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    <title><![CDATA[Discussion on Hiring manager's indecisiveness isn't a reflection on consultant ]]></title>
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        <title><![CDATA[On the button,  plus some philosophy]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[DC_Guy is spot on with all six points. Enough said.As an additional thought - personally I feel that if you are sitting around waiting anxiously for a company to get back to you, it breeds negativity and that's bad for your confidence levels andfor future job propects. Rather be proactive, take control of the situation as required, and walk with your head held high. Think positive and it comes across in future job interviews. Whenever I have done the latter, I find the proverbial truthof 'as one door closes another opens'.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[rob_o]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2003 20:29:58 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Six comments.]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[1. Most hiring managers actually do NOT understand their company's HR practices any better than you do. (Neither do the HR folks but that's a different topic.) 2. When they post the opportunity internally, it can kill the deal. They may have ten people who qualify for the job on paper because they can't get away with writing the job specs as narrow as they'd like. It's bad for morale to hire an outsider over qualified insiders. 3. Take your pacing queues from the company, as others have said. If they're slow it won't faze them that you are too. I started my current job FIVE months after the initial interview. 4. Never be the first to quote a salary, period. Large companies have their own cast-in-stone rates and they don't care what you want. Small companies fancy themselves good poker players and don't mind going first. 5. Never turn down work. It sounds terrible to be stuck in a contractual obligation when a job offer with an immediate start date finally comes in, but in all my life I've never actually known anybody that happened to. 6. When the economy is bad, A) the people you're contracting for will probably be more understanding than you expect if you bail on them to take a more secure position, and B) they can very easily replace you.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[DC_GUY]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:52:12 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[I know the feeling!]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I had nearly the same experience recently. However, I only put up with the indecisiveness for three weeks before giving them a &quot;sh-- or get off the pot&quot; mandate. Certainly, some individuals will tell me that probably cost me the job, but, which job would that be? There was no guarantee they were expecting me to do anything other than wait patiently - preferably outside in my car with the motor running - while they took their sweet time (and mine) deciding whether they had a real need. Anyway, Idon't believe you want to work for an organization that is so indecisive they're gridlocked. If said organization has a solid business plan, and is in a growth cycle, this indecisiveness is probably part of the culture. Simply put, you'll be (a)frustrated by your inability to make any changes while employed and/or (b)unemployed again when the company's inability to cope will cost it its life.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[mcarlsonus]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:30:52 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Agreed - take the bona fide offer]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[My last job search decision became clear when I spoke with the company recruiter who told me that if I had other offers, I should not wait on his company. The hiring manager was seeking an identical replacement to a person who had left and had been interviewing for 8 months. I found this out from another recruiter who had also worked with this manager.I had already narrowed the search to the top 3. When I had a job offer in hand from #2 and received this response from the company recruiter, Icancelled an interview with #3 and accepted the offer. I was very fortunate with the candor of the recruiter in a timely manner.   In the example mentioned, it sounds like the overdue callback, as others have said, is ample evidence that an event has occurred which will never be disclosed.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[tkendr01@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:35:17 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[A Bird in the Hand]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Until an offer is made and accepted, only interest has been expressed. Based on the behavior of the company, they seem to be uncertain about whether or when the job would be available.  Although a regular paycheck is tempting, you can't eat hope. Continue to take contracts that you would accept if there was no interest.   If the company later offers you a position, then you can negotiate a time to report based on your client contract. If the company hired you away from another company, theywould expect to allow a reasonable time to wind up your business there.   If they don't allow a reasonable amount of time, then that is a red flag about their expectations for employees. You may not have wanted the job in the first place.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[pingpaul@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 16 Jan 2003 22:57:18 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Probably wasting your time]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Definitely don't turn down firm job offers while waiting for these clowns to act. This manager, HR department, and essentially the whole company are showing you how poorly they handle decisions. They're inadvertently showing you what kinds of frustrations you can expect if you work for them. They don't care if they leave you hanging, so don't wait by the phone. Don't slam the door on them, but go ahead and contract other work. They've let so much time elapse since your last formal communications that they should expect to have to re-inquire about your availability and possibly wait for a starting date. DON'T try to buy your way in by offering to take a lower salary at this point. That will weaken your position and give them reason to take further advantage of you. They should have negotiated salary back when it first came up, not play a silent waiting game to see if you'll crack. With all of this goofing around, I'd wonder if the company and position are truly as good as advertised. Sounds like smoke and mirrors. They're not playing straight with you, so I'd move on.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Nyert]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 14 Jan 2003 01:06:23 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[I took the interim employment]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[In my case, the company that was hiring for a permanent position took its time to sort through its applicants. In the mean time, I accepted a 3 month contract elsewhere. Two weeks after I started the 3 month contract, the first company called me andsaid they wanted to go further. I told them no problem, as long as they would not mind that my starting date was 10 weeks later. I wound up getting the job, and got to meet some interesting people on the short-term contract as well.    I guess themoral is if you're really the candidate they want, and if they've taken their sweet time deciding that, then they'll wait a little longer.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[I-Lin]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 13 Jan 2003 21:00:31 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Interim employment]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I would have taken the 6 month contract job.  Even though the interviews went well, there are significant lapses in contact which would have sent alarms.  Sounds like this person got the alarms also, but was holding out for permanent, rather than temporary contract employment, even at reduced salary.  Its a tough call.  Personally, I would look at how well my savings are holding up, how many firm offers have been received, and try to project out how long I can wait.  Given the weak market and general employment uncertainty I think I would have taken the contract and give the first company a strong signal that I really want a better offer.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[snyderd@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:14:17 -0800</pubDate>
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