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Occupy Wall St.

I'm excited to see people protesting in the streets about the poor state of our country. I might join them one day! Though they are loosely defined right now, I think Occupy Wall St. is a revolt against greed, money and power, but mostly it???s about the power of the people when they unite for a common cause.

These signs speak for themselves. They are very honest. (some profanity)
http://www.buzzfeed.com/fjelstud/the-best-signs-from-occupy-wall-street

This revolt is fueled by the joblessness in this country and the 2008 financial meltdown caused by reckless banking practices. It???s about the growing inequality between rich and poor. The banks got bailed out on taxpayer money. Failed big businesses, like GM and AIG, were bailed out. The rest of us were left a lot poorer as a result. Four long years after the meltdown, economic conditions look bleaker than ever for many people.

When I look at the Occupy Wall St. protesters, I see people that just want to have a fair shot at a decent life. Isn't that what we all want? They aren???t the Tea Party of the left. I think they are mostly apolitical, at least right now. It will be interesting to see where this growing movement goes and what effect it will have on our government and our lives in the future. I don't think its going away.

They have achieved one major thing so far. They started a conversation in this country about greed and how big money people and corporations control our government, not the people. That's a conversation worth having.

An interesting take . . .
http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/14/opinion/kohn-occupy-protest/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

AV

A union sponsored, Soros funded spectacle with paid protesters. That will REALLY open up good conversations about the economy and jobs.

Its about disgust for our current system by the little people in this country that lost a lot. Its a gut level, honest protest about the state of our country. Its just the beginning.

AV

It IS just the beginning. With the likes of Obama, Pelosi, and Sharpton fanning the flames, we'll soon have riots in the streets, giving them the perfect opportunity to force more of their agenda down our throats without giving us a chance to vote on anything. They'll take away even more of our rights on the pretense of "protecting us".

With the Likes of Palin, Rick Santorum, Donald Trump & Co they would cause Riots in the Streets if they ever rose to a position of Power.

Though personally I do not believe that State Sanctioned Genocide against Peaceful people who's only crime is to disagree with those in power actually constitutes a Riot. Though I suppose them attempting to run away as the State Sponsored Uniformed Terrorists try to kill them is completely unacceptable as it would expand the Collateral Damage to a greater area. But these proposed Leaders have good teachers in Lenin, Starlin, the current Governments of Lebanon & Syria, and so on. Anyone who dares to disagree with leaders like these needs to be Exterminated.

After all it would have to be Treason in their Eyes for someone to disagree with them so they would feel perfectly happy to Order in the National Guard with Orders to Shoot to Kill all those who peacefully disagree with them.

As all these supposed leaders are Right by Birth and can do no wrong can they?

Obviously the Riff Raff who disagree with them are the Rabble than need to trampled underfoot and destroyed for the Good of the Country as how dare anyone disagree with their views on anything.

Remember Greed is Good.

Col [/sarcasm]

Remember, it's only treason if you fail. If you succeed, you're a patriot.

Our federal government doesn't get anything done for the people of this country. They don't represent the people of this country, they represent big money interests.

There are a lot of us riff raff around. Just think what a big voice we can have if we unite.

AV

They could always try what was done in the books if they thought that they were about to lose power.

I think we should collect all the politicians and send them to carousel instead.

over and done with, I say.

What's wrong with having a bit of Fun and getting a Good Laugh at the ramblings of some?

After my posts here some may even believe that I like some Politicians.

Col

With a side of onion rings?

Is if you are silly enough to listen to the Pollies you'll start to pity them very quickly and when that happens the ROT gone beyond the ability to remove stage.

The silly fools actually think what they do is important and that they actually do something constructive when they are actually just Impotent Fools who we tolerate because we can not stand the thought of them being able to mingle with the General Public.

It's better to have them locked up in their Parliament Houses thinking that they are Important and hence leave the real people in peace to attempt to live our lives without Interference.

Col

Neither side represents the people. They all represent Corporate America and Wall St. That's what the problem is.

There's a difference between partnering with business in a joint venture and accepting huge campaign donations to influence policy direction from wealthy donors.

AV

It worked for the other guys, didn't it?

Actually, I don't think anything will be forced down your throat, though. Except Obama continuing to uphold the crap that was put in place before he was teh Prez.

The Racist Bigots that make up the Tea Party.

But the reality here is that the people who are involved in the Wall St Protest are all Commies. They refuse to believe that Greed is Good and that Private Enterprise is the best thing since sliced bread.

Shock Horror they even believe that 1% of the population shouldn't hold 90% of the wealth and 99% of the Population should at best have access to 1% of the countries wealth that they maintain.

Obviously Communist Beliefs as there is no other possibility possible.

Col [/Sarcasm]

The head of the C Party USA spoke to the Occupy Chicago rally and many in the crowd applauded and agreed with what was said.

I'd like to see it.

AV

http://www.allamericanblogger.com/18195/occupy-chicago-cheers-announcement-of-support-from-communist-party-usa/
Not so sure I understand it, kinda crazy.

I guess they just wanted to have their voices heard.

AV

Can't beat that with a stick.

Or is it a priori wrong because a communist said it?

that I've seen touting that angle. Care to offer up some links?

You know the Old Story.

Never let the Truth get in the road of a Good Story. All you need do is say a Lie often enough for some to start to believe it, God I see that in the Media all of the time they say that they Report Stories when they are actually pushing their Own Agenda and Making Up what they want to report.

If enough people sprout that Lie on places like Tweeber where the Twits hang out I'm sure that you'll get some Idiot from the Main Stream Media Report it as Fact possibly Fox News? After all what they have has never been described as News just Entertainment.

Though honestly that does kind of worry me that Light Entertainment can be passed off as News and not many question the motives of the Crowd doing it.

Now let me tell you how those members of the Evil Press in Opposition to Rupert Bare, Hacked Rupert's Phone and passed all of the nasty stories to it to be reported in the News of the World.

Poor Little Rupert Bare is the Victim here of a Hostile Takeover, you'll be able to read that soon on Tweeber and the Twits there will believe it.

See it's all a Big Conspiracy to discredit Rupert Bare and take over his Organization. He's the Victim here not the Bad Guy who will do anything to make money.

See tell the same lie often enough and some one somewhere will eventually believe it.

Col

Look at how often you hear:

"The Racist Bigots that make up the Tea Party" without anything to back up the statement.

One of the Tea Party's problems is that it isn't really a party. It's preferred decentralized approach allows anyone to claim he is the leader or spokesman for a local branch. The more outlandish his position, the more media attention he's going to receive, especially internationally.

There are several small but vocal groups from the extreme right wing that have entered their floats in the Tea Party's parade. These include survivalists, neo-Nazis, 'White rights', secessionists, etc. They're not necessarily typical of the movement as a whole, but there's no central organization to distance itself from them.

which would fit, too.

So far they've garnered support from the American Nazi Party, Socialist Party USA, Communist Party USA, and Red China among others.

I didn't say it about OWS because I was unaware of the 'support' you cited.

Or have members of OWS set themselves up as spokespersons for OWS?
Palmetto said the teabaggers were having these problems (of spokepersons which cannot be rejected, because there is no authority to deny them), not that they were in trouble for receiving support from unwanted sources.

If OWS sticks to a single message (unlike the tea party, which seems to have an ever diversifying agenda), they won't have those same problems. Anyone speaking outside the message will have cut themselves out.

"If OWS sticks to a single message (unlike the tea party, which seems to have an ever diversifying agenda)".

Just what is the single message that OWS is supposedly sticking to? I've listened to dozens and dozens of interviews and most of the people don't have a clue why they're there.

And if you're going to continue to call the Tea Party, "teabaggers", please start referring to OWS as "fleabaggers". It's only fair.

No message can't be hijacked.
Anyway, I dunno where I saw the "teabagger" nickname, but I thought it's a fun historical pun. What with carpets and whatnot.

Fleabaggers? How about Scumbaggers? After all the 99 to 1 % thing sets the riff-raff scene nicely.

the "teabagger" moniker is referring to an obscure sexual practice. You know, the kind that only liberals would engage in.

I think you just have your mind in the gutter.

you obviously don't listen to MSNBC.

The idea would be to not let them hijack anything positive.

Corporations are a bad idea, and bad in practice. So is the deregulated financial and trading sector. If the Nazis thing "teh ebul Joos" are in control, well, that's their problem. If the OWS as a whole starts going "mmm, Nazis, yum!", then you have a point.

Coomunists - what are there, like five of them? Oooh, scary dangerous! Dial up McCarthy so he can invent some more to hunt down.

You realize that was a self-adopted name of the teabaggers before they figured out there was another use for the concept of "teabag", right?

It's one of the reasons they are so amusing.

gutter-thinking aside, that's what the -bagger suffix in a political context of the USA triggers first and foremost, at least for me it did.

What is OWS's message? 'I'm mad as Hell and I'm not gonna take it any more!' will only go so far. It's great for venting the spleen and whipping up a crowd, but by itself it won't result in action or change.

Just because someone here posts that Tea Partiers gave themselves that name doesn't make it true.

Liberals have been trying to discredit them since day one and haven't accomplished anything other than make themselves look foolish.

They do it better themselves

1) The Tea 'Party', who point out Soros $ aiding OWS, are themselves the creation of, and beholden to, the infamous Koch Bros.
2) I humbly suggest 'Wallbangers' for OWS's colloquial moniker....

"Thanks; I'll hang up and listen".....*click*

That would be posted and it would break TR completely.

But if you want to look with Open Eyes just pickup any Mass Media Publication and read it. You'll find the necessary information to prove that they are Raciest Bigots.

I don't need to post links to what is the Bleeding Obvious to anyone with even half a Lobotomized head.

Now that we have finished with that lot of scum lets start on the rest of the waste of space Politicians.

Col

all those people of other colors that attend the Tea Party meetings would be shocked to find out they're all racists.

Maybe, it's just the publications you subscribe to.

BTW, did you know if you say the word "guacamole" real slow, it sounds just like you're saying "gullible"?

In the Main Stream Media.

As a person who Hates ALL Politicians I don't give any of them the smallest chance to warp my mind with their misguided beliefs and downright Bull _Shit. Just listen what the so called Members of the Tea Party say they want to achieve and it's very hard to believe that they are anything but what they are.

Of course if you are a fully Lobotomized Fool who believes that Politicians are there for our own good and firmly believe the saying Hi I'm from the Government and I'm here to help you. There is no hope as not even the Gullible believe that crap.

Once upon a Time in a Galaxy Far Far away I was involved in the starting of a Community Group and the Loonies that crawled out of the woodwork attempting to Hijack that Organizations Agenda for their own ends had to be seen to be believed.

Needless to say getting rid of the Loonies and Red Necks was the easy part as once they even looked as if that crowd had been involved no one took any notice of the Organization again and just dismissed them as Fringe Loonies.

It took 2 years to get back to where we where before that first Open Meeting which was open the the public where groups like the Confederate Action Party, Survivalists, neo-Nazis, 'White rights', secessionists, etc. We even had members of Shin Fein wanting to join.

When you let it be known that you associate with those type of people you are shot before you begin and unless you do something to stop them hijacking your Agenda which the Tea Party Has Not you get exactly what you deserve.

If you are happy to be associated with those people to get Press Coverage you are a Racist Bigot who deserves no second thought.

Basically if you do nothing to prevent that type of Person/Organization from representing you and actively encourage them to you are ignored from the very beginning as a Dangerous Bunch of Fringe Radicals who need to be shut down at best and left alone to stew in their own juices normally.

Just remember that the Brown Shirts in Germany expounded exactly the same beliefs as the Reported Tea Party does now and look where that took us all for a lovely ride. You want to associate with Loonies you get exactly what you deserve.

Of course if you care to post links to the Tea Party decrying the comments that have been made in it's name I'm all ears but currently they don't exist. As things currently stand the Tea Party Group is nothing more than Media _Whores who will say anything to see their names in the Press.

Col

All I'm hearing from this crowd is complaints. If they've offered a single viable suggestion, I haven't yet heard it. In this, they're not different from the Tea Party movement.

I wonder how many of those in either movement is even registered to vote. Of that 99% they're so concerned with, only 71% were registered in 2008, and only 64% voted. The one-third of us that sit on our butts could easily out-vote that 1% this movement thinks is taking unfair advantage.

http://www.census.gov/prod/2010pubs/p20-562.pdf

big corporate will buy whoever you voted into office

although I do question their deciding the legal entities have the same rights as people, and that donating money is equivalent to speech. I'll stick to my platform of changing campaign finance so that only those registered to vote in a district can donate money to its candidates. If you aren't a registered voter in Miami, you can't contribute to people running for mayor. If you aren't registered in Michigan, you can't donate to its gubernatorial or US senatorial candidates. (Why the hell is the governor of SC fund raising in NY???) You can only vote for one candidate in the primary and one in the general election, so you can only donate to one candidate in each of those contests.

It will take a Constitutional amendment to override the Supremes' decisions. It would certainly save candidates all that fund raising they claim they abhor. It would also take corporation, unions, non-profits, etc. out of the game.