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It is dead on arrival, and already GONE WITH THE WIND..........
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Extend 7 support like they did with XP because of Vista's low adoption?
Will they allow more GPO control over Metro?
Will Stardock become the defacto 8 interface?
Will they allow more GPO control over Metro?
Will Stardock become the defacto 8 interface?
I am the MIS Director at our company and I can assure you we will not be upgrading to Windows 8. I have been testing the Public Preview since it became available for download. When I use it, I can see the benefits of having it on a tablet but for desktop computing, forget it.
Sincerely,
William P. Mello
Sincerely,
William P. Mello
I like what microsoft is doing with win 8 (they have to keep up), but I don't think it's for the office. Remotely it may be as handy as droid and ipad. I might try it at home.
Have to agree. Seeing a lot of benefit if we deploy tablets with Win8 into the workplace. For general notebook and desktop units not so much.
Why force the Metro interface upon users as the *only* interface? Why not give users a choice?
From what I've seen, the Metro interface in the desktop environment looks cluttered and busy. I can see it working on a tablet, but not so much on a desktop.
I can bet a lot of people would want to get the benefits that Windows 8 can provide on a desktop without the Metro UI.
From what I've seen, the Metro interface in the desktop environment looks cluttered and busy. I can see it working on a tablet, but not so much on a desktop.
I can bet a lot of people would want to get the benefits that Windows 8 can provide on a desktop without the Metro UI.
With what little I have seen so far, Windows 8 sure looks like Windows 3.11 and AOL of old.
My main machine is a Laptop and most of my navigation is from the Trackpad and Shortcut Keystrokes. In the last 3 years have probably spent a total of less than 8 hours at a Desktop.
All the pinching and double tapping on the screen looks real painful to me, personally. This was a result of poor design of a prior employer's workstations that affected myself and many more. Workers Comp. covered the treatment and timeloss for us all. It also is continuing to supply me with machines on a regular basis, that do not aggravate my condition.
How about an article on the different many different medical problems that can develop, such as - Tendonitis's that can develop [de Quervain's Tendonitis for one], not to mention the old standby, Carpal Tunnel, Rotator Cuff problems, and how technology is not making things better for us.
Watching the slides, videos and reading the articles on 8, I cannot recall seeing anything on this subject.
So what new medical/physical problems will Windows 8 bring us?
My main machine is a Laptop and most of my navigation is from the Trackpad and Shortcut Keystrokes. In the last 3 years have probably spent a total of less than 8 hours at a Desktop.
All the pinching and double tapping on the screen looks real painful to me, personally. This was a result of poor design of a prior employer's workstations that affected myself and many more. Workers Comp. covered the treatment and timeloss for us all. It also is continuing to supply me with machines on a regular basis, that do not aggravate my condition.
How about an article on the different many different medical problems that can develop, such as - Tendonitis's that can develop [de Quervain's Tendonitis for one], not to mention the old standby, Carpal Tunnel, Rotator Cuff problems, and how technology is not making things better for us.
Watching the slides, videos and reading the articles on 8, I cannot recall seeing anything on this subject.
So what new medical/physical problems will Windows 8 bring us?
I have been putting off buying a tablet until I can see what MS 8 tablets will provide. I have a huge amount of technical documents that I have developed for my industry. The vast majority of these are in MS Office format (along with some PDF documents as well). I want to be able to access these from any device (desktop, tablet, phone, browser) to view and/or edit them. I am looking into putting them in a cloud like skydrive so that synchronization among my devices is automatic. I would like everything to be available from anywhere.
I would like to see a comparison of Windows 8 vs Google and Apple as it relates to the following topics:
hardware
cloud offerings
app stores
How well the eco-system is integrated (e.g. gmail, google apps, google search, android OS ...)
Security
I won't just be choosing a tablet, I will be committing to an entire eco-system to allow me to work smarter and more efficiently.
I would like to see a comparison of Windows 8 vs Google and Apple as it relates to the following topics:
hardware
cloud offerings
app stores
How well the eco-system is integrated (e.g. gmail, google apps, google search, android OS ...)
Security
I won't just be choosing a tablet, I will be committing to an entire eco-system to allow me to work smarter and more efficiently.
I would like to see a review of MS8 tablet as a reader when compared to the Ipad2/3 and android tablets. Ipad2/3 seems like a perfect device for reading (mostly tech documents) but I heard that the choice of aspect ratio for the Android tablet makes reading books awkward.
The aspect ratio on Android is fine. I have both a Dell Streak 5 and an Asus TF101 and I regularly read e-books, comics, websites and PDFs of many kinds on them with no problems.
Don't go with what you hear (about Android, iPad or what-have-you). Go to your local retailer and try out a device for yourself. Most of the display units are actually hooked up to the web these days and it's simple to use WiFi, bluetooth or the web to get a document to the test device so you can make your own judgments.
The Internet is so full of fanboyism (even on professional sites) it's increasingly more difficult to pick the articles to trust and those to take with a pinch of salt. Nothing beats your own experience because what works for a reviewer may not work for you (and vice-versa).
Don't go with what you hear (about Android, iPad or what-have-you). Go to your local retailer and try out a device for yourself. Most of the display units are actually hooked up to the web these days and it's simple to use WiFi, bluetooth or the web to get a document to the test device so you can make your own judgments.
The Internet is so full of fanboyism (even on professional sites) it's increasingly more difficult to pick the articles to trust and those to take with a pinch of salt. Nothing beats your own experience because what works for a reviewer may not work for you (and vice-versa).
....that nobody has named any TR staff writers for fanboy tendencies. Seems every time certain writers put up an article the entire community here use their likes as a reason to decry their articles as biased.
You're absolutely right though - blogs and forums and other similar arenas for discussion are always full of opinion rather than objectivity. That's OK to a degree, as long as readers are aware of an author's preferences and you aren't looking for an objective review of something.
For instance, I dislike Apple products on a personal level even though they're stylish and tend to work well and will prefer the freedom on Android despite it's foibles and lack of app quality control. I couldn't objectively review the iPad3 because I love my TF101 too much. I don't mind admitting that and wouldn't dare write that review
You're absolutely right though - blogs and forums and other similar arenas for discussion are always full of opinion rather than objectivity. That's OK to a degree, as long as readers are aware of an author's preferences and you aren't looking for an objective review of something.
For instance, I dislike Apple products on a personal level even though they're stylish and tend to work well and will prefer the freedom on Android despite it's foibles and lack of app quality control. I couldn't objectively review the iPad3 because I love my TF101 too much. I don't mind admitting that and wouldn't dare write that review
Big Q: What will they change or is there an easier way to access control I access in 7 from the Start Menu (Restrat, Hibernate, Shutdown, Lock, etc...)? the current method is neither intuitive for users now simple. Leaving on is not an option as we are on a "Limit Vampire Sipping" energy process wherever possible.
Biggest issue I find is if i treat Metro like I am using a tablet and Desktop like my notebook then for the most part it seems to work and work well. What I don't understand is why force both if you really have no need for it?
Been testing on an ASUS UL w/ SSD.
Biggest issue I find is if i treat Metro like I am using a tablet and Desktop like my notebook then for the most part it seems to work and work well. What I don't understand is why force both if you really have no need for it?
Been testing on an ASUS UL w/ SSD.
"Big Q: What will they change or is there an easier way to access control I access in 7 from the Start Menu (Restart, Hibernate, Shutdown, Lock, etc...)?"
Make tiles.
Restart = Shutdown.exe -r -t 00
Shutdown = Shutdown.exe -s -t 00
Lock = Rundll32.exe User32.dll,LockWorkStation
Of course pressing the Windows + L is the fastest way to lock the desktop.
Make tiles.
Restart = Shutdown.exe -r -t 00
Shutdown = Shutdown.exe -s -t 00
Lock = Rundll32.exe User32.dll,LockWorkStation
Of course pressing the Windows + L is the fastest way to lock the desktop.
I have an established customer base that consists now of mostly 40 and up in the age group, with some customers going back 10 years. Most I had to teach how to migrate to XP from Win2K and set thier computers up to look like 2000 before they would upgrade. Most, have refused or asked me to kick their systems back to XP from Vista and are only now moving into Win 7 and I mean "ever so slowly". After looking over the Preview of Wn 8, I have to say i won't be installing it as an upgrade for any of my customers. As with Millennium and Vista when I had customers that wanted more computer they just had me switch out the MoBo and CPU rather than contemplate those new op systems. If this version starts shipping with new computers my customer base will just upgrade the box with new equipment and keep the old op system. Those that have migrated to Win 7 for the most part are quite happy and when I mention the new Win 8 in the shop I get one of those over the eyeglass looks that say are you nuts or are you trying to send me to a new shop. I know that Microsoft is trying to grab a larger market share to include the tablet and smart phone and a lot of my base will generally get exposed to 8 at work or through work related activities it's my guess that for the most part 8 will initially be relegated to a "Younger" clientele that needs to have access from every electronic source that they may have available to them. I will admit that most of my business is residential but I do have about 20% in business environments and those IT managers have said that 8 will never work in their workplace as mostly they use laptops and desktops for their employees and they don't see an advantage. Those that need to communicate through the tablet and smartphone already have a working platform in 7 and the supplied apps from the mobile devices. I may be over conservative in my thinking but if the releases of Millennium and Vista have taught me anything it is that new is not necessarily something that my client base will jump at.
I'm in the same boat slomover and here is what I want from Microsoft so I won't waste thousands of hours and lots of money with Windows 8.
I want a package, a process, procedures, step-by-step instructions ... something complete and detailed that I can use to make Windows 8 look and work "EXACTLY" like what my current users have ... XP, Vista, Windows 7. Once they are comfortable using their systems, then and only then can we begin to explore and use what Windows 8 has to offer. My customers have to get real work done and don't have time for the retraining nonsense and frustrations that have accompanied all previous upgrades to Microsoft OSs.
I want a package, a process, procedures, step-by-step instructions ... something complete and detailed that I can use to make Windows 8 look and work "EXACTLY" like what my current users have ... XP, Vista, Windows 7. Once they are comfortable using their systems, then and only then can we begin to explore and use what Windows 8 has to offer. My customers have to get real work done and don't have time for the retraining nonsense and frustrations that have accompanied all previous upgrades to Microsoft OSs.
Isn't the metro UI optional, or at least be disabled? then it's not too different from 7... But I agree that people who are not keen to see their PC interface change will find it frustrating. On the other hand you can't just stay behind on technology, and I think more people, including older people are realising that more and more.
Software is not technology. I agree that an OS may need to be upgraded to make full use of technological advances such as USB 3, Thunderbolt, tablets & smart phones, but that does not, repeat not, necessitate a change in the user interface. My current smartphone has icons very similar to desktop icons and I have no trouble using them so why go for large tiles - are we planning on reducing the level of skill needed to guide a finger to an icon? In my opinion, Metro is exactly the wrong way; it's dumbing down the user interface, which is the last thing those of us who use computers for productive work need.
We need the UI change, so that touch becomes seriously usable--and on more than mobile devices.
The Metro tiles are not just bigger icons. They are interactive "screens" that provide information without the user having to touch/click. When used well, they can help make the experience much more efficient. I've been working on a metro app that shows administrators alerts from our SharePoint system and the tile will display critical alerts so the user doesn't have to touch anything to see them.
What I see people forgetting is that the Metro interface is alive. It's interactive and informative. Not just a screen of "dumb" icons that just sit there. The Metro apps are fairly easy to write and you can create a very immersive experience with them.
I use W8 on a HP TX2 touch tablet convertible, a Dell T7400 workstation, and a custom built desktop at home. In all cases I'm finding that the experience is better than my W7 boxes. It just takes some time.
MS needs to kick up the education several notches. They have an opportunity to change how we use computers for the better. Apple did it with the iPad, now it's MS's turn.
What I see people forgetting is that the Metro interface is alive. It's interactive and informative. Not just a screen of "dumb" icons that just sit there. The Metro apps are fairly easy to write and you can create a very immersive experience with them.
I use W8 on a HP TX2 touch tablet convertible, a Dell T7400 workstation, and a custom built desktop at home. In all cases I'm finding that the experience is better than my W7 boxes. It just takes some time.
MS needs to kick up the education several notches. They have an opportunity to change how we use computers for the better. Apple did it with the iPad, now it's MS's turn.
Like you say, widgets can be very useful to provide a quick information glance and/or interactions to the user.
When I look at my desktop I see:
- nagios monitoring;
- security warnings (port scanning and ssh brute force attacks are a constant);
- to do lists;
- calendar;
- appointments;
- weather;
- contacts state;
- notes;
- feeds viewer;
- and a clock.
A quick glance at my desktop and I can obtain a wealth of information and even act on it (e.g. add notes, start a conversation, view details about a monitoring warning, create a to do entry or mark on as completed, change the weather :D)
Still, I'm don't like the way Microsoft implements them. I find the layout too rigid and the widgets sizes too small. (Also ugly but that is a personal taste.)
Regards.
When I look at my desktop I see:
- nagios monitoring;
- security warnings (port scanning and ssh brute force attacks are a constant);
- to do lists;
- calendar;
- appointments;
- weather;
- contacts state;
- notes;
- feeds viewer;
- and a clock.
A quick glance at my desktop and I can obtain a wealth of information and even act on it (e.g. add notes, start a conversation, view details about a monitoring warning, create a to do entry or mark on as completed, change the weather :D)
Still, I'm don't like the way Microsoft implements them. I find the layout too rigid and the widgets sizes too small. (Also ugly but that is a personal taste.)
Regards.
I don't know about you, but I don't just sit there and stare at my PC wallpaper (Metro) waiting for status updates. I have an application, or multiple applications open and filling my entire desktop 99.99999% of the time. Why would I want power sapping dumb tiles sitting behind my applications chewing up bandwidth, RAM and CPU when I will never look at them? To me, Metro is in every measurable way a massive step down from Win7
I have a laptop with W8 on it and connected an external monitor to it. When I did, the Metro interface was only on the laptop. The monitor had the desktop.
It was very easy to navigate between the two and I found that using the Windows key was a simple way to show/hide the start screen. Just like the start menu.
Also, applications running in Metro do not "sap" power. Any app not on the screen is in stasis. This is to preserve power. Check it out by opening the task manager.
Also Metro apps are nice. They are clean, very fast, and easy to use. Yes, most of my work is in Office and other non-metro apps, but some, like mail, calendar, and contacts are just better in metro than in Outlook (except for certain functions, which are not regularly used by me)
The more I work in W8, the more I find myself liking the duality of the interface.
Give it an honest try. You might be surprised.
It was very easy to navigate between the two and I found that using the Windows key was a simple way to show/hide the start screen. Just like the start menu.
Also, applications running in Metro do not "sap" power. Any app not on the screen is in stasis. This is to preserve power. Check it out by opening the task manager.
Also Metro apps are nice. They are clean, very fast, and easy to use. Yes, most of my work is in Office and other non-metro apps, but some, like mail, calendar, and contacts are just better in metro than in Outlook (except for certain functions, which are not regularly used by me)
The more I work in W8, the more I find myself liking the duality of the interface.
Give it an honest try. You might be surprised.
The simplicity of the Metro calendar and mail apps are a welcome addition. Sometimes you just want to read and reply to email and see your daily calendar without all of the bells and whistles.
Dual monitors also help tremendously. I can't imagine working in IT with just a single monitor.
Dual monitors also help tremendously. I can't imagine working in IT with just a single monitor.
Say I was running a business with 30 PC's, all on Windows 7. Win 7 has been brilliant, there are very few issues running it. With this in mind, what would be the benefit for a business to spend $x on Windows 8 considering everything works perfectly in a Win 7 environment?
As rhonin has mentioned above, unless deployment of tablets is involved (and it's hardly a top priority for a SMB) I just don't think a good case can be made for Win 8 this stage.
As rhonin has mentioned above, unless deployment of tablets is involved (and it's hardly a top priority for a SMB) I just don't think a good case can be made for Win 8 this stage.
This is the same argument with each release upgrade. Is it worth it. Almost always a no for 2-3 years after release, when the old platform is sunsetting and it is time to refresh desktops for over 70% of your staff. That is when most of us do it. Windows 8 not any different, except for many features it introduces that 7 and XP don't have, especially if you are using Win tablets and Win 7 or 8 phones. More reasons to upgrade to 8 then on the desktop. We are testing the last Win 8 release and having no issues...in fact the IT guru's seem to like it.
Windows XP was a hit, Windows Vista a miss, Win7 a hit, and now Win8 will be a ?? IMHO Microsoft just took the wrong chances at the exact wrong time. Win8 isn't just another OS but is the 'Swiss Army Knife' of OSs wanting to be all things to all people. I want to know what's under the hood of W8. What base code did they start with? They didn't write all new code did they? No, not likely, want to bet that it's Win7 framework with only patches to nit new features to the old frame? Don't get me wrong that is a perfectly viable way to do things but I believe in a strong alpha and beta testing cycles not just some software stress testing machines for a few months. MS has released another OS too soon not giving Win7 a chance to live up to being the replacement of WinXP in the business marketplace. This will not end well for Win8.
Same pattern, 2000 +1 ME -1 XP +1Vista -1, 7 +1....as bad as Star Trek movies.
At the Windows 7 launch time, Russinovich disclosed that MS wants to (finally) make a kernel. That was almost done for Windows 7 and is obviously done for Windows 8. Having fixed the architecture, they could be a very successful Swiss Army Knife. What they have done with that capability is another story.
Whenever I care to comment on Windows 8, I have some variation of the idea that MS have taken a very scientific approach to Windows 8 creation and it failed them. Now I have an idea why that happened.
A working scientific approach is not only accurate and formal data processing, it is also peer review, free discussion, and high mathematical culture. The former two are not to be expected from a hierarchically built corporation, and the latter directly contradicts the modern idea of maximizing profits by optimizing quality.
Whenever I care to comment on Windows 8, I have some variation of the idea that MS have taken a very scientific approach to Windows 8 creation and it failed them. Now I have an idea why that happened.
A working scientific approach is not only accurate and formal data processing, it is also peer review, free discussion, and high mathematical culture. The former two are not to be expected from a hierarchically built corporation, and the latter directly contradicts the modern idea of maximizing profits by optimizing quality.
I guess a Vista miss was intentional so as to give a opportunity to the next OS release to not only be a hit but massive. How'ver I believe they have not give Win7 a chance 2 completely replace WinXP, something MS very well knows thus it keeps me wondering what they are up to now. What ever it, it must be surely working in the their favour.
Why do people look for patterns like this? just because Vista, ME, Bob, Sucked, doesn't mean the W8 will. How was Windows 1, 2, 3.1, 3.11? Should we add those to the pattern? No? Because they would break the nice 1 0 1 pattern that people like.
Stop the historical patterns. Lets look at something else entirely for the comparison, not version numbers.
XP was a huge hit because they changes the UI and the architecture. Vista sucked because they changes some in the UI but mostly in the architecture. The UI changes were good. The other changes weren't. Then they changed again for W7. A little in the UI, and many fixes in the architecture. Basically W7 is a "fixed" version of Vista. Now they are making another change to UI. Remember, they've always been successful in changing the UI. But what we should be nervous about are the architecture changes. What does WinRT mean for us? What changes are they making in the back end that will effect how I work or what apps I use?
That is the issue. Not version number patterns.
Stop the historical patterns. Lets look at something else entirely for the comparison, not version numbers.
XP was a huge hit because they changes the UI and the architecture. Vista sucked because they changes some in the UI but mostly in the architecture. The UI changes were good. The other changes weren't. Then they changed again for W7. A little in the UI, and many fixes in the architecture. Basically W7 is a "fixed" version of Vista. Now they are making another change to UI. Remember, they've always been successful in changing the UI. But what we should be nervous about are the architecture changes. What does WinRT mean for us? What changes are they making in the back end that will effect how I work or what apps I use?
That is the issue. Not version number patterns.
People whine about microscopic changes, then productivity tanks. The changes in Windows 8 are out of the ballpark, so it will NEVER get adopted in ALL of the companies I have dealt with.
Guaranteed. No more discussion.
Microsoft really blew this one.
Guaranteed. No more discussion.
Microsoft really blew this one.
I agree with many posters - win 8 is just another Vista.
Let's go a bit further back ..... Vista was a looser, Windows ME was a looser (we went back to NT4 because it was so buggy). I can't understand for the life of me why MS doesn't look at the outside world as a real place. There is no room in the world outside MS for Win8. It will flop and the smart among us will stay on Win7(or even XP would be better! )
If as a Desktop Engineer, I threw Win8 at the average file clerk and said "go for it", I would be looking for a new job. ANYONE who is computer challenged will fight this interface tooth and nail...... There is no place in the office for this product.....period.
Let's go a bit further back ..... Vista was a looser, Windows ME was a looser (we went back to NT4 because it was so buggy). I can't understand for the life of me why MS doesn't look at the outside world as a real place. There is no room in the world outside MS for Win8. It will flop and the smart among us will stay on Win7(or even XP would be better! )
If as a Desktop Engineer, I threw Win8 at the average file clerk and said "go for it", I would be looking for a new job. ANYONE who is computer challenged will fight this interface tooth and nail...... There is no place in the office for this product.....period.
This looks great on Tablets but for Desktop i think it will not. This will be like a flop in desktop os, but for the tablets or smart phones i think this will be a hit vs. counterparts like IOS and Android.
Gee, I was soooo happy when win7 came out! With win7 I could, hmmm, let me think.... oh yeah, run IE9. Other than that, my three machine that are double and tripple booted with win7 get zero win7 run time unless I need to... you got it, test wtih IE9. And there is Karma: Now IE is only 30-40% of the market. Think AOL for a trajectory comparision. What will Win8 do that XP didn't? Ruin IE10? Who cares?
Microsoft has a long history of not caring about what customers want. They are essentailly a "me too" comopany: IPod, Zoom, Google, Msn, Netscape, IE3, etc.. Will undoubedly get sucked into at lease looking at it but it is utterly useless to me.
Maybe the business should wake up and smell the coffee. Advanced companies should never use Micorsoft since they can do all they need with open source software. If you have to have an IT department then there is no case of continuing with MS. If you company with no IT department, maybe you are stuck with second best as open source documentation leaves a lot to be desired, and there are fewer techs who know Linux/Unix/BSD than know MS. On the other hand, most open source techs know MS.
Microsoft has a long history of not caring about what customers want. They are essentailly a "me too" comopany: IPod, Zoom, Google, Msn, Netscape, IE3, etc.. Will undoubedly get sucked into at lease looking at it but it is utterly useless to me.
Maybe the business should wake up and smell the coffee. Advanced companies should never use Micorsoft since they can do all they need with open source software. If you have to have an IT department then there is no case of continuing with MS. If you company with no IT department, maybe you are stuck with second best as open source documentation leaves a lot to be desired, and there are fewer techs who know Linux/Unix/BSD than know MS. On the other hand, most open source techs know MS.
Of our 20K + machines, it might be useful on 500 max.
I can see no advantage over Win7, and most of reasons why would we adopt it are weak.
Common user experience across devices? We use Blackberry phones! Windows to go? Usefull to max 500 users. Push button reset? Might be handy... Faster boot time? We already konw it boots too fast on some devices... New login options? Via picture and gesture? Lol. Nothing is wrong with passwords. 3G/4G? Fine... but not on desktop. Or even on most laptops. We have own connection app.
(see: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/tech-manager/five-reasons-businesses-should-adopt-windows-8/7515?tag=content;siu-container)
People: Fail - forbidden. Facebook, Twitter, Windows Live, IM clients are forbidden, we have some work to do. Remote desktop: Handy, but we have other ways... The Tower: useless. We're in Europe! YouCam - potentially useful. SigFig: useless. We're in Europe! (see: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/five-apps/five-favorite-windows-8-preview-apps/1322?tag=content;siu-container)
AppStore? FORBIDDEN! We have central distribution of applications to users who really need them. And I don't see AutoDesk products soon in AppStore. We do need AutoCAD...
I can see no advantage over Win7, and most of reasons why would we adopt it are weak.
Common user experience across devices? We use Blackberry phones! Windows to go? Usefull to max 500 users. Push button reset? Might be handy... Faster boot time? We already konw it boots too fast on some devices... New login options? Via picture and gesture? Lol. Nothing is wrong with passwords. 3G/4G? Fine... but not on desktop. Or even on most laptops. We have own connection app.
(see: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/tech-manager/five-reasons-businesses-should-adopt-windows-8/7515?tag=content;siu-container)
People: Fail - forbidden. Facebook, Twitter, Windows Live, IM clients are forbidden, we have some work to do. Remote desktop: Handy, but we have other ways... The Tower: useless. We're in Europe! YouCam - potentially useful. SigFig: useless. We're in Europe! (see: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/five-apps/five-favorite-windows-8-preview-apps/1322?tag=content;siu-container)
AppStore? FORBIDDEN! We have central distribution of applications to users who really need them. And I don't see AutoDesk products soon in AppStore. We do need AutoCAD...
Is Microsoft trying to sell pears as Apples, it sure looks it that way....
If, and I say with a BIG IF, they can convince the Windows Users that it will work flawleslly, maybe, and not to forget, Office included, at a reasonable price, a bit lower that the Apples, then people will adopt it, otherwise, they are in BIG BIG trouble.....
If, and I say with a BIG IF, they can convince the Windows Users that it will work flawleslly, maybe, and not to forget, Office included, at a reasonable price, a bit lower that the Apples, then people will adopt it, otherwise, they are in BIG BIG trouble.....
I have found the Release preview to be a much better version than the Consumer Preview.
I am running it on a desktop PC without the advantage of a touch screen for which it has been designed, which brings me to my main bone of contention, the missing start button.
Actually, it's not the start button that is the problem, it is the way in which one one is forced to navigate to an application which is the the problem.
Now, I can understand at having a swipe solution on a keyboard-less, mouse-less single handed device such as a cell phone, but it really doesn't cut on a device which has mouse and keyboard available. Having to drag the screen to the right in order to find the required icon is unacceptable. Yes, I am aware that the mouse wheel can assist in scrolling the screen, but while that is a bit easier, it equally is not acceptable.
I am also aware that I can pin various icons to the task bar, but am I really to understand that this is a suggested mode of operation?
I am at a total loss as to understand why the Windows 8 team has such a blind aversion to the use of a drop-down menu! This shortcoming is creating a lot of totally unnecessary negativity around Windows 8, a negativity which could drive this product down the same path as Vista.
Please Microsoft do not be so coercive, if Metro is indeed the best desktop solution, the majority of users will migrate there naturally.
The use of blind force is unnecessary and stupid and it really isn't worth betting the house on it.
I am running it on a desktop PC without the advantage of a touch screen for which it has been designed, which brings me to my main bone of contention, the missing start button.
Actually, it's not the start button that is the problem, it is the way in which one one is forced to navigate to an application which is the the problem.
Now, I can understand at having a swipe solution on a keyboard-less, mouse-less single handed device such as a cell phone, but it really doesn't cut on a device which has mouse and keyboard available. Having to drag the screen to the right in order to find the required icon is unacceptable. Yes, I am aware that the mouse wheel can assist in scrolling the screen, but while that is a bit easier, it equally is not acceptable.
I am also aware that I can pin various icons to the task bar, but am I really to understand that this is a suggested mode of operation?
I am at a total loss as to understand why the Windows 8 team has such a blind aversion to the use of a drop-down menu! This shortcoming is creating a lot of totally unnecessary negativity around Windows 8, a negativity which could drive this product down the same path as Vista.
Please Microsoft do not be so coercive, if Metro is indeed the best desktop solution, the majority of users will migrate there naturally.
The use of blind force is unnecessary and stupid and it really isn't worth betting the house on it.
To me the reason Vista died was because it was so bloated, it made hardware nigh un-usable. Win 7 fixed that, but I believe Windows 8 improves on it quite a bit... I'm running Windows 8 in a VM, and I gave it a single core, and half a gig of ram, and it runs very smoothly. The operating system should not be the elephant in the room taking up most of the resources on a computer.
You are correct though, Windows 8 will be difficult to adopt by a great many people because of its vastly different user interface.
You are correct though, Windows 8 will be difficult to adopt by a great many people because of its vastly different user interface.
Win 8 functionality is very good but it would be very nice if they can improve the standard apps tiles design/color/background (i.e. Mail, Messaging, Store, ) and not just limited to primary color.
Win 7 was a marked improvement over the dismal Vista - and now 8 switches gears completely, assumes everyone is smartphone savvy, and the list goes on and on and on.
Switching to Mac OS X and will stay with that - works far better than windows, can run Win in dual-boot if needed (now a rare ocassion) and the list goes on...
M$ was caught trying to be the end all be all - and lost focus at a critical time.
Time will tell - but many folks won't "buy it"
Switching to Mac OS X and will stay with that - works far better than windows, can run Win in dual-boot if needed (now a rare ocassion) and the list goes on...
M$ was caught trying to be the end all be all - and lost focus at a critical time.
Time will tell - but many folks won't "buy it"
The question for which I have not seen any logical or compelling answer is: Why is Microsoft forcing the tablet interface?
Most users control desktop PCs with a mouse and a keyboard, whereas they control tablets with finger tips. Those are very different input devices, with wildly different degrees of precision, and they require different interfaces.
So why in the world is Microsoft forcing a finger tip interface on desktop users?
Unifying the PC and tablet OSs cannot be the answer, because a simple toggle could allow users to enable/disable the tablet features. Instead, Microsoft reportedly is aggressively working to block third-party utilities from going directly to the desktop and from re-implementing the Start button.
To this user, Microsoft's approach to the interface for Win8 is so pigheaded and user-unfriendly as to be incomprehensible.
Most users control desktop PCs with a mouse and a keyboard, whereas they control tablets with finger tips. Those are very different input devices, with wildly different degrees of precision, and they require different interfaces.
So why in the world is Microsoft forcing a finger tip interface on desktop users?
Unifying the PC and tablet OSs cannot be the answer, because a simple toggle could allow users to enable/disable the tablet features. Instead, Microsoft reportedly is aggressively working to block third-party utilities from going directly to the desktop and from re-implementing the Start button.
To this user, Microsoft's approach to the interface for Win8 is so pigheaded and user-unfriendly as to be incomprehensible.
Its all about the money. They want to force all users into the Metro environment so they can sell you more junk software through the app store. If you boot to the desktop and have a start button, there is no use for Metro, thus one less sucker to draw into the store.
I have used Microsoft OS's since Windows 3.1, but I absolutely hate where they are going with Windows 8 and Metro. My Dell Studio Win7 laptop is now a dual-boot machine with Kubuntu 12.04. I love Win7, but Microsoft has sufficiently P*ssed me off with Metro that I've decided to divorce her ugly A$$. Kubuntu gives me what I want, when I want it and I don't have to pay her or talk to her afterwards.
I have used Microsoft OS's since Windows 3.1, but I absolutely hate where they are going with Windows 8 and Metro. My Dell Studio Win7 laptop is now a dual-boot machine with Kubuntu 12.04. I love Win7, but Microsoft has sufficiently P*ssed me off with Metro that I've decided to divorce her ugly A$$. Kubuntu gives me what I want, when I want it and I don't have to pay her or talk to her afterwards.
You may be right.
As 'Deep Throat' taught us, follow the money. But I am skeptical that the increased revenue from Metro apps will offset the decreased revenue resulting from lower sales of the highly-profitable MS Office.
We may be about to witness the birth of Vista 2.0.
As 'Deep Throat' taught us, follow the money. But I am skeptical that the increased revenue from Metro apps will offset the decreased revenue resulting from lower sales of the highly-profitable MS Office.
We may be about to witness the birth of Vista 2.0.
Office won't be bundled with Windows 8. A basic version will be included with Windows RT (ARM based tablets) because you cannot use the full Office, which will be a legacy app in Windows 8. The next version of Office is getting some Metro-like elements, but it will still be a "legacy" app.
MS cannot kill Office, it is nearly as big a cash cow as Windows.
MS cannot kill Office, it is nearly as big a cash cow as Windows.
I had never thought of it like that before!
Microsoft and Apple are moving towards an "app store" environment on the desktop.
I think you are spot on!
Microsoft and Apple are moving towards an "app store" environment on the desktop.
I think you are spot on!
After my first day with the release preview; not as bad as expected but I do see the issues people are having.
Alt-tab works fine if you keep the applications within the legacy desktop environment but you'll be doing gymnastics to flip back and forth between a legacy app and Metro version of IE.
Managing settings seems to be designed by a monkey with sever brain injury. Video resolution affects the entire OS so why do I have to go Metro -> Desktop -> (right-click) Properties -> Resolution to change it? Why are the same complete settings list not accessible by both the Metro PC Settings and a legacy desktop Control Panel?
On the up side, this is the best time for Microsoft to release a stepping stone version. Win7 won't be going anywhere for a long time so win8 can be a misserable failure and they'll simply ride win7 into a win9 release designed with some sanity.
Alt-tab works fine if you keep the applications within the legacy desktop environment but you'll be doing gymnastics to flip back and forth between a legacy app and Metro version of IE.
Managing settings seems to be designed by a monkey with sever brain injury. Video resolution affects the entire OS so why do I have to go Metro -> Desktop -> (right-click) Properties -> Resolution to change it? Why are the same complete settings list not accessible by both the Metro PC Settings and a legacy desktop Control Panel?
On the up side, this is the best time for Microsoft to release a stepping stone version. Win7 won't be going anywhere for a long time so win8 can be a misserable failure and they'll simply ride win7 into a win9 release designed with some sanity.
Nothing in Win 8 - any version previewed thus far, has any application in business.. and I believe I know why.
Businesses need some areas to NOT CHANGE on a day-to-day routine, such as core systems, terminals and the like - DO NOT!
M$ must think this change would force an overahaul for any business + training... just because "we're Microsoft"
That ain't necessarily so since W7 works just fine (TYVM), especially with many companies
still coming out of recession and rebuilding - the LAST item on the agenda will be buying all new shiny terminals and teaching people how to use their hands to do daily work
Poorly timed
Businesses need some areas to NOT CHANGE on a day-to-day routine, such as core systems, terminals and the like - DO NOT!
M$ must think this change would force an overahaul for any business + training... just because "we're Microsoft"
That ain't necessarily so since W7 works just fine (TYVM), especially with many companies
still coming out of recession and rebuilding - the LAST item on the agenda will be buying all new shiny terminals and teaching people how to use their hands to do daily work
Poorly timed
Really the discussion ought to be more about M$ being behind the 8 ball for so long (since XP really).. and not coalescing all DEV for all devices similar to Apple....
Just look at the mess they've created as well as animosity (people HATE upgrading their OS every 2-3 years) many users have now.
No wonder the PC is dying - as MS is slaying it quite nicely by offering products that are still years behind in many regards
Just look at the mess they've created as well as animosity (people HATE upgrading their OS every 2-3 years) many users have now.
No wonder the PC is dying - as MS is slaying it quite nicely by offering products that are still years behind in many regards
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