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from an iPad or an Android? You can scan from said MFP directly to an iPad or Android? You can install Xerox, Lanier, Sharp, Samsung, Brother, etc drivers on an iPad or Android and have full function of said printers. You can run Outlook 2010 (heck, I have the full Office Pro Plus 2010 suite of programs installed on the W500) on an iPad or Android? And while Outlook is running and my remote laptop files and network drives are available, I'm also Remote Desktopped into the main server at the local client office. And I can run the County Bd of Developmental Disability software. Can an iPad or Android do all of that?
Do you now? According to Microsoft themselves:
Microsoft Office Mobile 2010 is not included in Office 2010 applications, suites, or Office Web Apps. Office Mobile must be installed on the device to make edits with Web Apps. Supported mobile viewers for Office Web Apps include Internet Explorer on Windows Mobile 5 or later, Safari 4 on iPhone 3g or later, BlackBerry 4.x, Nokia S60, NetFront 3.4 or later, Opera Mobile 8.65, and Openwave 6.2 or later.
It appears that even the iPad can use Office Pro Plus the same way--by synching through a web browser to your desktop. Not very efficient.
Wireless printers don't necessarily need the mobile device to have a whole crowd of drivers, which kills even the beginning of your rebuttal. Microsoft themselves refuted the second part and as we already know, pretty much any tablet can remote into a desktop machine--some more easily than others.
I'm not denigrating the W500, I'm just pointing out how much the others can do that you seem unaware of.
Microsoft Office Mobile 2010 is not included in Office 2010 applications, suites, or Office Web Apps. Office Mobile must be installed on the device to make edits with Web Apps. Supported mobile viewers for Office Web Apps include Internet Explorer on Windows Mobile 5 or later, Safari 4 on iPhone 3g or later, BlackBerry 4.x, Nokia S60, NetFront 3.4 or later, Opera Mobile 8.65, and Openwave 6.2 or later.
It appears that even the iPad can use Office Pro Plus the same way--by synching through a web browser to your desktop. Not very efficient.
Wireless printers don't necessarily need the mobile device to have a whole crowd of drivers, which kills even the beginning of your rebuttal. Microsoft themselves refuted the second part and as we already know, pretty much any tablet can remote into a desktop machine--some more easily than others.
I'm not denigrating the W500, I'm just pointing out how much the others can do that you seem unaware of.
When I can install the full suite on the W500 and on the Surface 8 Pro.
I can remote in to my desktop from my tablet using software that comes built-in. No add-ons.
I researched the iPad and the original Galaxy Tab. I came really close to purchasing one. One of my clients does in-house software development and was looking for a tablet that would run our Silverlight/WPF front end to our MS SQL Server based LOB software we are developing to replace the current dBase/Clipper/DOS system. We got the W500 with W7 in June 2011 for development purposes. W8DP was released 3 months later. For grins I installed W8DP. It ran the new, in development, front end. And, it ran the current DOS software. We just couldn't do that with Apple or Android. The boss lady at this place did purchase the original Galaxy Tab an is pleased with it's size and email capabilities. She doesn't connect to the Exchange Server with it. She doesn't connect to the company network with it. She doesn't need to VPN, RDP, or VNC with it....she has her Vista laptop for that.
I've taken to carrying the W500 around to various customer sites just to see how it handled in the real world. I have yet to find a printer driver that won't work. Yes, the battery sucks compared to an iPad, but I've always had a 12v inverter in my car, and so far, all my clients have electricity. Yes it's heavy compared to an iPad, but it does include the keyboard, USB ports, HDMI, RJ45, front and rear camera, and Bluetooth. Most of the time it sits on conference tables or desks.
I think the MS Surface Pro will do all of the above, but it will have longer battery life and less weight. It will probably cost twice the price of the W500. I'm not sure if our developer wants to get involved with Windows RT. His toolbox is all set up for W7 and W8 Pro.
I can remote in to my desktop from my tablet using software that comes built-in. No add-ons.
I researched the iPad and the original Galaxy Tab. I came really close to purchasing one. One of my clients does in-house software development and was looking for a tablet that would run our Silverlight/WPF front end to our MS SQL Server based LOB software we are developing to replace the current dBase/Clipper/DOS system. We got the W500 with W7 in June 2011 for development purposes. W8DP was released 3 months later. For grins I installed W8DP. It ran the new, in development, front end. And, it ran the current DOS software. We just couldn't do that with Apple or Android. The boss lady at this place did purchase the original Galaxy Tab an is pleased with it's size and email capabilities. She doesn't connect to the Exchange Server with it. She doesn't connect to the company network with it. She doesn't need to VPN, RDP, or VNC with it....she has her Vista laptop for that.
I've taken to carrying the W500 around to various customer sites just to see how it handled in the real world. I have yet to find a printer driver that won't work. Yes, the battery sucks compared to an iPad, but I've always had a 12v inverter in my car, and so far, all my clients have electricity. Yes it's heavy compared to an iPad, but it does include the keyboard, USB ports, HDMI, RJ45, front and rear camera, and Bluetooth. Most of the time it sits on conference tables or desks.
I think the MS Surface Pro will do all of the above, but it will have longer battery life and less weight. It will probably cost twice the price of the W500. I'm not sure if our developer wants to get involved with Windows RT. His toolbox is all set up for W7 and W8 Pro.
I did not say Microsoft Office Mobile 2010. I used the same Office Pro Plus 2010 CD to install to my W7 laptop, then a year or two later to install to the W8 tablet. No syncing through a web browser.
I also installed the same PDF Creator and the same PDF XChange Viewer to both the W7 Pro laptop and the W8 tablet. I installed the exact same printer drivers to both devices for 7 or 8 networked printers at various customer sites. I've used both my laptop and tablet with a Verizon MiFi....not a difficult proposition for any WiFi device. I've watched my Amazon Prime Instant Videos on the tablet with the sound directed to my Jawbone Jambox I use with my Windows Phone 7.5. This is with Internet Explorer 10. It all just works. No fumbling around for 3rd party fixes or workarounds.
I also installed the same PDF Creator and the same PDF XChange Viewer to both the W7 Pro laptop and the W8 tablet. I installed the exact same printer drivers to both devices for 7 or 8 networked printers at various customer sites. I've used both my laptop and tablet with a Verizon MiFi....not a difficult proposition for any WiFi device. I've watched my Amazon Prime Instant Videos on the tablet with the sound directed to my Jawbone Jambox I use with my Windows Phone 7.5. This is with Internet Explorer 10. It all just works. No fumbling around for 3rd party fixes or workarounds.
By Microsoft's own words which I quoted above, Office Pro Plus will not run on RT. By extension then, you can either be using a full version of Win8Pro, or you're using Office Mobile. The only other option is, as you've described for yourself several times, you're porting back to your laptop/desktop and not doing the work on the tablet itself.
There's nothing wrong with porting, but it implies the wrong thing when you say you're doing it exclusively on the tablet. You are definitely proving that a tablet can and will be a strong productivity tool--against the arguments of so many anti-tablet zealots. However, your arguments insist that what you are using is the only possible way to do it, and that's what I'm arguing about.
Believe it or not, I'm quite glad that Microsoft is demonstrating a strong step forward. They're actually leapfrogging Android by making Win8RT integrate with Win8Pro in the same manner that iOS is integrated with OS X. There are always differences between platforms that mean they will perform certain tasks differently. That doesn't mean that either is exempt from performing that task at all.
There's nothing wrong with porting, but it implies the wrong thing when you say you're doing it exclusively on the tablet. You are definitely proving that a tablet can and will be a strong productivity tool--against the arguments of so many anti-tablet zealots. However, your arguments insist that what you are using is the only possible way to do it, and that's what I'm arguing about.
Believe it or not, I'm quite glad that Microsoft is demonstrating a strong step forward. They're actually leapfrogging Android by making Win8RT integrate with Win8Pro in the same manner that iOS is integrated with OS X. There are always differences between platforms that mean they will perform certain tasks differently. That doesn't mean that either is exempt from performing that task at all.
Windows 8 Release Preview. Currently downloadable from Microsoft. I did NOT say W8RT. I can see how there is some confusion.
Back to printers. Yes, I know about LPR and port 9100. I have an ancient ex-Windows server that's been running Fedora Core 2 set up as a print server for an even older LPT only HP plotter.
Maybe I over complicated my position. I took an off-the-shelf W7 tablet, installed the freely downloadable Windows 8 Release Preview, installed all my existing software including print drivers, and was able to walk in to a meeting and accomplish some real work.
Given the thinner form factor of the newly announced Microsoft Surface Pro with all its announced features, I think it will be a big hit with enterprise.
I admit my work environments are Microsoft/Windows-centric. I go way back with Microsoft. If I was Apple oriented or Linux/Android oriented as are many folks on these forums, I'm sure I could also get these to work given enough 3rd party work-arounds and concessions to some functionality.
But, I'm not (and neither are my clients), Apple or Android oriented. There is now no reason to try to fit in an iPad tablet or an Android tablet at any of my client environments. We now have the option with the Surface Pro (or any of it's clones) of dropping dropping in a Windows tablet as if it was a regular Windows desktop or Windows laptop.
Back to printers. Yes, I know about LPR and port 9100. I have an ancient ex-Windows server that's been running Fedora Core 2 set up as a print server for an even older LPT only HP plotter.
Maybe I over complicated my position. I took an off-the-shelf W7 tablet, installed the freely downloadable Windows 8 Release Preview, installed all my existing software including print drivers, and was able to walk in to a meeting and accomplish some real work.
Given the thinner form factor of the newly announced Microsoft Surface Pro with all its announced features, I think it will be a big hit with enterprise.
I admit my work environments are Microsoft/Windows-centric. I go way back with Microsoft. If I was Apple oriented or Linux/Android oriented as are many folks on these forums, I'm sure I could also get these to work given enough 3rd party work-arounds and concessions to some functionality.
But, I'm not (and neither are my clients), Apple or Android oriented. There is now no reason to try to fit in an iPad tablet or an Android tablet at any of my client environments. We now have the option with the Surface Pro (or any of it's clones) of dropping dropping in a Windows tablet as if it was a regular Windows desktop or Windows laptop.
I too manage an almost Windows exclusive environment so my choice for a tablet in the Enterprise would be one that runs Windows directly. So Win 8 or Windows Surface Pro would be the way to go at my company as well. - not Win RT, not Android, and not iPad
My previous posts were in reaction to the thought that you can't print or access other resources in the Enterprise from a non-Windows device. You can but it requires some know-how.
Personally, I miss the days when HP LaserJets had IR ports so you could just aim you laptop or PDA at the printer and print a simple document. (That gives you an idea of how old I am.)
My previous posts were in reaction to the thought that you can't print or access other resources in the Enterprise from a non-Windows device. You can but it requires some know-how.
Personally, I miss the days when HP LaserJets had IR ports so you could just aim you laptop or PDA at the printer and print a simple document. (That gives you an idea of how old I am.)
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My first story was written on software that required you to put the formatting code straight into the document and printed on a loud dot-matrix printer. (Well, unless you want to include some work on an IBM Selectric typewriter before that.) I've worked with computers from DOS/ProDOS through the various iterations of Windows and Macs and have supported other users for all that time.
I do agree that platforms differ and I also agree that what can be done on one can be done on the other--albeit differently. Microsoft tried to drive technology forward 11 years ago and failed due simply to lack of drive (they really should have pushed much harder for touch-centric software development). The modern tablet is at least as powerful in essence as the machines of that year so to say a tablet (I don't care what platform) can't do something is just plain wrong; it merely lacks the software to do it. Modern peripherals like printers and scanners are wireless, some even internet-accessible which means that almost any tablet has the ability to print on them in much the same way as that "aim your laptop or PDA at the printer and go" you describe.
In other words, things have changed a lot in the last 35 years and each decade has seen it's own game-changing advancements. I can hardly wait to see what computing looks like in 2020.
I do agree that platforms differ and I also agree that what can be done on one can be done on the other--albeit differently. Microsoft tried to drive technology forward 11 years ago and failed due simply to lack of drive (they really should have pushed much harder for touch-centric software development). The modern tablet is at least as powerful in essence as the machines of that year so to say a tablet (I don't care what platform) can't do something is just plain wrong; it merely lacks the software to do it. Modern peripherals like printers and scanners are wireless, some even internet-accessible which means that almost any tablet has the ability to print on them in much the same way as that "aim your laptop or PDA at the printer and go" you describe.
In other words, things have changed a lot in the last 35 years and each decade has seen it's own game-changing advancements. I can hardly wait to see what computing looks like in 2020.
When I took my first Intro to Computer Science course in college, they had just done away with the punch card readers the year before.
I learned to program COBOL and Pascal on DecWriter terminals. They were terminals without monitors. It looked like a giant typewriter. You typed your program and watched it print directly to paper. (I handwrote them all on paper first.) Then you compiled it and the printer would spit out all of the typos you entered. So you retyped it (editing was a hassle), re-complied it and then ran it.
I was ecstatic when they added monitors. WooHoo! I could cut and paste on screen!
So, I'm kind of old.
I learned to program COBOL and Pascal on DecWriter terminals. They were terminals without monitors. It looked like a giant typewriter. You typed your program and watched it print directly to paper. (I handwrote them all on paper first.) Then you compiled it and the printer would spit out all of the typos you entered. So you retyped it (editing was a hassle), re-complied it and then ran it.
I was ecstatic when they added monitors. WooHoo! I could cut and paste on screen!
So, I'm kind of old.
I helped Babbage swap out the gears in his difference engine and troubleshot Grace Hopper's code. 
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But at least some of us aren't letting that stop us from seeing the potential in new technology and trying to find ways to put that potential to practical use.
I'm an implementer. Point me in a direction and I'll get there. I have no illusions that I'm CxO material, and no desire to take on that burden. Somebody's got to deploy those new tools once a useability decision is reached, and should be able to anticipate the problems (not 'opportunities' or 'challenges') that can occur during that deployment.
... rather than resisting them. As an implementer, you're the one who will be tasked to make it work, and if you don't know how then you hurt your own career. Really, you need more vision than the CxO so that you can demonstrate up front how it will--or won't--work for your business. You can't rely on your MSCE, etc., to have all the answers.
Apple took what Microsoft developed in tablets over the years and made it work much better for a consumer experience. Microsoft finally has the software and technology to do what it has been trying to do since XP tablets and before. Of course, Ipad showed us all what was possible and pleasing to the masses so in that sense, Microsoft copied, but the MAC copied Xerox and most great companies steal, remake and advance. Windows phone and Windows 8 are not 'me too' products but a different imagining - we'll see how well they take. The Ipad tried to add a keyboard and cover for its use very awkwardly done and not comfortable. Microsoft may have pulled these needs for many off well - and creating a whole environment to work in - computers, laptops, tablets, smartphones, xbox entertainment/games, the cloud, enterprise, etc. We'll see how well they pull it all together!
Apple NEVER had an original idea to start with. EVERY SINGLE so called innovation they have had was just an adaptation of older technology, from someone else's recycling bin. Starting from their original micro processors, made by Motorola, stepping into Intel based cpus, nothing was new or revolutionary. Even when Apple tried to sue Microsoft over window GUI and got slapped down, Microsoft had tablets before the worm fruit MFG, and Apple just sat back waiting for technology to miniaturize before they went forward.Just like with the Mac, Apples big innovation was just a quieter box. No there was never nothing new from Apple in computers, Maybe they should stick to MP3 players, or venture into digital cameras... With out Steve their without the ability to adapt in the computer arena, sad as it may be.
I strongly, STRONGLY recommend you check your history. The Apple II came before any other brand of desktop computer that's in existence today; every other predecessor brand died in the early '80s. Why? Because Apple led the way in one way: taking available off-the-shelf parts and building a functional computer. Credit or blame Steve Wozniak for that first computer--blame Steve Jobs for making it sell.
Apple also was first in miniaturizing and truly developing many of the devices we use today, from the mouse (Xerox's had three buttons and dozens of springs, contacts and other components) to the GUI (Xerox had all but wiped their hands of it--claiming nobody would ever use such a thing) to even the first non-tethered tablet device--called the Newton--which preceded the PDA we all know about by a good 5 years.
True, Apple is better at taking other people's products and making them work right, but they also led the way in many other technologies that were simply ignored by the establishment. As I said, "Do your research." You need it.
Apple also was first in miniaturizing and truly developing many of the devices we use today, from the mouse (Xerox's had three buttons and dozens of springs, contacts and other components) to the GUI (Xerox had all but wiped their hands of it--claiming nobody would ever use such a thing) to even the first non-tethered tablet device--called the Newton--which preceded the PDA we all know about by a good 5 years.
True, Apple is better at taking other people's products and making them work right, but they also led the way in many other technologies that were simply ignored by the establishment. As I said, "Do your research." You need it.
The Apple II+ was my first off-the-shelf computer. Apple did a heck of a job. Bill Gates made the very popular Z80 Softcard for the II+. I had one of those and ran CP/M. That's how I got involved in dBase. It ran on CP/M. My choice at the time was the Commodore Pet, The TRS-80, and the Apple II+. This was the year Woz invented the (relatively) cheap disk drive and controller. Apple had 6(?) or 7(?) empty slots for add-ins. I very quickly got the 16K RAM card, and then the Softcard. I don't remember the Pet or the TRS-80 being expandable. I think you still used some sort of tape drive for them also.
My very first computer was a notebook computer. It had an Intel 8048 with 2K of RAM. It was a single circuit board punched for a 3 ring binder (notebook). I had to supply my own power supply. Programs and data were stored on a plain old cassette tape player. It was programmed in assembler. That was the basis of my college thesis.
I sold CP/M computers and Franklin computers. Apple kind of started the lawsuit craze with it's competitors. They advanced as much through lawsuits as they did through innovation. Apple compatibles were not as compatible with then as PC's are compatible with each other now.
IBM and Microsoft brought order to chaos. This was well after Apple introduced the II+. Before these 2 got together there were no standards. 8"/5 1/4" floppies. Single/Double sided. Single/double/quad density. With/without hub rings. Serial ports for printers. You had to make up your own printer cables using the pin-outs from the printer and computer manufacturer. 5 MB hard drives. Green screen monitors. The amber monitor was a major innovation at the time.
They were exciting days. I believe Microsoft and Nokia(?) will bring order and standards to the Android chaos. I believe Microsoft alone or with a hardware vendor (Samsung?) will bring order to the tablet chaos. Smartphones and tablets will become standardized commodities like the PC. Apple will continue along making good money with it's relatively small but very loyal customer base.
My very first computer was a notebook computer. It had an Intel 8048 with 2K of RAM. It was a single circuit board punched for a 3 ring binder (notebook). I had to supply my own power supply. Programs and data were stored on a plain old cassette tape player. It was programmed in assembler. That was the basis of my college thesis.
I sold CP/M computers and Franklin computers. Apple kind of started the lawsuit craze with it's competitors. They advanced as much through lawsuits as they did through innovation. Apple compatibles were not as compatible with then as PC's are compatible with each other now.
IBM and Microsoft brought order to chaos. This was well after Apple introduced the II+. Before these 2 got together there were no standards. 8"/5 1/4" floppies. Single/Double sided. Single/double/quad density. With/without hub rings. Serial ports for printers. You had to make up your own printer cables using the pin-outs from the printer and computer manufacturer. 5 MB hard drives. Green screen monitors. The amber monitor was a major innovation at the time.
They were exciting days. I believe Microsoft and Nokia(?) will bring order and standards to the Android chaos. I believe Microsoft alone or with a hardware vendor (Samsung?) will bring order to the tablet chaos. Smartphones and tablets will become standardized commodities like the PC. Apple will continue along making good money with it's relatively small but very loyal customer base.
If they can put the functions of a laptop onto a tablet with all of the Plus stuff (GUI, very long life for battery, very light weight, ease of use) I'll buy one. The iPAD is great, but too limited.
All those addons for the Surface are simply that, addons to make it a laptop.
Would you rather walk around with one device that does what it says or one device with lots of addons? Personally, I'll stick with having just one device.
Would you rather walk around with one device that does what it says or one device with lots of addons? Personally, I'll stick with having just one device.
because I didn't want a laptop, only the ease of data input that a laptop provides.
I have an Android tablet. I plumped for the Asus TF101. This has fully replaced my main laptop. It's easier for document reading, web browsing, video watching, music playing, casual gaming, video calling, maps/navigation and does e-mail, VPN and office suites almost as well as my old laptop. Using services like Dropbox it's a doddle to transfer my files to and from my workplace machines and thanks to it's network aware file browser I can access anything from my PCs or home NAS. Once I dock this into it's keyboard the office suites and e-mail apps become very close to the experience on the laptop, minus some of the glitz that comes with MS office.
So, in direct answer to your question - because the laptop is an inferior form factor for consumption of media (business or otherwise) and a tablet's shortfalls can be easily mitigated with a GOOD keyboard dock.
Try one yourself - you may be surprised.
I'll be watching the surface with interest. While I obviously love my Asus TF101 a Windows tablet that actually works well would always have been preferable - as long as it's speed it equal to that of Android.
I have an Android tablet. I plumped for the Asus TF101. This has fully replaced my main laptop. It's easier for document reading, web browsing, video watching, music playing, casual gaming, video calling, maps/navigation and does e-mail, VPN and office suites almost as well as my old laptop. Using services like Dropbox it's a doddle to transfer my files to and from my workplace machines and thanks to it's network aware file browser I can access anything from my PCs or home NAS. Once I dock this into it's keyboard the office suites and e-mail apps become very close to the experience on the laptop, minus some of the glitz that comes with MS office.
So, in direct answer to your question - because the laptop is an inferior form factor for consumption of media (business or otherwise) and a tablet's shortfalls can be easily mitigated with a GOOD keyboard dock.
Try one yourself - you may be surprised.
I'll be watching the surface with interest. While I obviously love my Asus TF101 a Windows tablet that actually works well would always have been preferable - as long as it's speed it equal to that of Android.
The Surface & your Android are lighter than a laptop and they are "instant on".
I have to admit, that's partly why I bought mine but in reality it's less 'instant on' and more like 'never off'
I'm wondering about the price of the apps.
While iPad's Pages and Keynote cost US$9.99, how much will it cost Word or PowerPoint for Surfaces?
App Store has tons of apps, and a bunch of them are free.
While iPad's Pages and Keynote cost US$9.99, how much will it cost Word or PowerPoint for Surfaces?
App Store has tons of apps, and a bunch of them are free.
I would think that there will be less expensive apps available. Apple's greatest advantage and the most diiffcult thing for Micsosoft to re-invent will be the eco-system. In my case I we have enterprise type licensing for our productivity apps and its likely that my assurance program will absorb those costs. As for home style users I am sure there will be options, but perhaps not enough to over come the dominance of apple store and itunes.
Tell that to the chinese workers who are dying from benzine poisoning who work at the factories where the ipads are made, or the slave wages they are paid... an Ipad is manufactured for the equivalent labor cost of five dollars US... yes Apple is so environmentally responsible and cares about the people!
Pick on Apple because they are the biggest. At least they are TRYING to improve things over there; what about those other brands.
Oh, and if Apple sticks to their typical modus operandi, Foxconn may have just lost their biggest customer.
Oh, and if Apple sticks to their typical modus operandi, Foxconn may have just lost their biggest customer.
Though the surface can use windows apps, will there be any type of real app market available when it hits the shelves? That is what has hurt most other tablet contenders.
Jason's had to repeat that at least once already. No enterprise (see that word in the title?) is going to bother with RT. It lacks most of the features that make a Windows-based tablet attractive to corporate IT departments, making it no better (or worse) than tablets running other operating systems.
The article/blog is about Surface Pro in the enterprise.
Why else would he have included "iPad knockoff" in the title?
The Pro was specifically mentioned: "The Pro version of the Surface tablet that most businesses are going to want is expected to cost about the same price as an Ultrabook ??? in the $800-$1000 range."
In my original post I specifically mentioned W8RP...Release Preview. And, off the shelf software.
In my original post I specifically mentioned W8RP...Release Preview. And, off the shelf software.
In your opinion, how easy are the legacy apps to use on a touch-centric device? Does it look and feel to you like something a client would use on a daily basis?
My biggest argument against desktop Windows on a tablet in the past is that mouse-centric apps are more difficult to use, even though navigation is greatly improved. This, and the concession to keep the mouse interface are, in my opinion, why tablets have failed for the last 10 years. Your thoughts on this conclusion?
My biggest argument against desktop Windows on a tablet in the past is that mouse-centric apps are more difficult to use, even though navigation is greatly improved. This, and the concession to keep the mouse interface are, in my opinion, why tablets have failed for the last 10 years. Your thoughts on this conclusion?
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Right now, Metro IU includes a calendar app and an email app that ties to Outlook Web Access. So my guess is that it will still be available after the release of Win 8.
My other guess is you will be paying the full price for one of the many flavors of Office 2010 or 2013 on the Pro version. Maybe they will offer a package deal but if you already have an Office license for your desktop, you can install it on one other device.
The Win Apps store already has quite a few free apps.
My other guess is you will be paying the full price for one of the many flavors of Office 2010 or 2013 on the Pro version. Maybe they will offer a package deal but if you already have an Office license for your desktop, you can install it on one other device.
The Win Apps store already has quite a few free apps.
... if you have the skills. Or maybe you could hire someone to write it for you. Waiting for others to read your mind may take a while.
Again, the article is about Surface Pro. I'm half-tempted to install AutoCAD 2013 and Paint Shop Pro X4 just to see how they run on the W500 with W8 Release Preview
I believe we've come to a point where there is no such thing as an iPad knockoff or copy.
That???s like arguing that all the auto companies are knockoffs of the very first self-powered automobile.
Or that all printers are knockoffs of the first printer.
It???s not a question of whether it looks like an iPad, that???s unavoidable.
It???s a question of apps, cost, functionality, versatility, and usability.
Add to that marketing, and that???s what it takes to be successful in this race (which looks to be a one horse race at this point???).
I don???t believe MS got off to a good start in this race.
1. Late to the gate.
2. No pricing information
3. No release date. When can I buy one of these?!
4. No in-depth specs. What???s the resolution? It???s a tablet, resolution is important.
5. And a presentation where the tablet locks up on IE! That was painful to watch.
So MS has once again fallen on their face and don???t look to be very organized on this launch.
That???s assuming it does launch, we???ve seen this before as well.
Remember 2010 and the death of the Courier?
That???s like arguing that all the auto companies are knockoffs of the very first self-powered automobile.
Or that all printers are knockoffs of the first printer.
It???s not a question of whether it looks like an iPad, that???s unavoidable.
It???s a question of apps, cost, functionality, versatility, and usability.
Add to that marketing, and that???s what it takes to be successful in this race (which looks to be a one horse race at this point???).
I don???t believe MS got off to a good start in this race.
1. Late to the gate.
2. No pricing information
3. No release date. When can I buy one of these?!
4. No in-depth specs. What???s the resolution? It???s a tablet, resolution is important.
5. And a presentation where the tablet locks up on IE! That was painful to watch.
So MS has once again fallen on their face and don???t look to be very organized on this launch.
That???s assuming it does launch, we???ve seen this before as well.
Remember 2010 and the death of the Courier?
Is this a review or an ad?
"...will spyware and malware become a big problem on the Surface since it???s running the full version of Windows?"
"...guaranteed to work with their existing applications"
- It will officially only run software available through the Windows Store...
- Only software written using the Windows Runtime (Metro-style apps) can be used on Windows RT. Developers will not be able to create applications to run on Windows RT using the Win32 APIs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_RT
"...will spyware and malware become a big problem on the Surface since it???s running the full version of Windows?"
"...guaranteed to work with their existing applications"
- It will officially only run software available through the Windows Store...
- Only software written using the Windows Runtime (Metro-style apps) can be used on Windows RT. Developers will not be able to create applications to run on Windows RT using the Win32 APIs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_RT
Windows Runtime apps will be the only apps that can run on the tablet, but those Windows Runtime apps can also be run on a desktop PC running Windows 8. Microsoft already tried putting a full desktop on their last tablet OS attempt and it flat out didn't work. Metro apps should be designed with a touch screen in mind since that is how the metro interface is intended I think.
There are two versons of the Microsoft Surface tablet. The one running Windows RT (the consumer version for ARM tablets) will run software from the Windows Store, but the Pro version of the Surface -- which is the version I'm primarily talking about in this article -- will run the full version of Windows. As such, it has all the power of currently available Windows software, but also all of the same spyware/malware risks.
Does that mean it runs the same applications as Windows 7? The main thing that is stopping me buying a tablet is that my intended uses need some full-function applications. I'm looking for something that will allow me to process my RAW photo files in the field and run a full 3D modelling app so I can build models onsite rather than having to take a myriad of photos and measurements and working from them. There's always a detail you miss and have to guess, or go back and take more pics.
I'm after a replacement for the traditional artists sketchbook that can be used anywhere. I'd like to be running Corel Painter for this with a pressure,tilt and bearing sensitive pen like my Wacom tablet at home.
Maybe this is not the market for these tablets, but it is what I've been waiting for the industry to produce for many years.
I'm after a replacement for the traditional artists sketchbook that can be used anywhere. I'd like to be running Corel Painter for this with a pressure,tilt and bearing sensitive pen like my Wacom tablet at home.
Maybe this is not the market for these tablets, but it is what I've been waiting for the industry to produce for many years.
I installed Win 8 on my Fujitsu convertible tablet and I have all of the same applications running on it as I had when it was running on Win 7 so my guess is yes, the same programs will run on the Surface Pro.
Er, Jason writes for TR. You don't. How clueless is he now?
I dismissed your comments as 'yet another Jason Hiner hater' and may have missed a valid point as a result.
Look, I disagree with lines in Jason's articles as often as the rest of you (it's called healthy debate) but negative comments aimed at Jason personally are getting very old now. Can we be more objective and stop with the name calling please?
I dismissed your comments as 'yet another Jason Hiner hater' and may have missed a valid point as a result.
Look, I disagree with lines in Jason's articles as often as the rest of you (it's called healthy debate) but negative comments aimed at Jason personally are getting very old now. Can we be more objective and stop with the name calling please?
I like it, but this is just a super slim laptop. The kickstand is needed because the processor and battery are behind the display, and the keyboard isn't massive enough to support the display.
Put out a tablet with both touchscreen and virtual laser keyboard and you have competition for the iPad.
Put out a tablet with both touchscreen and virtual laser keyboard and you have competition for the iPad.
If the Surface is just a super slim laptop, than so is the iPad. I can't stand using my iPad for email because of the lack of any kind of physical keyboard. If I use the smart cover to prop up the iPad, I can do better but it still isn't great plus the on screen keyboard reduces how much of screen image you can see. I also still don't like the viewing angle much using the smart cover
The surface gets around this by integrating the keyboard into the screen cover. The kickstand on the back also puts the tablet at what I think is a much better viewing angle. If you don't want to use the keyboard then I assume that you just fold it around the back of the Surface and use it like a normal tablet.
The surface gets around this by integrating the keyboard into the screen cover. The kickstand on the back also puts the tablet at what I think is a much better viewing angle. If you don't want to use the keyboard then I assume that you just fold it around the back of the Surface and use it like a normal tablet.
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