"Linux is already at 9% market share in the enterprise market". Ya? I'd link to see a link for that. Oh just servers I guess. I have yet to see any inroads on the client side.
Last I checked, the overall Linux hasn't cracked 1.5% yet [http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9] or maybe 1.25% [http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8&qpcustomd=0].
Oh ya. while Windows fans aren't thrilled with Windows 8, Windows 7 is still selling. Do not expect those who dislike Windows 8 to deside to switch to Linux. The same thing was probably predicted when Vista came oput and no real increase in Linux usage.
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and not just the North American desktop vendor sales market.
Red Hat has been selling systems and support to enterprise customers for many years, and making a good profit off it. They wouldn't being getting paid for the support if the companies weren't using Linux systems.
BTW There has been an increased growth in the use of Linux since Vista came out, but since most of it has been outside of the North American continent it's been ignored by a lot of people in the US IT industry.
Red Hat has been selling systems and support to enterprise customers for many years, and making a good profit off it. They wouldn't being getting paid for the support if the companies weren't using Linux systems.
BTW There has been an increased growth in the use of Linux since Vista came out, but since most of it has been outside of the North American continent it's been ignored by a lot of people in the US IT industry.
I remember a couple of months ago when I had trouble backing up my claim of 5% on the desktop.
Ya! I use Linux all the time. Writing on Ubuntu 12.04 on my lil' laptop right now. But, I have it loaded on dual boot with Windows 7 Pro. I wouldn't be caught without Windows 7 Pro. When all else fails -- break out the Windows 7 Pro. Linux is never going to surpass Windows like was thought a decade ago by hopeful Windows haters. The probable likelyhood in my lifetime of any OS for PC's, laptops or servers that really surpass what Micosoft puts out is not likely to happen. Just like what almost killed off MacIntosh back in the day -- ARROGANCE -- is most likely going to do the Linux world in or at the least keep it suppressed. It takes Linux developers way too long to keep step with what Microsoft has to offer in order to surpass the monopoly software giant. The biggest reason for Linux surviving as long as it has is it is basically free to obtain. People tend to forget that up until now -- getting a driver for certain elements of a system running Linux could take from weeks to months to years. People tend to forget that most Linux programs being built today are still not 1st Rate softwares and the ones that are still cost. Cost is good for commerce and development -- but, most Linux users don't want to pay anything out....I mean nothing at all. Everyone thought that Google was going to put Microsoft on the bench for a long time. That didn't happen. Microsoft is coming back to play hardball and if you don't think that it is going to play a rough game -- you just aren't playing with a full deck yourself. Microsoft Windows 7 Pro is still the very best OS on the market in the world that has ever been. It runs pretty much flawless and you can buy the heavy weight apps such as Autocad, SmartCam, Microsoft Office, all kinds of software developer programs from so many other companies aside from MIcrosoft that it's remarkable. The owners of the opensource commercial grade softwares are a handful of billions in dollars billionaires versus tens of billions of dollars billionares Bill Gates and Steve Bullyface Balmer. Statistically - it is going to take the opensource software industry about four or more decades to even get up to the 20 percent mark of the marketplace in software. By that time -- most of us who started with the opening events in opensoftwares will be dead and gone all that is going to be left is opensource scraps for the masses and all the good stuff will be put into the commercialized "pay for use" heap. Opensource is great. I love it and it's been a big part of my life but, realistically - the one thing that speaks louder than free is money. Money and commerce equals a winning solution everytime. Great things always start seemingly free....but, once they have used their purposeful times as "free" - cash barks loud and commerce takes over.
there are billions of embedded Linux systems in use in equipment around the world. The majority of servers in use are Linux.
CAD for Linux is improving greatly, with Dassault Sytem??s offering DraftSight2 in a Linux version. What is your take on some of the major players (AutoCAD, etc.) working toward a release of a serious modern CAD package for Linux? With Ubuntu opening the doors to proprietary applications, we are seeing a decline in the "pure" Open Source attitude, and NVidia promising better Linux drivers, I see some real potential developing. Better graphics, fewer system crashes, less time spent on system maintenance- got to be a winner...
Check out BricsCAD. http://www.bricsys.com They have been making an alternative for AutoCAD for almost a decade at least for Windows and Mac. They have ported their product to Linux. I have loaded AutoCAD 2010 dwg's in the latest BricsCAD version for Linux without any issues. BricsCAD still needs to port over much of their add-on packages yet. Most of the commands are the same as AutoCAD so it is a fairly easy transition.
CAD is used by a tiny bit of the population unlike "office" applications, games, etc.
The longer Microsoft mucks around with Windows-8, in trying to make it a premier OS for all sorts of totally different platforms and uses, the better the opportunities for some open source OS to come along and replace Windows. The concept of an "ecosystem" made Apple great in the consumer marketplace but not in the business marketplace. Why does Microsoft want to copy Apple?
the people at Microsoft have absolutely NO INNOVATION capability or original thoughts, never have, never will. All the changes in Windows for then last decade or so have been stuff copied from various versions of Linux three or four years earlier, or stuff stolen from others, or stuff copied from Apple.
Hell, even the horrid Win 8 is copied from a variant of Linux a few years back, but the Linux version did it better - and they decided it wasn't going anywhere.
Hell, even the horrid Win 8 is copied from a variant of Linux a few years back, but the Linux version did it better - and they decided it wasn't going anywhere.
Regardless of where Microsoft stands regarding technical superiority or inferiority, they have, and have had for decades, all the momentum. People (non-techies) have no interest in new learning curves. I don't ever expect any Linux to be the going thing on desktops, and really don't care. Open Source software is doing just fine without having a sizable Desktop market share. Why does it even matter?
the crappy Windows systems as we spend a LOT of time fixing rubbish problems that would never have been an issue with Windows was made right the first time around.
Wow -- dude, if you only knew how many gigabytes of data I have lost becasue of opensource crappage. I go to bed at night and sleep restfully due to the fact that I know all my data on my Linux servers and desktops are backed up on my Windows 2008 server that I paid for. I can't afford a bunch of Windows servers but, I can afford one and that one saves my bacon on my Linux servers. I wouldn't trust a Linux FS for anything. Just a handful of weeks ago the Ext4 system revealed a new deadly flaw. I thought for years it was me -- but, I've been vindicated. It was that damn FS afterall. I still use it though. Just have to make sure all my Ext4 drives are backed up on a NTFS server. I won't go to BTRFS yet either due to the deadly flaws it's still wooing in the shadows of users being guinea pigs. Granted Windows NT4 had the same problems that the Linux world is going through now -- but, largely those issues have been fixed. Not to say "**** doesn't happen" becaue it does. Made to make a choice and I could afford it -- Windows server FS is the one I do trust the most.
My actual job title is Linux Engineer...I work for a federal contractor that uses it in datacenters in mission critical roles. It is a well known fact to all of us that the only servers that just run without incident are the *nix ones.
With that said, there is definitely a lot of open source crapware. People start things...lose interest...etc. It's best to stick with the known good software unless you're prepared to deal with some setbacks.
With that said, there is definitely a lot of open source crapware. People start things...lose interest...etc. It's best to stick with the known good software unless you're prepared to deal with some setbacks.
Wonder when was the last time you even touched Windows. Vista maybe? Fix problems? I can't remember when the last time I had a problem in windows 7 and it's not just me. I know plenty of clients who don't have problems.
Of course you have the real support problem with Linux. Install the latest Ubuntu version [12.04] and Canonical will support it for how long before you have to upgrade? Every time you upgrade your system is down for a while during the upgrade and then you find out something doesn't work.
Or maybe you want a nice MFP but drivers aren't available for Linux except maybe some odd workaround that gives you partial features.
Don't tell me this never happened in Linux...
Of course you have the real support problem with Linux. Install the latest Ubuntu version [12.04] and Canonical will support it for how long before you have to upgrade? Every time you upgrade your system is down for a while during the upgrade and then you find out something doesn't work.
Or maybe you want a nice MFP but drivers aren't available for Linux except maybe some odd workaround that gives you partial features.
Don't tell me this never happened in Linux...
the easiest one was finding the well buried default security policy that turned the wi-fi system off after 15 minutes of non use. The old lady was complaining about having to keep turning it off and on to make the wi-fi work.
Finding Win 7 drivers for printers originally designed to work with XP - woops, sorry don't have them because MS changed the commands AGAIN. A client has a few thousand dollars of CD data files that don't work now as the new systems have Win 7 and they don't use the same commands as the Win 98 and Win 2000 the search programs on them were created for. And NO, the Win XP mode does NOT work with all Win 2000 and Win XP software. Awaiting HQ approval to install a VM to be able to use the CDs again, but have an old box on hand to use them at the moment.
Ayep, Win 7 JUST works, but only with Win 7 compatible software and hardware.
Finding Win 7 drivers for printers originally designed to work with XP - woops, sorry don't have them because MS changed the commands AGAIN. A client has a few thousand dollars of CD data files that don't work now as the new systems have Win 7 and they don't use the same commands as the Win 98 and Win 2000 the search programs on them were created for. And NO, the Win XP mode does NOT work with all Win 2000 and Win XP software. Awaiting HQ approval to install a VM to be able to use the CDs again, but have an old box on hand to use them at the moment.
Ayep, Win 7 JUST works, but only with Win 7 compatible software and hardware.
command sets means I don't know what I'm doing! I wasn't the one who elected to NOT follow the standards, that was the Microsoft management deciding to do that so they could push for Vendor lock-in and make more money. They choose to build in incompatibilities to force people to pay them more money.
SKDT,
At least Linux has the setting where they're easier to find and allow for any easier way to adjust them. But really, turn wi-fi off after 15 minutes as a default - that's just plain stupid.
SKDT,
At least Linux has the setting where they're easier to find and allow for any easier way to adjust them. But really, turn wi-fi off after 15 minutes as a default - that's just plain stupid.
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was actually XP- and I abandoned that, ultimately, for Ubuntu, because I found myself spending way too much time on system maintenance- registry issues, cleaning up malware, rebuilding the system because it just became unstable for no obvious reason. Upgrading a Windows system (beginning with Win 3.1) generally resulted in breaking critical apps, and rendering ancillary hardware non functional.
I stopped upgrading my Ubuntu at 10.04, because of personal insecurity over the Unity/GNOME 3 trends- going directions I have no desire to go. But, back when I would upgrade the system, it was generally painless and straight forward, as installing a Linux distro on a new system (no need to seek out obscure drivers, etc. to get my hardware to work- everything just works nicely) is straight-forward and simple. Most importantly, I have never had a problem with legacy software (or hardware) working with a Linux update.
As to quality of software, within the scientific community, the best, BY FAR, solutions are generally Open Source and developed on *.nix platforms. Such outfits as NIST, Argonne National Laboratories, EDF of France, as well as many universities throughout the world, release scientific analysis packages that outperform, in terms of both capabilities and speed, most any commercial package I have explored. For you CAD jockeys out there, brlCAD, released as an Open Source package by the US Military Ballistics Research Laboratory, was doing things 20 years ago that commercial 3D modeling systems are only now starting to adopt- including very sophisticated ray tracing, etc. What a lot of Open Source software lacks is the fancy eye candy of the GUI, which actually interferes with performance...
I stopped upgrading my Ubuntu at 10.04, because of personal insecurity over the Unity/GNOME 3 trends- going directions I have no desire to go. But, back when I would upgrade the system, it was generally painless and straight forward, as installing a Linux distro on a new system (no need to seek out obscure drivers, etc. to get my hardware to work- everything just works nicely) is straight-forward and simple. Most importantly, I have never had a problem with legacy software (or hardware) working with a Linux update.
As to quality of software, within the scientific community, the best, BY FAR, solutions are generally Open Source and developed on *.nix platforms. Such outfits as NIST, Argonne National Laboratories, EDF of France, as well as many universities throughout the world, release scientific analysis packages that outperform, in terms of both capabilities and speed, most any commercial package I have explored. For you CAD jockeys out there, brlCAD, released as an Open Source package by the US Military Ballistics Research Laboratory, was doing things 20 years ago that commercial 3D modeling systems are only now starting to adopt- including very sophisticated ray tracing, etc. What a lot of Open Source software lacks is the fancy eye candy of the GUI, which actually interferes with performance...
Yeah, you get that and I get that, but the dopes at M$ keep changing the UI with every iteration. XP had the Playskool interface, then Vista was all about the special effects, (7 fixed Vista,) and now 8 is all about cutting the special effects and getting back to business, but instead of staying with the tried and true UI from Win2K or XP, they go all Metro and figure the same UI for a smart phone should work on a tablet, laptop, and desktop. Doh!
M$ has all the momentum, (and it has served them well,) but they are doing their best to squander it fast!
Who writes their business plans? Monti Python?
M$ has all the momentum, (and it has served them well,) but they are doing their best to squander it fast!
Who writes their business plans? Monti Python?
and use more sense than has been shown with Win 8
I stand humbly corrected. Never again will I besmirch the good name of Monti Python.
In other news, Microsoft, proving that corporations are indeed people, has been cast in the roll of the "not dead yet" guy in an off off off Broadway production of Spam-a- lot. (Of course, we all know how that works out for him...)
In other news, Microsoft, proving that corporations are indeed people, has been cast in the roll of the "not dead yet" guy in an off off off Broadway production of Spam-a- lot. (Of course, we all know how that works out for him...)
I agree that "non-techies" have no interest in new learning curves. They are already complaining about Windows 7 differences to XP and many are refusing to leave XP and when they find the magic "end of support" date arrives and XP still works, they will continue to use it until the H/W breaks. The same holds true for those who had to move to Windows 7.
If Windows 8 sales turn out to be weak in the "non-techies" market, other companies, besides Dell, will start to look more closely at a Linux distro that still resembles XP (or WIn. 7). ZorinOS is one that comes to mind as Ubuntu has created the same waves in the Linux world as Metro. Plus there seems to be an effort underway to bring back Gnome 2.
If Windows 8 sales turn out to be weak in the "non-techies" market, other companies, besides Dell, will start to look more closely at a Linux distro that still resembles XP (or WIn. 7). ZorinOS is one that comes to mind as Ubuntu has created the same waves in the Linux world as Metro. Plus there seems to be an effort underway to bring back Gnome 2.
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