn't want to be left behind: Apple must be copied at all costs.
the METRO is so ugly, i dont want to have it on my pc. i need my desktop with everything that i put there for my everyday use.
Sorry, no sale. The only people that may accept this regression are the ones that spend their time doing nothing at there computer ( Can we say Facebook and Angry Birds?). With all browsers blocked except for IE, even browsing the web will be a regression. Microsoft is making a play for the people that want to sit and vegetate (play) at their desktop all day, while slapping people that do real computational work in the face. The only real issue to consider is if it will compile software faster or produce an edited video at a higher frame rate than a person with a previous version of Windows or an equivalent computer with Mac or Linux. The simple answer is "no". There is nothing in Windows 8 that will give it faster processing power or cause it to use less hardware resources than competitors or even it's own predecessors.
Hope that this piece of crap OS will be compatible to any application and games like XP,win 7 or it will be their downfall.
Why should they make it backwards compatible when they can try to force new software purchases. When I was beta testing Vista, I filed a bug that Microsoft Outlook 2000 would not work correctly. Their answer is that it is not supposed to. Their fix was for me to throw away the software that I paid a high price for and pay a high price to them again for a newer version. Aside from Outlook, there were several other purchased software packages that failed the Windows compatibility test. That's how the game is played. You pay $100 for an OS and then have to spend $1000 for compatible software.
It is a shame this revue on a desktop PC started with the Metro interface which is intended for mobile devices!
After booting up, a desktop PC user will only see the Metro interface once - when he logs on. Click on the desktop icon and Metro vanishes and won't be seen again! Win 8 then works and looks just like Win 7.
The only difference is the lack of a Start button in the lower left corner but so what? You need to press two keys instead of one. Big deal.
So PLEASE stop all this focussing on the Metro interface - it is putting people off when in fact it is irrelevant!
After booting up, a desktop PC user will only see the Metro interface once - when he logs on. Click on the desktop icon and Metro vanishes and won't be seen again! Win 8 then works and looks just like Win 7.
The only difference is the lack of a Start button in the lower left corner but so what? You need to press two keys instead of one. Big deal.
So PLEASE stop all this focussing on the Metro interface - it is putting people off when in fact it is irrelevant!
We agree that Metro is intended for mobile devices. Give me a way to turn it off on non-moblle devices. It isn't only seen once; it's seen every time a user starts an app.
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