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        <title><![CDATA[How My Career Accelerated after PMP Certification]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[When I attended the first PMP class, I realised how vast the Project Management Body of Knowledge was???  how much formal thought was given to each of the 9 Knowledge Areas, and the 5 process Groups. A great read about How My Career Accelerated after PMP Certification http://www.pmchamp.com/how-my-career-accelerated-after-pmp-certification/]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[kevinroberts]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 22:34:56 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[what about non-IT projects]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I work in marketing/advertising overseeing the project flow of materials.  (From concept to delivery)Other than providing me a stronger skill set at handling the projects themselves would a PMP be of use?  I have heard of this being helpful for IT people in thier industires, but have not heard the PMP being of use in other situations.  Any thoughts?]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:15:30 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Take a chill pill ...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Chill out ... in case you haven't noticed many of the people who are responding to this thread already have a PMP. Some of us even have multiple qualifications.(And the general concensus appears to be that a certification prepares you to have written an exam -- and very little else).Glen Ford, BSc,MCPM,PMP]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[PMPsicle]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 05 Oct 2004 15:59:13 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[pmp IS valuable]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[A lot has been said. Might as well say that &quot;I would rather hire someone with 20 years of experience as a car mechanic than hire an out-of-college mechanical engineer!!!&quot;To attain a certification is to be equiped with the tools and fundamentals of the industry. Building on that and honing and improving your skills is what makes the difference. Nevertheless, one with a certification (one with accredited knowledge) is more fit for the professional world than a sloppy cocktail of knowledge collected over decades of trial and error (yes, errors that YOU, the one with out the recognized KNOWLEDGE have MADE over the years at the EXPENSE of the EMPLOYER or the CLIENT before you could FINALLY get it RIGHT!!!)Having said so, if PMP is too difficult for you to achieve, then just keep doing it the sloppy way and leave the industry move forward and hire the accredited &quot;engineer&quot; with the certification, rather than the experienced &quot;mechanic!&quot;quit the envy. instead of trying to hinder the forward efforts, try to move forward yourself!]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[kalimarsrooj@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:56:47 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Used as a filter]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I've noticed that the PMP seems to be used as a filter by HR.Personally, I'd rather hire someone with 15+ years experience and then spend a few weeks training them on theory. After all, it's easy to teach theory but impossible to teach experience.However, I've noticed that certs are being used by HR &amp; headhunters to eliminate. No cert = no hire. Experience doesn't matter.The short and long of it is ... in this area, no PMP no job.Glen Ford, PMPCan Da SoftwareIS Project ManagementBusiness Systems &amp; Process Improvement]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[PMPsicle]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2004 13:22:54 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Value of PMP]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I believe the reputation of PMP is spreading. Companies that I've worked for who could've cared less about PMPs two short years ago now have it as a requirement for new hires.Conversely, I also believe that it's getting diluted with people who are still looking for certification shortcuts. The number of PMP boot camps has certainly grown, thus the number of paper PMPs has also grown.For the most part, I'm very proud of my PMP. But it's just like many other things on our resumes (other certs, degrees, etc.). Having a PMP doesn't make one a good project manager. It does, at the very least, make the claim that one is AWARE of PMI standards; the application of it is another story. Those of you who like to argue (which most of whom do not have the cert), since when do hiring managers ONLY look at certs anyway? They look at the entire package. Also, speaking for myself, when I interview people for PM positions, I ask a lot of scenario questions to create my short list. Shame on you if you hire based only on  a &quot;PMP&quot; on a resume.As a former consultant, I can tell you that many PM positions, at least here in the NE corridor in the US, ask for PMP as a requirement quite often.Lastly, please do not compare PMP to any Microsoft test. I'm MS certified and I can tell you that the journey to get to the PMP designation is much greater due to the depth in knowledge necessary to pass. That said, I wish it was even more difficult to attain the PMP if in fact many non-qualified people are taking the exams.-Gabe Young, MBA, PMP]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[pnstlion]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2004 08:18:23 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[2 years later ....]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Looking over the responses from 2 years ago is interesting.After a year and a half or better of the worst employment in IT history, I'm curious to see how others have changed in their opinion.Personally, I've seen the PMP show up on 25%, then 50% (which is where it was when this article was written). Today, I'm seeing PMP show up on 80% of the ads ... which is a good indication the non-advertised jobs have an even higher rate.So how does everyone feel now?Glen Ford, BSc,MCPM,PMPCan Da SoftwareIS Project ManagementBusiness Systems/Process Improvement]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[PMPsicle]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2004 07:40:25 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[It's all relative]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I'm suprised to see a lot of negative comments about the PMP.  It seems the beef most people have is that the PMP does not make you a good project manager.  Guess what?  No one ever said it did.  What it shows is that you have a pretty good understanding of project management concepts.  Just like most other tests that test your knowledge of a subject (SAT,GRE,GMAT) it should not be used as the sole decider when making a decision about an individual.  To say it's worthless is rediculous.  The market is changing and right now employees are demanding those three letters on your resume.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[nfonge@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:09:38 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[I concur]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Years ago I considered certification. A veteran PM, I thought it might enhance my skills. Examining the syllabus, I saw that there wasn't much that I hadn't learned in my formative years at IBM. I too have 20 years in, and have seen a steady declinein software quality. This creates a perceived need for an organization meant to qualify and regulate professionals that are meant to turn this around via the implementation of standards. The PMI is formalizing a process which people like me had learned years ago. Less experienced PMs may value the PMI's cert as today's IT and software organizations seldom seem to practice a formal development process. Where else could they learn any sort of PM process. Also, PMs with their certification have a vested interest in defending its worth. Recently, I was ramping up a PMO and interviewing PM candidates. Several were certified or working towards it. A question I asked each candidate was &quot;do you consider yourself a good PM&quot;? Well, who'd say no! Asking them to substantiate this, the answer was &quot;I work late&quot;. The answer that I was looking for was that they could deliver on time, on budget, and error free. All of which can be done. I've done it, and that's what I want out of my PMs. I began to ask executives of vendors I had been working with if they were aware of the PMP cert and what they thought of it. The answers were always negative. Our industry has become certification mad. I think that much of this is as a result of marketing campaigns by certification organizations that have revenue to gain. Worst is what I've seen of HR and recruiters whose staff is right out of college and often without a EE or CS education. Could they possibly know a good PM from a bad one? They receive resumes, stuff them into databases, and then search for PMI or PMP. I try to work around these people whenever possible. I've often seen HR dismiss candidates that I?d have interviewed.]]></description>
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        <pubDate>Mon, 03 Feb 2003 04:13:59 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[A different opinion]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[What you guys have mentioned about PMP certification is true for all certifications. I know of people who are oracle certified and Microsoft certified by virtue of bookish knowledge rather than real field experience. It is not different doing a course from so called &quot;public&quot; universities where &quot;our tax dollars&quot; go. The training required for the PMP is conducted by many such public universities. I attended one such course. To say the least, the standard was pathetic. So our tax dollars gets ussomething pathetic. A colleague of mine attended a similar course provided by a private instituion. When we compare the knowledge and skill gained from the courses, he is ten time better.Earlier when I was a tech lead, i did my certificationfrom Oracle corp. It was a cake walk based on my previous knowledge and experience. Compared to that the PMP is a herculean task.PMP certification now requires you to continuously update your knowledge and skills by acuiring credits (attending conferences, trainings, classes etc). So it is not something you pass once and then are certified for life.It is easier to pass the MCSE exams by purely studying as compared to the PMP exam.The market has given their approval for PMP certification. On an average a PMP commmards a 10% premium in salary, compared to to a non-pmp project manager. I agree that PMP as such does not gurantee that you would make a great project manager, but at least someone hiring will have confidence that he is hiring someone whose knowledge is tested and that he at leas has few years of project management experience. But isnt that true for ALL certifications? Should I as a recruiter trust the PMP certification as proof of PM skills or your 10 page resume to filter out the good from the not so good?]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[tappy0814@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 11 Jan 2003 12:47:41 -0800</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Kudos for your comments]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[It is appalling that more of us don't see through this &quot;professionalism scam&quot; of certification as you do. So many of the so called certification programs are no more than costly alternatives to public education or even self developed skill, designedmainly to open a profit channel to some pocket by offering mediocre at best training. Even in the case of PMI, which is a very good organization, it seems that the &quot;never ending story is the revenue chain that is elicited from the customer(you and I) just to remain a member of the technocoven. I say spend your hard earned dollars (and those of your company, by the way) on accreditation by state certified institutions where the effect and use of our hard earned tax dollars are already going, andyou will be much better off in the long run, plus you might fing yourself broadened by involvement in other programs as well. It usually is just as effective and cheaper. After all, don't we all learn what we teach ourselves anyway? Should educational facilitation be so expensive or exclusive? Sounds elitist to me, as well as expensive and ineffective. Smell the coffeeeee.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[justonevoice]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 20 Sep 2002 01:41:10 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[PMP vs  IT Project+]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[Thats probably true in smaller urban areas where (on the whole) there are probably fewer project managers in the local markets.  In larger metropolitan areas where the PM market is more competitive the PMP enhances your marketability especially if you alreadly the PM experience.  I think part of this may be due to marketing and publicity for PMI.  In many cases employers that do not have formal PMOs, have heard of PMI and their certification program.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[PM25]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:36:07 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[PMP - Peter's Mgmt. Principle]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I've considered becoming a certified PMP, but they don't want me.  In fact, they don't want anyone who isn't a project manager in some anonymous corporation like Enron, Andersen or WorldCom.It's kinda like the Peter Principle - where you rise tothe level of your ineffectiveness.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Bucky Kaufman (MCSD)]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2002 07:18:22 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[PMP in the international arena]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I think this discussion highlights something I have noticed regarding the PMP and similar credentials.  The business environment in the U.S. is very different from the international environment, and while the PMP has become better known internationally, there are other credentials that are just as accepted.  Internationally, there seems to be a greater ability to accept experience over a paper credential, whereas in the U.S., credentials are often used as a &quot;first-pass filter&quot; to get the pile of resumes down to something manageable. I also have 20 years in, with many a global project under my belt.  I rejected the PMP several years ago, but am now taking a second look.  If I do choose to take the PMP, it will be because clients are requesting it, and right now, the only ones I see requesting it are in the U.S.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Terryn (tbarill@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 10 Jun 2002 00:46:33 -0700</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[Information about the CompTia ITProject+ (project management) can be found here:http://www.comptia.org/certification/ITprojectplus/index_m.htmFor information on the PMP, go to the PMI website at:  htt:/www.pmi.org]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Terryn (tbarill@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Mon, 10 Jun 2002 00:35:33 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[value of certification...]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I agree with many of the postings in this thread, that testing is not a way to get credibility - either in technical certs or professional certs.  I also know that certifiation does not automaticlly mean skill, that it depends on experience and maturity - and the certification method.  The PMP should reflect experience as well as knowledge.  MSCE, and that ilk,  rely soley on testing book knowledge, even if people with expereince have an easire time passing.  PMP relies on integrity and ethics and experience. If someone lies on their CV/resume and falsifies the professional experience (and we know it happens all the time in ALL walks of life!), hopefully another person with some honesty and ethical standards will question and a take closerlook.  In taking a closer look, if duplicity is found that person pays the pricce.   Any good interviewer CAN tell when they talk to people if they have experience or if they are simply talking from a book - no matter what the certification, no matter what the degree. In fact, a degree shows only a capacity for study and research and testing - and in many institutions in the US not even a capacity for those - not for applied knowledge or experience.  Nonetheless , the value of a certifiation ordegree on someone's resume to me is that it shows commitment to personal improvement and developemnt, a commitment to  a profession path.  It is a reason to talk to them over pepopel who have not made any ivestment in the field, a reason to learn more about them and to work with them.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[eokimber@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Sun, 09 Jun 2002 09:15:24 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Experience over cert]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[As a hiring manager, I don't place much value on the various certifications, impressive tho their requirements may be. I am extending this statement beyond PMP to the various IT oriented ones as well, including Microsoft's.I feel most of those are a way to document knowledge in lieu of experience. The PMP qualifications, as described by the author, would be what I would uncover &amp; test in an interview regardless of certification status.As a &quot;young&quot; project manager looking to compete, perhaps PMP offers a benefit. As a &quot;senior&quot; PM, I doubt it. And, please, by young or senior I am referring to experience, not age. They are NOT always directly related depending on an individual's background and career flow.]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[wodenickel1@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2002 04:33:58 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[ussu]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I would have to admit that the modus operandi and common language usage determined by the PM course is invauable. Defining terms used in dealing with clients and participating vendors  in active projects is basically the courtship in which we all work. Terminology,,,,,,,BSRGDS David]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[david@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2002 02:40:34 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[Good on Paper vs Good on  a Project]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I, too, have experienced the &quot;highly qualified&quot; project managers that have infiltrated the business over the past several years -- qualifications from far off institutions and &quot;experience&quot; that can not be verified. The addition of another &quot;certification&quot; just does nothing to impress me.I want people who have experience in the business environment in which my clients operate that can manage a project using vocabulary that the client industry uses and deliver a project with value that the client industry expects. PMI certifies people in a vocabulary that is standard only in their institute. Give me a PROVEN project manager ANY day.Ross W. EmertonTellangon Associates, Ltd.www.tellangon.com]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[Tellangon]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2002 02:24:08 -0700</pubDate>
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        <title><![CDATA[I need it to help me land a job.........]]></title>
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        <description><![CDATA[I am taking the exam next week!]]></description>
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        <dc:creator><![CDATA[tealhe@...]]></dc:creator>
        <pubDate>Thu, 06 Jun 2002 18:23:50 -0700</pubDate>
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