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Our company, TC International, is using Opera as browser. This because of the possibility of having more than 1 window open in 1 browser. Also we could customize the browser so that any pop-up pages, will only pop-up in background. The security is changeble in much more ways than with IE or Netscape or Mozilla.
I switched from Opera to Moz awhile back because Opera was crashing too much for my taste. (Not that Moz is without sin.) Like Opera, Mozilla includes tabbed browsing. Its IRC client, Chatzilla, also uses a tabbed interface to display multiple servers and channels.
Opera's quick preference to disable pop-ups was nice and I miss that in Moz, but the feature is there, just harder to get to. It's in the main Preferences notebook under Advanced | Scripting.
Moz is about to undergo a massive change in direction. Follow the Roadmap link on the Moz home page. The components will be decoupled to make them lean and fast to load, and to reduce interdependencies. Modularity should make the system more robust and hence a better corporate client.
http://www.mozilla.org/
Opera's quick preference to disable pop-ups was nice and I miss that in Moz, but the feature is there, just harder to get to. It's in the main Preferences notebook under Advanced | Scripting.
Moz is about to undergo a massive change in direction. Follow the Roadmap link on the Moz home page. The components will be decoupled to make them lean and fast to load, and to reduce interdependencies. Modularity should make the system more robust and hence a better corporate client.
http://www.mozilla.org/
True Opera is THE Alternative to both of these browsers. Especially appeling to the developer community & users alike with identity Spoofing.
However Opera is not free & not many corporations would invest into a paid products when there is already a free one in their PCs.
However Opera is not free & not many corporations would invest into a paid products when there is already a free one in their PCs.
I am an Opera fan, because of the multiple pages in one window. It still is a little buggy ( I just had to stop it because it was unresponsive). Also, there is the problem of the non-conforming sites. They are fortunately few and far between. Opera will work with the offending site to clean it up (my bank now works with Opera). After that, IE is always up too.
...and tell my clients about its ease of use, smaller file size using less disk space, lack of security problems, text-based mailbox files, range of applications, etc., etc., etc.
Then Netscape started to crash on me for no apparent reason. Over and over, at random points, when I tried to open a specific email, other problem areas. Clients reported the same, and of course it reflected back on me - and I had nothing to tell them.
When I could get no valid response from tech support (it was a free application) I faxed Netscape Head Office directly, to the attention of the President, and again there was no reply.
So I quit Netscape in disgust. Now I use Eudora for mail - text-based mailboxes, easy to fix problems, no security breaches - and Internet Explorer for my browser, despite it's continued security flaws set as default on installation because some moron at Microsoft thinks we should all have it set that way.
As a webmaster I have Netscape (among others) on my machine only to check pages I create for cross-browser compatability, but I don't even do that with Netscape as often as I used to - it's becoming a waste of my time.
It boils down to performance and customer service. Even though the software was free, I was a responsible and technically coherent person trying to advance the solution by providing feedback.
If there had been even just an acknowledgement that any communication had been received I would have put aside the endless crashes for a while longer to see if I had made a difference.
Every abberation has a back-lash, and I hope the days of corporate greed, gross mismanagement, and treating all users, customers and the public as mere herds of cattle to be used, abused, prodded and nudged is nearly over.
Thanks, Bill Gates, for leading north america - and now the world - as the major corporate example of ignorant a$$holes for managers and leaders with "good enough" as corporate standards and "rush to market" as product quality assurance.
I don't begrudge your money, but I do begrudge the way your products have made it acceptable for poor workmanship to become the norm - in case anyone not technically proficient is reading, Windows 95 holds the prime lead as the world's longers running beta software (unfinished), having never achieved final release status.
So, much as I regret having to say this, nowadays picking software is like picking politicians: there's a rotten crop to choose from, with not one example outstanding which is patently the obvious choice. Both leading candidates are now bloatware, and each has its problems.
Then Netscape started to crash on me for no apparent reason. Over and over, at random points, when I tried to open a specific email, other problem areas. Clients reported the same, and of course it reflected back on me - and I had nothing to tell them.
When I could get no valid response from tech support (it was a free application) I faxed Netscape Head Office directly, to the attention of the President, and again there was no reply.
So I quit Netscape in disgust. Now I use Eudora for mail - text-based mailboxes, easy to fix problems, no security breaches - and Internet Explorer for my browser, despite it's continued security flaws set as default on installation because some moron at Microsoft thinks we should all have it set that way.
As a webmaster I have Netscape (among others) on my machine only to check pages I create for cross-browser compatability, but I don't even do that with Netscape as often as I used to - it's becoming a waste of my time.
It boils down to performance and customer service. Even though the software was free, I was a responsible and technically coherent person trying to advance the solution by providing feedback.
If there had been even just an acknowledgement that any communication had been received I would have put aside the endless crashes for a while longer to see if I had made a difference.
Every abberation has a back-lash, and I hope the days of corporate greed, gross mismanagement, and treating all users, customers and the public as mere herds of cattle to be used, abused, prodded and nudged is nearly over.
Thanks, Bill Gates, for leading north america - and now the world - as the major corporate example of ignorant a$$holes for managers and leaders with "good enough" as corporate standards and "rush to market" as product quality assurance.
I don't begrudge your money, but I do begrudge the way your products have made it acceptable for poor workmanship to become the norm - in case anyone not technically proficient is reading, Windows 95 holds the prime lead as the world's longers running beta software (unfinished), having never achieved final release status.
So, much as I regret having to say this, nowadays picking software is like picking politicians: there's a rotten crop to choose from, with not one example outstanding which is patently the obvious choice. Both leading candidates are now bloatware, and each has its problems.
I have tried all browsers in my machine. Opera is the fastest one - from the moment you click on its icon to run, it shows up faster than IE - not to mention surfing which also beats IE in Windows. Its "skinnable", light, and fast.
It does have some glitches though, but they are less annoying than pop-ups.
I just hope that their email client (embedded in the browser) was just as good. In that sense, other email clients are better and have more features.
It does have some glitches though, but they are less annoying than pop-ups.
I just hope that their email client (embedded in the browser) was just as good. In that sense, other email clients are better and have more features.
We use Netscape. We don't have the security headaches associated with MS products. It matters. I feel this article downplayed the rolse of spending IT dollars fire fighting, versus getting work done.
We are a best of breed shop and not a MS house. If MS played better with others, we might consider them, but recently, Opera 7 looks much better for mail/browser than anything else available.
We are a best of breed shop and not a MS house. If MS played better with others, we might consider them, but recently, Opera 7 looks much better for mail/browser than anything else available.
I totally agree with you, to me Netscape
stayed synonymous with Internet. Most of the people use IE because it was already on the computer when they bought it, and they can not uninstall it. I keep mine in the garbage bin (just in case..) This way there are no pop-ups on kazaa and other countless benefits.
Oops, just noticed i am not a corporate user,
anyway Netscape mail is great, so is 7.02
Endre
stayed synonymous with Internet. Most of the people use IE because it was already on the computer when they bought it, and they can not uninstall it. I keep mine in the garbage bin (just in case..) This way there are no pop-ups on kazaa and other countless benefits.
Oops, just noticed i am not a corporate user,
anyway Netscape mail is great, so is 7.02
Endre
I suspect the ubiquity of Internet Exploiter in the workplace is due to M$-centric (IIS) web pages that don't get along well with non-Exploiter browsers!!
Make your served pages non-Exploiter-propietary and you'd not shove people down the Exploiter path.
You don't think this is _planned_, you say? I've got some Enron stock I'll sell ya...
mds
PS: Ziff, you are creating a self fulfilling prophecy. And are appologists for MacroSquish...
Make your served pages non-Exploiter-propietary and you'd not shove people down the Exploiter path.
You don't think this is _planned_, you say? I've got some Enron stock I'll sell ya...
mds
PS: Ziff, you are creating a self fulfilling prophecy. And are appologists for MacroSquish...
Why is the author even considering Netscape 6.x? That version was terrible- it wouldn't even run on some of our lower-end machines. We have switched to Netscape 7.01, and it is a great browser. I especially like the tabs- much more convenient than opening a new window.
We're using Mozilla and Firebird here, very happily, in a mixed environment (StandAlone PCs, Unix Thin Clients, RDP/Citrix PC ThinClients). Suggestions that IE is inevitable appear to me also tethered to assumptions that MS_Centric web-content is both inevitable and necessary (which is unfortunately where things are headed at some sites I'm sure - however not everyone has sold their souls yet). There are plenty of NON-MS web-content delivery mechanisms that work very well, and adhere to open/well defined standards [god forbid] and hence don't tie people in to a given browser/client platform. Infinitely preferable IMHO. Also, given the "security" of MS/IE in windows (welcome to the patch-of-the-day-club ?) it seems to be a no-brainer to me, avoiding MSIE is of vast benefit from this angle. Just my 2 cents.
This article is a over a year and a half old. Here's a more
little more recent study:
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
little more recent study:
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
A more informative link (and one that works ... yours has a space in it 
would be http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_war.asp, where they track monthly rather than quarterly, and where they track Mozilla status (which for some mysterious reason is not present on your link -- maybe subversions kept any one version from having 1% share? dunno).
I'm surprised Firebird isn't in there, but maybe it reports as Mozilla (can't remember the original UA, i reset mine long ago ...)
would be http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_war.asp, where they track monthly rather than quarterly, and where they track Mozilla status (which for some mysterious reason is not present on your link -- maybe subversions kept any one version from having 1% share? dunno).I'm surprised Firebird isn't in there, but maybe it reports as Mozilla (can't remember the original UA, i reset mine long ago ...)
You know, I always see comments like this, and laugh, because of how "ethnocentric" they are ... in the defense world, I believe Netscape still has a very significant share of the market, in that many key systems are Unix-client-based, and many of those that aren't are mixed-client, and having a single x-plat browser is less expensive than 2.
Anyone have any figures to back up these beliefs-o'-mine?
Anyone have any figures to back up these beliefs-o'-mine?
18 month ago is a full development cylce.
Since then, Netscape 7 and I.E. 6 have come out.
Netscape 7 uses profiles per user - very nice - and can be set up to use any remote directory for the location of email, cookies and bookmarks, so it is very easy to set up a roaming profile using Windows or *nix (I do not know enough about Mac to venture a comment on that 2% market share).
NS has seen market share growth, too... to about 7% from less than 5% earlier this year. Tabbed browsing, their latest feature, is more convenient than opening new windows, IMO. They have revamped the interface, too.
IE 6 has, really no front end new features - except that it removes the MSJava distribution, one of the few places Microsoft has decided no longer to compete. And under XP, one can now hide IE, although the HTML rendering engine stays on the system if you do what MS says to "remove" IE in favor of another browser - and some pop-ups will even bring up an IE window, even if you use NS and have it configured as your primary browser.
Until MS can fully document a COM interface for a browser engine, and detail it, and NS makes their interface to conform, the Windows world will be stuck with IE, with NS being an addition. And any CIO knows that if you're stuck using one tool for something anyway, there is no reason to add a redundant tool, even if it is better, because of the increased help center load to support the multiple tools.
And that, not any technical consideration, is the real-world reason IE won the browser war and continues to dominate.
Since then, Netscape 7 and I.E. 6 have come out.
Netscape 7 uses profiles per user - very nice - and can be set up to use any remote directory for the location of email, cookies and bookmarks, so it is very easy to set up a roaming profile using Windows or *nix (I do not know enough about Mac to venture a comment on that 2% market share).
NS has seen market share growth, too... to about 7% from less than 5% earlier this year. Tabbed browsing, their latest feature, is more convenient than opening new windows, IMO. They have revamped the interface, too.
IE 6 has, really no front end new features - except that it removes the MSJava distribution, one of the few places Microsoft has decided no longer to compete. And under XP, one can now hide IE, although the HTML rendering engine stays on the system if you do what MS says to "remove" IE in favor of another browser - and some pop-ups will even bring up an IE window, even if you use NS and have it configured as your primary browser.
Until MS can fully document a COM interface for a browser engine, and detail it, and NS makes their interface to conform, the Windows world will be stuck with IE, with NS being an addition. And any CIO knows that if you're stuck using one tool for something anyway, there is no reason to add a redundant tool, even if it is better, because of the increased help center load to support the multiple tools.
And that, not any technical consideration, is the real-world reason IE won the browser war and continues to dominate.
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