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        <title><![CDATA[Mark, what you say is true and a major reason why the IT industry is so]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[screwed up in so many ways in so many places.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Deadly Ernest]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:53:02 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Even so...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[...it's likely they'll judge candidates against what they wrote in the ad, since those are their expectations. This is the reason I've said for a while that just responding to ads, or going through headhunters--by itself--doesn't do that much for you, because the hiring criteria that an HR Dept. or headhunting agency uses to hire IT people makes little sense. Sure, use the traditional channels, because you never know. It may pan out, but also try to get in contact with people who work at companies you're interested in, who are technically knowledgeable, and are capable of making a hiring decision, or know someone who is, and get them your resume (or I guess they call them &quot;CVs&quot; now). Try lots of different avenues.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Miller]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:11:04 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[I spoke to a headhunter company recruiter about this in the mid 1990s]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[and she said it often happened by mistake. The people writing the ads take ads for other programming languages or IT skills and just change the name of the language / skill set not knowing it's a brand new language / skill just that the client wants someone with it.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Deadly Ernest]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 13:02:38 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[It's been going on for as long as I can remember]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[In an SE course I took around 1991 our prof. told us about employers who were looking for Ada programmers in the 1980s with &quot;4 years experience&quot; with it, when the language had only been around for 2 years. He thought it was just as dumb then.I used to find this really frustrating. I came up with a theory several years ago that perhaps the whole thing with &quot;years of experience&quot; is code put out by employers that they're looking for someone that they can assign mid-level or senior duties. Any time I saw an ad looking for &quot;4 years experience,&quot; they always talked about the candidate being capable of leading a project. In other words it's got nothing to do with the language. Rather, they're looking for someone who knows the language well enough that they can contribute to design decisions, or lead a software project using it. What they think is, &quot;A senior worker would have X years experience with this language.&quot; They can't wrap their head around how a programmer who's had senior-level experience with other languages could spend several months with the new language, and do senior-level work with it.On the other hand, back in the early 2000s, I had a conversation with an employer about this, and he said that there are programmers out there who have spent a lot of time with the beta versions of a new language, and so would have a couple years experience with it before it was RTM. But those people are few and far between, in my estimation, and the number of employers looking for them outnumber them.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Miller]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 12:30:09 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[It's about more than the tech skills...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[... it includes things like methodologies and such too. For example, 5, 6 years ago, Agile didn't make sense to me outside of certain teams. The tools and systems we were using just could not handle Agile! Imagine trying to do Agile without things like modern continuous integration servers, automated builds and unit testing, etc. Sure, you could be &quot;Agile&quot; but it really held you back. Today, the tooling has improved to the point where Agile is much more accessible to the average developer/team. So while &quot;Agile doesn't make sense for most folks&quot; was a reasonable statement 5 years ago, it no longer is; Agile is now a path that can be taken if folks choose and it won't be an uphill battle.And that's what I mean by obsolete thinking. It isn't just the tools, it's the techniques. You can use a tool like WinForms well past its time of mainstream dominance, and there's nothing wrong with that. But holding onto current thinking iconoclastically is not beneficial long term.J.Ja]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Justin James]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:26:32 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[And the way the recruitment people work are a laugh too.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[January year X - a new programming language GRUFF comes out that has all the bells and whistles, just been invented by Genius Y after working on it for 6 months.March year X - GRUFF declared the hottest thing and the most in demand language code ever.April year X - IT recruiters world wide have advertisements out for people skilled in working with GRUFF, must have two years experience. -- Don't laugh, it happens in IT so often it's NOT funny.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Deadly Ernest]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 15:35:31 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Obsolete tech]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I think the main things I discovered about &quot;obsolete tech&quot; are that you have to get over being drawn to the buzz, the hot new thing. At least in the areas I looked, you *must* have other capacities besides knowing how to program. And last, but not nearly least, you cannot expect to get into those areas as an entry-level developer. The expectation is, as has been the case for even the &quot;hot&quot; programming disciplines for the past 10 years, that you've had some experience with the technologies, and the other capacities they'll want you to use on the job. I don't know how you'd break into these positions just out of college. I don't think even an internship would qualify you for them. Perhaps the best route would be something that Justin talked about a while back: Work on an open source project, using those capacities, and show what you can do with them.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Miller]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 13:23:52 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[I'll just take a moment to say there's one heck of a difference between]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[old technology and obsolete technology. As long as it still has valid current uses it's not obsolete, despite it's age. Cobol is one example, another is the sail boat - it's one of the oldest technologies still in use, and wheelbarrows are another - old but still valid use for them all.Just because companies like Microsoft like to make unneeded deliberate changes to force people off working IT technology doesn't mean the stuff MS wants pushed aside for their personal profits is obsolete.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Deadly Ernest]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 12:58:39 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Agreed ...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[There are far too many businesses that depend on &quot;obsolete&quot; tech -- because it STILL WORKS! And the number of businesses still dependent on millions of lines of COBOL and other &quot;old&quot; tech languages pales in comparison to the number of businesses dependent on documents and tools created in Microsoft Office and other Windows applications -- neither of which will disappear before whatever current hot tech platform has been replaced with the latest and greatest.Change can be a good thing and is absolutely necessary. It just never seems to happen as fast as we in tech might hope nor nearly as fast as the pundits and prognosticators predict.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[SAAsh]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 11:22:15 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Personal]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I really enjoyed the personal side of this story.  As a man with a wife and child of my own, I sometimes wonder it everyone else is a dedicated, never have any time for anything else programming monster and if I am the odd ball.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[ParaAdmin]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 10:37:09 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Guaranteed path to obsolescence]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I've been in this business for going on 30 years and I hear this every year: 'Watch out, if you don't learn technology X or buy software package Y (both of which I happen to be selling), you're going to be obsolete&quot;.  Whoooo -- I'm so scared.  And so are many of the people who I went to school with, who are still coding happily away in languages such as Cobol and RPG.  I'm not saything things haven't changed a bit, I'm just saying that threatening obsolescence should become obsolete.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[darcyi@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 10:14:12 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[That says it all]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[&quot; If you hold onto current beliefs indefinitely in this industry, you are on the guaranteed path to obsolescence.&quot;That says it all...]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[omg.itlead@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 09:50:25 -0800</pubDate>
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