Odd as it may seem, that was my intention. I was trying to make the point that the money people say was 'given' to banks and auto manf's. was actually loaned or used to purchase ownership (stock). The paybacks may involve creative accounting, but the stated intent was that these were loans, not grants, gifts, etc.

Do we consider research grants as gifts? They often go private companies and payback is not expected. Those companies often profit from the results of the research, although not exclusively.

Yeah, we're clicking on this one. Mark it on your calendar.