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        <title><![CDATA[&quot;you just need to be aware of them&quot;]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-397765-3757711]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[That's exactly the point. Like on Android tablets, the &quot;desktop&quot; is full of colorful rectangles representing programs for whatever purpose. But even after cleaning up, like on a real world wooden desktop, I do not have all my tools on the table, most of them are put in a drawer, and the desktop table is used for the documents I work with. For me, the START menu was like opening the drawer to get a tool out, and the explorer opens the drawer with the folders and files.This &quot;modern&quot; approach of just cluttering the desktop with tools (apps) has no logic and looks like the idea of an app fetish.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[kj_easy]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:07:58 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Windows 8 Sucks]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[The OS itself is quicker and more efficient, but the interface has done nothing but caused problems. The day I installed win8 was the day I installed the start button. I have to use 8 at work  but I will not install it at home. Its just like Vista except the back end works and the front end sucks. I'll wait and see whats next.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[LarryD4]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 05 Apr 2013 13:12:56 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[QuickLaunch?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Hi!I'd rather use a standard toolbar (e.g. QuickLaunch) to act as a Start menu, perhaps with a hard (junction) link to the still-present all users Start Menu\Programs.  I'm hoping this will expand like a menu, rather than open a folder view as happens when using a normal shortcut instead of a hard (NTFS junction) link.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[cquirke]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 04:42:49 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Maybe not that far]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I have had my windows 8 laptop a week. I agree it is messy and annoying - Fundamentally there is nothing on the screen I need. I want to access the software and get going. Messy desktops just annoy me to the nth degree. This week has been spent working out how to disble all of the &quot;pretties&quot; but not useful. If I wanted to play with an Iphone I would have bought one! (But having said that ... Dos is a step too far lol)]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[tygerflower]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 17:09:47 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Fine I'll start]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-397765-3736922]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[Stupid MS for not adding back the Start menu, or removing metro, or bringing the OS size down to the tablet sub 200mb size.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Slayer_]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 07:38:49 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Palmy, I'd go along with that as long as flagging a message counts]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[as a comment and I'd also allow it when the message no longer has the 'Reply' button showing. I like to down vote spammers when I flag their messages - this means anyone using the default show setting gets the spam hidden due to the negative vote.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Deadly Ernest]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 07:01:24 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[thanks Nick]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[for pointing out that we are human and each have are own opinion. I mite not agree with what some one says.But thats OK it is a free country.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[sarai1313@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 06:09:56 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Nah,]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-397765-3736897]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[start slamming it now; beat the rush.  Plenty of people sounded off on W8 before trying it; why be any different?]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[CharlieSpencer_Palmetto]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 05:42:21 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Corporate doesn't care]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[We load whatever we want, and will continue to do so as long as we can get hardware drivers for the desired OS.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[CharlieSpencer_Palmetto]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 05:37:24 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[There's a couple of other guys]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-397765-3736895]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[that downvote anything favorable about W8.  I still say downvoting should require a comment.  If you don't comment, your vote isn't recorded.  Even a simple 'No text' would at least identify who disagrees with you.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[CharlieSpencer_Palmetto]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 05:36:26 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[it goes both ways Deadly.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I get down voted when I show someone how to do something in Windows 8. What is up with that?]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[JJFitz]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 05:29:37 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[There's a couple of guys with sock puppets that down vote]]></title>
        <link><![CDATA[http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/discussions/102-397765-3736512]]></link>
        <description><![CDATA[non-positive posts posts on Win 8. have another up to make you feel better.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Deadly Ernest]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 10:15:34 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[We've settled that...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[There are as many different opinions about Win8 and the lack of Start menu as there are TR peers.  We've also learned that TR peers are just like everybody else in taking offense when somebody disagrees with their opinion.In short, we've settled that geeks are human.  Who knew?  ]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[NickNielsen]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 08:07:28 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Personally I'm waiting]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[For the Beta to become available before I comment on it. Col]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[HAL 9000]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:34:03 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[the thread that just won't die]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[So in 7 pages have we solved or settled anything here?How 'bout that windows 9 then? ..eh? ..EH!?  ]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[pgit]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 06:24:16 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Windows 8 Just Makes Sense]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I've come from Win3.11/Netware3.1 days throughout the Windows 2000/NT4 and Windows 7 cycles. That's a long time to account for. Steve Jobs had the correct idea about computers and electronic gadgets -- Make them dumb enough and people will use them. I think Microsoft has finally got it? I think they finally figured out that Jobs was right. I've checked out Windows 8 and I think it is just about as dumb as you can get something dumbed down to get the masses to use while being very useful in the world. You don't need a &quot;Start Menu&quot; on any OS of any sort. Smart people like using Command Line OS's when they can and dumb people like using OS's that give them the least amount of &quot;resistance to gratification&quot;. Secretaries don't care if they have a Start Menu or not as long as their program comes up when they touch the Icon whether it be by Mouse or Touch Pad or Touch Icons on Monster Glass. Neither do Accountants or Engineers or Lawyers or any other Office position. The only people that bitch about Start Menus are people sitting on their beds in their bedrooms and trying to pretend they have a life. When I ride the bus to work and back I see most people loving their touchscreens or touch pads. Then at work I watch people at work going straight for the Icon on their desktop that takes them directly to their program for work. Very rarely do people at work have time at work to screw around messing with Start Menus and such just for the sake of figuring out whether or not they like Start Menus. Personally -- I like NOT having a Start Menu. I like putting the Icons of the programs that I use -- on my Desktop and try never to have to open any Start Menu. As for Leopard it's still a bit cluttered for me with a lot of unnecessary Icons that I have to change around to what I use. The same goes for Ubuntu's attempt to compete with Leopard.  I like the Ubuntu approach the best -- even though Ubuntu is going the same direction that Windows 8 has gone and I think they are both on the correct track. The important thing to make note of is -- does the program that you are using have the extra Icons built into its Internal Menu to do the job that you need to get done without having to leave the program or closing it out? Back in the day when you would have to leave Lotus to go into dBase to export and import data sheets made from to another. In the new versions of Microsoft Office those clumsy ways of doing things went away. When you are working in Adobe you don't have to leave Photoshop to import/export or completely change a photocut - you can do it right there. These are things that are important. Having a Start Menu is NOT important. Having just one Icon on your Monster Glass Screen is all that you need. It can bring up all the programs that you use in Touch Screen Icon fashion and you can get on with your work. If you need to be able to do programming or commandline work then put yourself a icon in your folder so that you can get on with your day. The best computer screen is a &quot;Blank&quot; screen with one Icon waiting for you. Customize your folder with your Icons of Choice and be done with it. Up until Windows 8 I thought Windows 7 was the best OS in the market since computers were first built. If you're a engineer/admin/systems person then you might like UNIX/Linux/BSD and that's fine. You probably don't like Windows anyhow -- but, you like the Commandline anyhow. So I've got nothing to say for you. I am one of you. I think you all would likely agree with me anyhow. Blank screen is best and commandline rules. But, since we are talking Windows 8 here -- I err to the side of Windows 8 and get rid of all these freaking Menus. That goes for Windows/KDE/GNOME together. If we need something then Ubuntu Unity is probably a good idea. You pear it down to just a couple of Icons on the  side and make them hidden to boot. Less crap running in my RAM for the purpose of my Desktop is good. Oh -- I must mention getting rid of all the Icons that Microsoft thinks of putting on the Desktop as well. That's a sad issue.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[milesbradford@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2012 18:02:43 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Issue with StartW8]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I installed Windows 8 and added the StartW8 app as a replacement for the Start button that isn't included in Windows 8.  It works great...however when I jumped over to my wife's profile to set stuff up so she can see the screen better I ran into problems.  I increased the font display under Personalize|Display settings to the &quot;Large&quot; and now the StartW8 start menu is not showing everything.  I guess using the Large font display option limits what can be displayed somehow.  I tried tweaking title bar and menu fonts down some and that helped some, but I still can't see the menu well, particularly the bottom of it where the &quot;All Programs&quot; and Shutdown is located, which was the major reason for using it.My wife is not happy so poppa isn't happy either.  Anyone got any ideas on fixing it.  I can't seem to find a support link on the StartW8 site, not surprising since it is free.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[jbdoty]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 07:34:29 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Why fix stuff that's not broken?]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I don't care much for Apple/Macs, but their OSs are evolutionary - it is beyond my understanding why Microsoft expects users to learn a whole new way of using their computers, to do essentially the same things they did before in a way they knew and understood.I teach oldies basic computer skills and they finally have a good grasp of Win7 - I also lecture college students in IT skills and I simply cannot understand why the same things have to be hidden in new places and often accessed in far more complex ways. Think shut down, think change desktop, think . . . (where the hell is Media Player? oh, that'll cost you.) There is no way I will recommend any one to upgrade to Win 8 - there is no point to battle with it on a desktop PC]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[tony.hoad@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 00:35:00 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[real life software]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Heh, all my real life software is on the desktop side!  Photshop, jEdit, eclipse, thunderbird, Libre Office, CoolEdit Pro and Steam games.  I've got Windows 8 on my main machine (couldn't resist $40 upgrade to 'Pro' version), but after playing with the Metro interface for about a week, I installed Start8 so I could get back to real work (and games!).]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[sasadler]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 07:26:26 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Dangerous Response]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[No plans to upgrade anytime soon? Considering skipping this one? Seems to me that is what many people did with Vista (which we ran quite successfully and productively for 2.5 years before moving to Win7). What did they get with Windows 7 - mostly Vista (tweaked a bit...but we untweak some things... such as strict UAC setting). If they don't get started now, when Win 9 comes out they'll be hurting...or have to move to Linux or Apple and those training and core systems issues. Just sayin....]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[darrylr@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 09:35:04 -0800</pubDate>
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