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I liked the article and was wondering if the use of pivot tables was considered, as that is one of the most interesting built in functions of Excel for use in ad hocq data analysis.

Also the use of VBA is an important aspect of using Excel... andtherefore an important aspect in comparing spreadsheet.

Robert.
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Working in a small company, our first choice of software is the software that most of the the job applicants are trained in. We don't want to spend money on retraining just to have them leave in three years. For that reason, we stay main stream which means Microsoft. It cost more for licensing but we think we save money on initial training. We also think that employees like being mainstream - it makes for a more sellable resume'.
If you're sticking with Microsoft because you think you are
saving on training, think again. With .net all your VBA is
circling the bowl. It won't be supported. You will have to
rewrite all you docs and retrain.

Odd, the single most usedargument for staying with Microsoft
is the one that makes the least sense. You have to retrain with
every new release. You have to rewrite because M$ has built-in
incompatibility with older versions. The software is an order
of magnitude more expensive and you are foreced to not only
'upgrade' every couple years but you have to pay for it twice.

Let me see:
1.)I can pay M$ in the neighborhood of $700.00 per machine. Pay
them almost that much again for the priviledge to use it for
three years, Rewrite all my documents and retrain all my
employees with every new release.

2.) I can use software that costs nothing or in the case of
star office, in the enterprise as little as $25.00 per machine.
Software that adheres to open standards so it is not likely to
be superceeded every few years by more proprietary software,
requiring retraining and rewriting. I can write my documents
once. I can train my employees once.

Hmmm.... I have to go with M$. It's my money and I can waste it
anyway I see fit.

It's a no-brainer!!!!!!
If you are going to compare spreadsheets, why not look at important features which everyone including Microsoft fails to consider--it would be a nice upgrade feature to get beyond teh 65000 row limitation--how many rows each of the spreadsheets allows.
Considering that the evaluation was of spreadsheets, the obvious omission and a contender for one of the most popular is Lotus 1-2-3.

How can this be missed off?!
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First article ignored Lotus Word Pro, this one skipped 1-2-3. How can that be? I would be lost without Lotus products.
Ease of use ? Absolutely important to Lotus, yet way down the list for the others.

Lotus wants people to like using their software and look forward to using it each morning - just ask why so many accountants with good knowledge of Excel still much prefer 123.

But then again, aren't the others owned by aspirin companies ??
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Where's he been...
samiz 6th Mar 2002
he omitted the most popular spreadsheet program that there's ever been... Lotus 1-2-3. The success of Microsoft Office over Lotus Smartsuite has only been due to superior marketing, not superior programs. Microsoft has spent huge $$$ to push Office, while IBM has spent virtually nothing to promote Lotus 1-2-3 and Lotus Smartsuite. Lotus 1-2-3 has always gotten the stepchild treatment from IBM because they only bought Lotus to get their hands on Lotus Notes. If office suites were given away like browsers, and the real winner was determined by the end-user, Office would be "old news", just like Netscape browsers, and Lotus Smartsuite would be the dominant suite.
I totally agree that Lotus 123 should have been considered. It was the original and the best and the others are merely poor rip-offs of the genuine article.
If I am ever forced to use excel I always turn on the Lotus transition, navigation and formula evaluation options - that makes excel almost useable.
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Unless something has changed recently, I find that Quattro Pro has a definite advantage over Excel in the creation of graphs. It's much easier to create and specify the information in graphs using Quattro.
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But can you use Pivot Tables in Star office? So far I have not found a way of using them, especially when I want to pivot external data such as .CUB files.
I have owned Corel's 2002 Suite (which has Quatro Pro 10 in it) for some time. Office XP was yet to come out at the time. It is terribly unfair to compare Microsoft's CURRENT product with Corel's OUTDATED VERSION!

PS StarOffice 6 beta is COOOOOOL!
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gdbartle 6th Mar 2002
I agree that the comparison of products is not parallel. Lets give Corel a fair shake and re-evaluate the whole situation. Also, I would like to see a review that focuses more on the the ability of the products to perform under pressure (computation/recalculation times, processor consumption, database interactivity, HTML/Web features, file compression/size, etc.), more from the perspective of a power-user.
The three packages that are compared aren't comparable. Taking a back version of Quatro Pro and a beta of StarCalc (and completely excluding Lotus 1-2-3) and comparing them to the latest production release of Microsoft Excel clearly cannot give a balanced perspective.

The comparison is clearly an apples to oranges to kumquats! Why didn't the author include VisiCalc to show how superior Excel XP is!

Beta versions by definition are not ready for prime time. Back versions are by the vendor'sown admission not good enough any more.

Comparing the latest PRODUCTION versions of the packages would give a fair and balanced review. The article doesn't even scatch the surface on TCO for the packages.
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lame reviews
wordworker 11th Mar 2002
These are some of the shallowest product reviews or comparisons I've ever seen. But hey look at the credentials of the author -what do you expect from an MCSE.
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How come you did not use the latest version of Quatro Pro?
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I've used QuattroPro since it first appeared, so it's my "native (macro/programming) language" and therefore biases my views. I find Excel kind of bloated and pompous. And if it weren't for competition from Corel, MS Office would be priced at $1,999 a copy by now. So I'll probably stay with QuattroPro (which in version 10 is super). But I'm testing StarOffice, and like what I see so far...
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Lotus 1-2-3
samiz 6th Mar 2002
Excel XP, Quattro Pro, and Calc have always been knockoffs of the best spreadsheet program out there - Lotus 1-2-3. If you've ever worked in all of these programs, you know that in 1-2-3, anything that you want to do in a spreadsheet can be done faster, and with at least two-less clicks, than in these other wannabes.
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I have worked with 1-2-3, Excel and Quattro Pro. While they are all good spreadsheets, the difference for me is in the programming tools.

I was a die-hard Lotus guy and wrote a lot of macros in the old "/" syntax in versions 2.0 and 2.2 for DOS. I thought I had died and gone to heaven when I got Version 4.0 for Windows 3.0. I put up with having to rewrite all my macros, and hey, they still worked in Version 5.0 and so did the old "/" commands.

Once IBM took over, all that went out the window. To use the newer .123 file format, I would have to learn LotusScript to do any development.

It's hard to beat Microsoft's VBA development tool that works across all their products. I can open an Access database, find some records and blow them into a Word template or an Excel spreadsheet, all in code. VBA has been relatively stable through many versions of Office. I guess I'll have to eat my words when VBA.Net hits though!
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You hit the nail on the head with you observation regarding programming. It is truly the defining difference in a spreadsheet program. If you don't need to create applications or automate a spreadsheet than pretty much any one will do. But if you want that functionality Excel takes the cake (warts and all).
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I believe that because of the maturity of these applications; chosing which one is basically a personal choice , although it might be decided by a corporate head. I've personally used both Excel Xp and Quattro Pro. I like the way you can work between the two with just a little practice. I believe Quatro Pro has more builtin functions.
On the homepage of of staroffice 6.0beta you can read that it is avalable till Decmber 31th 2001.
You can only download a chinese version.
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Recently I was converting an old DOS spreadsheet program into Excel and found that it was limited in the amount of data that it could handle. All of the data was not imported. Worst of all the program did not notify me that it could not handle all the data. Bad news!! It is next to impossible to find out the limitations of Excel. What about the size (rows/columns) of the other spreadsheets??
just type limits in excels help and ....
Worksheet and workbook specifications

Feature Specification
Maximum number of scenarios Limited by available memory; a summary report shows only the first 251 scenarios
Maximum number of changing cells in a scenario 32
Maximum number of adjustable cells in Solver 200
Maximum number of named views in a workbook Limited by available memory, although the Custom Views dialog box lists only the first 256 views
Number precision 15 digits
Largest allowed positive number 9.99999999999999E307
Smallest allowed negative number -9.99999999999999E307
Smallest allowed positive number 1E-307
Largest allowed negative number -1E-307
Maximum number of iterations 32,767
Maximum size of worksheet arrays 6,553 elements
Maximum number of colors in a workbook 56
Maximum number of cell styles in a workbook 4,000
Maximum number of custom number formats Limited by available memory
Maximum number of selected ranges 2,048
Maximum number of names in a workbook Limited by available memory
Maximum number of arguments in a function 30
Maximum number of nested levels of functions 7
Number of available worksheet functions 329
Maximum number of custom functions Limited by available memory
Maximum number of windows in a workbook Limited only by system resources
Maximum number of panes in a window 4
Maximum number of linked sheets Limited by available memory
Zoom range 10 percent to 400 percent
Maximum number of reports Limitedby available memory
Maximum number of sort references 3 in a single sort; unlimited when using sequential sorts
Maximum number of undo levels 16 (default)
Maximum number of fields in a data form 32
Earliest date allowed for calculation January 1, 1900 (January 1, 1904, if 1904 date system is used)
Latest date allowed for calculation December 31, 9999
Maximum number of PivotTables on a sheet Limited by available memory
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Da' Basics
g_zollar@... 19th Mar 2002
I instruct the use of Lotus, Excel, and Quattro Pro and for what the majority of the people do with them a Spreadsheet is a Spreadsheet.
I personally like the ability to use hot keys in Excel which I think is more so than in the others.
While M$ macro language, now VBA, started in Excel I and 99% of those I teach have no use for any scripting language in a spreadsheet, and yes I do know the value of such use, but only if you need it.
Also none of M$ products handle graphics well.
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I am using Lotus Smartsuite which in my opinion is probably the best program to use when opening Excel as well as Quattro files without problem. My only problem is no-one EVER mentions the product anymore and it is still very much alive and kicking!Can anyone maybe give me a reason why Lotus Smartsuite is not mentioned? Do you guys know something we don't? Is Lotus dead? Or are someone trying to kill it by not talking about it anymore?

Thank you happy
Gerrit
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