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Grat, if I am only going to browse the web and create forms from Open Office or Office Libre. That limits my use of a device. What about all the apps I need to run at work? Might as well just have a cheap andriod and do the same thing
Jack, Please save what is left of your name and reputaiton and just let everyone know this was just a JOKE...
Ubuto has many great features, but the reason people pay for MicroSoft is the interconectabilty of software and Hardware, combined with a pre existing understanding of how the OS works. Wether experianced teckies or simple soccer mom home users, there is a base of knoledge that you just cannot get around.
There may be many good and usefull things to Ubuto but even if it does set up faster, if you need to "Tweek the settings" to get it to work it is a non starter for the majority of users. And if you need to retrain your staff, it is a non starter for corporate users.
Built in propriatory search on a spicific e-commers vendor. If MicroSoft did that you and the Ubuto commmunity would be up in arms about colusion, and probably rightfully so.
If I want to seach for something I do not want you / your Ubuto putting Amazon on the top of my seach. Just a Joke.
Ubuto has many great features, but the reason people pay for MicroSoft is the interconectabilty of software and Hardware, combined with a pre existing understanding of how the OS works. Wether experianced teckies or simple soccer mom home users, there is a base of knoledge that you just cannot get around.
There may be many good and usefull things to Ubuto but even if it does set up faster, if you need to "Tweek the settings" to get it to work it is a non starter for the majority of users. And if you need to retrain your staff, it is a non starter for corporate users.
Built in propriatory search on a spicific e-commers vendor. If MicroSoft did that you and the Ubuto commmunity would be up in arms about colusion, and probably rightfully so.
If I want to seach for something I do not want you / your Ubuto putting Amazon on the top of my seach. Just a Joke.
If History is a grand teacher, then we really shouldn't listen to Jack Wallen for anything about Windows:
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-linux-features-windows-should-have-by-default/1194
And all the hate after that:
https://www.google.ca/search?q=jack+wallen+windows+7
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-linux-features-windows-should-have-by-default/1194
And all the hate after that:
https://www.google.ca/search?q=jack+wallen+windows+7
Obvious troll. I have my reasons why I like black pens more than blue, but I don't want to start a stupid argument.
None of the 10 items are a justification for choosing Ubuntu over Windows 8. None! If you are going to write an article like this, you should first try to understand why someone would want Windows 8. Sorry man, this top 10 isnt worth the time it took me to read it.
For personal use sure, although that's a stretch for me since gaming is what I do on my days off. But more a major issue for me in the corporate environment is support! Yes I know there are users and pros out there willing to offer support however they are not obligated to do so, there is no SLA, and I can see my self getting a head ache just to aquatint myself with a new environment not to mention if a real serious problem pops up. Another issue is accountability, since its open source who is accountable?
But Amazon? I don't personally know anyone who wants Amazon to be included in search results. In fact, I know many people who would scream for a fix to disable this if were 'on' by default!
Have you even used Windows 8? Most of this is either matched or surpased by Windows 8
Amazon Search: Windows 8 can't just search a potential Amazon app, but any app that supports it, if you want to you can search a cookbook app for chicken right from your desktop.
Dash previews: Windows 8 can open location and open files from a search, the only thing it can't do is to email them.
Efficiency: anyone who actually lets themself learn how Windows 8 works very well for everyone from casual users to power users. Windows 8 works great with mouse and keyboard.
Remote login: that's a cool feature that Windows does not fullt have, but you still have RDP in Windows 8, it's just not that easy
Integrated web services: Windows has had the notification ever since IE9 was released, you can pin websites to the taskbar and it will notify you when something happens, you can also right click these and jump deeper into the website. For Outlook.com you can jump to Skydrive, Inbox, Calender and Contacts in addition to Files, Newly Used Files and Shared Files
The search for Google apps can be done in Windows 8 aswell if Google wants it to. They can simply create an app that links into the App-system, and you will be able to search this from the same search tool that search for everything else. One search, all the content, seems to be a better sollution to me...
App installation_ Windows does this aswell. Open charmsbar click search enter cookbook and select store and you get the results.
UI: In Windows 8 users can still use the desktop just like they do in Windows 7. For those users the start screen is nothing but a improved start menu. Also, there is a video of a 3 year old using Windows 8....
Same interface: You're kidding me right? How is that any different from Windows 8 which has the same OS on both tablets and desktops. You'll just use it differently. On a desktop an above average user will live in the desktop. Casual users aswell as tablet users can live in Metro.
Performance boost: Lots of improvements in Windows 8 aswell, kinda hard to meassure this between operating systems
10: Altough this isn't built into Windows 8, you can easily share content from skydrive.com, and I wouldn't be surpriced if this is added to a future update of the Skydrive app.
Amazon Search: Windows 8 can't just search a potential Amazon app, but any app that supports it, if you want to you can search a cookbook app for chicken right from your desktop.
Dash previews: Windows 8 can open location and open files from a search, the only thing it can't do is to email them.
Efficiency: anyone who actually lets themself learn how Windows 8 works very well for everyone from casual users to power users. Windows 8 works great with mouse and keyboard.
Remote login: that's a cool feature that Windows does not fullt have, but you still have RDP in Windows 8, it's just not that easy
Integrated web services: Windows has had the notification ever since IE9 was released, you can pin websites to the taskbar and it will notify you when something happens, you can also right click these and jump deeper into the website. For Outlook.com you can jump to Skydrive, Inbox, Calender and Contacts in addition to Files, Newly Used Files and Shared Files
The search for Google apps can be done in Windows 8 aswell if Google wants it to. They can simply create an app that links into the App-system, and you will be able to search this from the same search tool that search for everything else. One search, all the content, seems to be a better sollution to me...
App installation_ Windows does this aswell. Open charmsbar click search enter cookbook and select store and you get the results.
UI: In Windows 8 users can still use the desktop just like they do in Windows 7. For those users the start screen is nothing but a improved start menu. Also, there is a video of a 3 year old using Windows 8....
Same interface: You're kidding me right? How is that any different from Windows 8 which has the same OS on both tablets and desktops. You'll just use it differently. On a desktop an above average user will live in the desktop. Casual users aswell as tablet users can live in Metro.
Performance boost: Lots of improvements in Windows 8 aswell, kinda hard to meassure this between operating systems
10: Altough this isn't built into Windows 8, you can easily share content from skydrive.com, and I wouldn't be surpriced if this is added to a future update of the Skydrive app.
I started using ubuntu just recently. It was a requirement for an on-line course I'm currently taking. Before this I never really had a reason to give Ubuntu a try.
Anyway, I approached ubuntu with a open mind, ready to give it a try and make the most of it. I even purchased an ebook to learn how to properly use it. After a month of using it on a daily basis I have to say that I don't see a reason to retire my Win7 Pro machine.
To some people it may even sound like "blasphemy", but the good and the bad of both systems feels very similar. I dare say even familiar.
Its OK to like something, I mean, really really like something just like Jack Wallen seems to like ubuntu. Sorry Jack, but the article does feel heavily biased. A lot of us got to play with the Win8 developer release, but being objective the final version of Win8 has not been used by the masses yet. I'll say its a little too early to declare Ubuntu supremacy.
Anyway, I approached ubuntu with a open mind, ready to give it a try and make the most of it. I even purchased an ebook to learn how to properly use it. After a month of using it on a daily basis I have to say that I don't see a reason to retire my Win7 Pro machine.
To some people it may even sound like "blasphemy", but the good and the bad of both systems feels very similar. I dare say even familiar.
Its OK to like something, I mean, really really like something just like Jack Wallen seems to like ubuntu. Sorry Jack, but the article does feel heavily biased. A lot of us got to play with the Win8 developer release, but being objective the final version of Win8 has not been used by the masses yet. I'll say its a little too early to declare Ubuntu supremacy.
When I first read about Ubuntu 12.10, i immediately wanted to downloaded and installed it. But the second part of my wish list was not easy. After singing praise of Wubi for so long suddenly Ubuntu developers decided to ditch it. So I had to format my disk and dual boot it along side with windws 7.
Immediately I had to search the internet because my ntfs partitions were not recognised automatically. forum says its a bug, so install ntfs drivers. I did. But now I have read only access to ntfs. all my documents created with windows 7 are read only. so I have to copy them to ubuntu if I want to change them.
After two days brainwave struck, and I reinstalled Ubuntu. This time I disconnected the inter-net. It took only 10 mintures to install and voila. everything works. I can see and use all the files on ntfs partitions.
Everything is fine. But Libre Office still fails me. I opened a documents created in MS Word 2010 with Libre Office. It was a project I was working on. So I added few chapters and next day tried to continue my work from windows 7 MS Office 2010. But the document is not opening now. and Yes I have saved the document in Ubuntu as MS word compatible format and not in odf. ( I am old hand with linux by now). So I opened ubuntu again and Libre office can read the docx file. So I had to copy paste in my google doc the whole thing, so I could use it in MS Office again.
Amazon search is useless for us in India. As it is it doesnot serve any purpose and at best we can call it crapware or adware. rest of the 9 features are available every where on every OS worth its salt.
Mr Jack Wallen, don't write about ubuntu if you do not understand what it is. Especially when you have not used it yourself for a considerable period of time. Linux community is quite helpful. As a user I always find remedy for every bug. But to write this kind of article.... ah.. thats amature. A little more research and a little careful choice of word will do wonder for you. Otherwise join tabloid. They love to sensationalize. BLOWS AWAY WINDOWS 8...INDEED.
Immediately I had to search the internet because my ntfs partitions were not recognised automatically. forum says its a bug, so install ntfs drivers. I did. But now I have read only access to ntfs. all my documents created with windows 7 are read only. so I have to copy them to ubuntu if I want to change them.
After two days brainwave struck, and I reinstalled Ubuntu. This time I disconnected the inter-net. It took only 10 mintures to install and voila. everything works. I can see and use all the files on ntfs partitions.
Everything is fine. But Libre Office still fails me. I opened a documents created in MS Word 2010 with Libre Office. It was a project I was working on. So I added few chapters and next day tried to continue my work from windows 7 MS Office 2010. But the document is not opening now. and Yes I have saved the document in Ubuntu as MS word compatible format and not in odf. ( I am old hand with linux by now). So I opened ubuntu again and Libre office can read the docx file. So I had to copy paste in my google doc the whole thing, so I could use it in MS Office again.
Amazon search is useless for us in India. As it is it doesnot serve any purpose and at best we can call it crapware or adware. rest of the 9 features are available every where on every OS worth its salt.
Mr Jack Wallen, don't write about ubuntu if you do not understand what it is. Especially when you have not used it yourself for a considerable period of time. Linux community is quite helpful. As a user I always find remedy for every bug. But to write this kind of article.... ah.. thats amature. A little more research and a little careful choice of word will do wonder for you. Otherwise join tabloid. They love to sensationalize. BLOWS AWAY WINDOWS 8...INDEED.
I say this with all kind intent ... but his descriptions in this article are so weak that he's not giving most people a chance to even understand what he's saying. You have to already know exactly what Ubuntu/Unity/Dash offer to have any chance at all of understanding what features he's (vaguely, indeffectively) pointing at.
Instead of "You can search Amazon!" he should describe more clearly how Ubuntu is providing for integrated search of content on your device, in your cloud, and available on the web - starting with Amazon content, but heading beyond that, and with community contribution for plugging in other sources.
Instead of his description of how Dash makes keyboarding better, he should clarify that he's talking about are not just the file/app search kinds of features that other OSes also have, but also the integrated menues from apps - unique to Ubuntu at this point - that permit keyboard menu activation in applications without resorting to memorized hotkeys.
For "integrated web services", he should describe how the approach gives you a much more flexible "live tile" like approach, not limited to things you can get from any particular store - how Ubuntu has established a standard, implementable by any website (and already implemented by a couple dozen of the most popular websites on the net) so ANY website can express itself as a live tile - without having to create an app.
For remote server login - well, done good there.
For UI consistency across tablets/PCs/laptops - he should clarify that there's no "are you RT, or aren't you RT" divide in getting to apps, in how apps look, in how you interact with them, etc.
He needs an editor. (Imho)
Instead of "You can search Amazon!" he should describe more clearly how Ubuntu is providing for integrated search of content on your device, in your cloud, and available on the web - starting with Amazon content, but heading beyond that, and with community contribution for plugging in other sources.
Instead of his description of how Dash makes keyboarding better, he should clarify that he's talking about are not just the file/app search kinds of features that other OSes also have, but also the integrated menues from apps - unique to Ubuntu at this point - that permit keyboard menu activation in applications without resorting to memorized hotkeys.
For "integrated web services", he should describe how the approach gives you a much more flexible "live tile" like approach, not limited to things you can get from any particular store - how Ubuntu has established a standard, implementable by any website (and already implemented by a couple dozen of the most popular websites on the net) so ANY website can express itself as a live tile - without having to create an app.
For remote server login - well, done good there.
For UI consistency across tablets/PCs/laptops - he should clarify that there's no "are you RT, or aren't you RT" divide in getting to apps, in how apps look, in how you interact with them, etc.
He needs an editor. (Imho)
If someone who wasn't in open source blogged how good Ubuntu 12.10 is then I would taker a look - but it's Jack Wallen.
It is laughable as well. For example in #10, he compares Ubuntu's cloud offering with Dropbox. What is this nonsense about links? If I drop a file into Dropbox and with a couple of clicks i can give any user a direct link to the file.
Hey Jack. Have you actually used Windows 8 or just took someone whining word about it?
"I have noticed a significant increase in both performance and reliability" - OK Jack, how many days have you used Ubuntu 12.10 to call it reliable and stable? Come back after a couple of months. Oh and that means 12.04 is unstable & unreliable [compared to you limited testing of Windows 8].
It is laughable as well. For example in #10, he compares Ubuntu's cloud offering with Dropbox. What is this nonsense about links? If I drop a file into Dropbox and with a couple of clicks i can give any user a direct link to the file.
Hey Jack. Have you actually used Windows 8 or just took someone whining word about it?
"I have noticed a significant increase in both performance and reliability" - OK Jack, how many days have you used Ubuntu 12.10 to call it reliable and stable? Come back after a couple of months. Oh and that means 12.04 is unstable & unreliable [compared to you limited testing of Windows 8].
I always laugh when people say their new system is so much more reliable than the old, while still claiming that their old system was bulletproof. Which one is it? Either your old system did have issues, or you're lying about the improvements.
I've been loving Ubuntu 12.10, and I know a lot of people are having trouble upgrading from 12.04 so I created a step-by-step easy to understand guide with screenshots so they can start enjoying Ubuntu 12.10 without the nightmare of upgrading. Check it out and let me know what you think!
http://www.maknesium.de/guide-upgrade-ubuntu-from-12-04-lts-precise-pangolin-to-12-10-quantal-quetzal
http://www.maknesium.de/guide-upgrade-ubuntu-from-12-04-lts-precise-pangolin-to-12-10-quantal-quetzal
Did you know? Hardware manufactures pay or have some agreement with MS to signed their drivers. This came about because of popularity, meaning, the more people use, buy, promote an application the more manufactures will support the platform.
Therefore, if you want your favourite hardware to be supported on Linux, then start using, promoting, educating people on Linux. Simple maths, really.
Therefore, if you want your favourite hardware to be supported on Linux, then start using, promoting, educating people on Linux. Simple maths, really.
The title should really be changed to "10 Openions on why Ubuntu 12.10 desktop blows away Windows 8". This is more like advertising your opinion.
the butchered security with the default sudo config using a USER password to access ADMIN tools instead of a separate ADMIN password is insane.
the requirement of the GNU Network Object Model Environment ( GNOME for the uninitiated) [ worst ui ever designed ] makes it as bloated as possible, for poor performance every time.
[ gnome lost any credibility when I first looked at it and got ERROR messages on a non networked system, BECAUSE is was not networked, back in 1998 ]
I bet most people that have never even looked at Linux, coming from a windows only experience, would find PCLINUXOS or Mandriva far less of a learning curve. but then, both use the windows clone KDE [ as bloated as gnome is now ] so at least half the ui is familiar right from the start.
to bad no one major distro defaults to the cleanest, most efficient ui option, Enlightenment. no task bar, no start menu / menu bar, just click on the "desktop" anywhere to get the menus.
and you can ADD those widgets you find most useful to your desktop and they will load every time you login. But E isn't a desktop environment, it is the back end of one, a window manager. means it provides the functionality, but doesn't force a specific workflow on you.
the requirement of the GNU Network Object Model Environment ( GNOME for the uninitiated) [ worst ui ever designed ] makes it as bloated as possible, for poor performance every time.
[ gnome lost any credibility when I first looked at it and got ERROR messages on a non networked system, BECAUSE is was not networked, back in 1998 ]
I bet most people that have never even looked at Linux, coming from a windows only experience, would find PCLINUXOS or Mandriva far less of a learning curve. but then, both use the windows clone KDE [ as bloated as gnome is now ] so at least half the ui is familiar right from the start.
to bad no one major distro defaults to the cleanest, most efficient ui option, Enlightenment. no task bar, no start menu / menu bar, just click on the "desktop" anywhere to get the menus.
and you can ADD those widgets you find most useful to your desktop and they will load every time you login. But E isn't a desktop environment, it is the back end of one, a window manager. means it provides the functionality, but doesn't force a specific workflow on you.
Unity. Ubuntu. Mint. Lime. Xubuntu. Lubuntu. Chromium. Vanilla. Flow. I am all about diversity, can't get enough of it. But seriously do you ever wonder why Linux has not gone mainstream?
That was just an observation. Diehard Linux fans put the razorblade down, now.
That was just an observation. Diehard Linux fans put the razorblade down, now.
Whether you think it blows away Windows or not, there's no questioning that Linux is a very good operating system (with great bang for your buck too!). But the diversity of options makes it harder for someone to make the switch. And imagine how good it would be if everyone worked together instead of creating yet another distro.
I think Jack had good intentions however just got over zealous when writing this article. Jack, maybe next time count to 10, relax and then write your article. Based on initial feedback that I have gathered on various blogs, boards, talking with people, most people do not like the Metro style interface of Windows 8, though some do. Does this mean the end of Windows; no but it most likely means the people will stay on Windows 7 longer. I upgraded from Ubuntu 12.04 to 12.10 yesterday and it was quite easy, in my quick analysis, it seems a little faster. Im not crazy about the Amazon search but its not a big deal either way. I will play around with Ubuntu some more and get a better feel for it in the coming days. I dont plan to upgrade to Windows 8 as I believe Ubuntu can do the things I want but time will tell. If Ubuntu and Linux in general want to become more main stream then they need to advertise as the majority of people dont really know anything about it.
Much of W8 is simply change for the sake of change, with some of the changes offering no improvement, but just change for the sake of change. Many of my clients are angry about this.
... tell us how you know what the designers were thinking?
How do you know that their intent is "change for change sake" which what you say?
Sorry, but there are no mind readers, and attempting the impossible is obviously never clever.
How do you know that their intent is "change for change sake" which what you say?
Sorry, but there are no mind readers, and attempting the impossible is obviously never clever.
What does that even mean? Since Windows 95 folks have been making shortcuts on their desktops to their fav programs. They don't have to do that in Windows 8. Now they have this screen customized to their personal tastes that gives them everything they ever wanted. Is that not the definition of an improvement? Even more since some programs will provide feedback on that screen without user intervention. Let's re-title yours to: "Replying for the sake of replying."
I wrote a 10 point reply, and then it hit me and then I started laughing!
Guys, This article is comic relief, a smart and clever satire OF the typical linux user!. - Jack you almost had me, Haha!
Guys, This article is comic relief, a smart and clever satire OF the typical linux user!. - Jack you almost had me, Haha!
I agree with Mr. Wallen, but for different reasons. Although the 10 things Jack listed are neat,
here are ten more... fast, easy, secure, cool, open, LibreOffice, stability, scalable, community, free
here are ten more... fast, easy, secure, cool, open, LibreOffice, stability, scalable, community, free
I conclude from all posting the following
1 Many people have not test the resent Ubuntu 12.10 and or a nearest distro's, but they comment. Nor have they test Windows 8. Therefore before you post anything test both and come back
2 Lot of people always want to have it easy. Although many people today's have windows, they have always their IT or someone else to show them the most stupid things, like how to play their movie for example. I agree with you that you need to search a little bit to run Linux at first, but once you learn to manage it then it will be easy to run.
3 Lot of people does not like learn something new. When you have born you learn to speak and read, but when it comes to computer they never open their browser to search how to solve their IT problem. They use their computer for entertainment and pay the IT to do the research work. Or some are afraid to fail in process.
4 Linux do not have the fair chance. If there was a possibility to learn Linux at school like windows do then windows was never become so popular then like it is now. The same way people have learn use Windows the same way could happen to Linux if there was a possibility.
5 Microsoft contribute to person will never change to other system. Microsoft manage to make their OS the most User Friendly by minimizing the use of command, that is a plus. Therefore many people think that the way computer should be manage is by the way Microsoft design their OS. Therefore, some people get stuck when they need to process some command.
What ever the above your situation I suggest everybody again to be open mind to any Linux distro's.
1 Many people have not test the resent Ubuntu 12.10 and or a nearest distro's, but they comment. Nor have they test Windows 8. Therefore before you post anything test both and come back
2 Lot of people always want to have it easy. Although many people today's have windows, they have always their IT or someone else to show them the most stupid things, like how to play their movie for example. I agree with you that you need to search a little bit to run Linux at first, but once you learn to manage it then it will be easy to run.
3 Lot of people does not like learn something new. When you have born you learn to speak and read, but when it comes to computer they never open their browser to search how to solve their IT problem. They use their computer for entertainment and pay the IT to do the research work. Or some are afraid to fail in process.
4 Linux do not have the fair chance. If there was a possibility to learn Linux at school like windows do then windows was never become so popular then like it is now. The same way people have learn use Windows the same way could happen to Linux if there was a possibility.
5 Microsoft contribute to person will never change to other system. Microsoft manage to make their OS the most User Friendly by minimizing the use of command, that is a plus. Therefore many people think that the way computer should be manage is by the way Microsoft design their OS. Therefore, some people get stuck when they need to process some command.
What ever the above your situation I suggest everybody again to be open mind to any Linux distro's.
"...before you post anything test both and come back"
There's nothing in the article I see that needs you to have used either Ubuntu 12 or WIndows 8 in order to reply. Heck, maybe the new Amazon integration has the slickest UI in the world, and a perfect API. I still don't need to play with it to know that it's not a feature I want to use.
"...they have always their IT or someone else to show them the most stupid things, like how to play their movie for example. I agree with you that you need to search a little bit to run Linux at first, but once you learn to manage it then it will be easy to run."
So people that can't figure out the most basic thing like playing a movie in Windows and can't be bothered Googling how to do it should... switch to Linux and Google even more stuff! The root problem you've identified is people not being willing to try for themselves. I fail to see how moving to a new OS solves that problem.
"Linux do not have the fair chance"
Well duh! Of course Windows is taught in schools. That's what 90% of businesses use. The point of school is to prepare you for life. I don't think you'd have happy students if you decided to teach on Linux, or BeOS, or any other marginal OS.
"Therefore, some people get stuck when they need to process some command."
Yep, people are scared of the command line (think of it as a positive - you look super-geeky when you hack away at that prompt!). I'm not sure why you have such a hard time understanding that people want tools that are easy to use and don't need deep knowledge or searching the Internet to do basic things. This isn't unique to Windows. iOS pretty much nails easy of use and it's been a runaway success. And there's plenty of precedence in the physical world too. Would you want to have to Google how to record a show using your new PVR? Or read the manual to figure out how to change the browning setting on your toaster? I know I wouldn't. Give me the interface that is consistent and easy to understand, thanks.
"What ever the above your situation I suggest everybody again to be open mind to any Linux distro's"
That's fine, but what's in it for me? If you want people to switch there needs to be a pay-off. "You get to re-learn all the things you already know how to do on Windows" is a hard-sell. As has proven the case, you'll get a bunch of geeks that enjoy learning new systems, but it's not a sales-pitch that will work in the mainstream.
There's nothing in the article I see that needs you to have used either Ubuntu 12 or WIndows 8 in order to reply. Heck, maybe the new Amazon integration has the slickest UI in the world, and a perfect API. I still don't need to play with it to know that it's not a feature I want to use.
"...they have always their IT or someone else to show them the most stupid things, like how to play their movie for example. I agree with you that you need to search a little bit to run Linux at first, but once you learn to manage it then it will be easy to run."
So people that can't figure out the most basic thing like playing a movie in Windows and can't be bothered Googling how to do it should... switch to Linux and Google even more stuff! The root problem you've identified is people not being willing to try for themselves. I fail to see how moving to a new OS solves that problem.
"Linux do not have the fair chance"
Well duh! Of course Windows is taught in schools. That's what 90% of businesses use. The point of school is to prepare you for life. I don't think you'd have happy students if you decided to teach on Linux, or BeOS, or any other marginal OS.
"Therefore, some people get stuck when they need to process some command."
Yep, people are scared of the command line (think of it as a positive - you look super-geeky when you hack away at that prompt!). I'm not sure why you have such a hard time understanding that people want tools that are easy to use and don't need deep knowledge or searching the Internet to do basic things. This isn't unique to Windows. iOS pretty much nails easy of use and it's been a runaway success. And there's plenty of precedence in the physical world too. Would you want to have to Google how to record a show using your new PVR? Or read the manual to figure out how to change the browning setting on your toaster? I know I wouldn't. Give me the interface that is consistent and easy to understand, thanks.
"What ever the above your situation I suggest everybody again to be open mind to any Linux distro's"
That's fine, but what's in it for me? If you want people to switch there needs to be a pay-off. "You get to re-learn all the things you already know how to do on Windows" is a hard-sell. As has proven the case, you'll get a bunch of geeks that enjoy learning new systems, but it's not a sales-pitch that will work in the mainstream.
I do understand the headache when a system does not work anymore due migrating. Therefore most It are affraid of. But Ubuntu matches perfect in a Ms network, with or without domain, as client desktop. (I have not tested the other way around linux server ms client.) Have a machine running in your business (company) with Ubuntu and let people test it with no previous notice. You will be amazed.
I know and a grew up with the pitfalls of Linux, but in someway Ubuntu Ubuntu 12.10 has improve a lot in user friendly OS.
Please be sure that I'm not a linux fanboy. I run and automate both OS, Ms office and libre office, Outlook and Thunderbird, Ie and Firefox, and so on.
I know and a grew up with the pitfalls of Linux, but in someway Ubuntu Ubuntu 12.10 has improve a lot in user friendly OS.
Please be sure that I'm not a linux fanboy. I run and automate both OS, Ms office and libre office, Outlook and Thunderbird, Ie and Firefox, and so on.
Freshly installed 12.10 is pretty sluggy on my 2.2G dual core.
I like using unity, but get irritated with its lack of responsiveness.
Ive also installed Xubuntu and Cinnamon for when
i want the relief of some speed.
I especially like Xubu as i can arrange the panels to mimic unity, of course
minus all of the itegration stuff, which
is pretty cool, but that i dont use oftern, yet.
I would like to see Can buff up the performance a bit.
Unity isnt that much eye candy.
I dont under stand why it should take sooo much horse power,
although the task manager doesnt show that much being used,
way less than 100%
I confused!
I like using unity, but get irritated with its lack of responsiveness.
Ive also installed Xubuntu and Cinnamon for when
i want the relief of some speed.
I especially like Xubu as i can arrange the panels to mimic unity, of course
minus all of the itegration stuff, which
is pretty cool, but that i dont use oftern, yet.
I would like to see Can buff up the performance a bit.
Unity isnt that much eye candy.
I dont under stand why it should take sooo much horse power,
although the task manager doesnt show that much being used,
way less than 100%
I confused!
This article misses the whole point like so many "Linux is better than Windows" articles. I couldn't care less whether I run Windows or Linux or OS X or BSD. It's just an OS to me. I'm completely OS-agnostic.An OS is simply a means to an end. And the end is the application. I, as well as many PC users, need and want applications (many of which are commercial) which are written for the Windows platform. No amount of polish or stability or speed any other OS has over Windows can persuade users to switch until this fundamental issue has been addressed.
It doesn't matter what the desktop looks like if the underlying OS won't run the programs I want / need / am required to use.
I'm amazed this discussion got this far before someone pointed it out.
I'm amazed this discussion got this far before someone pointed it out.
I recently had a potential client ask me what kind/cost server they should get to organize their lab process. They are a water quality testing lab. My response was, what software fills their need. Hunh? What a unique idea. Last I heard, they're off to check out a similar lab to see what THEY are doing.
I bet, unless it's strictly a file server, the more advanced lab is NOT using Linux.
Jack Wallen is a joke. He throws out crap to see what sticks. I've never seen a response from him to any comments to any of his blogs.
I have to wonder if he gets paid for his crap. If so, I'd like to apply. I, too, have a lot of crap that I need to spread. Getting paid for my crap would be a bonus.
Otherwise, the local sewage treatment plant has to process my crap.
Jack...get a life. You obviously do not have a real world job.
Happy holidays!
Mark
I bet, unless it's strictly a file server, the more advanced lab is NOT using Linux.
Jack Wallen is a joke. He throws out crap to see what sticks. I've never seen a response from him to any comments to any of his blogs.
I have to wonder if he gets paid for his crap. If so, I'd like to apply. I, too, have a lot of crap that I need to spread. Getting paid for my crap would be a bonus.
Otherwise, the local sewage treatment plant has to process my crap.
Jack...get a life. You obviously do not have a real world job.
Happy holidays!
Mark
a go at Jack.
BTW I know lots of places that use Windows servers knowing full well they aren't the best option for their job, but because they have no choice now due to their previous Senior Admin being a Windows only person and got them so buried in the system they can't be removed, and they now have to have auxiliary Unix servers to protect them from attack.
BTW I know lots of places that use Windows servers knowing full well they aren't the best option for their job, but because they have no choice now due to their previous Senior Admin being a Windows only person and got them so buried in the system they can't be removed, and they now have to have auxiliary Unix servers to protect them from attack.
I never did like the Unity interface when it first came out in 12.04 but I thought I'd give the new version a try. I really wanted to like it but it still doesn't do anything for me.... BUT the REAL problem for Linux is that some things just don't work! I tried to play a DVD movie - won't play. I've had other versions of Ubuntu [and other varieties of *nix] play DVDs without a single problem, but this one won't work. Always seems to be something wrong in most *nix distributions which is why it does not have a mass appeal.
The year is 2012 and Mr. Wallen engages in some sort religious OS flame.
Time to grow up. I am in IT for 14 years now and this juvenile nonsense never ceases to amaze me.
I guess it is time to move beyond Tech Republic
Time to grow up. I am in IT for 14 years now and this juvenile nonsense never ceases to amaze me.
I guess it is time to move beyond Tech Republic
I wonder if he spends the time to read the responses to his blogs. I respect Ed Bott, Mary Jo Foley, and Donovan Colbert for responding to the people that take the time to read and respond to their blogs.
I too prefer authors who engage with their audience. Isn't that supposed to be one of the great advantages of the web?
I truly do have several Linux boxes that I manage. I do not try to convince the general public that Linux is good for general use.
On the other hand, I think Windows Phone 8 is the next best thing since sliced bread
On the other hand, I think Windows Phone 8 is the next best thing since sliced bread
...but the situation has to be right. I am not a Linux fanboy. Neither am I a Windows automaton. I just need to get things done. I like and have done some fairly nice Ubuntu/Linux network deployments with up to 30 clients plus a server box or two. For business startups who need some basic business functionality Linux is great. I would LOVE to LOVE Linux...but I just can't. For all their attempts and claims of something similar to active directory and/or Group Policy...it just isn't there. Open/Libre Office is great for some basic things but writing complex custom reports that pull data from a SQL server, nothing beats Access if you know what you are doing. If none of your customers/vendors use Open/Libre Office and like the rest of the world use MS Office and use it to make dynamic linked documents then the free office solution is great for internal use but the business world usually isn't like that. Until Linux can run the required software of the real world and do it reliably AND offer a real world method of centralized control and automation for a large scale domain network, Windows in some flavor is going to be the ticket.
I AM however, very intrigued by a number of open source ERP solutions, several of which offer many of the same features as Great Plains and Mas-XXX including the ability to login and do real work via a web interface. THAT has potential. I recently switched over some of my financial and invoicing over to OpenERP and have been doing real time invoicing while onsite...pretty cool given how many thousands I would need to spend to do the same thing with a Dynamics product. I have been considering doing a write up of my experiences with it and submitting it to a site like TechRepub.
All that said...Windows 8 is a non-starter for me. I will let the rest of the bleeding edge adventures play with it, crash their customers servers and waste their time restoring backed up data while figuring out the bugs and which older business software is supposed to be compatible but really isn't and blah blah blah. After a service pack or two is complete I MIGHT think about it as a viable, sellable, supportable product.
In the mean time, I have too much real work that has to be done and done now to play with new toys or try and turn a novelty OS into an enterprise level network OS.
I AM however, very intrigued by a number of open source ERP solutions, several of which offer many of the same features as Great Plains and Mas-XXX including the ability to login and do real work via a web interface. THAT has potential. I recently switched over some of my financial and invoicing over to OpenERP and have been doing real time invoicing while onsite...pretty cool given how many thousands I would need to spend to do the same thing with a Dynamics product. I have been considering doing a write up of my experiences with it and submitting it to a site like TechRepub.
All that said...Windows 8 is a non-starter for me. I will let the rest of the bleeding edge adventures play with it, crash their customers servers and waste their time restoring backed up data while figuring out the bugs and which older business software is supposed to be compatible but really isn't and blah blah blah. After a service pack or two is complete I MIGHT think about it as a viable, sellable, supportable product.
In the mean time, I have too much real work that has to be done and done now to play with new toys or try and turn a novelty OS into an enterprise level network OS.
I really appreciate your comment and will not contradict it.
I want to add some info to your knowledge regarding pulling data from SQL.
Libre office is capable to do that for you but in a different way. In MSo i use Macro created with VBA to generate complex reporting and you can do the same way iin Libre Office but in another program language. I have heard that are some convertes to convert vba to open office script language, but never tested. In addition, ope office is capable to load and run VBA script. (I tested and works fine as far as I have test it)
Last but not least, thanks again for your input
I want to add some info to your knowledge regarding pulling data from SQL.
Libre office is capable to do that for you but in a different way. In MSo i use Macro created with VBA to generate complex reporting and you can do the same way iin Libre Office but in another program language. I have heard that are some convertes to convert vba to open office script language, but never tested. In addition, ope office is capable to load and run VBA script. (I tested and works fine as far as I have test it)
Last but not least, thanks again for your input
When you measure your download speeds in kb's and sometimes b's rather than mb's /sec not needing to update virus definitions daily is a huge plus. Even bigger for those that want to use flash disks to transfer files and have no internet access to update their AV.
I have installed Ubuntu on hundreds of machines here and generally the learning curve for ex-Windows users is "no, you don't use a dvd to install your printer, just plug it in". Once they get past that we're done.
Libreoffice works just fine for me and everyone that I know. Granted it takes more work to make a border of flowers but then I don't really ever do that.
For those people here with old old machines I have a copy of Ubuntu with the LXDE on my flash drive that I can install. All the software with a very light desktop, I've gotten it running on a machine with 128mb RAM.
For those with several very old machines and one good one it took me about an hour to learn how and to setup a network with 10 very old machines running off a descent computer over the LAN. Very handy for schools that get a bunch of computers donated that are running windows95. (true story, we get a lot of donations like that here).
Maybe now that Microsoft has decided that their clients, Dell, Acer, etc..., will also be their competitors, those manufacturers will stop subsidizing MS and install more Linux which can only help the community grow.
As for gaming. I believe I read that MS wants 30% from programmers to be in their store. If the game programmers were to start releasing the Linux version for 30% less and a week earlier we'd see a rapid movement to linux in that market.
I have installed Ubuntu on hundreds of machines here and generally the learning curve for ex-Windows users is "no, you don't use a dvd to install your printer, just plug it in". Once they get past that we're done.
Libreoffice works just fine for me and everyone that I know. Granted it takes more work to make a border of flowers but then I don't really ever do that.
For those people here with old old machines I have a copy of Ubuntu with the LXDE on my flash drive that I can install. All the software with a very light desktop, I've gotten it running on a machine with 128mb RAM.
For those with several very old machines and one good one it took me about an hour to learn how and to setup a network with 10 very old machines running off a descent computer over the LAN. Very handy for schools that get a bunch of computers donated that are running windows95. (true story, we get a lot of donations like that here).
Maybe now that Microsoft has decided that their clients, Dell, Acer, etc..., will also be their competitors, those manufacturers will stop subsidizing MS and install more Linux which can only help the community grow.
As for gaming. I believe I read that MS wants 30% from programmers to be in their store. If the game programmers were to start releasing the Linux version for 30% less and a week earlier we'd see a rapid movement to linux in that market.
...about the gaming market. I will drill it down a bit further and say that the one big obstacle to that happening is all the various distros that exist. No one is going to want to code and test for 5 various flavors of Linux. If one of those distros (say, Ubuntu) were to strike up a deal with Blizzard and help them port over some of their more popular titles to run completely native in Linux, you might really give the OS a major boost.
"No one is going to want to code and test for 5 various flavors of Linux."
Don't need to, they all use the linux kernel, the rest is the UI. So you have to create one installer, let's say RPM and the rest, DEB for example take about 30 seconds to convert. Not a huge investment in time.
Adding to the why. Language flexibility. Not only can I change the language at the install I can add other languages and one of these days I just might let my students loose to add the local language to the repository.
Reading more of the messages. About the only thing LibreOffice doesn't open well is embedded scripts in a document. Tell you what, I don't want to open documents with embedded scripts, I really hate virus attacks. The guy concerned with using a user password rather than an admin password for system config? I got news for you, that user password works for that only if that user is the admin or a user given admin rights. All other users can only change their particular preferences. Speaking of security, what do you have to do in windows to have an encrypted home folder? Because if it isn't encrypted it can be easily opened in seconds. Ubuntu gives you that option.
Real world aps. go to an EU or many other European sites and see how many offer everything in ODT format rather than DOCX. Once people get over the it's free can't be good model they find the can live without MS. Pulling data from an SQL server. If you know what you are doing PHP writes great reports that cross platform.
"offer a real world method of centralized control and automation for a large scale domain network" What do you want to do? I use webmin with virtualmin and usermin to provide email accounts to those on my network not connected to the net, I use CRON jobs for updates during non-peak hours. I have a local repository to update peoples software without going to the net and I do all this from my desk. I suppose I could even do it from my android phone if I had a mind to.
Migrating from outlook to thunderbird is hard? Clicking "import from outlook" is not all that tough.
Yes, windows does some things better than linux but not very many and linux does some things better than windows and linux isn't telling programmers it get's a 30% cut.
Don't need to, they all use the linux kernel, the rest is the UI. So you have to create one installer, let's say RPM and the rest, DEB for example take about 30 seconds to convert. Not a huge investment in time.
Adding to the why. Language flexibility. Not only can I change the language at the install I can add other languages and one of these days I just might let my students loose to add the local language to the repository.
Reading more of the messages. About the only thing LibreOffice doesn't open well is embedded scripts in a document. Tell you what, I don't want to open documents with embedded scripts, I really hate virus attacks. The guy concerned with using a user password rather than an admin password for system config? I got news for you, that user password works for that only if that user is the admin or a user given admin rights. All other users can only change their particular preferences. Speaking of security, what do you have to do in windows to have an encrypted home folder? Because if it isn't encrypted it can be easily opened in seconds. Ubuntu gives you that option.
Real world aps. go to an EU or many other European sites and see how many offer everything in ODT format rather than DOCX. Once people get over the it's free can't be good model they find the can live without MS. Pulling data from an SQL server. If you know what you are doing PHP writes great reports that cross platform.
"offer a real world method of centralized control and automation for a large scale domain network" What do you want to do? I use webmin with virtualmin and usermin to provide email accounts to those on my network not connected to the net, I use CRON jobs for updates during non-peak hours. I have a local repository to update peoples software without going to the net and I do all this from my desk. I suppose I could even do it from my android phone if I had a mind to.
Migrating from outlook to thunderbird is hard? Clicking "import from outlook" is not all that tough.
Yes, windows does some things better than linux but not very many and linux does some things better than windows and linux isn't telling programmers it get's a 30% cut.
There is no real substitute in Linux. I can add a fresh out of the box PC to the domain and without touching it again it will be ready for any end-user to begin using in about 30 minutes. Their local account will already be set up and ready to go complete with all windows updates and all company software installed. If they had a PC previously, all their "local" drives, files, and email will be there as soon as they log in. In fact, any user can log into that PC and get access to their email. They can use all their regular software as well so long as they are a member of that dept. I don't have to do anything to that PC other than hook it up and join the domain. I can even move that PC to another dept. and the software and printers available to it will change accordingly without my having to touch 1 setting or manually install one piece of software or driver.
To my knowledge there is nothing in the Linux world that will do all that.
To my knowledge there is nothing in the Linux world that will do all that.
Linux zealots spend waaaay too much time on Linux...
"Don't need to, they all use the linux kernel, the rest is the UI. So you have to create one installer, let's say RPM and the rest, DEB for example take about 30 seconds to convert. Not a huge investment in time. "
Well, pal, it's not as easy as you think it is... It might be easy to convert a 5kB utility rpm to deb... but I don't think it will work that nice with a 4GB game.... I even think that it won't work at all. If so far, nobody's done it, it's beacause it's too much of a hassle to do :
- different packaging
- opengl dev is hard (not for you I know, but for real world programmer, directX way easier, and more productive)
- sound is a mess in Linux
- dependency hell accross distros : to install your game, you'll have to take in account, which version of which lib is used for that particular distro
- slightly different kernels (compile options+modules) which can cause great problems
Lusers been shouting victory recently as Steam decided to move from Windows 8... not because Linux is better, dear lol ! It's all because of the Windows store, that steam will eventually have to pay, and become a MS underdog like all those apple and android dev... that's all !
Also, you're talking about encrypting files and folders... Have you been further than the start menu ? Or have you ever used Windows xp PRO, PRO is important, because in PRO, you have EFS. In fact, efs been out since Win2k...
FOSS aren't compatible with business for one reason, which is written in the FOSS disclaimer : "NO WARRANTY, USE AT YOUR OWN RISK"
cron is an archaic tool, though it works well, you need to modernize a little more, get a ui... stop working with .conf text files ffs... Everything now is about productivity. Clean, brightly organised UI, make things productive. Text files don't.
Well about your 30% cut, Apple and Android all do the same, yet nobody's ever said a thing... But windows dev don't ridiculize or yell at people. If they were developping for Windows, Alan Cox, Con Kolivas, never would have leaved the boat. No the problem with Linux, is politics. Waaaay too much fragmentation, there will always be a n+1 implementation cause A's not happy with B's code cause it's not commented, yadda, yadda...
You got the picture.
edit@capeterson : you can actually set up something looking like an active directory with samba, acl, etc... but get lots of aspirin and a couple of whiskey bottle in preparation of the all-nighter you're gonna have configuring text files while cursing Linus Torvalds.
"Don't need to, they all use the linux kernel, the rest is the UI. So you have to create one installer, let's say RPM and the rest, DEB for example take about 30 seconds to convert. Not a huge investment in time. "
Well, pal, it's not as easy as you think it is... It might be easy to convert a 5kB utility rpm to deb... but I don't think it will work that nice with a 4GB game.... I even think that it won't work at all. If so far, nobody's done it, it's beacause it's too much of a hassle to do :
- different packaging
- opengl dev is hard (not for you I know, but for real world programmer, directX way easier, and more productive)
- sound is a mess in Linux
- dependency hell accross distros : to install your game, you'll have to take in account, which version of which lib is used for that particular distro
- slightly different kernels (compile options+modules) which can cause great problems
Lusers been shouting victory recently as Steam decided to move from Windows 8... not because Linux is better, dear lol ! It's all because of the Windows store, that steam will eventually have to pay, and become a MS underdog like all those apple and android dev... that's all !
Also, you're talking about encrypting files and folders... Have you been further than the start menu ? Or have you ever used Windows xp PRO, PRO is important, because in PRO, you have EFS. In fact, efs been out since Win2k...
FOSS aren't compatible with business for one reason, which is written in the FOSS disclaimer : "NO WARRANTY, USE AT YOUR OWN RISK"
cron is an archaic tool, though it works well, you need to modernize a little more, get a ui... stop working with .conf text files ffs... Everything now is about productivity. Clean, brightly organised UI, make things productive. Text files don't.
Well about your 30% cut, Apple and Android all do the same, yet nobody's ever said a thing... But windows dev don't ridiculize or yell at people. If they were developping for Windows, Alan Cox, Con Kolivas, never would have leaved the boat. No the problem with Linux, is politics. Waaaay too much fragmentation, there will always be a n+1 implementation cause A's not happy with B's code cause it's not commented, yadda, yadda...
You got the picture.
edit@capeterson : you can actually set up something looking like an active directory with samba, acl, etc... but get lots of aspirin and a couple of whiskey bottle in preparation of the all-nighter you're gonna have configuring text files while cursing Linus Torvalds.
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