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What is your favorite diagramming application? Do you find specialized diagramming apps too complicated and cumbersome to be worthwhile or do you derive benefit from all of those features?
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Mark,
Jaqui Updated - 1st Feb 2006
quit stuttering man, we got the message. wink

and now you have experienced the error page we have mentioned in the feedback forum several times. happy

Cheater Mark!!!

we can't delete duplicated posts.
so you should have left the other 5 copies of the announcement in. silly
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Editor
I didn't ask for them to be deleted - I meant to do that wink

On a serious note - believe me we are very aware of the duplicate post problem - this was the third time I experienced it personally. The problem is that it doesn't happen every time, making it hard to pin down.
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what about
Jaqui 4th Feb 2006
the error logs?
thse should be showing something.

hmmm idea just now.. post it to TRI in a few minutes.
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Visio, Of Course
Devans00 1st Feb 2006
But Power Point will do in a pinch. Once you get used to expressing yourself in a tool, it's an annoyance to use something else. For example, using Word the way the "CNET Radial Diagram.doc" file demonstrates feels too stiff and structured. By the time I tweaked everything to my preference, I could have created something from scratch that was done "right" from the get go.

Although, I can see how the tool would help less experienced people.
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It's all about using the right tool for the job. Sure you can use a wrench to bang in a nail but a hammer does a much better job. The problem with using tools like Word Diagramming is that eventually you'll reach a point where you can go now further- You hit the limit of what the system is capable of. Then you realise that putting a bit of effort into learning the right tool at day one realy pays off- usually because you have to completely redo your work (double up effort) because there is no quick or easy way to migrate your cobbled together hack into the other program.
Maybe I'm clueless, but neither Visio's (2000) 'Help' nor any of the menus I checked could show me how to create Venn diagrams with different colors for the circles, and most importantly, how to set degrees of transparency so the overlapping areas would show a combined color.

You are right about Visio being able to create more complex drawings, but it seems there are some things it won't do, also, some of which are handy for creating diagrams for presentations.

Maybe this is a feature I would get if I upgraded Visio, but it does most of what I want to do, so I'm not too motivated to spend more money on it right now.

Visio is a good tool, (especially for mapping office LANs) but those available in MS Word (and PowerPoint) are often what you need too - use whichever fits your needs at the time. And for those on a budget, the ones in the MS Office apps are free.

Lastly, I apologize for any typos there may be in this, I desperately need a new keyboard.
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Transparency feature in visio
aachour@... Updated - 17th Jan 2007
If you want to design transparent diagrams in Visio do the following:
- Right click on one diagram object
- Scrolldown to "Format" option & select "Fill"
- Once in the Fill section, move the transparency bar to the required level
- Click on "Apply" to view the change & if satisfied click on OK to quit
Note: This should be done using 2 or more object each one having a different colour.
As simple as 123.
Hope this answered your question.
The latest version of SmartDraw 2007 does very easy transparency effects and Venn diagrams, as well as all of the other types of diagrams, charts, timelines, etc. that you might need.

We have a free trial, and our price is typically lower than Visio.

http://www.smartdraw.com/exp/dia/
You've got to check out allCLEAR. It's fast and intelligent for flowcharting and is a true process mapping program. You go from text to graphics instantly or you drag and drop. This one should not be missed.
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Gliffy
sysadmn62 17th Jan 2007
Great tip, seems like the first thing I do with half my visio diagrams is paste them into powerpoint. Now I can skip a step happy

For stuff outside work, I like GLiffy
( http://www.gliffy.com/examples1.shtml ).
They'll even host the diagram for you.
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How many people remember that the original Visio release was a freebie that came on a diskette from Microsoft with a little program that checked to see if your '386 (!) had enough poop to run Windows 3.1? I keep waiting for somebody to do it better, but nobody has. I don't care for Powerpoint and usually paste my Visios as completed slides into my presos so the size says sane. I use it at work, have designed & built 3 houses with it and a lot more. It's not perfect, but it's definitely the one thing that keeps Linux off my desk.
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LanFlow
hkphooey 13th Feb 2006
I'm a big fan of LanFlow for diagrams. Really simple to use. Just does one thing and does it well.
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OpenOffice Draw is good
stewart@... Updated - 15th Feb 2006
I really like Visio but I have been using OpenOffice Draw at my current company. It is good and pretty easy to use. And the price can't be beaten.
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I use
Jaqui 31st Jan 2006
the specialised applications, I find them very simple to work with. [ But then, I can also drag and drop objects in a 3d modelling application and position them perfectly*, which most people have to use nudge tools to do ]

I find using the more complex tools works better for me, as I do use the features they offer to create exactly what I want wrt appearance.


* as long as said application has 4 view panes, not these cheap single view pieces of garbage being targeted at the home user.
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All Clear
chucky@... 3rd Feb 2006
My favorite diagramming and org chart tool is All Clear. It is reasonably simple to use but can do very complex things well. The best feature is that the input is text based. You write the text of your diagram, and the program creates the diagram. No dragging, dropping or layout chores. The text entry takes some getting used to but helps me clarify the process as I go. Because the diagram is created from the text, updates are wonderfully easy. Change the text, presto, updated diagram.
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Hi Chucky,

I was not aware of the allCLEAR product before your posting. I checked out one of the demo movies. It looks like it fits nicely between Word's native diagramming tools and Visio.

Once you get the allCLEAR settings tweaked to your preferences, you can probably go very fast. If I didn't have Visio mastered and wasn't so picky about controlling every single element, I'd probably go with allCLEAR.

For no frills flowcharting, looks like a good choice.

http://www.allclearonline.com/
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Pro
Because I'm a business controls consultant, rather than an IT Techie, I try to stay out of everyone's way on the forums so that I don't clutter the space with irrelevant comments and dumb questions. As a business controls consultant, I get a lot of benefit from everyone's insights and first want to say thanks to everyone.

I've been sucked into SOX compliance for more than 3 years, so have prepared and QA reviewed many flowcharts prepared by people with a wide range of knowledge and ability. Client management, Big 4 audit executives, and the big compliance consulting firms all seem to prescribe VISIO for SOX compliance flowcharting. The completed flowcharts look pretty, and because VISIO has the reputation of being a sophisticated charting program, using it reinforces their professional status and billing rates. However, in the field, I find that using VISIO to produce effective process controls flowcharts is difficult for the SOX project staff to use, particularly for less experienced auditors and for client personnel assigned to the project to try to hold down compliance costs. Many people at that level don't seem to have enough understanding of business process analysis to get all the procedures and controls into a logical sequence so that they have a good chance of creating a reasonably accurate VISIO flowchart the first time. Also, because client process owners often have knowledge of their function, but limited experience in process documentation and controls analysis, having them use VISIO to update process flowchart documentation when controls change in the future is likely to be a problem.

Where I find the problems from using VISIO is not in the first flowchart that is created, but in the multiple revisions that are usually necessary in order to get the SOX process documentation accurately represented in the flowchart. The page by page forced formatting in the VISIO version I've used and the difficulty of inserting or deleting elements within the flowchart for all but the most experienced users frequently results in extensive additional revision time and increased project costs. Plus, in many companies, not all of the functional process owners and their staff people, who will be responsible for maintaining the SOX compliance documentation, have licenses for VISIO. Many of the client companies where I have worked have balked at buying VISIO licenses for their personnel when they see what the price tag will be.

As a result, I've used Excel to create flowcharts whenever possible. Almost everyone has Excel and most people understand it well enough to use for basic flowcharting, even for relatively complex business processes. If the flowchart is wrong, Excel is easy to revise. A new step needed - just insert a few lines and draw the additional symbol. A step needs to be taken out - just delete the symbol, reconnect the arrows, and delete some lines to bring the symbols closer together. Trying to make a multi-function flowchart and you forgot to include a function - just insert a column for the new function. For each change, the rest of the flowchart is shifted automatically, but each step keeps its relative position in the flow. Plus, with Excel you can take care of all the controls descriptions and cross-referencing in a comments column, instead of having to insert multiple annotation symbols, as in VISIO. The annotation symbols (which can be extensive in SOX documentation) add even more difficulty to revising VISIO flowcharts. And best of all, compared to the VISIO versions I've used, in Excel it is not necessary to worry about where the page breaks will fall. Draw a continous process flow, covering as much of the spreadsheet work space as you need. Then, when you have the flowchart right, check the page breaks, shift the flowchart where necessary to get the page breaks clean, then insert the page connectors and you are finished.

However, even after all that I've said to justify the use of Excel, after seeing the demo movie clip for allClear, if it works any where near as well as in the promo clips, it will become my SOX documentation tool of choice. The text based structuring is easy for even the most inexperienced person to understand. The project staff I've worked with (both audit professionals and client personnel at all levels) all understand policy and procedure narratives. With allClear's text to graphics conversion, the staff can get the process narrative correct and in a logical sequence. Then, the flowchart follows with little need for correction. Plus, it looks like it has the same continuous flow, page overrun drawing that I prefer in Excel, so that I can make sure the process is properly documented without having to be concerned about formatting until the flowchart is correct. Plus, the pricing looks good enough that fewer clients are likely to balk at getting it for their personnel to use to maintain the documentation after the consultants have finished.

Many thanks for making me aware of allClear.
You are correct, many people have no idea these daigrams are available in MS Office Apps. This article will hopefully help someone and I am sure it is not meant for the hard core power user but the average user.
So many times people at my job ask me questions on Excel, Word etc. I simple copy these articles and send to them via email. Questions answered.
Thanks!
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Thanks for the tip. Most offices have Word on every desk top but have not sprung the big ticket for Visio so these tools will probably get most diagramming done. Unless you have purchased additional Visio stencils the standard set usually doesn?t have the exact graphics you need.
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Inspiration
jon.spain@... 15th Feb 2006
I used AllClear years ago and it is good but I mucch prefer Inspiration (www.inspiration.com) which is simpler and sufficiently powerful. I use it for some presentations and websites such as www.arblaw.org.uk because it just works. A new version 9 is just about out and it's Mac and Win.

Jon
As a couple other people have mentioned, it's really about what you need the diagrams for. From the emails I've received over the months, it seems that TechRepublic focuses more on the technical side, i.e. network diagrams, configurations, etc. (which I love). That being said, Visio is the way to go hands down.

MS Word is pretty good for HR flow and org chart diagrams, but if you're doing work process flows, Visio is still the way to go period. Heck, it doesn't appear that on the "cycle" diagram on Word that I can convert the cycle portions to have arrows for me to indicate which way the cycle is going unless I'm missing something.

Regardless, even if the clients you're doing diagrams for don't have Visio, then copying and pasting your images into a Powerpoint slide is cake and pretty much every office employee has Powerpoint. Keep sending the great notices though!
allCLEAR!
Fast, intelligent, true process mapping and comes with the functionality to run simulation and analysis of your process! Who could ask for anything more in an application!
I studied in IT at college, there we learnt about the use of MS Visio, but had to plan the logical flow of the diagram first on paper, then go through the drawing and planning stages before actually making any use of the software... however since college I have been introduced to allCLEAR, this is an extrodinary piece of software, it thinks for itself, cuts out all the planning stages, you just type in plain text on the right hand side and with the use of punctuation it plans the diagram, lays it out and works the logic for itself. cutting flowchart design time down by about one tenth of the time, leaving you more time to 'pretty it up' or get on with other things.
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test
Leee 21st Feb 2006
no further text
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test
Leee 21st Feb 2006
again
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Visio is of course a better drawing tool, it was designed for that task, the problem is that since Visio was a Microsoft acquisition, many of the commands and controls don't work exactly the way other Office products work, like for example text editing, item selection, etc.
This confuses people. I hope in future releases, Microsoft will standardize the way commands work. (yeah, right)
should diagrams be numbered or lettered, for example when in your report if you have more than one diagram, such as Diagram 1, Diagram 2, etc?
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Help me out
abukulato Updated - 29th Sep 2011
i have drawn two organizational charts on MS word.When I key in text in the last chart, the text is reflected on one of the boxes on the other chart
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