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The info to date does not answer/explain the privacy issue. Millenials may not consider where they are or what they are doing (restaurants, gyms, etc.)of major importance. Things they want private simply are not published. Older users, if less tech savvy, may not even realize what info is public and/or what and why privacy can be limited by privacy settings at various sites and anonymous surfing.
I tried to make that possible distinction in my article, and in some of my earlier comments.
As to what you mean by "Security becomes Big Brother?" As a huge fan of Mr. Blair, I have to ask
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One of the things not many of us stated here is for how long data is stored. If you google someone 10 years form now, do you still get confronted with the indiscretions you posted as a youth?
Paper archives take up valuable building space, digital data much less. So we are much less inclined to clean up "old" and possible obsolete data. And thus they can be accessed much longer.
One more reason to be very carefull what you post on the Internet.
Paper archives take up valuable building space, digital data much less. So we are much less inclined to clean up "old" and possible obsolete data. And thus they can be accessed much longer.
One more reason to be very carefull what you post on the Internet.
Just how many FB or Twitter users are still actually alive?
You realize that when you die there is no way for others to remove what you have posted there?
Col
You realize that when you die there is no way for others to remove what you have posted there?
Col
I still visit a couple of friends pages that have passed away. They live on as memorials for our beloved buddies! 
Even if their relatives deleted them, I imagine they would never disappear from backup over at FB.
Even if their relatives deleted them, I imagine they would never disappear from backup over at FB.
I'll leave a list of account info for my survivors to use at will. Just as i used to have a few friends use my log in for TR, it will be a potpourri of Aidemzo_Adanacs.
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We always view the following generations through our lens of what we understand and believe. The bigger the span in-between, the more our lens finds fault with. Is this fault what the lens finds or a distortion as we are not properly adjusting the focus? Gen Y is naturally far better at adjusting their social privacy settings but their view of privacy is different. Where the Boomer generation goes tisk, tisk, Gen Y finds no big deal since people are human and will err. Gen Y can be more forgiving and tolerant. That opens more sharing by Gen Y then the Boomers who left many things to yard-fence gossiping. Gen Y has their own thoughts and views which will continue to mature as they do. It will mature to what they understand and believe which will distort their lens as they view the generations that follow them.
Since much of this is radically different than what we are used to, we will have to wait and see.
Every generation has differences from the previous ones. Different because the growth, maturity, experiences, etc. each generation goes through has differences which is really a repeat process for each one. In my parent's generation, there were those who would not use the new TV remotes and unplugged the set each night. My generation had comics that made routines based on what we saw as a weird quirk.
Our differences begin because the world we grow up in is different. Yes there are the same issues, good and bad, etc., but still different. The acceleration of technology helps to make the differences even sharper. My generation struggled with hooking up and programming the VCR's. My kids could do that before they went to Kindergarten. Then there is each generation's rebellion against their parent's generation. We grow up and figure out they're not so dumb but the rebellion leaves its mark as different thought processes are developed along with conclusions. My generation still snickered at the 'slow' students. I've seen many in my kids generation quickly jump to their defense and had no issue with them integrated in their class.
There have been some good discussions along with those where they are trying to sound like a PHD. Some seem to miss that every older generation has wagged their finger at the following ones and saw doom on the horizon for them. Some thirty thousand years later, we're still here. The lens is always out of focus I guess.
Our differences begin because the world we grow up in is different. Yes there are the same issues, good and bad, etc., but still different. The acceleration of technology helps to make the differences even sharper. My generation struggled with hooking up and programming the VCR's. My kids could do that before they went to Kindergarten. Then there is each generation's rebellion against their parent's generation. We grow up and figure out they're not so dumb but the rebellion leaves its mark as different thought processes are developed along with conclusions. My generation still snickered at the 'slow' students. I've seen many in my kids generation quickly jump to their defense and had no issue with them integrated in their class.
There have been some good discussions along with those where they are trying to sound like a PHD. Some seem to miss that every older generation has wagged their finger at the following ones and saw doom on the horizon for them. Some thirty thousand years later, we're still here. The lens is always out of focus I guess.
I believe I can agree with your sentiments. I even had a flash back to my parents unplugging the television -- way back then. Kudos.
I don't think that young adults more vigilant than older adults. Quite opposite, actually.
The explanation of numbers lies in another dimension:
the older generations less likely to do something shameful, as a result, there is no need to hide. Older gens never put bad info about themselves from the begining, thus why care about privacy settings?
Younger generations still learning the life and likely to indulge something spicy that may compromise them later on.
The explanation of numbers lies in another dimension:
the older generations less likely to do something shameful, as a result, there is no need to hide. Older gens never put bad info about themselves from the begining, thus why care about privacy settings?
Younger generations still learning the life and likely to indulge something spicy that may compromise them later on.
would not agree with your statement if you do nothing shamefull you have nothing to hide...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Appelbaum
But, that does not explain the fact that Millennials knew what Facebook was doing whereas older adults were not aware of the changes. That is seemingly more the issue.
I see two issues here.
Firstly response to requests. Facebook tends to send out a billion emails a day, someone likes a picture, email. Someone likes a comment, email. Someone likes a joke, email. Someone likes a restaurant, email.
I know these can be ignored and in most cases I do, but I do have two people where it is necessary for me to at least have glance and what's up. One is hospitalized and sometimes needs positive reinforcement, though most of the time the important messages are for pictures of cats doing cat things, how much she hates her doctor (or loves him, depending on the time of day), and the ones I hate the very most are those sickeningly sweet poems and quips that belong in a 90's chick flick, or about how horrible men are to women.
Anyhow, I get so much crapola in my free email account that I often just deleted a page or two at a time while only briefly scanning sender. If they are mainly FACEBOOK, it is select all > delete more often than not. If ANY of those Facebook originating emails were about a vote, I'd miss it too. Besides a subject line comment, there's no quick distinction, just "YUCK, a bunch of Facebook crap"...delete. It's a junk email account so it rarely includes anything REALLY important or something I really must know.
The second point was privacy. At almost 44, I'm a little older than the GenY referred to but I get the point all the same. My mother for example would not click ANYTHING without calling me to see if it's safe. I've okayed her using online banking but not responding to banking emails, etc. Anything else, she'll wait until she's asked me about it. Seeing as she doesn't really understand much beyond the absolute basics or attaching a photo to an email, she knows it can be dangerous and sits on the side of caution rather than chance it, which I think is fantastic and very wise. If you don't know, don't click 'YES'!
Myself, I am still VERY skeptical of anything related to finances, besides my online banking. I am sure I give to much security credit than deserved but for, convenience and knowledge that my bank will not hold me liable for most issues, I don' mind it.
When it comes to ANYTHING else, including TR, I am very cautious about personal info. I've had some close calls with lawsuits over comments I make publicly using my real name too, as I used to manage quite a few acts and was contracted to them, my comments could negatively impact people's views of their work, so I always had my guard up anyway.
My nephew couldn't care less, he'll use his name, he'll post his photos, he'll use his phone for anything he wants etc. The Internet is still a safe place for him, at age 19.
So, your observation is quite accurate, in my opinion. The older us old farts get, the more weary and untrustworthy we become, in many cases this is a good thing too. I think it is also coupled with LIFE EXPERIENCE.
When I was younger ANYONE was my friend. Got candy in your car mister? Great I'll jump in! (well perhaps not that far but still...depends what kind of candy we are talking about too)
Being in corporate sales, the more customers I talk to, the less I trust people and that's been going on for decades now to the point where I am weary about trusting anyone anymore. Their are so many business idiots out there, who have no business being in business, it boggles my mind, and I think that makes me skeptical and cautious to accept anyone or any website's word.
As you know very well, I am cynical and skeptical, I question everything I read here as well as the source(s) that it comes from, except you of course, I'd trust you with my life. (LOL, suuuuure I would.)
But is that such a bad thing?
Should I accept someone saying "it's secure?" even when I don't trust or haven't qualified the website or technology?
Is it that I don't know any better and it's simply fear, uncertainty and doubt?
Am I just being wise from experience?
I don't know really but if I haven't provided any info that COULD possibly harm me, then I guess mayve I err on the side of caution too.
Thanks again Mark, great article!
Firstly response to requests. Facebook tends to send out a billion emails a day, someone likes a picture, email. Someone likes a comment, email. Someone likes a joke, email. Someone likes a restaurant, email.
I know these can be ignored and in most cases I do, but I do have two people where it is necessary for me to at least have glance and what's up. One is hospitalized and sometimes needs positive reinforcement, though most of the time the important messages are for pictures of cats doing cat things, how much she hates her doctor (or loves him, depending on the time of day), and the ones I hate the very most are those sickeningly sweet poems and quips that belong in a 90's chick flick, or about how horrible men are to women.
Anyhow, I get so much crapola in my free email account that I often just deleted a page or two at a time while only briefly scanning sender. If they are mainly FACEBOOK, it is select all > delete more often than not. If ANY of those Facebook originating emails were about a vote, I'd miss it too. Besides a subject line comment, there's no quick distinction, just "YUCK, a bunch of Facebook crap"...delete. It's a junk email account so it rarely includes anything REALLY important or something I really must know.
The second point was privacy. At almost 44, I'm a little older than the GenY referred to but I get the point all the same. My mother for example would not click ANYTHING without calling me to see if it's safe. I've okayed her using online banking but not responding to banking emails, etc. Anything else, she'll wait until she's asked me about it. Seeing as she doesn't really understand much beyond the absolute basics or attaching a photo to an email, she knows it can be dangerous and sits on the side of caution rather than chance it, which I think is fantastic and very wise. If you don't know, don't click 'YES'!
Myself, I am still VERY skeptical of anything related to finances, besides my online banking. I am sure I give to much security credit than deserved but for, convenience and knowledge that my bank will not hold me liable for most issues, I don' mind it.
When it comes to ANYTHING else, including TR, I am very cautious about personal info. I've had some close calls with lawsuits over comments I make publicly using my real name too, as I used to manage quite a few acts and was contracted to them, my comments could negatively impact people's views of their work, so I always had my guard up anyway.
My nephew couldn't care less, he'll use his name, he'll post his photos, he'll use his phone for anything he wants etc. The Internet is still a safe place for him, at age 19.
So, your observation is quite accurate, in my opinion. The older us old farts get, the more weary and untrustworthy we become, in many cases this is a good thing too. I think it is also coupled with LIFE EXPERIENCE.
When I was younger ANYONE was my friend. Got candy in your car mister? Great I'll jump in! (well perhaps not that far but still...depends what kind of candy we are talking about too)
Being in corporate sales, the more customers I talk to, the less I trust people and that's been going on for decades now to the point where I am weary about trusting anyone anymore. Their are so many business idiots out there, who have no business being in business, it boggles my mind, and I think that makes me skeptical and cautious to accept anyone or any website's word.
As you know very well, I am cynical and skeptical, I question everything I read here as well as the source(s) that it comes from, except you of course, I'd trust you with my life. (LOL, suuuuure I would.)
But is that such a bad thing?
Should I accept someone saying "it's secure?" even when I don't trust or haven't qualified the website or technology?
Is it that I don't know any better and it's simply fear, uncertainty and doubt?
Am I just being wise from experience?
I don't know really but if I haven't provided any info that COULD possibly harm me, then I guess mayve I err on the side of caution too.
Thanks again Mark, great article!
We older farts are becoming paranoid? 
(not I think)
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you
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And in my line of business (IT admin) it's not a question of being paranoid, but am I paranoid enough...
And THAT makes me more wary of privacy issues...
(not I think)Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you
Off topic:
And in my line of business (IT admin) it's not a question of being paranoid, but am I paranoid enough...
And THAT makes me more wary of privacy issues...
I prefer to call myself paranoid instead of jaded due to being an old fart.
When I saw this in this mornings e mail I had to have a second look and well what can I say. The opening is this
New Twitter App Lets You Keep Tweeting After Death
Twitter enthusiasts need not worry about what will become of their
social network accounts after they have died. A new service promises to
continue sending out tweets on behalf of the deceased long ...
www.infopackets.com/news/internet/2013/20130225_new_twitter_app_lets_you_keep_tweeting_after_death.htm
I'm still more than a bit speechless.
Col
New Twitter App Lets You Keep Tweeting After Death
Twitter enthusiasts need not worry about what will become of their
social network accounts after they have died. A new service promises to
continue sending out tweets on behalf of the deceased long ...
www.infopackets.com/news/internet/2013/20130225_new_twitter_app_lets_you_keep_tweeting_after_death.htm
I'm still more than a bit speechless.
Col
if you could ask for spooky messages to randomly be sent out by the account! 
Wow, that would be a real monument to your(my) passing!
Wow, that would be a real monument to your(my) passing! 
For golfers, post scores from Sawgrass or Augusta.
For drivers, post lap times for Nürburgring or other major race courses
...
The truly morbid could have some serious fun with this!
For drivers, post lap times for Nürburgring or other major race courses
...
The truly morbid could have some serious fun with this!
Of my body in it's grave today?
Maybe even a Web Cam to show those interested.
NA way too morbid for me.
Col
Maybe even a Web Cam to show those interested.
NA way too morbid for me.
Col
A 12 year old that I discovered who had sneaked in over a monitored Phone line over 32 thousand times and lifted the constructional plans of a Air Force fighter.
If he had not of published the constructional plans in his school newspaper he would never have been caught either. Where he was silly was in not knowing what it was that he had as he had no idea of what he had got or the Security Rules broken in getting it easily.
That was a very long time ago now and unlike the plans that he lifted anything that could identify him is still Top Secret.
That was done with a Commodore 64 when they where newish so it's been quite a while now.
Col
If he had not of published the constructional plans in his school newspaper he would never have been caught either. Where he was silly was in not knowing what it was that he had as he had no idea of what he had got or the Security Rules broken in getting it easily.
That was a very long time ago now and unlike the plans that he lifted anything that could identify him is still Top Secret.
That was done with a Commodore 64 when they where newish so it's been quite a while now.
Col
I would love to learn more, particularly what happened to the boy, and what he is doing now.
I had a Vic20 and I managed to hack into the local computer store and play Frogger on their system!
Now if you compare that to building a fighter plane, you'll find Frogger is a more fun...not to mention less expensive!
Now if you compare that to building a fighter plane, you'll find Frogger is a more fun...not to mention less expensive!
You didn't have a bunch of Armed FBI Officers raid your home at 2.00 AM brandishing automatic weapons.
According to the court records the Kid was accused of attempting to run away before the FBI Officers identified themselves. Hardly surprising if you ask me as I consider that Common Sense.
Col
According to the court records the Kid was accused of attempting to run away before the FBI Officers identified themselves. Hardly surprising if you ask me as I consider that Common Sense.
Col
if I saw that coming - I'd assume it was drug cartel gang members coming to rob me or commit some kind of sick revenge. I've been an outspoken critic of molly-coddling gang organizations, so that would be my first assumption, unless they were properly uniformed as officers, that is. Problem is, a lot of law enforcement organization come to the party with under cover agents that are NOT uniformed, and then wonder why their suspects react in such a way. Doh! 
The FBI was in Uniform but that is pure black clothing including some sort of Face Covering and FBI in Day-glow Yellow on their backs. Apparently for some strange reason when the burst in through doors and windows they are not running backward so you can see the FBI Logo, so the sane reaction is to get the hell out of there and ask questions latter.
One of the times that being in Uniform doesn't help all that much.
Col
One of the times that being in Uniform doesn't help all that much.
Col
That's for sure, Col!!! I guess I shouldn't be laughing, because it wouldn't be funny if it happened to me!
I guess I shouldn't be laughing, because it wouldn't be funny if it happened to me!
It felt the same, as computing was not commonplace, I think there were less than 10 of us in school that had an actual computer, not just a cartridge Atari 2600 system.
It always seemed so covert and risky. What if they call the cops and they raid my house? This was before piracy was commonplace too so nobody really knew if there were repercussions but understood we were hacking/stealing all the same. Within a year I had ditched the Vic20 AND the Commodore 64 and decided it was more fun to play baseball, hockey, soccer, football or whatever outside in a playing field, than to be shut in with a computer and a few dorky classmates.
It always seemed so covert and risky. What if they call the cops and they raid my house? This was before piracy was commonplace too so nobody really knew if there were repercussions but understood we were hacking/stealing all the same. Within a year I had ditched the Vic20 AND the Commodore 64 and decided it was more fun to play baseball, hockey, soccer, football or whatever outside in a playing field, than to be shut in with a computer and a few dorky classmates.
Like many readers I had the same impression that older digital media users had more concern for their privacy but through the book Digital Media Ethics by Charles Ess, as well as the findings in the above studies, we as readers find the exact opposite. In Digital Media Ethics, you see the same topic at hand, Facebook, "The Beacon Program of 2007: many of Facebook's largely younger clientele expressed outrage when confronted with what they considered to be a violation of their privacy." You did not see quite the amount of outrage from the more adult clientele. As a member of Generation Y, I always felt that I was an exception to the amount of privacy I try to ensure when dealing with social media, but to my surprise in both this blog post and Digital Media Ethics by Charles Ess, the younger generations are taking more privacy precautions.
Ess, C. (2010). Digital media ethics. Polity Pr.
Sisilia
Ess, C. (2010). Digital media ethics. Polity Pr.
Sisilia
From what I have seen on the Social Networks it's the exact opposite with their heads in the sand expecting noting to go wrong. The outrage expressed when something happens because it was read on FB or whatever is what I find amusing.
You get things like I posted pictures of me driving a stolen car loosing the police chasing me and they came to my home and arrested me for stealing the car and dangerous driving, they used my postings on FB as evidence against me. Shock Horror how dare they do such a thing and let me convict myself. There is no way I would have admitted to any of that if they had of called me in for an Interview but they used a Private Posting on FB to convict me. For FB you can insert any Social network here.
Same happens when they are called into the Bosses office and dismissed for something that they have posted On Line they think what they place In Public On Line is somehow Private and take no precautions about their own personal details. The outcry about FB using Pictures posted on it recently was a Perfect Example of Complete Stupidity they think that they can somehow Publicly Post things and they they remain private.
Col
You get things like I posted pictures of me driving a stolen car loosing the police chasing me and they came to my home and arrested me for stealing the car and dangerous driving, they used my postings on FB as evidence against me. Shock Horror how dare they do such a thing and let me convict myself. There is no way I would have admitted to any of that if they had of called me in for an Interview but they used a Private Posting on FB to convict me. For FB you can insert any Social network here.
Same happens when they are called into the Bosses office and dismissed for something that they have posted On Line they think what they place In Public On Line is somehow Private and take no precautions about their own personal details. The outcry about FB using Pictures posted on it recently was a Perfect Example of Complete Stupidity they think that they can somehow Publicly Post things and they they remain private.
Col
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