I'm just not seeing the value of moving to Windows 8 on my business desktops or laptops. There is no must have feature there, there are training demands that my users really shouldn't have to go through, and Windows 7 still has a long life ahead of it.
There will no doubt be a point when something comes out that will only work on Windows 8 and above. At that point, there may be a reason to upgrade. I just don't see that happening for at least two more years for any applications that we use here.
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a heading like "Whining objections to Windows 8 Easily Overcome, when not pure fiction" comes across as trolling, but you do make some valid points: security (mostly this isn't seen and therefore not appreciated); and stability (although 7 is very stable here). I'm not sure what exactly you mean by 'forgiving behaviour', but I can report running a pretty big piece of software from 1999 (Freehand 9), and it runs better than on XP or 7 (minor 'dysfunctionalities' are gone in 8). The other side of the coin is that I think you must have gotten the bug free version of 8
In mine:
(1) random mouse movements activate the charmsbar (and tell me the time). I've tried registry fixes to no avail. This is the killer for me and I'm not alone (although there appear to be variations on this one - maybe hardware is a factor). Simple fix: - MS gives us ability to turn it off.
(2) I get (what feels like) randomly thrown from one interface to the other. If they weren't so visually different this might be easier to cope with - but it would be just that - "coping". I dont want to cope with my OS, I want it to help me get things done. [technically not a bug - but it's the kind of behaviour that normally would get removed before moving from beta]. Not such a simple fix for MS.
(3) I have found a successful work-around to MS forcing the Tiles on us and can now boot to desktop ("coping" anyone?) [again, not a bug - unfortunately it's more like getting the finger from MS. See quote below, and 1ronman's full post]. A simple fix for MS: choice please.
(4) there is no reasonable excuse (apart from maybe quote below) for removing the start menu. It affects me *relatively* little (I'm keyboard friendly, & for years now I've used an app launcher) but for the things I seldom do where there's a shortcut in there, I need a workaround (btw thanks for your recommendation, I'm unhappy with classic start menu). A simple fix for MS: choice please.
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the above (mainly 1 & 2) are enough to stop me using it - thankfully I have a choice
I pray for the day that MS will decide they've done enough advertising for 'the Tiles' and allow desktop users to be just that.
Quote from "1ronman" (More Windows 8 hating):
"With Windows 8, it appears that Microsoft has provided a user interface that you have to bypass or work around to use your computer. So far, everything seems like change so we can get some more of your money. I hope time proves me wrong..."
a heading like "Whining objections to Windows 8 Easily Overcome, when not pure fiction" comes across as trolling, but you do make some valid points: security (mostly this isn't seen and therefore not appreciated); and stability (although 7 is very stable here). I'm not sure what exactly you mean by 'forgiving behaviour', but I can report running a pretty big piece of software from 1999 (Freehand 9), and it runs better than on XP or 7 (minor 'dysfunctionalities' are gone in 8). The other side of the coin is that I think you must have gotten the bug free version of 8
In mine:
(1) random mouse movements activate the charmsbar (and tell me the time). I've tried registry fixes to no avail. This is the killer for me and I'm not alone (although there appear to be variations on this one - maybe hardware is a factor). Simple fix: - MS gives us ability to turn it off.
(2) I get (what feels like) randomly thrown from one interface to the other. If they weren't so visually different this might be easier to cope with - but it would be just that - "coping". I dont want to cope with my OS, I want it to help me get things done. [technically not a bug - but it's the kind of behaviour that normally would get removed before moving from beta]. Not such a simple fix for MS.
(3) I have found a successful work-around to MS forcing the Tiles on us and can now boot to desktop ("coping" anyone?) [again, not a bug - unfortunately it's more like getting the finger from MS. See quote below, and 1ronman's full post]. A simple fix for MS: choice please.
(4) there is no reasonable excuse (apart from maybe quote below) for removing the start menu. It affects me *relatively* little (I'm keyboard friendly, & for years now I've used an app launcher) but for the things I seldom do where there's a shortcut in there, I need a workaround (btw thanks for your recommendation, I'm unhappy with classic start menu). A simple fix for MS: choice please.
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the above (mainly 1 & 2) are enough to stop me using it - thankfully I have a choice
I pray for the day that MS will decide they've done enough advertising for 'the Tiles' and allow desktop users to be just that. Quote from "1ronman" (More Windows 8 hating):
"With Windows 8, it appears that Microsoft has provided a user interface that you have to bypass or work around to use your computer. So far, everything seems like change so we can get some more of your money. I hope time proves me wrong..."
Apparently Windows 8 gets about 1 or 2% faster frame rates.
But then it still loses to Linux which gets about 10% faster frame rates.
http://steamforlinux. com/?q=en/node/74
But then it still loses to Linux which gets about 10% faster frame rates.
http://steamforlinux. com/?q=en/node/74
Here is one idiotic but simple reason why Windows 8 will have problems. I was at someone's house yesterday and was asked how to change the profile picture.
Seems simple enough. Go to the Control Panel, select User Accounts and change the picture for the account.
Nope. They pulled that option.
It is now in PC Settings in the charm "menu". Why?
Keep everything in one place!
Even better, if you want it in a new place, that's fine but leave it in the old place as well.
Like in windows 7 and before you could access the Device Manager from the Control Panel or right clicking My Computer on the desktop.
But to split user account settings in two?
Seems simple enough. Go to the Control Panel, select User Accounts and change the picture for the account.
Nope. They pulled that option.
It is now in PC Settings in the charm "menu". Why?
Keep everything in one place!
Even better, if you want it in a new place, that's fine but leave it in the old place as well.
Like in windows 7 and before you could access the Device Manager from the Control Panel or right clicking My Computer on the desktop.
But to split user account settings in two?
I have had my W8 laptop for 2 months. It has locked up or crashed at least a dozen times. I upgraded to Pro right away. I have 6 Gig and a I7 with a 500 gig hd. I should run rings around anything out there short of a SSD. But it is slow and unresponsive. It reminds me so much of Vista I had to look at the tag to make sure what I had.
It crashed and locked up a lot, which looked like it was associated with App updates that I did not even ask for and had set my Windows updates to Download but let me install. I got worried about system stability so I did a SFC and it found 13 corrupt system files. It was able to fix them. I ran it again to make sure.
I have set up WLMail by downloading Windows Live and using it on the desktop. I do not want the Metro and it is always trying to get in the way.
Microsoft needs to bring out SP1 for W8. And like everyone else we need the Start Menu and the X in the Apps.
KG
It crashed and locked up a lot, which looked like it was associated with App updates that I did not even ask for and had set my Windows updates to Download but let me install. I got worried about system stability so I did a SFC and it found 13 corrupt system files. It was able to fix them. I ran it again to make sure.
I have set up WLMail by downloading Windows Live and using it on the desktop. I do not want the Metro and it is always trying to get in the way.
Microsoft needs to bring out SP1 for W8. And like everyone else we need the Start Menu and the X in the Apps.
KG
I had similar issues on one of my machines. I found out the cause of the lockups/crashes was that I needed to update my BIOS. Once I updated the BIOS I reinstalled Win 8 and it has been smooth ever since.
I hate the Win 8 interface from the screen with all the apps to the complications to enter commands.. Bring the start menu and search\ type in box. Microsoft, if its not broken stop trying to fix it. KISS - Keep it simple stupid. The only reason I'm using Win 8 is because it came with my brand new laptop. Thinking about "downgrading" to Win 7. Well I don't consider it a down grade.
Gisabun hit it on the head and I think is one of the things people hate the most about new versions of Windows. most of the functionality we have grown accustom to is still there but moving functions and tools, splitting them up, changing how you get to them, renaming them, hiding them...come on Microsoft, thats dumb
And bloating.
Consolidation is a good thing.
For example, in Windows 7, there is two user control panels.
One under "control panel" and the other under "control panel/all control panel items"
The only way to get to all panel items is to change the view to icons. That's pretty counter intuitive.
In Windows 8, type DPI, and you get two options for DPI settings, one is desktop, other is Metro, why did they do this? And it doesn't tell you which is which. Same happens if you type printer.
Windows has been a mess for a long time, and MS keeps making it worse.
Consolidation is a good thing.
For example, in Windows 7, there is two user control panels.
One under "control panel" and the other under "control panel/all control panel items"
The only way to get to all panel items is to change the view to icons. That's pretty counter intuitive.
In Windows 8, type DPI, and you get two options for DPI settings, one is desktop, other is Metro, why did they do this? And it doesn't tell you which is which. Same happens if you type printer.
Windows has been a mess for a long time, and MS keeps making it worse.
It's no more complex than having two doors in your house. You know where they are and you choose the one that's closest. If you have the option of a keyboard shortcut, a button on a ribbon and a custom toolbar, you use the toolbar or ribbon if your hand is on the mouse already and the keyboard shortcuts if your hands are already on the keyboard.
The fact that the old commands/procedures are still there is a good thing. Many people complain about having to learn new ways of doing things. In many cases, you don't have to because the vendor leaves that old stuff there for you.
The fact that the old commands/procedures are still there is a good thing. Many people complain about having to learn new ways of doing things. In many cases, you don't have to because the vendor leaves that old stuff there for you.
It's more someone added a foyer inside the front door when you didn't want one. It's an unnecessary room with nothing in it that interests you, but you have no choice but to pass through it and open another door to get to where you really wanted to be in the first place.
It is king of funny how we see things differently. Since I first loaded the Win 8 DP in my PC I felt that it is going to be best MS OS thus far and loaded it promptly to two others at home for a great benefit for the users. I have also used most PC OS's since early DOS days and for my opinion Windows 8 is the best OS so far from MS. Now considering how my family uses Pc's and laptops it might not be something that others do. On the other hand we use all the office applications and if counting every one for the addition for general, what people I know do, we use them for multimedia including editing, CAD, photo editing and games. Might have forgotten something. It works with lots of legacy programs that I use from around 2000. Don't know much about older programs as I don't use them any more. Some companies are bad for older device drivers like for printers and scanners, but the those didn't work on Windows 7 either.
"The only thing wrong with Windows 8 is that, unless you have a mobile or tablet device, you dont really need it. While Windows 8 is an acceptable operating system for a desktop it is not really much different than Windows 7."
I'd rather have more than acceptable.
I'd rather have more than acceptable.
... a *lot* different. There's that desktop to fool you into thinking it's the same, but in reality there are so many changes that you are living in a fool's paradise if you think of 8 in the same terms as 7. It's like they built on a whole annex to the house, and added that front entrance hall at the same time - one door takes you to the (renovated) old part of the house - Win7 - and the other two doors take you to the completely separate new sections of the house, built on those ugly blue screens. I'm tempted to add "of death" but that would be unkind, wouldn't it?
I got it with a new laptop from ACER as a gift for my Xmas & 75th B'day
I do not like either
I do not see win 8 as any improvement over Win 7 which I enjoy!
The new laptop no indication of hard disk working?
Lousy battery life 1 hour and 59 minutes despite their claims. there are a few others.
The one excellent property is the hidden partition which enables a reinstallation. Good because I have had to do it no less than 3 times, but it did not recover all some inbuilt apps did not appear and on doing several searches established that they were no longer in the m/c.
Meaning that both ACER and MS did not do their jobs correctly
I do not like either
I do not see win 8 as any improvement over Win 7 which I enjoy!
The new laptop no indication of hard disk working?
Lousy battery life 1 hour and 59 minutes despite their claims. there are a few others.
The one excellent property is the hidden partition which enables a reinstallation. Good because I have had to do it no less than 3 times, but it did not recover all some inbuilt apps did not appear and on doing several searches established that they were no longer in the m/c.
Meaning that both ACER and MS did not do their jobs correctly
HDD activity light, battery life, hidden reinstallation partition, "crapware" apps - these are all provided (or not) by the manufacturer.
The debate on these pages is more about the stupid, confusing (and, despite what they say, *ugly*) interface that MS have chosen to foist on us.
Since the blog post that originated this discussion, I have have more opportunities (forced on me) to work with W8 and I am still not liking it. And neither are the users whose computers it is running on. One of them, admittedly also somewhat above the median age, has been close to tears of frustration more than once. Really not a clever move, Microsoft.
The debate on these pages is more about the stupid, confusing (and, despite what they say, *ugly*) interface that MS have chosen to foist on us.
Since the blog post that originated this discussion, I have have more opportunities (forced on me) to work with W8 and I am still not liking it. And neither are the users whose computers it is running on. One of them, admittedly also somewhat above the median age, has been close to tears of frustration more than once. Really not a clever move, Microsoft.
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