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        <title><![CDATA[Cloud may not be the end of the IT Dept]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Just incase the cloud link goes down, are there any redundancies to sustain uptimes?]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[smlado]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 05:04:26 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[VM researchers post rude awakening about virtualization security]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[And now reality shows that the Cloud model is definately not as secure as the pro-Clouders would have everyone believe.  DO NOT embrace the cloud as the total repalcmenet fopr your own network.  Not only is it as secure as its been sold but the cloud providers will never fight to the same extent as you will to proetect your data.  http://phys.org/news/2012-11-vm-rude-awakening-virtualization.html#nwlt]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 14:57:41 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Yes, a fad]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[This is why anecdotal evidence is broadly considered unreliable.  Simply pointing out that someone mis-called a fad in the 50's does not have any bearing on the validity of my statement.  Lots of tech fads have come and gone (PointCast, Clippy, DigiScent iSmell, Flexplay DVDs, etc.).  How about a quote from someone saying &quot;I told you so, those really were fads!&quot;.The point is that the idea of letting a 3rd party store your sensitive corporate data and not even having a local backup copy of that data (the definition of &quot;cloud&quot; storage) is FAIL from the outset.  But it's the current &quot;hot thing&quot; so some corporate execs are turning off their brains and running with it because their lackeys have told them what a great idea it is.So what's going to happen?  Someone is going to lose their data.  Some corporation will lose hundreds of terabytes of intellectual property.  This is inevitable.  Chances are it will be due to a malicious cracker, possibly an agent of one of the nations actively working every day to crack into systems with the intent of disrupting operations or stealing data.  One of these cloud storage companies will have a vulnerability they don't know about, and because they are storing so much data for so many corporations they will be a prime target worth throwing cracking resources at in abundance.AFTER this event takes place, &quot;cloud&quot; storage will be a dead concept.  It is simply too risky to entrust your critical data to a 3rd party, period.As for &quot;cloud&quot; services, this is simply a rebranding of SOA; it's not anything new.  Calling it &quot;cloud&quot; is a fad -- the name will be changed every few years to keep people thinking that something novel and groundbreaking has been created, when in fact it is nothing more than a small incremental improvement of what existed before.  An exciting new name makes it easier to trick people into paying a premium for it.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Vorpaladin]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2012 18:56:38 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Here is how:]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[How does a 5 person shop comply with all those regulations?doug@... 1 day agoDo I hire a lawyer and a couple IT security experts? ****f you are smart and you need to comply with all those regulation, then yes you do hire a lawyer and an IT Consultant.****Or do I have a professional software firm set me up with a virtual server on AWS for a monthly fee? ****I am quite certain that the 'professional software firm' will know and follow all of the regulations that apply to your little company.  I am sure that they will take the time to figure out what regulations apply to you and setup your system to comply with them.  The truth is many (such as Google) simply can't and others are not willing to take on that responsibility either.  They want to sell you a service, but they aren't going to be responsible for your security read their TOS.****The first option would cost me 300 grand a year. ****I want to come work for you! (And I will start for half that, and I will include all the needed hardware and software for a 5 man shop) for that price.****The second option would cost me, say, a grand a month. ****Boy, that vendor saw you coming! And will not comply with all the needed regulations or best security practices.****Let's say there are some advantages for me to going to the first option. Is it worth paying 288 grand a year for? ****Well not if you are making 10G a year, but if your company is making a few million a year, you bet it is worth every penny (If you assume that is the cost for an IT Consultant and a 5 man shop [Hint it isn't]).****Let's look at security. If I put my back office system on aws, and my office apps on Google apps, I, the owner with only average technical ability, have complete control over security. I can control logins and passwords thru the AWS control panel, and do the same on Google apps. ****Sure lets look at security.  If you are an average Joe, you won't even understand what needs to be secured or why.  So you will have the keys to the kingdom but not know what doors are open, what doors are closed or why or even who to give copies of the keys to.  &quot;Oh gee I want to do X, ah here is the button that says allow X&quot;  *Click*, &quot;What's that 'Set Security Button', nah that doesn't apply to me, I don't understand it.****Can I do the same with an in-house IT staff? Not unless I can handle Active Directory. How many owners or corporate execs can do that? Probably everyone in my IT staff is going to end up with the root or administrator password. Even the kid who comes in at night to run backups. And don't forget all the vendors with backdoors allowing them to log into the system for remote support.****First of all for a Five Man shop you will have one part time consultant, not a department.  Secondly, an IT professional will know how to set up &quot;Least Privileged access&quot;.  Third, the IT Professional will appropriately limit access by outside vendors.  Fourth, you will have a scapegoat if you follow the IT Professionals advise and are hacked (unless of course it turns out that you were social engineered to get access).****Now, what's more likely to get me into trouble with the authorities? A massive security breach on google affecting 100s of thousands of customers? Or someone on my staff slipping the root password to the kid from college because of a backup problem, and the kid taking some corporate plans and using it to buy stocks on insider knowledge?****The authorities will not care which one happened, neither will the people who's information was stolen (or their lawyers), since you are an average Joe, you will probably have your password taped to the bottom of your keyboard, or side of your desk drawer.  You will also probably share it with your secretary, add it to your phone, home computer (which is probably infected), tablet... All with no thought to security at all.  The lawyers will bankrupt your company and the Government will go after you, just in case there is anything left over.  But hey, maybe you will get lucky and whoever hacked your 'Cloud System' will just empty your bank account and you will be closed down before everyone is aware of the security breech (since it is highly unlikely that you will be reviewing security logs). Do what you want.  I have plenty of business anyway, and I don't see it going away any time soon.****]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 07:40:12 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Doug, some of the regulatory compliance is NOT possible with]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[out of house IT as the regs are very strict on the in-house storage. Thus going out to the cloud means you can't work in that field or with that type of data, end of story.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Deadly Ernest]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 06:13:19 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[How does a 5 person shop comply with all those regulations?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Do I hire a lawyer and a couple IT security experts? Or do I have a professional software firm set me up with a virtual server on AWS for a monthly fee? The first option would cost me 300 grand a year. The second option would cost me, say, a grand a month. Let's say there are some advantages for me to going to the first option. Is it worth paying 288 grand a year for? Let's look at security. If I put my back office system on aws, and my office apps on Google apps, I, the owner with only average technical ability, have complete control over security. I can control logins and passwords thru the AWS control panel, and do the same on Google apps. Can I do the same with an in-house IT staff? Not unless I can handle Active Directory. How many owners or corporate execs can do that? Probably everyone in my IT staff is going to end up with the root or administrator password. Even the kid who comes in at night to run backups. And don't forget all the vendors with backdoors allowing them to log into the system for remote support. Now, what's more likely to get me into trouble with the authorities? A massive security breach on google affecting 100s of thousands of customers? Or someone on my staff slipping the root password to the kid from college because of a backup problem, and the kid taking some corporate plans and using it to buy stocks on insider knowledge?]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 05:54:22 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Well ...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[If...&quot;It seems to me that a computer network, with all the possible points of failure, like dns servers, active directory, etc, is more likely to go down than google or the internet.&quot;  then...The data center has every one of the failure points you mentioned and about 50 more.  Now when they have a major failure (like Amazon and Microsoft cloud services have both had more than once) and your a little 5 man shop, I am sure you will be at the top of their priority list.If your company has to comply with? HIPPA, SarbanesOxley, or a ton of other regulations you will certainly have problems with Google doing your hosting (at least if you want to comply with regulations).  But hey, maybe your small company doesn't have to worry about that.Have you ever actually read the terms of service on some cloud services?  Many of them have the rights to parse your data, others even go so far as to claim ownership of your data.  But I am certain that your data is not that important to you in the information age.Oh, and most people don't think about it, but guess who is responsible for backups?  (Hint, it normally isn't the hosting company).What happens to your data if you miss a payment or two?  It just goes poof in a cloud (pun intended) of smoke, and your out 5 years worth of data.  Most small young companies can never recover from that.Yeah, that is just exactly what a young upstart needs.  Role the dice if you want to...The smart money will hire an IT Professional to choose, setup and maintain the proper solution for your specific situation.  The idiot with a pen may sign up for some cheap cloud service, but that is most often not the cheapest long term solution, nor is it the most stable solution.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:57:31 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Lucky Man]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I worked in an environment for 8 yrs. with hundreds of Macs. I can support any platform; I have no preference. HOWEVER - Apple had a serious logic board (motherboard to you PC people) and I had Ibooks coming and going day in and day out. PILES of boxes in the IT office that Apple shipped us after every support call to send them back for repair. Some my staff shipped back &amp; forth (6) times, before an Apple tech told them &quot;Oh! If the problem recurs more than twice, we are supposed to replace the iBook!&quot; Some were replaced - with refurbs. Just sayin'. Can happen with any hardware. There are a whole set of root commands to reset the Apple O/S, just as Windows has it's own. And IBM, etc. etc. As I said, you have been a lucky man. ]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[sslevine]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 06:41:25 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Chuckle]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[You ARE a funny guy! Thx, I needed a good chuckle about the &quot;Over the Rainbow&quot; approach -]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[sslevine]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 06:31:58 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Shifting Skills]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Hi - what this means, as with most evolutions, is that we must shift our skills to those that are most valuable.  In the case of the cloud we shift from rack, stack and maintenance to security and backup.  From less valuable to more valuable.  Cloud enables IT to focus on the value contribution components and outsource the less valuable.  Less costly it is not, more effective perhaps. .]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[nmaluso]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 18:35:23 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Cloud - Keeping your wine in other's bottles]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Total controllability is still a major concern by corporations with stricter requirements.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[chdchan@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 08:51:38 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[the actual stats show it the other way around, but with an]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[in-house option you can get it fixed asap, but when it's outsourced it's a real problem getting it fixed out of their hours.recent case I know of all servers for a pay site hosted in Canada. had a minor tech issue late on Friday Canada time. It was a long weekend in Canada and everyone went away early. It was 24 hours before the site owner could get a response from the hosting company and another 36 hours before they got a tech back into town and get the server working - problem fixed by cycling the system after switching to a new PSU unit that was working properly, total time on site 5 minutes. But site down for 64 hours instead of the half hour it would have taken if he'd kept it in house in the back of his office where he started it. That's a lot of lost business there.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Deadly Ernest]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 07:39:39 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Computer networks go down as well.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[For a couple hundred a month we have both verizon and cable internet connections. And even if they both went down the owner could always get to Google Apps using his cell phone. It seems to me that a computer network, with all the possible points of failure, like dns servers, active directory, etc, is more likely to go down than google or the internet.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[doug@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 07:24:25 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Yeah, I'm sure he'll NEVER hand it out to anyone like his secretary and]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[the system will be accessible 100% of the time due to a perfect always up Internet connection.Talk about a quick way to see the system fails.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Deadly Ernest]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 07:09:41 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Well, with Google Apps only the owner of the company has the admim password]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Compare that with the typical company where most everyone in the IT department has the administrative password. Or worse, the computer services company they contracted with for the network have the password. Imagine that. A company network where the owner or CEO directly controls all access. I bet they would like that. ]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 07:02:22 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Management]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[One of the real problems is management bypassing exisiting IT when making decisions about &quot;going to the cloud&quot;.  Cloud providers sell them on the idea that talking to their own IT is a waste of time because we're trying to save our jobs and they don't consider that at the same time the provider is just selling them a bill of goods.  There are a lot of things that could be made &quot;in the cloud&quot; that make sense, and a lot don't.Does the provider know anything about your business?  Backup?  Security?  Availability?  Call for help? There are trade-offs for everything.  Hey we outsourced email, great!  Look at the money we're going to save in 7 years.  What do you mean it will take a week and 6 levels of requests to get my name added to that group?  I used to just call you and it was done.That's the thing about clouds, you can fly your plane through them but if you don't have instruments are you really sure there's not a mountain on the other side?]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Chilidog67]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 05:07:32 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Business people do not understand what they are doing!]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Who knows where your data are stored? Who knows how honest are the people managing the cloud are? How difficult is to still the Social security numbers, addresses and account information from the cloud?  Medical history?  All you need to create a fake Cloud and you have it all. And when you find out, it is too late. Be serious, the hardware and software cost very little if you have a brain. And managing it is easy and cheap too. The problem is that top management people are computer illiterate, and the IT people have knowledge about a very narrow area.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[isimiryan]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 11:41:03 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Which post were you meant to be replying to?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Not to mention most browser security is about securing yourself from those who provide the service....]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Hopkinson]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 10:48:35 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[No way is mobile going to take off around the world the way you think,]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[as a mobile service to handle just me email would cost me from double to up to five times the same cost of Internet access via a wired connection. Like most of the world the wireless broadband is based on a per MB charge that is 2.5 times for the basic account level then 5 times for each MB above your monthly limit.And that doesn't get into the bit about there NOT being a mobile device that will handle my IT needs as there is NOT a 23 inch notebook on the market at a reasonable price and I need the big screen for what I do on a computer.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Deadly Ernest]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 10:28:22 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[You've probably never been in a business that had the scale...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[... of something that may have required a mainframe.If you did, you'd realize that the applications that could go mobile (or in your wishful thinking: need to go mobile ) is but a small portion of the exposed surface area in that IT infrastructure managed by their CIOs. They can't be retiring if they have to leave the stewardship of the corporate information assets in hands like yours.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[jimbo.starr]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:31:51 -0700</pubDate>
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