Why would you think a screenwriter is a good source of information about how we should design computer interfaces? If there's one thing all sci-fi from even the 80's gets wrong it's the power and ubiquity of computer technology in the "future".
It makes as much sense as accepting investment advice from an actor or a footballer.
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It's about the Live ID that they've integrated, for voluntary use, that allows having one's desktop profile on multiple computers. Is this a profile file that gets stored on some Live server to be downloaded whenever one signs onto another machine?
If "yes", how could one do the same without signing onto the Live ID service? In other words, what would I need to duplicate my desktop and settings across computers in my house and beyond (without giving my deets to Live)?
If "yes", how could one do the same without signing onto the Live ID service? In other words, what would I need to duplicate my desktop and settings across computers in my house and beyond (without giving my deets to Live)?
That's easy enough in a WinTel environment at work but I don't do a lot of Win7/Win8 homegroup work to know how to duplicate that at home. let me go and have a play for a bit.
I'm away from work at the moment due to health issues. Can barely use computers at the moment so it'll be a long wait on me.
Sorry to let y'all down. Feel free to have a play yourselves, though. In theory this should be possible.
Sorry to let y'all down. Feel free to have a play yourselves, though. In theory this should be possible.
While I'm on it I'd like to add a rotary dial to my landline phone. Get a dot-matrix printer with a serial port. Disengage the ABS on my car. Return to film photography. Incandescent instead of flourescent. Cassettes instead of MP3s. Boilerplates over templates. CRT in spite of LCD. Need I go on? Because I feel like I made the point seven examples ago. 
So I believe myangeldust's point was why reinstall an old feature over the top of (and in spite of) the newer way of doing things.
If you prefer the old way and using it doesn't cause any problems, why not use it? The only example he cited that could be an actual hazard was the ABS brakes. Everything else was a matter of personal preference.
...should keep one from upgrading to the new version. Grandpa would say, "more gadgets, more problems" when talking about new products. If users feel the same way about Windows 8 they should consider keeping their existing systems.
Personal preference is lacing up my shoes bunny-rabbit style when the single loop is faster, but learning both methods anyways.
Personal preference is lacing up my shoes bunny-rabbit style when the single loop is faster, but learning both methods anyways.
If someone's preference is to run W8 with a W7 interface (or earlier; I'm not personally familiar with the product), let 'em. It's not my money they're spending.
I'm reminded of those who preach that open source is all about choices, then scream when a new Linux user loads a Windows-look alike desktop. It's the same with someone who wants to run W8 but have it look like what he's used to. In his view, he has the best of both worlds.
Me, I'm in the 'I don't like so I plan to avoid it' camp. Just my personal preference; dontchakno?
I'm reminded of those who preach that open source is all about choices, then scream when a new Linux user loads a Windows-look alike desktop. It's the same with someone who wants to run W8 but have it look like what he's used to. In his view, he has the best of both worlds.
Me, I'm in the 'I don't like so I plan to avoid it' camp. Just my personal preference; dontchakno?
Each of the examples I mentioned above requires added cost and/or effort on the user's part. So why do it?
Why buy Windows8 (cost) and Start8 (effort) when you can just stay with your existing version of Windows?
Why buy Windows8 (cost) and Start8 (effort) when you can just stay with your existing version of Windows?
Or what if the additional cost and effort arises when converting FROM these old technologies? I have customers that still use serial interface dot matrix printers because of the additional cost and effort required to convert to USB or ethernet printing. I still have a Canon AE-1 because I can't afford the additional cost for a DSLR. Putting a florescent bub into your oven or refrigerator requires the cost and effort of modifying them to accept it. I still have a cassette player at home and many of my cassettes see regular use. I have two CRT monitors that still work just fine.
Only two of your suggestions either can't or shouldn't be done. Rotary dial is no longer supported by my local telco, so it's just not an option where I am. And anybody who messes with the brakes on their car is, plainly and simply, a darn fool.
I just got my first copy of Win7, but only because I bought a new laptop after my old one died. I strongly suspect that most of those who will be upgrading to Win 8 will be doing so for the same reason: it came with the new computer they just bought to replace the old, dead, one. Why is it such a problem if they prefer to modify their new OS to resemble what they are used to?
Only two of your suggestions either can't or shouldn't be done. Rotary dial is no longer supported by my local telco, so it's just not an option where I am. And anybody who messes with the brakes on their car is, plainly and simply, a darn fool.
I just got my first copy of Win7, but only because I bought a new laptop after my old one died. I strongly suspect that most of those who will be upgrading to Win 8 will be doing so for the same reason: it came with the new computer they just bought to replace the old, dead, one. Why is it such a problem if they prefer to modify their new OS to resemble what they are used to?
Oh, no you didn't, NickNielsen. What are you smoking and can I have a puff?! My comment shows me going "retro". Where I return to old technologies in the present time. I'm not talking about keeping an old dot matrix, for instance, at the construction office. I'm saying, "Hey, I want to go BACK to using a dot matrix printer." Which doesn't make any sense. Either way, it's added effort for anyone to go back AND it's added cost to keep an existing one. Every year that goes by means fewer parts and supplies for any one of my examples. At one office I had to ditch a functioning pen plotter because the pens are either hard to get or very expensive. You know this, NickNielsen. I know you know this. None of those new Win8 laptop buyers are on this site. They will go to the store and see the "cool new thing" and buy it. Power users, actual and wannabee, will be the only ones having a kanipshin fit. (Dudes, this is like crying in front of your wife/girlfriend, don't do it!)
Why does everyone go to the ABS example? When you disengage ABS you just have regular brakes. They still work, you just have to learn how to actually brake. It's a plug behind your glovebox.
Why does everyone go to the ABS example? When you disengage ABS you just have regular brakes. They still work, you just have to learn how to actually brake. It's a plug behind your glovebox.
But it makes sense to Epson, Okidata, and Brother, as they still manufacture, sell, and support dot matrix printers. The initial cost is higher than a small office laser, but for anybody printing multiple copies of custom forms (receipts, bills of lading, etc.), impact printing is THE first option.
I don't know about the construction office, but I do know about retail support. My two largest customers still use dot matrix printers today: all day, every day. One of them experimented with laser in that application and went back to impact, because it was less expensive in the long run to print multiple copies with a dot matrix printer.
No, I didn't know about the pen plotter.
I don't know about the construction office, but I do know about retail support. My two largest customers still use dot matrix printers today: all day, every day. One of them experimented with laser in that application and went back to impact, because it was less expensive in the long run to print multiple copies with a dot matrix printer.
No, I didn't know about the pen plotter.
cost to changing operating systems. But due to Microsoft's deliberate destruction of compatibility with older software and hardware there are MAJOR costs associated with going to new a new version of Windows. Switch from Windows XP to Window 8 and you need new copies of MS Office and most of your other software as non of your existing software will work on Win 8 worth a damn, and most of your peripherals won't work either and it's doubtful you'll get drivers for them too.
It's these costs that stop most businesses from changing up to a newer OS as it costs them way to much to do so.
It's these costs that stop most businesses from changing up to a newer OS as it costs them way to much to do so.
You CAN use Windows 7 apps on Win8 and Pro. RT is another story.
Yes, you can't use XP applications on Windows 8. Continued use of Office XP or '07 when you're upgrading to Windows 8 is the real question. Is it being cheap? I can't use newer apps on an iPhone 3GS because it can't be upgraded to iOS 5 or 6, but I understand that. At some point in the pursuit of continuing said business you have to force customers off your discontinued products. It's not just to sell the new stuff but to inform customers the old stuff cannot be supported or repaired. Donate your old stuff to poor folks in other countries. Deduct it on your tax forms. Move on already.
Yes, you can't use XP applications on Windows 8. Continued use of Office XP or '07 when you're upgrading to Windows 8 is the real question. Is it being cheap? I can't use newer apps on an iPhone 3GS because it can't be upgraded to iOS 5 or 6, but I understand that. At some point in the pursuit of continuing said business you have to force customers off your discontinued products. It's not just to sell the new stuff but to inform customers the old stuff cannot be supported or repaired. Donate your old stuff to poor folks in other countries. Deduct it on your tax forms. Move on already.
about Win 7 to Win 8, which have basically the same command set which is totally different to that of Win XP and Win 9x. Thus making the older applications totally incompatible with the Win 7 / 8 systems.
Does anyone actually BUY Windows (apart from companies)? You truly amaze me, sir.
I read a lot of different ways to shut down Win 8, but no one mentioned the 3-finger salute (Ctrl+Alt+Del). I will mention it here, as it brings up the familiar Win XP drop- down, from which I choose "Shutdown";->
Cannot understand the understanding of a 2013 brand new Operation System with 2006 Drivers / Windows 8 , i have only been able to update 1 driver / Perfect Updater. A 2012 driver the intel compatible video 2012 will not install ? I jumped form XP and im running a 10 yer old IBM / LENOVO E50 9214 A1U, MY XP played perfect Streaming & Video's , Free for views, now the Windows 8 Video really Sucks in comparison to the Video performance of my XP, I have killed everything that could possibly disrupt my internet / still sucks not quite Godzilla B movie, But I figured surely if XP played everything perfect the advanced Tech of Windows 8 is a disappointment in only that on aspect
Now windows 8 update quit working ER. 800703F1 it has a built in fix it that does not work ,MS Tech's cant even fix it, Spent 10 hours with them, but on the bright side the Windows Defender will let me update it, makes no sence little help please....
you should be able to use them to de a full install. If you need to wipe the disc and they won't do it, get a copy of any version of Linux and use the Live CD version to examine the drive and delete the Windows files, then do your rebuild.
What the tarnations is this?! Users of the old tiller now have to conform (forced by the manufacturer) to this steering wheel. What could be more intuitive than a handle you can swing left and right? Every sailor knows all about it. A wheel? Please, NO!
Now, these carmakers have forced upon us an ignition switch inside the car. Nothing was easier to use, or figure out, than the handcrank on the front of the car. I supposed my wife will now simply push this button and what, DRIVE the car herself?!
Steering wheels, ignition switches? This is merely change for change's sake. This is Henry Ford's attempt at making all our lives miserable. Just miserable. Maybe Mr. Ford will make a Model U and bring back the tiller and crank or I can't see his company last that much longer.
PS: I was going to do that "M$" thing but there's no "s" in Ford. Or Henry.
Now, these carmakers have forced upon us an ignition switch inside the car. Nothing was easier to use, or figure out, than the handcrank on the front of the car. I supposed my wife will now simply push this button and what, DRIVE the car herself?!
Steering wheels, ignition switches? This is merely change for change's sake. This is Henry Ford's attempt at making all our lives miserable. Just miserable. Maybe Mr. Ford will make a Model U and bring back the tiller and crank or I can't see his company last that much longer.
PS: I was going to do that "M$" thing but there's no "s" in Ford. Or Henry.
a joystick control like the jet fighters use - that's a good control in that environment so it MUST be great for your car - - well, that the think MS and you are using in applying a smartphone GUI to a desktop.
If it works on a motorcycle, it must be good for a car, right?
Nah, we should be operating moving vehicles with a gaming console controller. Look at how many different vehicles you can drive with one of those!
Nah, we should be operating moving vehicles with a gaming console controller. Look at how many different vehicles you can drive with one of those!
you guys aren't. Those guys are from a previous era. I don't think baby boomers had funny guys to look up to so I can't fault you for your lame retorts.
1. The ship's wheel existed for centuries before the invention of the automobile. The first cars had tillers and not steering wheels because a) it was less expensive than a wheel, and b) the ship's wheel technology of the day did not provide the precision required to steer an automobile.
2. The ignition switch has always been inside the car. The hand crank turned the engine.so the spark could start it and was replaced by the electric starter.
Your commentary...let me try to say this politely...is ineffective because it is grossly deficient in historical accuracy, which causes humor in the target audience.
In short, it's such an epic fail I'll be laughing for days. At you, not with you.
2. The ignition switch has always been inside the car. The hand crank turned the engine.so the spark could start it and was replaced by the electric starter.
Your commentary...let me try to say this politely...is ineffective because it is grossly deficient in historical accuracy, which causes humor in the target audience.
In short, it's such an epic fail I'll be laughing for days. At you, not with you.
So you agree with me. 1) Steering wheels replaced tillers. 2) Ignition switches replaced hand cranks. So where's your joke, NickNielsen? I could've bored everyone with the history of the wheel. Or caused cranial hemorrhaging in our readers explaining the differences between using a magneto versus using a dry cell in the ignition process of old timey cars (psst, it's the button I mentioned). But the WHOLE point. The ONLY point, NickNielsen, was to illustrate the unwillingness for some to adopt to new technology throughout human history. But you wanted to laugh so go for it. But only because you agree with me (see proof above).
Your wife hit the lottery with you. Such a keeper!
Your wife hit the lottery with you. Such a keeper!
It's counterproductive to convincing people that you have something worthwhile to say.
Must you go on every Windows forum and belittle Windows users like you do, Bruce? You spend most of your night doing this. I can only imagine you sleep at work or just live on backs of Aussie taxpayers. You're not even trying to back up your comments with facts. It's just for the mere purpose of diverting Windows users from useful information. I do have to say that your single success here has been in getting a Tech Republic* moderator to join you in this endeavour. So I guess you have that going for you. Does it balance out your lack of helpfulness in anything else? No. But your moderator still loves you.
My name is Charlie; it's in my profile. Who's Bruce?
I've belittled W8 itself any number of times. I'd appreciate links or references to when I belittled users.
I've belittled W8 itself any number of times. I'd appreciate links or references to when I belittled users.
Your comments sort of blend with Ernie's comments after a while. Same age group? Anyways, your twin Ernie said he's from Australia. So I called him Bruce figuring that was probably his real name. According to Monty Python, and most of my uncles, every guy in Australia is named Bruce.
This is a very small sub-culture in here. I will let you get back to trading photos of whatever.
This is a very small sub-culture in here. I will let you get back to trading photos of whatever.
You're the one who's been saying the wheel was invented for the car.
And the electric starter replaced the hand crank.
The only proof you provide is that your reading comprehension is as deficient as your behavior. And your insults.
And the electric starter replaced the hand crank.
The only proof you provide is that your reading comprehension is as deficient as your behavior. And your insults.
Dude, can you read? It's right up there. I don't mention anything about inventing the wheel nor anything about electric starters. I did say "Users of the old tiller now have to conform (forced by the manufacturer) to this steering wheel." This actually happened because we're no longer using the tiller. I also said, "ignition switch inside the car. Nothing was easier to use, or figure out, than the handcrank on the front of the car. I supposed my wife will now simply push this button..." This also is true as we now start the car from inside by closing a circuit (aka switch) instead of hand cranking a magneto.
In no way do I expect you to understand this clarification but I am trying. If you find it condescending that's your own problem. You father's generation would've kept the resentment all to themselves, not display it like a... a... whatever your dad used to call you whenever he caught you crying or playing with dolls.
In no way do I expect you to understand this clarification but I am trying. If you find it condescending that's your own problem. You father's generation would've kept the resentment all to themselves, not display it like a... a... whatever your dad used to call you whenever he caught you crying or playing with dolls.
"updating" your posts? I have your previous posts saved and that isn't exactly what the originals said. I was following along but things changed. Did you second guess what you were saying?
In http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-393978?p=2&messageId=3725877, you posted: Ignition switches replaced hand cranks.
Now, go back and fix it, so you can pretend you weren't caught out.
Now, go back and fix it, so you can pretend you weren't caught out.
You quoted a response I made to your comment (that comment where you try to give readers a history lesson). If that response I made was updated, it was to correct a mispelled word. The original comment I made is up there untouched for all to see and memorize and find error with as I have seem to become the focus of an unhealthy obsession. If you three guys didn't have a tinge of Turkish bathhouse between you I'd be flattered at the attention. I almost vomited a little at the thought.
Disclaimer: I reserve the right to correct any mispelled words that may be found in this comment. Happy?
Disclaimer: I reserve the right to correct any mispelled words that may be found in this comment. Happy?
& Three Blind Mice, Where the FFFF are they going, OHHHHHHHH.
I've search this entire discussion but can find no previous references to Chrome until you brought it up. IE 10 has been mentioned only once before. That was in the context of preferring the 'Classic' desktop version over the Metro one, not in terms of preferring another browser or previous version.
industrial relations complaints from the UTU (United Trolls Union) as they strongly object to being associated with that guy.
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