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        <title><![CDATA[Again ...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[If you read the entry before mine, cybershooters said they hadn't seen an upgrade path yet. All I did was explain the upgrade path. What you are implying with Certs R Us, I have no idea. Should you not wish for people to try and help others, keep carrying on with those kind of comments. Sooner or later, people won't feel like helping as they always keep having to explain themselves to others.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[tony@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 10:23:20 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Are the other certs worth it?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I kind of understand the whole MCSE and MCITP problem, but as someone who intends to do MCTs and the MCITP-EA and maybe upgrade to the MCSE 2012 if necessary, in order to hold a position as a Network/System Admin. and to be working with MS Server 2008 or 2012, does it make any sense going for the CCNA,CCNP, Cisco VoIP and the CCIE.I might not want to do all of them, but in a Microsoft environment would it be useful. Also, what about the Apple certs and VMware certs.-they are becoming poular. Would these additional qualifications be acutually useful as a Network admin. or would they allow me to be more marketable and maybe gain more higher jobs after gaining experience in all those fields.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[SanjivN]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 06:58:02 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Forget them both, what you really want]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[is this bridge. One careful owner and going cheap...See what the recruiter types are saying, theirs is the only opinion that matters...]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Hopkinson]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:08:07 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Helped who ?]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-392654-3678685]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[Certs R Us, Microsoft, reduced false positives for wordsearch numpties?]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Hopkinson]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:01:47 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Upgrade]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[There is an upgrade path for mcitp:ea to mcse 2012. You need the 70-413 + 70-414 and 70-417 Exams. Upgrade from MCSE 2003 to MCITP EA was also 3 Exams.As you are an MCITP EA you are also automatically an MCSA 2008 Private Cloud. If you do the 70-246 and 70-247 Exams you also have the MCSE 2008 Private Cloud.Hope to of helped]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[tony@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:24:49 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Is the MSCE better than the MCITP]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Was the old MSCE better than the MCITP in terms of prestige or advancement and is the new MCSE better than the MCITP, because I was planning to do the MCITP-EA since I thought that it was more advanced and replaced the MCSA/SE.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[SanjivN]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:29:04 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[agreed - and then some]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Some [large number of] years ago, I was a department head at a four-year university and got &quot;invited&quot; to a meeting with a vice president, a few deans, some other department heads, and some faculty members.  The topic was whether we should create a program for the MCSE--and I was &quot;invited&quot; to form a team to implement it.  Our team worked quite a while and had outlines for the courses to be submitted to add to the curriculum, along with a proposal for lab space and equipment.  Then one member read his morning Microsoft news and told us this certification was going to be toast before we would teach our first course, with no &quot;grandfathering&quot; or other accommodation--and no good information how or whether our current efforts would fit into the replacement.  We stared at each other for a few moments and I called to get us an appointment with our dean.  After we explained, he agreed that this would be such a moving target that it wouldn't be productive to pursue it and he'd take the news to the vice president.Yes, the academic process takes a lot of time and certainly has difficulty with fast-moving topics.  We know that.  But sometimes it's a blessing--we taxpayers (I'm one, too) are glad we hadn't equipped a lab or two, maybe hired new faculty for the program, and gotten into a semester when the bottom fell out.  I certainly wouldn't have wanted to be in front of the class Zynn was taking and have to make the announcement he heard.   A little more notice about the change would have been nice...]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[ed@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 04:52:12 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[That's my take]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I learn what I need to know to make sure I'm doing right by my employer.  If we're using 2003 Server, there's not much need to &quot;focus&quot; on 2012.  When we start moving services to 2008, there's an incentive to consider what changes will affect us, but no real reason to re-certify.  How much *really* changes?  So much that I need to dump thousands of dollars into classes, study time, and tests?  Not in my experience, no.Learning for the sake of learning is a whole other matter.  For that, I don't need a certification.  I learn because I have a hunger for knowledge, and an insatiable curiosity about how things work, or what's out there that could make my / our life easier or better.  There's no exam for that.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[nwallette]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:47:19 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[agreed]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I had just enrolled in my MCSE NT4.0 and 2 weeks into the $10,000 class they told us we were the last NT4.0 class.  We asked for our money back but instead they offered us a 'free upgrade' test at the end.  Coming into this fresh off the street with no user experience it was impossible to earn your MCSE and then upgrade to Win2000 with no classrooom support.  Heck our instructors who had been in the field for 20-30 years were all struggling to get their certs in time to teach.  The school should have let us drop out until the next semester to start with the newer cert.  Most in my class were paid for by their company, I  had taken out loans.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[zynn]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:10:05 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[My that's irritating]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[There are other ways to learn you know. Some of us make the decision to keep improving ourselves everyday. Not once per MS rebranding exercise...]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Hopkinson]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:14:05 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[No all the money is in courses so you]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[can become an expert in passing the exam...Then  you can definitely get a job. ]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Hopkinson]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:08:30 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Same Microsoft .....]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Not much is different; When the NT cert holders were told the NT MCSE would be cancelled, unless we upgraded to the Win 2000 MCSE....they showed their true nature. It hasn't changed.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[wtmillerjr@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:00:05 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Just feeding the Monkey.]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-392654-3678111]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[Come on gang. Do we all make so much money that we can afford to pay Microsoft every two to three years for the privilege of wearing a new cheap pin? Wise up! Certification is about the money stream, for the same reason Microsoft pushes out a new OS every three years whether it is ready or not. Let us stop kidding ourselves. Please.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[BilboRT]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:00:24 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Not much money in it]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The exams don't cost much to take, I wouldn't have thought Prometric make much money.It's more about Microsoft forcing their world view on us, and hoping that we then are stupid enough to regurgitate it out to other people, thereby making them money.Not this time.  Metro UI on Windows Server 2012 is stupid beyond words and the cloud is overrated.There aren't that many people who are MCITP qualified last time I checked, it was only in the low tens of thousands.  If we give them the finger they're stuffed.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[cybershooters]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:59:26 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[You don't fit into it]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Microsoft assumes you will be out of a job because everything is going to data centers in the cloud.  They want.  Ballmer is on record saying that developers are more important than system people because they won't be around in a few years time unless they're in a data center.But he's wrong, Microsoft has a world view for IT which is wholly unrealistic, because they're trying to leverage something (the internet) which isn't capable of doing what they want it to.  I wonder sometimes whether he has ever been to a hotel or an airport with an unreliable internet connection, let alone in parts of Europe or elsewhere where the internet is truly shaky.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[cybershooters]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:56:16 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Drinking the Cloud Kool Aid]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Speaking as someone who is an MCITP Enterprise Administrator, I think basically Microsoft is trying to enforce the &quot;cloud&quot; on people like me when the success of it is still very much up in the air.  The only upgrade track I've seen publicized so far is all about &quot;private cloud&quot; support.So far my clients have no interest in the thing, because they don't want their stuff in the cloud, they have internet connectivity issues, they don't really want employees using OTA connections because of the cost, they're worried the FBI could turn the thing off if someone starts sending/receiving kiddie porn, they're dissatisfied with the support they're getting because they're the lowest priority (whereas before someone either came in or remoted in to their network)  and so on.I have no doubt there will be penetration of cloud services but I'm not convinced it will be the standard way of doing things in the future.  Already seen all the large cellphone providers in the US stop their unlimited data plans, which has put a chill on cloud storage because now you have to pay to access your files.  I think it's all a bit premature.The three-year thing isn't about making money either, it's about forcing us all to subscribe to their view or lose our qualifications.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[cybershooters]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:52:45 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Many people have...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[It all comes down to where your priorities lie.Are your priorities to learn new skills or improve the ones you have?Or are they playing World of Warcraft, drinking beer with your mates in the pub or watching TV every night until you go to bed?If you make the conscious decision to improve yourself, whether that is by taking exams and gaining new certs or whatever else you feel enhances and improves your life, then you will find the time.And the exams aren't particularly expensive as long as you aren't unemployed. And even then, in the UK at least, you can get help with funding for the exams.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[lars@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:11:18 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[That's The Thing,,,]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[With the amount of exams and certs increased, from the look of it, they do seem to be aiming for the Enterprise IT Admin with two to three fellows, and everything paid for (and time given for study) by the company. I just looked at this yesterday. My last certs were MCP for Windows 98 and Networking Essentials and an A+. A fact driven home when I went for a job interview a few months back when I realized just HOW long ago they were. Despite my 20+ years experience, the last few years as a Systems Administrator (my 'official' title, although I'm more of a 'do everything' person for our entire company. It's more a 'Network Administrator', but it would be 'IT Manager' if I had someone other than myself to manage!) the hiring board just sort of 'turned off' after that.I just looked at this yesterday, and was confused as anything. Like the article says, where does someone like ME fit into all of this? Their 'Cloud' offerings? You can bet they're biased heavily towards Office 365 and their other offerings. I'll also need to pay for these, and find the time, myself. The last time I brought training up with the management, the response was, &quot;Why? You can do anything we give to you to do!&quot;Guess, I'll start looking at CompTIA and elsewhere. Microsoft has lost the greater part of my interest...]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[info@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:30:29 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[i have]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I have done my MCSA 2003 and MCITP EA certification. All paid for by my boss. And i will also do the MCSE for the server and client at least.I will cost me some time but it is worth it.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[meaglin]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:44:02 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Pointless]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Who on earth has time to firstly study and then take all the exams for each new version of Microsoft's software?? Let alone afford the cost of it... I think people tend to do the exams in order to find a job and then don't do it again...]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[colinofski]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:27:11 -0700</pubDate>
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