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Talk about not seeing the forest through the trees!
I have said repeatedly that there's no possible way to get all the guns off the streets, didn't work for booze or drugs either, a senseless war on drugs that your government still spends your money to thwart; It ain't gonna happen, I know, and neither will banning guns...as I have said before.

"The U.S. is not the U.K., where citizens shrug their shoulders and accept restrictions on guns; "

That's unfortunate as people in the UK actually understand their destruction to society and don't stand to promote it. Your 2nd amendment was based on British law that enabled British protestants a right to carry guns for self protection.
I suppose Brits saw the idiocy of such law continuing into more modern society and decided to support change. In America, people are brainwashed like drones for 12 years of school, and every other free minute of their lives, to defend their constitutional rights at all costs. They grow up believing in the Constitution as some believe in a god, in which case neither stand up in today's world.

Not talking about a change in law that STOPS guns, a change in law that makes it take longer to obtain one legally and helps deter impulse/rage killings.

What I get from your post is, unless you can stop it all, any reduction is just a worthless effort? Like I said before, how many is too many? How many lives SAVED is not enough lives SAVED to take action? From my view, if you stop anyone being killed at all, due to an imperfection in law, then that is a system that needed adjustment. Saving life is saving life, stop looking for a total, end all solution, there isn't one, we all agree on that.

And what's all this utter rubbish about restricting anyone's rights? I haven't suggested restricting anyone's rights, unless you feel making it it harder for any yahoo to buy a gun, with little or no screening, to be restricting their rights.

In the cases I noted above, the judge had restricted their rights already, and rightfully so. The BS system of instant gun shopping worked around that court order as it was quicker than the court paperwork was processed and put in the system. A proper waiting period that matched the time it takes to get such court ordered restrictions into the system would have saved THOSE lives and I am sure countless others. I know that, if I was an American and a judge imposed a court order against me, I'd run straight out and buy a gun while I still could. Anyone thinking otherwise is just plain naive!

Any upstanding citizen would STILL be able to own guns just as they are today

I can only imagine what your country would be like if 230 years ago they knew about cars and decided you had a right to drive. "Why should I learn to drive or have a learner's permit? Why can't I just buy a car and go run people over? It's my right to drive! I don't need to wait until the government agencies say I am fit to drive, that's a violation of my rights!"

Given that scenario, I suppose you would still oppose the government making it harder for inexperience, untested drivers to get a licence as it would somehow, in your wild imagination, restrict other people from rightfully driving too. Perhaps it WOULD stop those who SHOULDN'T be driving anyway.

It sounds absolutely ridiculous, but applies in the exact same way. Perhaps you will see why others see you (Americans who support no change in gun ownership laws)a s so freakin' stupid for being so defensive against making sure people are properly cleared to own guns (never gonna happen, one can't change an American mind once it's been programmed for him).

"Intrusive and controlling programs?" What the hell are you even on about now?

GUN SHOP: 'You have to wait 45 days for us to conduct proper security checks and accept your permit application.'

AMERICAN CITIZEN: "OMG, how controlling and intrusive! Why can't I just buy a gun now? I REEEEEEALLY need it today, not next month! I have to have it NOW! My Constitutional rights said there would be no delay for proper security checks...oh, they didn't? well anyway, I still must have one now!"

The guy would sound worse than a 8 year old hoping he can get a PS3 because it's in a sale flyer.

Certainly you are having a laff because nobody, who can live a day without forgetting to breathe, would utter such garbage.

So, did you actually have any relevant comments toward what I said besides a bunch of arguments against what WASN'T said?
Posted by aidemzo_adanac
Updated - 18th Jan