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@ milesbradford: If only....
... you actually knew what you were talking about.
/facepalm
Quote: """Rockets, space planes, aeroplanes, ships, skyscrapers and more have been built using softwares like Autocad, Versicad, SmartCam, Mastercam and done on Windows OS's."""
Recently? Maybe... Historically? Not on your life. I worked at GM (EDS) back in '89-'90, and we used *zero* CAD on the desktop; everything was done on the IBM 3090 and Amdahl 5890 mainframes... think about it:
Desktop computer at the time: 12MHz 80286 to 25MHz 80386. Mips: ~6. (My 80386SX-16 was 3 Mips.) 2 Meg RAM. 66 Meg HD. VGA video (640x480) was just coming out, affordably at least. Coprocessors helped, but were not ideal. 0.2 Mflops, in fact.
IBM 3090 Model S Mainframe computer at the time: 66.7MHz clock rate (actually rated as a 15ns cycle time); Mips: 100. Separate parallel vector processors were available that provided 133Mflops each, and each mainframe could have 6, for a total of 800Mflops. 512 Meg RAM. Each DASD (That's IBM speak for Hard drive) cabinet could hold over 22 Gigabytes, you could attach almost 1/2 a Terabyte to a system _back then_. 24 inch vector monitors with vector processors that basically provided nearly unlimited resolution.
Which would you rather use?
http://books.google.com/books?id=9fYFiZ7QeEcC&pg=PA319
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~alanb/faq/Sun-Hardware-2.faq
[[ Search for '80387' in the link above as it's just a text file. ]]
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Quote: """Some movies were built on Mac's but, short of that -- Microsoft has been the guy you could rely on to be on the world building turf. """
Huh? Maybe for home movies, I've never heard of a major production house using Mac's for movie publishing. Or Windows. All the 3D rendering for the first several seasons of Babylon 5 was done on *Amigas*. Toy Story 1 & 2 (dunno about 3) and every other Disney animation before that was done on Sun Servers. (Unix) The SGI series machines (also Unix) were used by many movies as well. All the 3D effects for the first Hulk movie was done on Linux. Linux's inroads to 3D effects and movie houses are due to the fact they're very easy (just like Unix before it) to create parallel processes required for renderfarms. Windows did not have that ability until much later in the game.
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Movie_Making_Manual/Linux_in_film_production#Who_already_uses_GNU.2FLinux.3F
[[ As a matter of fact, if you google 'windows used for movie production' (sans quotes) the 2nd link listed is the one above. ]]
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Quote: """Microsoft does nothing but drives innovation."""
Yes, but they mostly innovate in marketing, not in technology.
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Quote: """It actually created most all the innovation of the opensource arena."""
Really? What are your sources? Please list them.
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Quote: """And for journalists saying that Apple brought the PC to the market is also false. IBM created the PC first and then Japan created wannabe PC's and called them clones."""
Uh... you might want to check your personal computer creation timeline... Apple certainly wasn't the first - but the Apple 1 predated the IBM PC by almost *5 years!* Tandy (Radio Shack), Commodore, Atari, Texas Instruments, and even Timex had personal computers *long* before IBM. IBM was big in the mainframe market (roughly akin to what we would call the 'server' market nowadays) but did not introduce the PC until '81.
Google "Personal Computer Timeline" (again, sans quotes) and the first link is this:
http://pctimeline.info/mini.htm - or -
http://www.computerhistory.org/timeline/?category=cmptr
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Quote: """Microsoft was a strong innovative force in the creation of gorilla glass for touch screens."""
Could you please provide references / sources to that statement as well?
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Where I ask for sources, I will admit I do not know. Honestly, I'm assuming those statements are false due to the exceptionally large amount of incorrect information within your post. Please keep in mind: I have absolutely *no* problem being proved wrong, however, and I have no _proof_ to the contrary.
However, I feel I have provided more than enough proof where you *are* wrong, and have provided sources / attribution to those facts.
/facepalm
Quote: """Rockets, space planes, aeroplanes, ships, skyscrapers and more have been built using softwares like Autocad, Versicad, SmartCam, Mastercam and done on Windows OS's."""
Recently? Maybe... Historically? Not on your life. I worked at GM (EDS) back in '89-'90, and we used *zero* CAD on the desktop; everything was done on the IBM 3090 and Amdahl 5890 mainframes... think about it:
Desktop computer at the time: 12MHz 80286 to 25MHz 80386. Mips: ~6. (My 80386SX-16 was 3 Mips.) 2 Meg RAM. 66 Meg HD. VGA video (640x480) was just coming out, affordably at least. Coprocessors helped, but were not ideal. 0.2 Mflops, in fact.
IBM 3090 Model S Mainframe computer at the time: 66.7MHz clock rate (actually rated as a 15ns cycle time); Mips: 100. Separate parallel vector processors were available that provided 133Mflops each, and each mainframe could have 6, for a total of 800Mflops. 512 Meg RAM. Each DASD (That's IBM speak for Hard drive) cabinet could hold over 22 Gigabytes, you could attach almost 1/2 a Terabyte to a system _back then_. 24 inch vector monitors with vector processors that basically provided nearly unlimited resolution.
Which would you rather use?
http://books.google.com/books?id=9fYFiZ7QeEcC&pg=PA319
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~alanb/faq/Sun-Hardware-2.faq
[[ Search for '80387' in the link above as it's just a text file. ]]
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Quote: """Some movies were built on Mac's but, short of that -- Microsoft has been the guy you could rely on to be on the world building turf. """
Huh? Maybe for home movies, I've never heard of a major production house using Mac's for movie publishing. Or Windows. All the 3D rendering for the first several seasons of Babylon 5 was done on *Amigas*. Toy Story 1 & 2 (dunno about 3) and every other Disney animation before that was done on Sun Servers. (Unix) The SGI series machines (also Unix) were used by many movies as well. All the 3D effects for the first Hulk movie was done on Linux. Linux's inroads to 3D effects and movie houses are due to the fact they're very easy (just like Unix before it) to create parallel processes required for renderfarms. Windows did not have that ability until much later in the game.
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Movie_Making_Manual/Linux_in_film_production#Who_already_uses_GNU.2FLinux.3F
[[ As a matter of fact, if you google 'windows used for movie production' (sans quotes) the 2nd link listed is the one above. ]]
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Quote: """Microsoft does nothing but drives innovation."""
Yes, but they mostly innovate in marketing, not in technology.
=-=-=-=
Quote: """It actually created most all the innovation of the opensource arena."""
Really? What are your sources? Please list them.
=-=-=-=
Quote: """And for journalists saying that Apple brought the PC to the market is also false. IBM created the PC first and then Japan created wannabe PC's and called them clones."""
Uh... you might want to check your personal computer creation timeline... Apple certainly wasn't the first - but the Apple 1 predated the IBM PC by almost *5 years!* Tandy (Radio Shack), Commodore, Atari, Texas Instruments, and even Timex had personal computers *long* before IBM. IBM was big in the mainframe market (roughly akin to what we would call the 'server' market nowadays) but did not introduce the PC until '81.
Google "Personal Computer Timeline" (again, sans quotes) and the first link is this:
http://pctimeline.info/mini.htm - or -
http://www.computerhistory.org/timeline/?category=cmptr
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Quote: """Microsoft was a strong innovative force in the creation of gorilla glass for touch screens."""
Could you please provide references / sources to that statement as well?
=-=-=-=
Where I ask for sources, I will admit I do not know. Honestly, I'm assuming those statements are false due to the exceptionally large amount of incorrect information within your post. Please keep in mind: I have absolutely *no* problem being proved wrong, however, and I have no _proof_ to the contrary.
However, I feel I have provided more than enough proof where you *are* wrong, and have provided sources / attribution to those facts.
Posted by rmerchberger@...
10th Dec
