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Well IT industry has become a very dynamic style of industry.
If you r a young person and r kind of fresher then you must
understand the financial system behind outsourcing. Company
has a cost to your seat plus your salary plus taxes to keep you
with them. Do a reverse calculation, ask your self, what should
you know for the company to shell down that kind of money.
The study would take any where b/w 2/4 weeks and then give
you a good 1-3 year plan for your career.
In case of experienced ppl, I need not tell them wat to do, they
are good enough to know that, and that is, the company can get
the same work done for a lower cost. If you want to get a salary
that you think u deserve, make it justifiable for the company.
Comanies management is not your enemy, they r with you. u
just need to understand the tough times they are going through.
U need to justify your cost and help them to just the same to the
stake holders.
If one can do that, he/she need not worry abt jobssssssssss.
If you r a young person and r kind of fresher then you must
understand the financial system behind outsourcing. Company
has a cost to your seat plus your salary plus taxes to keep you
with them. Do a reverse calculation, ask your self, what should
you know for the company to shell down that kind of money.
The study would take any where b/w 2/4 weeks and then give
you a good 1-3 year plan for your career.
In case of experienced ppl, I need not tell them wat to do, they
are good enough to know that, and that is, the company can get
the same work done for a lower cost. If you want to get a salary
that you think u deserve, make it justifiable for the company.
Comanies management is not your enemy, they r with you. u
just need to understand the tough times they are going through.
U need to justify your cost and help them to just the same to the
stake holders.
If one can do that, he/she need not worry abt jobssssssssss.
Sorry, Raghu, but you could not be more wrong.
Companies are no longer interested in interviewing US citizens for positions already outsourced. Once they outsource the position, why would they care to go through all the expense and difficulty of bringing the job back just because someone shows they can compete? They definitely are not going to do that for individual positions.
I, and many other US workers I've personally met over the past couple years, can totally compete with any country in terms of IT education and credentials, in terms of industry knowledge and experience, and in terms of production quality and timeliness - but, even when we say we'll gladly accept whatever salary India is getting - the company has no interest.
Why? Well, some employers don't really believe the US person will stay very long, but will actualy leave soon for one of those higher IT jobs. Nevermind that those jobs are almost impossible to obtain as the remaining ones have an over abundance of applicants (dozens always, hundreds commonly, thousands often). Retention is just not an issue the employer has to struggle with if they can just outsource whole groups of positions knowing replacements are a dime-a-dozen, so to speak.
There are many reasons companies will not bring back the outsourced jobs... and they all boil down to ignorance (about the lack of quality, cost over-runs and major schedule issues they will eventually have to deal with), greed, and embarrassment about making the bad decision to outsource in the first place (why else would so many companies be hiding the negative IT results they're getting from offshore?)
It is possible that eventually US companies will bring things home again, but personlly I think it might be too late by then. They may first try other supposedly more promising countries before they realize it's just not working. By then, of course, they will have contributed significantly to the financial ruin of many US families (as they are doing now). The danger is that current trends, coupled with other current political and social events, could put us in an irreversible tail-spin. Who to blame if that happens? No one, of course, just the faceless corporate organizations.
Have a nice day.
Companies are no longer interested in interviewing US citizens for positions already outsourced. Once they outsource the position, why would they care to go through all the expense and difficulty of bringing the job back just because someone shows they can compete? They definitely are not going to do that for individual positions.
I, and many other US workers I've personally met over the past couple years, can totally compete with any country in terms of IT education and credentials, in terms of industry knowledge and experience, and in terms of production quality and timeliness - but, even when we say we'll gladly accept whatever salary India is getting - the company has no interest.
Why? Well, some employers don't really believe the US person will stay very long, but will actualy leave soon for one of those higher IT jobs. Nevermind that those jobs are almost impossible to obtain as the remaining ones have an over abundance of applicants (dozens always, hundreds commonly, thousands often). Retention is just not an issue the employer has to struggle with if they can just outsource whole groups of positions knowing replacements are a dime-a-dozen, so to speak.
There are many reasons companies will not bring back the outsourced jobs... and they all boil down to ignorance (about the lack of quality, cost over-runs and major schedule issues they will eventually have to deal with), greed, and embarrassment about making the bad decision to outsource in the first place (why else would so many companies be hiding the negative IT results they're getting from offshore?)
It is possible that eventually US companies will bring things home again, but personlly I think it might be too late by then. They may first try other supposedly more promising countries before they realize it's just not working. By then, of course, they will have contributed significantly to the financial ruin of many US families (as they are doing now). The danger is that current trends, coupled with other current political and social events, could put us in an irreversible tail-spin. Who to blame if that happens? No one, of course, just the faceless corporate organizations.
Have a nice day.
This lemming like rush to outsource everthing possible reminds me of the similar rush to "Downsize, rightsize" in the early to mid nineties. This often turned out to be Dumb-sizing as the people they laid off tended to be the senior people with the business knowledge and experience and often their departure left a vaccuum in the company that took years to fill as the new teams had to repeat all of the previous mistakes to discover what works and what does not.
i am amazed and apalled that the supposedly educated, experienced leadersip of North American business seems to leap on the "next big thing" often without looking deeper then the consultants sales pitch. They also need to remember that what they do is not isolated from the greater economy.
If we are all working at Wal Mart wages who will buy that new car, home, washer dryer etc.
I wonder how eager some might be to outsource if part of the deal included them trainer their offshore replacement manager?
i am amazed and apalled that the supposedly educated, experienced leadersip of North American business seems to leap on the "next big thing" often without looking deeper then the consultants sales pitch. They also need to remember that what they do is not isolated from the greater economy.
If we are all working at Wal Mart wages who will buy that new car, home, washer dryer etc.
I wonder how eager some might be to outsource if part of the deal included them trainer their offshore replacement manager?
I recall that time in the early 90s as well - the outsourcing was happening, but not as much. What MY company said when they started it up again this time was that LAST time, they did it all wrong and didn't allow India to have a bigger stake in the design and development and that is why it failed.
From my experience of working globally with different factions of the company is that it is VERY hard to be cohesive when you aren't working face-to-face and when you are working in different time zones. Let alone the language barrier!!
We wait and see.
From my experience of working globally with different factions of the company is that it is VERY hard to be cohesive when you aren't working face-to-face and when you are working in different time zones. Let alone the language barrier!!
We wait and see.
I agree with you Karl. Outsourcing, once done, MAY stay. Until it isn't working. I worked for a company that had outsourced part of the work. When I got on the project, India was doing such a bad job, we took it back. But, when we weren't getting customers because the economy was bad (no customers for the product), we outsourced the work again. Until the economy is in full swing and the customers are buying and they find that the outsourcing is not working, the outsourcing will stay. ANd given people are so desperate to work that they will take 50% cut in pay, salaries are impossible to raise a family on.
Analysts say that the U.S. is outsourcing the jobs that don't take much thought and are keeping the R&D. The problem is - alot of companies are not spending money on R&D until the economy comes back. When will that be if so many people have to take such cuts in pay? It must not be a big percentage of people that this is happening to because people still are paying exhorbitant amounts for housing and buying cars. So, maybe the economy is just bad for us IT folk.
I'm getting very scared. I will probably have to sell my place and move in with Mom. I'm 43!! I have worked hard to get here. It makes me very sad to see this happening. But, even if there is a problem, it is election year. Bush would never admit there's a problem and help us. John Kerry, who SAYS he is empathetic, wasn't even present when they voted for unemployment extension so how can we count on HIM helping us out IF he gets elected.
Analysts say that the U.S. is outsourcing the jobs that don't take much thought and are keeping the R&D. The problem is - alot of companies are not spending money on R&D until the economy comes back. When will that be if so many people have to take such cuts in pay? It must not be a big percentage of people that this is happening to because people still are paying exhorbitant amounts for housing and buying cars. So, maybe the economy is just bad for us IT folk.
I'm getting very scared. I will probably have to sell my place and move in with Mom. I'm 43!! I have worked hard to get here. It makes me very sad to see this happening. But, even if there is a problem, it is election year. Bush would never admit there's a problem and help us. John Kerry, who SAYS he is empathetic, wasn't even present when they voted for unemployment extension so how can we count on HIM helping us out IF he gets elected.
By the emphasis of all the posts here you are all US citizens. Not to rain on your parade, but welcome to the world that the rest of the international IT industry has experienced for the last 4 or so years. (Ever since the Y2K "crisis")
The days of high income for average IT skills are just about over. With so many schools pumping out certs IT support has become a commodity. Only highly specialised skills can still command premium wages. The IT industry itself has led to this point with VPN tunnels and remote tools so that only hardware support really requires "feet on the ground" personal. The commodity market has simply moved faster than you could adapt.
Just because the current low cost country is India (previously Mexico, Canada, Ireland, New Zealand?) doesn't mean that the engineers employed there have inadequate skills (and they do speak English, although this is sometimes somewhat mangled). Indian IT personal have just as many certs and can access support knowledge bases just like the rest of the world. The staff there can be paid less since their life style costs are less. If you were prepared to take the train to work, to live in a small apartment with the rest of your extended family, and to consider a TV set a status symbol, (as opposed to a gas guzzelling SUV), then you too could compete on the world market.
Also, R&D is expensive. If other countries have the skill sets and can provide R&D at a lower cost why would an international company want to carry out their development in the US? In the process of outsourcing their R&D the final irony is that US corporations export their proprietary knowledge to overseas employees at low or no cost, or even pay to give it away!
The time has come to evaluate what you need to do to re-train or extend your skill set.
The days of high income for average IT skills are just about over. With so many schools pumping out certs IT support has become a commodity. Only highly specialised skills can still command premium wages. The IT industry itself has led to this point with VPN tunnels and remote tools so that only hardware support really requires "feet on the ground" personal. The commodity market has simply moved faster than you could adapt.
Just because the current low cost country is India (previously Mexico, Canada, Ireland, New Zealand?) doesn't mean that the engineers employed there have inadequate skills (and they do speak English, although this is sometimes somewhat mangled). Indian IT personal have just as many certs and can access support knowledge bases just like the rest of the world. The staff there can be paid less since their life style costs are less. If you were prepared to take the train to work, to live in a small apartment with the rest of your extended family, and to consider a TV set a status symbol, (as opposed to a gas guzzelling SUV), then you too could compete on the world market.
Also, R&D is expensive. If other countries have the skill sets and can provide R&D at a lower cost why would an international company want to carry out their development in the US? In the process of outsourcing their R&D the final irony is that US corporations export their proprietary knowledge to overseas employees at low or no cost, or even pay to give it away!
The time has come to evaluate what you need to do to re-train or extend your skill set.
Don't know where you live, Southern California does not have the trains and and not everyone drives those Gas-guzzling SUV's you speak of. People in India want a little more than a T.V. that you speak of, at least the 500 or so that I worked with in 99-02.
OK, It is definitely tue that the Global Market will make all of us reconsider what an appropriate salary is. However, I'm not sure that jumping on the bandwagon of swallowing it is good either. My company is in the throws of outsourcing right now too - as many companies are, however, I have yet to see how this will be a long term benefit. I've seen the cost analysis reports. The off-shore hourly rates are in nearly the same range as the on shore rates - only slightly lower, but there are major communications and contract interpretations issues that are costing hundreds of thousands of dollars more. I think what is really happening is a massive effort to return to the days when the company could force the employees to do whatever they wanted them to do with the threat of a job loss.
For years I've wondered why the company paid upwards of $250/hour for consultants, when they could hire someone for 30-40$/hr to do the same work. I've watched while incompetent boobs ran projects into the ground while "building their teams," or more comonly known as empire building. Even now, the goofballs that wasted millions on failed projects have been able to talk their way into leadership roles for outsourcing. Honestly, to me it looks like yet another way for the middle-management imbeciles to pass the buck of their failure to the offshore companies, so as not to be held responsible for their own incompetence. To say "we" brought it on ourselves is only partially true - the "we" is our management, and the "we" who allowed it are the bright, competent professionals who have always refused to speak up when they saw a self-serving manager running their department into the ground.
Right now, there are workers in Mexan sweat shops that are browbeaten into submission with threats of being fired if they don't work 60 & 80 hour weeks. There have been news reports of companies in India that still utilize slave labor to lower costs, many innvoling child labor. China has been using slave & child labor for years, and there have been numerous reports on that issue. The point of all of this is that the US abolished slavery a while back, and that has led to the economic & social benefits we have been seeing for decades.
Another thing to consider. The US economy currently shoulders the financial burden of BILLIONS of dollars of world-wide support programs, the vast majority of which are Federally funded, or in other words, paid for by your tax dollars and mine. That increases the cost of living here - which increases the need for more money by each person paying those taxes. The SUV's, houses, vacations - all the luxuries, the things that everyone looks at like extras - and they are, don't get me wrong - those things contribute to the economic stability of this Nation. The high-dollar restaurant that everyone wonders why on earth anyone would pay that kind of money to eat there - that restaurant employs people who have to support their families, and who also pay taxes to support the BILLIONS of dollars going off shore.
So speak up - you know as well as I do that Outsourcing isn't really the Silver bullet that the Corporations are trying to shove down our throats.
For years I've wondered why the company paid upwards of $250/hour for consultants, when they could hire someone for 30-40$/hr to do the same work. I've watched while incompetent boobs ran projects into the ground while "building their teams," or more comonly known as empire building. Even now, the goofballs that wasted millions on failed projects have been able to talk their way into leadership roles for outsourcing. Honestly, to me it looks like yet another way for the middle-management imbeciles to pass the buck of their failure to the offshore companies, so as not to be held responsible for their own incompetence. To say "we" brought it on ourselves is only partially true - the "we" is our management, and the "we" who allowed it are the bright, competent professionals who have always refused to speak up when they saw a self-serving manager running their department into the ground.
Right now, there are workers in Mexan sweat shops that are browbeaten into submission with threats of being fired if they don't work 60 & 80 hour weeks. There have been news reports of companies in India that still utilize slave labor to lower costs, many innvoling child labor. China has been using slave & child labor for years, and there have been numerous reports on that issue. The point of all of this is that the US abolished slavery a while back, and that has led to the economic & social benefits we have been seeing for decades.
Another thing to consider. The US economy currently shoulders the financial burden of BILLIONS of dollars of world-wide support programs, the vast majority of which are Federally funded, or in other words, paid for by your tax dollars and mine. That increases the cost of living here - which increases the need for more money by each person paying those taxes. The SUV's, houses, vacations - all the luxuries, the things that everyone looks at like extras - and they are, don't get me wrong - those things contribute to the economic stability of this Nation. The high-dollar restaurant that everyone wonders why on earth anyone would pay that kind of money to eat there - that restaurant employs people who have to support their families, and who also pay taxes to support the BILLIONS of dollars going off shore.
So speak up - you know as well as I do that Outsourcing isn't really the Silver bullet that the Corporations are trying to shove down our throats.
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