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10 reasons why Ubuntu 12.10 desktop blows away Windows 8

I use Ubuntu to extend the life of machines that seem to quickly become underpowered with following Windows release.

I was surprised that the author did not provide a link to Ubuntu's requirements. I think it would be helpful to the reader.

12.10 requires more resources to run than 12.04.

if you have machines 2006, then stick to 11.10 or earlier distros of ubuntu.
well, that or mint.

My "Linux box" at home is a rather low-powered netbox that runs 12.04 okay as long as I'm not doing much more than web browsing (which really is almost all that I do on it), but opening new programs takes.

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While.

I think maybe I'll have to give Mint another look.

I dual boot a 3 year old laptop with Win7 and Mint... works great! No plans to change.

You can get the benefits of the Ubuntu repository and kernel fixes etc., by just using Xubuntu (either directly install, or after installing Ubuntu, add xubuntu-desktop as a package).

You have a computer guru

IT DEFEATS THE CONCEPT OF "PERSONAL COMPUTER"

I am thermonuclear against LINUX.

So if you're "thermonuclear against Linux, DON'T run it! It's your choice. The rest of the world doesn't care.

Over the years I have tried Ubuntu and other distros however it never fails some required support file, driver, etc. diverts my attention and requires me to search, read, learn, try, troubleshoot and fail. Seems like with Windows those issues are less noticeable. That said, after reading your brief, I will now try the new version.

Not sure why everyone keeps saying that the UI has changed in Windows 8. Metro is just a full screen Start Menu...they desktop and all of your legacy apps are still there and are being developed still. I have been running it since the consumer preview and now I am running the RTM thanks to tech net. I also run Linux and Mac machines, Ubuntu was my distro of choice but after unity it just sucks, I try every new version but keep going to CentOS 6.

Then you can change the GUI.
it's not that hard to do.

I'm really struggling to see the real benefits over windows 8 as attempted to be defined here. Most if not all these features outlined by the author are already available in Windows 8 in some form or fashion. I detect a hint of bias in this article due to the lack of objectivity.
1. Why would I want the amazon search feature? If I want to search amazon content I include the amazon keyword in my google search or I go to amazon's site. Going to amazon's site is not that hard. This amazon search feature is not necessary and does not add any real value in my opinion.
2. Dash Previews. I invite the author to right click a file in the search results of ANY recent windows versions and see how many options he is presented with.
3. Interface based on efficiency. I don't think I get your point here. Are you saying that having to use the mouse as well as the keyboard while doing work will make your experience inefficient?
I could continue but it's all in the same vein. UBUNTU 12.10 is comparable to Windows 8 to say the most. It definitely does not 'blow windows 8 away'.

Although I prefer Linux to Windows at this point in time, I do agree that the title is exagerated. I tried and really don't like "metro" on my desktop, and I do prefer Unity if those were my only two choices. Thank god they're not!

I really wish "Linux advocates" had a more realistic and tempered way of presenting things. This over-the-top "advertising" is really creepy. For instance, the "amazon search" thing has raised an uproar of discontent directed at Canonical. That Mr. Wallen is saying it's a wonderful "feature" is a dubious decision. I don't mind an occasional "lipstick on a pig", but this article is looking to pick a fight (or a flame war).

Such utopic presentations aren't useful as they leave the new user arriving on Linux wondering where the hell is that supposed utopia. I'm not saying the author is not entitled to his opionion, but temperance in his presentation would be a good pratice.

People who think anything other than Windows is going to be the dominant desktop really are out of touch with reality. The same can be said about people who think it can be replaced on business desktops. Who cares? Open-source software is not about market share. Lots and lots of good tools in the open source realm. Good desktops even. But why does it even matter? If you dig Ubuntu...or any other distro....knock yourself out. But stop lying about benefits that don't exist.

However... its very simple & easy to turn OFF the amazon search. Takes 2 seconds

Jack Wallen has been hoping Linux will become mainstream for years. Saying it is a winner doesn't make it so.

Windows 8 is going to push Linux farther and farther to the fringes. Android (Linux-based) is not a full-fledged operating system. Microsoft will have a consistent UI (and kernal) from phone, to tablet, to laptop, to desktop, and to server. We can probably include the XBox gaming console too, but I've never used a gaming console since the original Atari so I really can't say for sure. Let's not forget Microsoft's cloud software: SkyDrive, Outlook.com.

Microsoft just about has the Holy Grail when it comes to a unified ecosystem.

Linux is great for appliances: firewalls, phone servers (Inter-Tel), iMacs, and other devices where you don't want users getting under the hood. Linux is wonderful for the folks that like to brag about how much smarter they are than other people. It's great for the folks that like to dance to a different drummer.

I've been dealing with PC's since the CP/M and MP/M days. I was there when each vendor had a different flavor of CP/M. It was not fun. It was not productive.

I do not have any Microsoft stock.

Except, of course, for how every Win8 Surface tablet available today won't, oh, do things like run Windows software. And how all the WinPhone 7.x devices are falling by the wayside. And how all those Win7 licenses MS is so proud of having sold you won't run any of the WinRT apps.

Not sure "unified" means what you think it does. HTML5, once the vendors get past trying to stall the key standards - now THAT will be a unified experience.

Yes. Unless MS goes ahead with the Windows 8 Pro version of the Surface. Anyone who wants to transfer apps from their desktop can get that version. Though I wonder if the RT units can "talk" to desktops in other ways.

I know for sure that RDP and Citrix Receiver style remoting will be available on RT ... but that puts it on the same basis as iOS and Android and Linux, in terms of running Windows apps.

RT being able to RDP and having similar superpowers as iOS and Android is cool with me. My intent was to get the [cheaper] Surface RT to do what a hipster-version of me would do with an iPad.

My current convertible-tablet can be upgraded to Windows 8 Pro to do all those desktop like things (run Access, GIS, 3D-modeling, etc).

Of course, "APPS" is the name of the game. Office is a good start but they will need to bring in some heavy hitters. If MS goes RT all over their Streets & Trips GPS program, I can take the Surface on road trips instead of taking my more expensive Win8Pro convertible.

I find no requirement to go beyond office 2007. Ergo, I would consider W8 if my Office product will run well on it.

I have a DOS app running on my W8 Pro (actually Enterprise) tablet.

web apps are already the primary use by most people including companies whether internally hosted or "in the cloud".
Web apps are no longer tied to Microsoft or Windows.

BYOD is the new buzz at most companies including the fortune 50 one I work for... because all of our applications are web based. so mac, windows, linux doesn't matter.. browsers do

I think Microsoft's problem is that its lost its "hold" on what computing is and what people use it for. W/out that monopoly like control... their future is going to be alot tougher than their past.

Microsoft has both locally installed programs and web applications. Office is available in both flavors. I don't think this aspect of computing is their weakness. Their shortcomings are in device coolness and "web entertainment" software/services.

Until you loose your web connection and, with it, your application work. This web app model is nothing new. It's what the old guys would describe to me as the norm (terminals and mainframes). But local programs is still the way to go... in this case, go anywhere. Work anywhere you want.

Cut the cord, kids! Your parents pulling on your leash everytime you tried to run in the mall is NOT the norm.

I am running Windos7 now and have bin trying to switch to Ubuntu for several years and I have both systems installed on my dual boot desktop. With each new release I upgrade and hope that I will be able to completely switch to Ubuntu. I did not like the Dash but I got used to it. My problem is always to find the right drivers for the hardware that I have. Widows 7 goes out and automatically finds all the drivers that I need. Furthermore, some of the simplest things to get accomplished in Window takes a lot of extra work in Ubuntu. One example is copying a section of a picture. In Window I just use a tool to select a square and do Ctrl C and Ctrl P into my application. In Ubuntu I have to go from point to point to select the four sides and then it may not be square. I also have problems with Mail Merge. I have to search for everything in Ubuntu (maybe I am still on a learning curve) but in Windows I can get things done in a few minutes where it would take me half an hour or more in Ubuntu to do the same thing (Except Thunderbird and Firefox - I use both in Windows and Ubuntu). I have also been with computers since the days of CP/M and BBS'S and I do not like Microsoft and their hard-nosed ways (the likes of the former IBM dominant computer giant) and would love to get away from Windows entirely. I even tried some of the programs to run Windows programs from within Ubuntu but always there are several that I cannot run. Sometimes I have problems with Firefox where some sites will not display or run everything on the site and I have to use Explorer to get don what I want.

I do think though, that eventually the Linux based Ubuntu will replace Windows the way that Microsoft replaced IBM as the dominant computer operating system and Microsoft will go the way of IBM.

The ability to do emails, browse the web, write office documentation such as spreadsheets, podcasts, slide presentations etc, will be present in every product that we know or will appear. In all likelihood, if Linux takes a bigger share of the Market, MS will release a Linux version so as to not lose its bread and butter product. Office products will be the next race.

Glad to read that Ubuntu is becoming more and more a very viable to Windows, and for Windows-8 in particular for business and serious personal PC users. It will be interesting to see if, how, and when Microsoft responds. If they want to give business away to their competitors, that is their choice to make. But, it is axiomatic that when you lose business, it is so much harder to get it back.

"Jack's primary focus is on the Linux operating system and its effects on the open source and non-open source communities"
says it all really...........total and uttter load of codswallop I appreciate that Ubuntu is a good OS, but it is no where ready for what Win8 has to give.!.Why on earth does TR make stupid statements of this ilk...rather dissapointing somewhat.

I understand your feelings, at least I am trying to (am having some trouble with it, though). Your article has a very funny title to be honest. Could it be possible that you could curb your enthusiasm a bit and give your article a bit more of a realistic and fathomable title than "..blows windows away" ? I've noticed a trend of articles and blog posts online using nice vocabulary and a morbidly garish use of tech keywords to make it sound like the author knows what he is blabbering about. This article is one of those. Amazon.com search results in my face? No, thanks, I don't use it and I am sure a lot of people don't. How is it a feature? Just...How? *sigh*....

" If the file is a document, the preview will allow you to open the containing folder, open the file, or email the file."

Wow, ingenious. Windows never really had it...Windows 8 especially doesn't have it on the wall where you right click on it and is presented with many options at the bottom. Oh Windows 8 doesn't have it. *SARCASM INTENDED*

" I can attest, after using Unity since it first launched, that 12.10 is the most efficient desktop interface I have ever used."

Of course, Bill Gates and Steve Jobs (did) crave YOUR opinions as they are obviously expert opinions. *SARCASM INTENDED AGAIN*

"Ubuntu 12.10 has Web services directly integrated into both the Launcher and the Dash, making it one of the most well connected interfaces on the planet. The simplest example of this is the ability to have the arrival of Gmail announced in the notification area."

Sorry to burst your bubble but that integration has been introduced in Windows 8 as well. With the mail metro app, I get the email notifications on my desktop, at the top corner and it's a Windows issued notification.

"To take this to a new level, it decided to allow users to share files with others via Share Links. This feature lets you copy links to files within your UbuntuOne cloud storage and share those files with other users"

Read this, please:
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/windows/3360327/how-share-photos-files-windows-8-skydrive/

AND OUCH, I can't play all of my games on the "blowing" Ubuntu, at least not with 100% gaurantee or using the full potential of my graphics card.

Ubuntu is good, Linux is good. It's open Source, it's beautiful, perfectly suitable to those who don't have to play a lot of games and those who don't have to use applications which rely on Wine.

But really, don't make yourself the target of justified ridicule by choosing the title that you did for your article.

Thanks.

...this is funny story, if Ubuntu is so fine and good OS there's no need to compare it with any other, specialy not Windows 8. Big differeces are, so, that's good, people can choose and make their choises. Some of us likes Windows, good or bad OS, and some likes Linux,,,take what's the best of both of them...don't salt my mind about "mine is bigger"...that's stupid. Can't talk anybody in. We can try both of these and decide what is better for us. You keep on with Ubuntu, I want to give a chance to Windows 8, and I belive everybody should do the same. After that, we can talk.

I can't stop laughing after seeing the "amazon search" feature listed as the first reason why Ubuntu is going to beat Windows 8...haha.

Please, to whomever in charge on approving publish in 10 Things. Please don't ever let articles like this published online. It's going to ruin the good reputation on a site I really love.

Thanks in advance.

This 'comparison' is laughable and is a typical response from someone that dislikes Microsoft products 'on principle' as opposed to disliking them based on a mature debate of the features.

1 - Amazon Search. Hmm. Yes, great if you like shopping on Amazon. On Win8 you could use 'Bing Desktop' to search the ENTIRE internet, not just one site.

Actually, it's a waste of time to say any more about the other points which are equally blinkered. I agree with the post from overscaled. This article is junk.

Actually it's even betteryou can just open the chams bar, click search type in what you want to search for and Select where you want to search, Bing, Skydrive, apps, settings, Windows app store, contacts, maps and so on.

If Amazon releases an app, you can search in that aswell.

Windows 8 runs games.
Ubuntu? not so much.

Windows also has a LOAD of software that the Linux community can make mimics of.

If you're using a PC to surf and listen to music, Ubuntu as an OS is excellent.
it even lets you get a little fancy and do some neat stuff, should you feel the urge.
but will the average user feel comfortable using it?
noooope nope nope.

windows is what people use,
so they inherently feel more comfortable with it, even after a new version is installed.

the reasons you listed, author, don't really apply too much to a normal user.

That is all...

Number 1... Amazon Search. Now that's important? It would be about number 500 or so on my list. Now that I think about it, not on my list.

I see nothing that comes even close to Windows 8 in your Ubuntu offering. Are you sure you worded that headline the right way round? This question of using fingers or a mouse, does not Windows 8 allow you to use fingers as a mouse and keyboard ? I must confess that I have not used Ubuntu 12.10 but I see nothing there that would draw me away from Windows

Sorry, but it's still Linux and on the server - yeah, ok, but the desktop - fail. I appreciate all the hard work by Ubuntu and if that's what floats your boat - go for it. I'll stick with Windows (by the way, 8 is pretty dang neat! 7 is the way to stay, though, at the moment if you are a gamer). Just sayin'...

Normally the Linux guys get out in support of these sorts of articles. I can't remember a flame-bait article like this that's had such little support for Linux in the comments.

I certainly agree with others that there's not much in this article to suggest Ubuntu is going to blow away Windows 8 (which, of course, is not the only option. Many - probably most - people will stay on Windows XP or 7). And the language in the article is far too strong.

As someone that logs into servers all day long, the Remote Login feature sounds interesting to me. Having applied more thought to it, I don't know that I would actually use it. There are certain people out there that would appreciate it a lot, but it's not a mainstream feature that's going to drive people away from Windows.

I agree with the author about app installation. Windows has remained old-school on this for a long time. I believe they are introducing an app market with Windows 8 so perhaps that's about to change.

As for the other 8 points - they are all very weak. I can save two clicks when I want to search Amazon??? Wowee!! I actually agree that a good API around this could open up a lot of cool integrations in the future. I seriously doubt companies will be investing time to do it for Linux though. When such an API is built in to iOS people will start using it.

Dash Previews? Do you realise every advantage you listed has been available in Windows since, what, 2000?

Efficient interface? I didn't see a lot that sounded game-changing. I'd expect Ubuntu to have better keyboard support given the nature of its users. Windows has always had pretty good keyboard support too. Very few people actually use it though, so again it's hardly going to drive people away from Windows.

Integrated web services - do these need setting up. If so, wheres the advantage of just installing the existing applications that do this for you already (I remember using a toolbar app that notified me of new gmail messages several years ago).

UI change - yeah, this could certainly be a sticking point for Windows 8. History shows that when Microsoft releases big changes like this people hate it, but a few years later couldn't imagine going back. In any event, this isn't a differentiator. In fact, your description of the changes in Unity sounds like you were describing Windows 8! A massive/contentious change, but you can go back to the old way if you want to.

Same interface for tablet and PC - I'm not sure how you missed this, but Windows 8 is doing this too.

Performace - Windows 7 and 8 both make great use of hardware, and run on low-performance machines.

File sharing - I would have thought Dropbox has this market cornered. And I tend to believe in monopolies for these sorts of things - it works best when everyone uses the same system. Perhaps something new will come along and replace Dropbox, but it will take a platform with a critical mass (like iOS) to make that shift happen. It doesn't even matter if the Ubunut file sharing is superior.

Overall, this is a disappointing article, but not unexpected from Jack.

Have you tried NoMachine (NX Client for Windows) to log in to your Linux servers? Between !M and webmin there is nothing lacking from remote login.

I have been using Windows 8 Preview Release and seriously like it very much. And the Start Screen doesn't pose a problem, for me anyway. I had Ubuntu 12.04 installed and, despite being able to tweaking it, I didn't gel with the style and ended up switching to Mint 12, which I like better.

The Amazon part is great if you live in the US - what about Amazon.co.uk?

I cannot see much difference in 12.10. But Windows 8 was what really impressed me the most. I think it is a matter of opinion, taste, and so on. Mint will be kept on my Computers, I have been looking forward to the release of Ubuntu 12.10 but I feel a tad unimpressed as I was expecting more. Yet October 26th is what I am looking forward to the most.

Again, personal taste and I think that both offer 'some' things the other doesn't.

Can I run Mint from a USB flashdrive (like Ubuntu)?

If not I guess I can try it using Oracle's VirtualBox program.

2 youtube video that explains how to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02jP2Bf-DPU&feature=fvwrel&continue_action=N-vaJu8efAxkG3wDTZxgLJJzzL08vZqzU3xm0u4J5t_J5ugMQevQLBqrFy5EJ11P7eUisW-dxpW7WtK2eCBxMq9nAq6ATO9buyyBzR6VRvM=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_398099&feature=iv&src_vid=02jP2Bf-DPU&v=bwyeRWmAf7Y

See above.

Mint 12 (and before) was the only one that could be installed as Mint 13 Maya has to be used via an ISO file. So I had to use a 'Virtual Clone Drive' to install it: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/20079/install-linux-mint-on-your-windows-computer-or-netbook/ I don't know why Mint 13 Maya chose no other way to install it.

Mint really is good looking, but when I went into it yesterday and installed the updates, it slowed down to a snails pace. I uninstalled it and will probably go back to Ubuntu. Mint though may work Ok for you.

You forgot the other HORRIBLE releases of Windows including 95, 98, NT, 2000, 7. Curious. You seemed to have left those out. You must be happy we're all using Ubuntu nowadays. After all these years people know how horrible Windows has been the past 18 years. I'm glad they all saw what you did and switched over.

The author asks at the end of his article: "What other factors do you think make one platform better than the other?"
I'll tell you what is a huge factor for me: I want to have the freedom of working with the much maligned "proprietary software" if I want to. Ardent supporters of "free software" movement would tell you that with Ubuntu or other flavors of Linux you can do everything you can do with proprietary software. You hear things like: "Gimp is just as good as Photoshop". What they mean is that you can do (almost) anything you can do with proprietary software. Sure, an old Lada, a Yugo, any Toyota model and a Ferrari can all take you across the US. It's OK with me if driving a Lada or a Yugo makes you feel ideologically pure. I'll take the Toyota, thank you. I'll take the Ferrari if I can afford it.

I find the unity desktop slow and clunky. Why would I want to search amazon as part of a general search? Perhaps Jack has access to very fast internet, bloody slow on satellite!
The first thing I do with Ubuntu is to install XFCE....suddenly it is fast and functional. I must be old fashioned but I can do without the pretties.

All those points are fine, for the home user. However, practically all corporate / business environments use Microsoft products, which don't run so well on Ubuntu, not even in Wine. Try Outlook 2010 for example, its just about the most used application for many and no Linux expert I ever met got it to work properly in Wine.

Many enterprise apps that are browser based are only supported in IE, so Firefox is often a non-starter.

Before people start saying 'develop your apps correctly for multiple browsers then', many large companies are still using Win XP and AS400 as the upgrade costs are ferocious. It would be far more expensive to migrate Windows XP to Linux than Windows XP to Win7/8, even if you exclude retraining the 250,000 employees to use it.

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Try Outlook 2010 for example, its just about the most used application for many and no Linux expert I ever met got it to work properly in Wine.

The above is a classic error when people switch to Linux. They try to Migrate software from windows to Linux. Never try to migrate windows to Linux but look for alternative software then you will succeed. There exists some apps that are multi platform, but still differs slightly in Linux.

For Outlook you can try Thunderbird. It has many add-on for free that make it compatible with MS exchange server and is easy to sync you calendar to Google calendar. And believe me, it has many feature that you not have in Outlook

Regarding Firefox you need to tweak it a little bit in order to make it compatible, especially for some java script. Google a bit.

Sure, there are alternative email clients. There are alternatives for most applications. But you're blowing a massive hole in your "3. cost u nothing" argument. Sure, there are no licensing fees but that's not where the cost is. The cost is in time. Time to test the alternatives,to document the new system, to train users, to hand-hold users in doing things that you have already documented and trained them in (because it doesn't matter how clearly you document things - it will always be easier to call tech support than to read), and time to overcome any issues (does Thunderbird talk to Exchange? Does OOF work? How do we migrate across existing mail? What about auto-complete addresses? What do we do about features we currently have that just don't exist in the new system?). Now do this for all the other application you can not use on Linux. Even for a very small office, that adds up to a big expense.

This is why your first post is so far off the mark (well, apart from the incorrect 'facts' you asserted). Not being aware of all of the above issues is being ignorant. And heck, talk about putting the cart before the horse... you haven't even made a case for why someone would go to all the effort of finding and learning all these new applications instead of sticking to Windows.

I don't see your points as issue. If you have test tunderbird you will have never post yur comment. What you think is missing in thunderbird is not missing. The only thing missing in thunderbird is the send and receive window, who isapparently showed in the activity manager.

quote; because it doesn't matter how clearly you document things - it will always be easier to call tech support than to read

Reacting on above, people alwy call on it on new and old system. See my sencond post "Second Opinion".

Beleive me, migrating from Outlook to Thunderbird cost you nothing and it is free. Give a try.

I have used Thunderbird. In a previous job I used to use it exclusively. It was usable, but not a particularly pleasant experience back then (about 4 years ago). I last looked at it last week - it's interface has come a long way. It looks quite nice now.

It seems as though you are talking from a home-user point of view, because you keep saying that it is free to try. That's only true if you place no value on your time. In most businesses the biggest cost is wages. As an example I look after the IT for a number of small businesses that aren't big enough to have a full-time IT staff member. I charge in the $80-$100 for most clients. Just off the top of my head here are some things I need to do/consider if I want to move from Outlook to Thunderbird:
- Download Thunderbird and install it on a computer
- Find the best Exchange addin for Thunderbird, download it, install it and configure it (if there are multiple addons I may need to test several).
- Figure out how to get existing mail (which, for most clients, includes archive PSTs on a local drive) into Thunderbird
- Figure out how to auto-setup the users email account (or document it and deal with the calls from people that can't get it working)
- Figure out how special features, like OOF, calendar sharing, opening other people's mailbox as an additional, distribution group support (users can manage their own distribution groups through Outlook if I give them permission - can Thunderbird?), figure out how to get auto-complete email addresses (the N2K file) into Thunderbird, figure out how to move tasks, rules and junk email settings over. And many of my users have SharePoint lists in Outlook. Does Thunderbird support that?
- Come up with a migration plan, and keep users in the loop and distribute documentation.
- Then do the migration, deal with all the issues that come up, and then work out any bugs in things that don't work right (and there will be bugs... even Outlook has bugs and pretty much everyone with an Exchange server uses Outlook. Thunderbird and any addons needed won't have anywhere near the testing Outlook has had).

If you think you're going to convince me that the cost to do all that is nothing you are delusional. Heck, just brainstorming and writing this comment has taken 15 minutes. From experience on migrations of other software, I can estimate doing the above would take me at least 15 hours. To do it properly (documenting it well, planning the migration well, and including all the teething issues) you could easily double that number. For my clients, the cost would be $1200 - $3000 in my time. If a company had their own in-house IT staff the hourly rate might be half what I charge, but they would likely spend longer to test and document things better. And that's not including the cost of lost time it takes all other staff to move over and deal with teething issues (instead of doing their actual work). And it's also not including the cost of the lost features (you may say Thunderbird has the same feature set as Outlook, but it's not true. Without doing any research I'd be pretty sure that there's no way to connect a SharePoint list to Thunderbird - something many of my clients do with Outlook).

Believe me, I will not spend my time with you. Due I charge USD 200 @ hour and keep replying to you wil spoil my earnings!!!!

Computer and Network Administrator and IT Consultant.

Just as a point of interest, there was a guy that worked for a relatively small real estate company (about 15 PC users). They had an Exchange 2003/Office 2003 environment. This guy was a big open source fan and put a proposal to management to throw away their existing software and move to open source replacements (the same thing you seem to be advocating here). Even though everyone in that company is very tech-illiterate they could all see that this proposal was bananas. They sacked him, and now my company looks after their IT.

The lessons I take out of this story:
* Don't go changing what people are comfortable with (unless you have a *very* good reason).
* Don't go preaching your personal preferences
* If the new solution truly is as good as you believe, let it stand on its merits... don't exaggerate and lie (are you listening, Mr Wallen?)

Lesson number 2
if someone fails in the attempt does not mean that everybody will fails.

If "success" means completing a migration away from a full-featured and well-tested product, and it cost you $3000 more (see my post above) than sticking with the more appropriate solution, you'd better think a bit harder next time before deciding to take on the project.

That's rich! Most people don't know about Linux, Ubuntu, (or even Windows 8, yet). There's no booth in a mall anywhere where they let people demo UbuntuBooks (tm) or tablets running Ubuntu. There are no TV or radio ads. There's no way for most people to know what this is or how it can help them. And because of that no one is creating useful software for it. LibreOffice is not the Justin Bieber of Computerlandia. The Chinese aren't even opening counterfeit Ubuntu Stores in Peking or Shanghai... which apparently is standard of knowing you've "made it". It's possible more [old] people know about OS/2 Warp.

You are right that there are no "counterfeit Ubuntu Stores in Peking and Shanghai"...why should there be when the Chinese can pull down the distribution for free?

In reality, many years ago the Chinese created "Red Flag Software" which was much the same as Red Hat Software, and was sold in the government's Post Offices. Over time this migrated to Asianux, which was a joint creation of China, Korea and Japan.

A lot of GNU/Linux people in China also use Debian, as well as other distributions.

It is true that many more people in China use pirated copies of Windows than they use GNU/Linux. However, as the government cracks down on PC piracy due to WTO requirements (piracy has dropped from 92% to 84% over the past few years), the number of Free Software users grows.

As to whether there are any PCs in stores running GNU/Linux in stores, the reason there are few stores showing this is the same as anyplace. Most "computer stores" do not sell computers...they sell shelf space. As long as a majority of the people come into the store and are happy taking home a PC with MS Windows on it, they will continue to stock Windows PC, since they only have so much shelf space. It has nothing to do with the "goodness" of the OS. And since GNU/Linux users know that they can install their OS on the "Windows PC", they do not demand the in-store PCs run GNU/Linux in the store.

Companies and government in China have to pay for their software (under WTO rules), so we may see them go to GNU/Linux faster. And this does not even consider the fact that under current economic conditions, there will be fewer and fewer reasons for the Chinese to ship billions of dollars to the USA to pay for software that they have no control over.

Wow. Irony goes right over you, doesn't it? Let's move past the peoples' party and go straight to Best Buy. It's a store. They sold tons of WinPCs for years and then someone there decided to sell Macs. Now they sell Macs and PCs. This cascaded to iPads. Which resulted in Android tablets. Now there's Chromebooks. So there's plenty of "shelf space" as you calls it. But there's still no Linux. Why? Because no one knows what it is. You can get all highfalutin and banish regular consumers to the nerd dungeons but you're missing the reality of it all. Linux does not exist on the minds of the populace.

... of information available. Advertisements are not the only or even the best source of information. If people are dumb enough to think ads are educational, they have bigger problems that the OS the choose.

Ignorance is a choice and those that choose it deserve everything they get. I'm over holding peoples hands, they should grow up and think for themselves.

I don't think you should call people 'dumb' unless you're willing to apply that to yourself. Advertisements are just a way to find out about something. Word-of-mouth, periodicals, and seeing someone else with something are ways to learn about new stuff, too, but neither beats out advertising in speed and distance.

There's no one who can research a topic/object/person they've never heard of or didn't even knew existed. How do you search-engine "Linux" if you've never heard of the word?

Clearly, as a person who doesn't know the meaning of "educational" and "ignorance" you shouldn't be holding people's hands for any reason.

Advertisements are a way to try and convince people to buy your product. They are not a source of reliable information.

How do you discover things? By reading widely, reading non-advertising content that is. By being interested in everything and spending time investigating new things. By keeping up with the scientists and researchers who discover and invent new technologies.

In other words by choosing not to remain ignorant and by not expecting someone else to think for me.

Right. Because Tech Republic gives us non-biased information about new things. I guess there could be such a thing as non-advertising content... in magazines and websites... with advertising to keep them running. Sure, smartest guy in the world, I see you've thought about this thoroughly. PS: Ever wonder if this particular article is trying to convince us towards the author's bias? Wait, I know you're answer already: "Nope".

Ever heard of Science magazine? Ever heard of textbooks written for educational purposes? Just because it's not shoved in your face doesn't mean they don't exist. Make an effort to find things out.

"6 to 8 hours to setup and configure the [Windows] system
manually."

You must be doing it wrong.

When you Installing windows it comes plane. To install some basic software to make the computer ready to use (Office, Adobe, flashplayer, 7zip, etc) and patch all windows update from Windows update or from script take above the 4 hours.
I use slipstream CD with service pack 3 and I know how to slipstream all patches in to the cd (DVD). But when we compare apple you need to compare it with apple.

Therefore If i take a plain Windows CD with a plain Ubuntu CD and install in on the same machine the fact is that your Ubuntu system install faster and is ready to use with office apps, pdf apps , compression apps, etc.

Test ububtu 12.04 with an open mind and post back. I'm doing nothing wrong. My experience with computer is average. I'm a Network and Computer Administrator, Software Designer and IT consultant. When I post something it is not just a comment but based on experience.

"1 Easy and fast installation"
It takes a bit under 30 minutes to install Windows on low-end modern hardware. Ubuntu is about the same.

"2 Ready to Use"
I don't disagree with the heading, but your assertion that it takes 4-8 hours to configure Windows is miles off. I personally have an auto-installer program (that uses silent install switches and offline installers for al lmy programs), so it takes about 20 minutes to install all software. Even without these I couldn't imagine taking 4 hours to configure a machine. If it took me that long I'd be sacked!

"3 Cost u nothing"
I've already posted about this, but even if you ignore the fact that 95% of the worlds PCs include a Windows license, and that LibreOffice is available for free on WIndows too (yet, and this is a hint, virtually everybody prefers Microsoft Office), you still have the massive issue of time. The cost of change is huge and unless you place literally zero value on your time, generally isn't worth it.

"4 No antivirrus required"
A fallacy, and Windows has an excellent anti-virus system available at no cost (even for business users).

"5 Ubuntu has improve in many way to install and to look for application. "
There's an app store for Windows 8. (I certainly agree Windows has lagged behind in this area though).

"6 Last but not least, the best OS kernel in the world is Linux."
A circular argument. What's the reason Linux is the best? Because it's the best!

"7 Effecient with Memory Ram"
Windows ain't bad either. It's requirements have hardly changed in 7 years.


In the end, the question of which OS is best doesn't actually matter that much. What people tend to ask themselves is "does this OS offer enough benefit to outweigh the cost of change?". While the cost of chaging to Linux is as high as it is, don't expect swarms of people to go changing. You know what - some people actually have more important things to do with their time than arbritarily change OS'.

I told you, have a look for your self

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WOW! Talk about your ultimate nerd-out!

1- You lied above about slipstreaming. I still install Windows XP fairly frequently, and even when I use an SP2 disc I never see anything like 231 updates needed. (I DO see well over 100 even when using SP3, which is pretty appauling in itself).

2- Posting a log file of times is pointless without stating what hardware it is running on. That logs shows it taking 1h 42m to install Office 2003 SP2. I'd be surprised if even a Pentium III took that long! And reboot time jumped to 21 minutes after installing the software. I auto-install most of that software on most new machines I set up, and I don't see a noticable increase in boot time after doing so. Something seems awfully wrong with these numbers.

FYI

You do not need Antivirrus on Linux. The system I use does not have antivirrus. The only reason you have antivirrus on Linux is when you are sharing a network wint Windows computer. Not to protect them self from virrus, but to clean up the mess of windows compter.

Why Linux kernel is best, because you can not hack it from a pc using windows os. If you manage to do that, the method you use is bootable. But guy, did you know that almost all hackers are using linux?

Ubuntu Desktop Edition
700 MHz processor (about Intel Celeron or better)
512 MiB RAM (system memory)
5 GB of hard-drive space
VGA capable of 1024x768 screen resolution
Either a CD/DVD drive or a USB port for the installer media
Internet access is helpful

Windows-8 system requirements 64-bit (x64)
CPU with 1 GHz
20 GByte Hard disk space
2 GByte RAM
DirectX-9 graphics Card

Windows-8 system requirements 32-bit (x86/x32)
CPU with 1 GHz
16 GByte Hard disk space
1 GByte RAM
DirectX-9 graphics Card

And back in the land of reality:
"Freshly installed 12.10 is pretty sluggy on my 2.2G dual core. I like using unity, but get irritated with its lack of responsiveness"

That's taken from a post below, and it doesn't seem to be an isolated experience. Everything I've read suggests 12.10 requires a beefy machines.

As you can see I'm not so quick as you think. I take my time to investigate before I post.

Bye the way, many It and analyst are not optimist about windows8.
1They fear that it will fails the same way that Windows Vista did.
2 Due financial and economic problem companies will not migrate to windows 8.

This is the point that Jack was talk about: not everybody will accept it and or try to migrate to this system

"As you can see I'm not so quick as you think. I take my time to investigate before I post."

Then you should understand how much time is involved in a switch from Outlook to Thunderbird, and recognise that there's a very real cost in doing so.

"Bye the way, many It and analyst are not optimist about windows8.
1They fear that it will fails the same way that Windows Vista did.
2 Due financial and economic problem companies will not migrate to windows 8."

I'm not an analyst, but I agree. I see no reason for any of my clients to upgrade to Windows 8. Heck, many of them are just finishing the move to Windows 7. It takes time to do testing and get images set up. I'm not keen to do that again for a new OS. Most or maybe all of my clients will skip this version. (The cost of change, and need for cost/benefit analysis apply just as much to Windows upgrades as they do to Linux).

"This is the point that Jack was talk about: not everybody will accept it and or try to migrate to this system "

No it's not. There was one sentence in the introduction along those lines, but the whole article was about Ubuntu's new features, not about how Windows 8 will be accepted.

In the past when trying out the past versions of Ubuntu the initial experience was impressive. However ended up removing it after failing to make the Ubuntu PC coexist with Win Pc's on the home network. File sharing and printing on a network printer can be a challenge. Anyone try installing a scanner on an Ubuntu PC? May try Ubuntu one more time and see if the integration experience is any better.

Every single point you've listed is available in Windows 8. Specific functionality introduced in "Dash" might not be available in a similar Windows 8 "Dash" application, however it's not impossible to do. You mentioned search and play music, cloud storage, performance, web search from the OS, similar experience on PC and Tablet? How blind are you, of course Windows 8 has this, and in fact, it's all pretty simple to use if you spend more than 5minutes on the OS.

Your blog is biased and not relevant!

Or should I say the UI formerly known as Metro. Dash is just the Mac dock, less the pretty. I downloaded 12.10 (12.1?) just to see what JackWallen was talking about. It works. It worked on my HP tablet. You can install it on a USB and run it on most anything. But it's still Linux... 'nuff said? So off we go:

1. Amazon. Who cares? It's not the center of the universe. It's not even the website at the end of the universe.
2. Dash Preview. Useful, a bit gimmicky. I personally make my filenames descriptive but a lot of folks do not.
3. Interface efficiency. I guess a Mac user from 1995 will feel at home using 12.10. The menu doesn't travel with the window it stays on top. The Dash kinda hides which file's currently open.
4. Remote login. Logging in and then calling up RDP isn't a time consuming job. But maybe for a Linux user remotely accessing a more useful Windows PC to do real work, it's a godsend.
5. Google. Really? The company says "don't be evil" which coincidentally is the motto stitched on the welcome mat at the League of Evil's Citadel of Doom. Google tracking built into my IU is not a welcomed feature.
6. Installation. I installed a small app from Ubuntu but then I couldn't find it. It was an cosmetic app. I couldn't tell if I installed it or just merely downloaded it. So... I'll figure it out later.
7. IU slow evolution. Let's call it that. It's the way Apple keeps its aging demographic (kids who act like they're 80). If they had pulled a Win8 change their users would've called it groundbreaking and got in a long line to buy it. But this is MS so it's cooler to trash it.
8. Same interface. Is this point 8 or 7.5? Do I need my tablet interface to match my server's? Meh. Switching back and forth isn't a bother for me as much as it is for my grandfather. (Who's not allowed to touch my server. Grandpa, no! NO!)
9. Performance. I only did medium level stuff but it did run that quickly/smoothly. I was running off a flashdrive and the only slow part was the boot-up. Will it ever run a 3D modeler super fast? I don't know - does it run modeling software?
10. Share links. Uh, SkyDrive? Is that what we're talking about here? I think iCloud can do it too. Either way I don't use the cloud for personal/confidential use. I imagine a future where one could store their medical info there and call it up when needed. I can also imagine the League of Evil accessing my med data, too. Maybe a prospective employer or the government even.

Like I've always said: Linux is good for specific applications. A drone control app. An in-car computer system. A way for R2D2 to talk to elevators on the most powerful space station in the universe, maybe. But as an everyday desktop for the masses. IDK. Neither does anyone else because it never gets advertised on TV or radio or at stores. There's no Google Chromebook for Ubuntu that Samsung can market to the peoples. So...

Don't get me wrong. I like Ubuntu. I have a Mac at home and run Ubuntu on some of my home machines as well. My wife's machine is Windows 7. Without MS Office you don't have a mainstream PC. I used Libre/Open Office for years but if you do anything in a business setting or get any kind of documents from other that are even mildly complicated, Libre Office does not cut it. The other issue I have is in the race to compete with Windows Ubuntu has become big and slower. I used to be able to save old PCs and run the latest Ubuntu on them and they worked great. Now have I have to old versions because the latest and greatest versions require a pretty well equiped PC. I thought that recycling old PCs was one of the areas where Ubuntu should make inroads to get people to try it out and be converted. I am still pulling for Linux....

That last part seems like an opportunity. Imagine how many people simply toss their old machines because newer Windows isn't supported on them. If they can be cleaned up and fitted for Linux there's a chance one can get extended use out of these. Maybe in poorer nations where allegiance to Windows is not an issue. LibreOffice can run their businesses.

That's about it. The rest are not selling points for me. As most everyone mentioned, putting Amazon as number one pretty much shot down the rest of the article, and Google integration definitely made me think twice that I don't want to come anywhere NEAR this thing! Long live Xubuntu 11.04 and XP

The inferiority syndrome from Linux users is so sad.....
It's really an amazing platform, for servers, devices and specific purposes pcs.

Grat, if I am only going to browse the web and create forms from Open Office or Office Libre. That limits my use of a device. What about all the apps I need to run at work? Might as well just have a cheap andriod and do the same thing

Jack, Please save what is left of your name and reputaiton and just let everyone know this was just a JOKE...
Ubuto has many great features, but the reason people pay for MicroSoft is the interconectabilty of software and Hardware, combined with a pre existing understanding of how the OS works. Wether experianced teckies or simple soccer mom home users, there is a base of knoledge that you just cannot get around.
There may be many good and usefull things to Ubuto but even if it does set up faster, if you need to "Tweek the settings" to get it to work it is a non starter for the majority of users. And if you need to retrain your staff, it is a non starter for corporate users.

Built in propriatory search on a spicific e-commers vendor. If MicroSoft did that you and the Ubuto commmunity would be up in arms about colusion, and probably rightfully so.
If I want to seach for something I do not want you / your Ubuto putting Amazon on the top of my seach. Just a Joke.

If History is a grand teacher, then we really shouldn't listen to Jack Wallen for anything about Windows:

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-linux-features-windows-should-have-by-default/1194

And all the hate after that:
https://www.google.ca/search?q=jack+wallen+windows+7

Obvious troll. I have my reasons why I like black pens more than blue, but I don't want to start a stupid argument.

None of the 10 items are a justification for choosing Ubuntu over Windows 8. None! If you are going to write an article like this, you should first try to understand why someone would want Windows 8. Sorry man, this top 10 isnt worth the time it took me to read it.

Please don't forget about Mint 12

For personal use sure, although that's a stretch for me since gaming is what I do on my days off. But more a major issue for me in the corporate environment is support! Yes I know there are users and pros out there willing to offer support however they are not obligated to do so, there is no SLA, and I can see my self getting a head ache just to aquatint myself with a new environment not to mention if a real serious problem pops up. Another issue is accountability, since its open source who is accountable?

But Amazon? I don't personally know anyone who wants Amazon to be included in search results. In fact, I know many people who would scream for a fix to disable this if were 'on' by default!

Have you even used Windows 8? Most of this is either matched or surpased by Windows 8


Amazon Search: Windows 8 can't just search a potential Amazon app, but any app that supports it, if you want to you can search a cookbook app for chicken right from your desktop.

Dash previews: Windows 8 can open location and open files from a search, the only thing it can't do is to email them.

Efficiency: anyone who actually lets themself learn how Windows 8 works very well for everyone from casual users to power users. Windows 8 works great with mouse and keyboard.

Remote login: that's a cool feature that Windows does not fullt have, but you still have RDP in Windows 8, it's just not that easy

Integrated web services: Windows has had the notification ever since IE9 was released, you can pin websites to the taskbar and it will notify you when something happens, you can also right click these and jump deeper into the website. For Outlook.com you can jump to Skydrive, Inbox, Calender and Contacts in addition to Files, Newly Used Files and Shared Files

The search for Google apps can be done in Windows 8 aswell if Google wants it to. They can simply create an app that links into the App-system, and you will be able to search this from the same search tool that search for everything else. One search, all the content, seems to be a better sollution to me...

App installation_ Windows does this aswell. Open charmsbar click search enter cookbook and select store and you get the results.

UI: In Windows 8 users can still use the desktop just like they do in Windows 7. For those users the start screen is nothing but a improved start menu. Also, there is a video of a 3 year old using Windows 8....

Same interface: You're kidding me right? How is that any different from Windows 8 which has the same OS on both tablets and desktops. You'll just use it differently. On a desktop an above average user will live in the desktop. Casual users aswell as tablet users can live in Metro.

Performance boost: Lots of improvements in Windows 8 aswell, kinda hard to meassure this between operating systems

10: Altough this isn't built into Windows 8, you can easily share content from skydrive.com, and I wouldn't be surpriced if this is added to a future update of the Skydrive app.

I started using ubuntu just recently. It was a requirement for an on-line course I'm currently taking. Before this I never really had a reason to give Ubuntu a try.

Anyway, I approached ubuntu with a open mind, ready to give it a try and make the most of it. I even purchased an ebook to learn how to properly use it. After a month of using it on a daily basis I have to say that I don't see a reason to retire my Win7 Pro machine.

To some people it may even sound like "blasphemy", but the good and the bad of both systems feels very similar. I dare say even familiar.

Its OK to like something, I mean, really really like something just like Jack Wallen seems to like ubuntu. Sorry Jack, but the article does feel heavily biased. A lot of us got to play with the Win8 developer release, but being objective the final version of Win8 has not been used by the masses yet. I'll say its a little too early to declare Ubuntu supremacy.

When I first read about Ubuntu 12.10, i immediately wanted to downloaded and installed it. But the second part of my wish list was not easy. After singing praise of Wubi for so long suddenly Ubuntu developers decided to ditch it. So I had to format my disk and dual boot it along side with windws 7.
Immediately I had to search the internet because my ntfs partitions were not recognised automatically. forum says its a bug, so install ntfs drivers. I did. But now I have read only access to ntfs. all my documents created with windows 7 are read only. so I have to copy them to ubuntu if I want to change them.
After two days brainwave struck, and I reinstalled Ubuntu. This time I disconnected the inter-net. It took only 10 mintures to install and voila. everything works. I can see and use all the files on ntfs partitions.
Everything is fine. But Libre Office still fails me. I opened a documents created in MS Word 2010 with Libre Office. It was a project I was working on. So I added few chapters and next day tried to continue my work from windows 7 MS Office 2010. But the document is not opening now. and Yes I have saved the document in Ubuntu as MS word compatible format and not in odf. ( I am old hand with linux by now). So I opened ubuntu again and Libre office can read the docx file. So I had to copy paste in my google doc the whole thing, so I could use it in MS Office again.

Amazon search is useless for us in India. As it is it doesnot serve any purpose and at best we can call it crapware or adware. rest of the 9 features are available every where on every OS worth its salt.

Mr Jack Wallen, don't write about ubuntu if you do not understand what it is. Especially when you have not used it yourself for a considerable period of time. Linux community is quite helpful. As a user I always find remedy for every bug. But to write this kind of article.... ah.. thats amature. A little more research and a little careful choice of word will do wonder for you. Otherwise join tabloid. They love to sensationalize. BLOWS AWAY WINDOWS 8...INDEED.

I say this with all kind intent ... but his descriptions in this article are so weak that he's not giving most people a chance to even understand what he's saying. You have to already know exactly what Ubuntu/Unity/Dash offer to have any chance at all of understanding what features he's (vaguely, indeffectively) pointing at.

Instead of "You can search Amazon!" he should describe more clearly how Ubuntu is providing for integrated search of content on your device, in your cloud, and available on the web - starting with Amazon content, but heading beyond that, and with community contribution for plugging in other sources.

Instead of his description of how Dash makes keyboarding better, he should clarify that he's talking about are not just the file/app search kinds of features that other OSes also have, but also the integrated menues from apps - unique to Ubuntu at this point - that permit keyboard menu activation in applications without resorting to memorized hotkeys.

For "integrated web services", he should describe how the approach gives you a much more flexible "live tile" like approach, not limited to things you can get from any particular store - how Ubuntu has established a standard, implementable by any website (and already implemented by a couple dozen of the most popular websites on the net) so ANY website can express itself as a live tile - without having to create an app.

For remote server login - well, done good there.

For UI consistency across tablets/PCs/laptops - he should clarify that there's no "are you RT, or aren't you RT" divide in getting to apps, in how apps look, in how you interact with them, etc.

He needs an editor. (Imho)

Even Mac OS9 beats the pants off of Septic 8

If someone who wasn't in open source blogged how good Ubuntu 12.10 is then I would taker a look - but it's Jack Wallen.

It is laughable as well. For example in #10, he compares Ubuntu's cloud offering with Dropbox. What is this nonsense about links? If I drop a file into Dropbox and with a couple of clicks i can give any user a direct link to the file.

Hey Jack. Have you actually used Windows 8 or just took someone whining word about it?

"I have noticed a significant increase in both performance and reliability" - OK Jack, how many days have you used Ubuntu 12.10 to call it reliable and stable? Come back after a couple of months. Oh and that means 12.04 is unstable & unreliable [compared to you limited testing of Windows 8].

I've been loving Ubuntu 12.10, and I know a lot of people are having trouble upgrading from 12.04 so I created a step-by-step easy to understand guide with screenshots so they can start enjoying Ubuntu 12.10 without the nightmare of upgrading. Check it out and let me know what you think!

http://www.maknesium.de/guide-upgrade-ubuntu-from-12-04-lts-precise-pangolin-to-12-10-quantal-quetzal

Did you know? Hardware manufactures pay or have some agreement with MS to signed their drivers. This came about because of popularity, meaning, the more people use, buy, promote an application the more manufactures will support the platform.

Therefore, if you want your favourite hardware to be supported on Linux, then start using, promoting, educating people on Linux. Simple maths, really.

The title should really be changed to "10 Openions on why Ubuntu 12.10 desktop blows away Windows 8". This is more like advertising your opinion.

the butchered security with the default sudo config using a USER password to access ADMIN tools instead of a separate ADMIN password is insane.

the requirement of the GNU Network Object Model Environment ( GNOME for the uninitiated) [ worst ui ever designed ] makes it as bloated as possible, for poor performance every time.
[ gnome lost any credibility when I first looked at it and got ERROR messages on a non networked system, BECAUSE is was not networked, back in 1998 ]

I bet most people that have never even looked at Linux, coming from a windows only experience, would find PCLINUXOS or Mandriva far less of a learning curve. but then, both use the windows clone KDE [ as bloated as gnome is now ] so at least half the ui is familiar right from the start.

to bad no one major distro defaults to the cleanest, most efficient ui option, Enlightenment. no task bar, no start menu / menu bar, just click on the "desktop" anywhere to get the menus.
and you can ADD those widgets you find most useful to your desktop and they will load every time you login. But E isn't a desktop environment, it is the back end of one, a window manager. means it provides the functionality, but doesn't force a specific workflow on you.

THIS AUTHOR IS A CLOWN! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Unity. Ubuntu. Mint. Lime. Xubuntu. Lubuntu. Chromium. Vanilla. Flow. I am all about diversity, can't get enough of it. But seriously do you ever wonder why Linux has not gone mainstream?

That was just an observation. Diehard Linux fans put the razorblade down, now.

I think Jack had good intentions however just got over zealous when writing this article. Jack, maybe next time count to 10, relax and then write your article. Based on initial feedback that I have gathered on various blogs, boards, talking with people, most people do not like the Metro style interface of Windows 8, though some do. Does this mean the end of Windows; no but it most likely means the people will stay on Windows 7 longer. I upgraded from Ubuntu 12.04 to 12.10 yesterday and it was quite easy, in my quick analysis, it seems a little faster. Im not crazy about the Amazon search but its not a big deal either way. I will play around with Ubuntu some more and get a better feel for it in the coming days. I dont plan to upgrade to Windows 8 as I believe Ubuntu can do the things I want but time will tell. If Ubuntu and Linux in general want to become more main stream then they need to advertise as the majority of people dont really know anything about it.

Much of W8 is simply change for the sake of change, with some of the changes offering no improvement, but just change for the sake of change. Many of my clients are angry about this.

... tell us how you know what the designers were thinking?

How do you know that their intent is "change for change sake" which what you say?

Sorry, but there are no mind readers, and attempting the impossible is obviously never clever.

I wrote a 10 point reply, and then it hit me and then I started laughing!

Guys, This article is comic relief, a smart and clever satire OF the typical linux user!. - Jack you almost had me, Haha!

I agree with Mr. Wallen, but for different reasons. Although the 10 things Jack listed are neat,
here are ten more... fast, easy, secure, cool, open, LibreOffice, stability, scalable, community, free

I conclude from all posting the following
1 Many people have not test the resent Ubuntu 12.10 and or a nearest distro's, but they comment. Nor have they test Windows 8. Therefore before you post anything test both and come back

2 Lot of people always want to have it easy. Although many people today's have windows, they have always their IT or someone else to show them the most stupid things, like how to play their movie for example. I agree with you that you need to search a little bit to run Linux at first, but once you learn to manage it then it will be easy to run.

3 Lot of people does not like learn something new. When you have born you learn to speak and read, but when it comes to computer they never open their browser to search how to solve their IT problem. They use their computer for entertainment and pay the IT to do the research work. Or some are afraid to fail in process.

4 Linux do not have the fair chance. If there was a possibility to learn Linux at school like windows do then windows was never become so popular then like it is now. The same way people have learn use Windows the same way could happen to Linux if there was a possibility.

5 Microsoft contribute to person will never change to other system. Microsoft manage to make their OS the most User Friendly by minimizing the use of command, that is a plus. Therefore many people think that the way computer should be manage is by the way Microsoft design their OS. Therefore, some people get stuck when they need to process some command.

What ever the above your situation I suggest everybody again to be open mind to any Linux distro's.

"...before you post anything test both and come back"

There's nothing in the article I see that needs you to have used either Ubuntu 12 or WIndows 8 in order to reply. Heck, maybe the new Amazon integration has the slickest UI in the world, and a perfect API. I still don't need to play with it to know that it's not a feature I want to use.

"...they have always their IT or someone else to show them the most stupid things, like how to play their movie for example. I agree with you that you need to search a little bit to run Linux at first, but once you learn to manage it then it will be easy to run."

So people that can't figure out the most basic thing like playing a movie in Windows and can't be bothered Googling how to do it should... switch to Linux and Google even more stuff! The root problem you've identified is people not being willing to try for themselves. I fail to see how moving to a new OS solves that problem.

"Linux do not have the fair chance"

Well duh! Of course Windows is taught in schools. That's what 90% of businesses use. The point of school is to prepare you for life. I don't think you'd have happy students if you decided to teach on Linux, or BeOS, or any other marginal OS.

"Therefore, some people get stuck when they need to process some command."

Yep, people are scared of the command line (think of it as a positive - you look super-geeky when you hack away at that prompt!). I'm not sure why you have such a hard time understanding that people want tools that are easy to use and don't need deep knowledge or searching the Internet to do basic things. This isn't unique to Windows. iOS pretty much nails easy of use and it's been a runaway success. And there's plenty of precedence in the physical world too. Would you want to have to Google how to record a show using your new PVR? Or read the manual to figure out how to change the browning setting on your toaster? I know I wouldn't. Give me the interface that is consistent and easy to understand, thanks.

"What ever the above your situation I suggest everybody again to be open mind to any Linux distro's"

That's fine, but what's in it for me? If you want people to switch there needs to be a pay-off. "You get to re-learn all the things you already know how to do on Windows" is a hard-sell. As has proven the case, you'll get a bunch of geeks that enjoy learning new systems, but it's not a sales-pitch that will work in the mainstream.

Freshly installed 12.10 is pretty sluggy on my 2.2G dual core.
I like using unity, but get irritated with its lack of responsiveness.
Ive also installed Xubuntu and Cinnamon for when
i want the relief of some speed.
I especially like Xubu as i can arrange the panels to mimic unity, of course
minus all of the itegration stuff, which
is pretty cool, but that i dont use oftern, yet.

I would like to see Can buff up the performance a bit.
Unity isnt that much eye candy.
I dont under stand why it should take sooo much horse power,
although the task manager doesnt show that much being used,
way less than 100%
I confused!

This article misses the whole point like so many "Linux is better than Windows" articles. I couldn't care less whether I run Windows or Linux or OS X or BSD. It's just an OS to me. I'm completely OS-agnostic.An OS is simply a means to an end. And the end is the application. I, as well as many PC users, need and want applications (many of which are commercial) which are written for the Windows platform. No amount of polish or stability or speed any other OS has over Windows can persuade users to switch until this fundamental issue has been addressed.

It doesn't matter what the desktop looks like if the underlying OS won't run the programs I want / need / am required to use.

I'm amazed this discussion got this far before someone pointed it out.

I recently had a potential client ask me what kind/cost server they should get to organize their lab process. They are a water quality testing lab. My response was, what software fills their need. Hunh? What a unique idea. Last I heard, they're off to check out a similar lab to see what THEY are doing.

I bet, unless it's strictly a file server, the more advanced lab is NOT using Linux.

Jack Wallen is a joke. He throws out crap to see what sticks. I've never seen a response from him to any comments to any of his blogs.

I have to wonder if he gets paid for his crap. If so, I'd like to apply. I, too, have a lot of crap that I need to spread. Getting paid for my crap would be a bonus.

Otherwise, the local sewage treatment plant has to process my crap.

Jack...get a life. You obviously do not have a real world job.

Happy holidays!
Mark

Just tell me you really aren't serious about this report.........

I never did like the Unity interface when it first came out in 12.04 but I thought I'd give the new version a try. I really wanted to like it but it still doesn't do anything for me.... BUT the REAL problem for Linux is that some things just don't work! I tried to play a DVD movie - won't play. I've had other versions of Ubuntu [and other varieties of *nix] play DVDs without a single problem, but this one won't work. Always seems to be something wrong in most *nix distributions which is why it does not have a mass appeal.

The year is 2012 and Mr. Wallen engages in some sort religious OS flame.

Time to grow up. I am in IT for 14 years now and this juvenile nonsense never ceases to amaze me.

I guess it is time to move beyond Tech Republic

I wonder if he spends the time to read the responses to his blogs. I respect Ed Bott, Mary Jo Foley, and Donovan Colbert for responding to the people that take the time to read and respond to their blogs.

I too prefer authors who engage with their audience. Isn't that supposed to be one of the great advantages of the web?

...but the situation has to be right. I am not a Linux fanboy. Neither am I a Windows automaton. I just need to get things done. I like and have done some fairly nice Ubuntu/Linux network deployments with up to 30 clients plus a server box or two. For business startups who need some basic business functionality Linux is great. I would LOVE to LOVE Linux...but I just can't. For all their attempts and claims of something similar to active directory and/or Group Policy...it just isn't there. Open/Libre Office is great for some basic things but writing complex custom reports that pull data from a SQL server, nothing beats Access if you know what you are doing. If none of your customers/vendors use Open/Libre Office and like the rest of the world use MS Office and use it to make dynamic linked documents then the free office solution is great for internal use but the business world usually isn't like that. Until Linux can run the required software of the real world and do it reliably AND offer a real world method of centralized control and automation for a large scale domain network, Windows in some flavor is going to be the ticket.

I AM however, very intrigued by a number of open source ERP solutions, several of which offer many of the same features as Great Plains and Mas-XXX including the ability to login and do real work via a web interface. THAT has potential. I recently switched over some of my financial and invoicing over to OpenERP and have been doing real time invoicing while onsite...pretty cool given how many thousands I would need to spend to do the same thing with a Dynamics product. I have been considering doing a write up of my experiences with it and submitting it to a site like TechRepub.

All that said...Windows 8 is a non-starter for me. I will let the rest of the bleeding edge adventures play with it, crash their customers servers and waste their time restoring backed up data while figuring out the bugs and which older business software is supposed to be compatible but really isn't and blah blah blah. After a service pack or two is complete I MIGHT think about it as a viable, sellable, supportable product.

In the mean time, I have too much real work that has to be done and done now to play with new toys or try and turn a novelty OS into an enterprise level network OS.

When you measure your download speeds in kb's and sometimes b's rather than mb's /sec not needing to update virus definitions daily is a huge plus. Even bigger for those that want to use flash disks to transfer files and have no internet access to update their AV.

I have installed Ubuntu on hundreds of machines here and generally the learning curve for ex-Windows users is "no, you don't use a dvd to install your printer, just plug it in". Once they get past that we're done.

Libreoffice works just fine for me and everyone that I know. Granted it takes more work to make a border of flowers but then I don't really ever do that.

For those people here with old old machines I have a copy of Ubuntu with the LXDE on my flash drive that I can install. All the software with a very light desktop, I've gotten it running on a machine with 128mb RAM.

For those with several very old machines and one good one it took me about an hour to learn how and to setup a network with 10 very old machines running off a descent computer over the LAN. Very handy for schools that get a bunch of computers donated that are running windows95. (true story, we get a lot of donations like that here).

Maybe now that Microsoft has decided that their clients, Dell, Acer, etc..., will also be their competitors, those manufacturers will stop subsidizing MS and install more Linux which can only help the community grow.

As for gaming. I believe I read that MS wants 30% from programmers to be in their store. If the game programmers were to start releasing the Linux version for 30% less and a week earlier we'd see a rapid movement to linux in that market.

...about the gaming market. I will drill it down a bit further and say that the one big obstacle to that happening is all the various distros that exist. No one is going to want to code and test for 5 various flavors of Linux. If one of those distros (say, Ubuntu) were to strike up a deal with Blizzard and help them port over some of their more popular titles to run completely native in Linux, you might really give the OS a major boost.

"No one is going to want to code and test for 5 various flavors of Linux."

Don't need to, they all use the linux kernel, the rest is the UI. So you have to create one installer, let's say RPM and the rest, DEB for example take about 30 seconds to convert. Not a huge investment in time.

Adding to the why. Language flexibility. Not only can I change the language at the install I can add other languages and one of these days I just might let my students loose to add the local language to the repository.

Reading more of the messages. About the only thing LibreOffice doesn't open well is embedded scripts in a document. Tell you what, I don't want to open documents with embedded scripts, I really hate virus attacks. The guy concerned with using a user password rather than an admin password for system config? I got news for you, that user password works for that only if that user is the admin or a user given admin rights. All other users can only change their particular preferences. Speaking of security, what do you have to do in windows to have an encrypted home folder? Because if it isn't encrypted it can be easily opened in seconds. Ubuntu gives you that option.

Real world aps. go to an EU or many other European sites and see how many offer everything in ODT format rather than DOCX. Once people get over the it's free can't be good model they find the can live without MS. Pulling data from an SQL server. If you know what you are doing PHP writes great reports that cross platform.

"offer a real world method of centralized control and automation for a large scale domain network" What do you want to do? I use webmin with virtualmin and usermin to provide email accounts to those on my network not connected to the net, I use CRON jobs for updates during non-peak hours. I have a local repository to update peoples software without going to the net and I do all this from my desk. I suppose I could even do it from my android phone if I had a mind to.

Migrating from outlook to thunderbird is hard? Clicking "import from outlook" is not all that tough.

Yes, windows does some things better than linux but not very many and linux does some things better than windows and linux isn't telling programmers it get's a 30% cut.

There is no real substitute in Linux. I can add a fresh out of the box PC to the domain and without touching it again it will be ready for any end-user to begin using in about 30 minutes. Their local account will already be set up and ready to go complete with all windows updates and all company software installed. If they had a PC previously, all their "local" drives, files, and email will be there as soon as they log in. In fact, any user can log into that PC and get access to their email. They can use all their regular software as well so long as they are a member of that dept. I don't have to do anything to that PC other than hook it up and join the domain. I can even move that PC to another dept. and the software and printers available to it will change accordingly without my having to touch 1 setting or manually install one piece of software or driver.

To my knowledge there is nothing in the Linux world that will do all that.

I have to agree with the other commenter's - Amazon Search is more likely a plus for Microsoft than for Ubuntu. My first experience with it was installing 12.10 on a customer's laptop. I needed to get to the terminal, so I started typing in Dash. All I got were several books available on seemingly related topics available to buy. What the freak!! I don't need retail suggestions when searching for programs that should be on the computer! Next thing I did was uninstall that completely ludicrous lens! I'm all for convincing people to switch from Microshaft to Linux, but lets stop taking marketing strategy from politicians and be truthful instead!

There are more than enough reasons to switch to Linux than easier Amazon searching! Oh, and that customer's laptop? Has Fedora 17 on it. Wiped the Ubuntu install, which had issues with their HP laptop. Fedora runs beautifully. Was easier to install than Vista (which it came with) or 7 - other, good & realistic reason to switch...

I've been on the M$ side of things since its carnation... yes, there have been bumps in the road as for every OS. It's possible to use any OS for free... nuff said. My interest in ubuntu (any linux OS) is that it is a convertible, the footprint is small and it can do the same things as with any other OS,

Apple and M$ has a marketing agenda whereas linux has none.

Let's see if an Apple or M$ can mimick another OS. I am a programmer and I am just interested how it is accomplished. I am interested in the lastest & greatest techniques of how apps are developed and there have been many techniques which have come and gone,,, and good ol' linux using the same old tools which can do the same and/or more.

An OS or the flavor is not that important, granted for noobs it is (getting it to work with their hardware), but an OS which is really free just ought to be explored and if it can help those who cannot shell out the bucks, let's try to delivery an experience which is on par as any other OS and learn from those who done it without any agenda.

Within itself an app (OS) has to satisfy the user using it.

Sorry but I just don't agree with this article. I love Ubuntu. I love Windows 8. I have both of them installed on my computer. Your points of "blowing windows away" are bad. Amazon Search? Really? Like I can't do that from my browser, or even the site itself?

Gradual change in UI? HA - Good one

"Ease of app installation" - Ubuntu has had that package manager in every version I've ever used. Windows has not. They have to start somewhere, then build up from there. Also it's not meant to have programs in the same way as Ubuntu, being that the programs in there have specific design requirements and have to be re-written from scratch in some cases.

Having gone from 10.10 to 12.10, that is a HUGE jump, and not a nice one either (in my opinion anyway). Similar in comparison from going from Windows 7 to Windows 8... Just not as drastic.

Or simply be appended with the words "For Linux Users"

what i really don't need, is that all i do is shared with the net. so excuse me, i will not update from 12.4 to 12.10.
i don't need dropbox or ubuntu one, i have usb-sticks. i don't want, that everything i type is logged by amazone - if i want to search amazon i just open my google bookmark, otherwise i go to ebay or else for shopping. i don't want to sponsor ubuntu by selling my data to amazone. an other thing i noticed: some time ago (weeks) on the software center occurred a change. the front-page with proposed new software has pilled up with pay-software - it used to be freeware. has the money-making app-hype arrived in utopia? seems so. i'm just a user, not a developer and don't have to live on selling software, but linux seemed to be the free-mans-paradise, with a communist touch - everybody working together for a better future. now it's becoming paradise lost.

i use ubuntu on a daily basis and have learned that its pretty buggy. If i can compare it to osx I would say that osx is much better for a web development environment because of all the amazing apps that exist on osx. Ubuntu might end up being amazing in the future but its going to take time by users adding more apps and having it be more stable. As far as windows goes i'm surprised their still not using a unix foundation. That whole c:/ crap has to go

Sorry, but I am having real difficulty trying to keep from laughing after reading this article. Amazon Search is one of the ten reasons it is better than Windows 8. Seriously????

1.Amazon search : Where is that an improvement ? Privacy intrusion is an improvement ? What if I don't want commercials ? To me, and many others from OS world, it is a great error to include amazon in Ubuntu.

2.Dash previews : hum, have you ever used Windows ? file previews in explorer exists since XP...

3.Interface based on efficiency : What you found efficient in Unity, wasn't that efficient for many, many people. Linux Torvalds included. Same as Windows 8 modern UI, some love it, others hate it.

4.Remote login : It also exposes your external accounts to anybody who gets access to your laptop. It could be your lil bro... or a thief who just stoled your computer ! Combine this with a weak password, and you get the picture. Better use a RDP client once logged into your account.

5.Integrated web service : ever heard of gadgets ? Ever heard of active tiles ?

6.Ease of app installation : before commenting on Windows 8 store, you must know that it was done so that people could only install metro app from the store... Pretty much like the apple or android store. I hate that, many do. Also, you might find this wonderfully useful, but try installing something that's not in the repo. You'll get confronted to the old dependency hell, something that doesn't exist in Windows.

7.Remembering how funny it was to read linux zealots arguing, I really doubt you could qualify the Unity/Gnome 3 ui change as "gradual". Really, lol.

8.Same interface from server to tablet : well, that's the point. That's what you don't have a start menu in Windows 8 anymore... In which remote country have you been living ? Have you EVEN tried Windows 8 ?!! Also, for desktop use, server kernel isn't really optimal. Though Linus thinks it is, Con Kolivas doesn't, and he proves it. Learn about the great story behind the Brain F*ck Scheduler (BFS).

9.Performance boost : Windows 8 has great kernel optimisation... You can't see it if you haven't tried it...

10.Share Links file sharing : ...ever heard of Skydrive ?

Sorry, but when you want to compare two things, you need to have basic knowledge, no deep knowledge of what you're comparing. Your article just shows how undocumented and ignorant you're about Windows, and even Linux. If I was Torvalds, I would have long told you "you're a moron, you better go die somewhere alone".

And finally this : "I fully believe this will be the release that opens the eyes of the public at large to Ubuntu"
That's what is said at each Ubuntu release, yet another proof of how much of a linux zealot you are...

I upgraded to Windows 8 then took it off and went back to Windows 7. I then decided to try Ubuntu. I'm new to Ubuntu but familiar with the old DOS terminal command line which helped me navigate Ubuntu directories and install software. I was impressed with the server capabilities and being able to use Ubuntu as a back up machine, video streaming device or web host. I like being able to access the Ubuntu server on my desktop through a web browser on my laptop and copying files over the LAN. I'm learning PHP and Javascript so it allows me to build applications locally then move those applications to the internet provider saving me time and bandwidth. I know a lot of these features are free or available on the Windows 8 platform but I just hate the new Windows 8 GUI which drove me to Ubuntu. In my opinion, Ubuntu 12.10 is an awesome FREE operating system and server but it's not for everyone just as Windows 8 isn't for everyone.