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The Scummy One
I ran into this and my jaw dropped a bit
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=946

MS is touting that Win 7 capable is about that of Vista -- however some features such as Win 7 VM or 'XP Mode' may not work depending on your processor and BIOS

I wonder hoe many systems will go out with a nice little stamp stating Win 7 capable -- that will not run some features?

But then again, I guess you get what you pay for. Also to note -- this is not really for most people anyway -- BUT -- for those who may want it, it is something to look at.
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    The Scummy One

    that all Athlon chips on an AM2 do support this VM, but not the 939 socket.
    And the BIOS must be able to activate it as well, and many do not have this option

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    understood why AMD is so under-rated. They did a better job with 64 bit chips adding the extra set of registers as opposed to emulation, and it looks as though they can handle this.

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    santeewelding

    Pays attention.

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    The Scummy One

    except for their lowest end chips, or anything on a 939 or earlier socket, it is all set
    Now, the problem for enabling becomes one of BIOS/motherboard abilities.

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    as manufacturers jump on the 'add bloatware to allow the user to manage the BIOS from the OS' bandwagon.

    Um. If they can't manage the BIOS via the BIOS, do they really need access to it?
    Hmmmm?

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    The Scummy One

    someone might hear you :0

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    santeewelding

    Stumbling around in my Asus trying to get rid of them stupid brackets in the boot order.

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    That'd be my choice for motherboard. Haven't built a dud, yet using ASUS and AMD.

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    seanferd

    Which is a specification used by many vendors, but not Intel. Better than the old FSB, as far as I can tell.

    Thing with AMD though, is that they tend to have a lot of fab errors. (Triple-core, anyone?) Management couldn't seem to get it together, either. But I also believe there are unfair forces in the market as well. Others may maintain that this is untrue.

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    Sorry, pseudo geek here.

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    santeewelding

    Positron tunneling one way instead of the other.

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    seanferd

    As I could not have explained it as clearly as you have done.

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    Yes, you should have.
    Pseudo osopher/ogian/ophile, too.

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    The Scummy One

    you surely have talent

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    santeewelding

    And I'll have you wondering how it is that you are.

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    to keep an eye over your shoulder, too.

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    seanferd

    Like the"oops" bread bin at the bakery.

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    The Scummy One

    is that they only make the processor. It is up to others for to make the chipsets.
    Intel does both

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    seanferd

    I hadn't thought of that.

    Then again, they may not be making the processors either, if all goes according to plan.

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    The Scummy One

    I have read lots of stuff about AMD that didnt settle right over the last year or so
    not good
    however, I am still more likely to buy AMD.

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    from the outset of my 'computer career'. AMD goes down the tubes, I'll bum. I've only one computer with Intel, and I'd have gone AMD if I could.

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    The Scummy One

    and everything that I have recommended to others is AMD. Well, almost at least. Sometimes the job required Intel for one reason or another.

    At work, a few of us tried pushing requests for AMD systems, however all we can get is Intel.

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    Slayer_

    Friend of mine has a duel core Intel, and it can't hold a candle to my duel core AMD, I don't know why as his is duel 2.8, and he has 4 gigs of RAM and I have duel 2.6 and 3 gigs of RAM, but my system boots in half the time, everything is far snappier, i achieve better frame rates in everything, even though we run same video cards and sound cards.

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    Intel platform in ages recently. Though I've no measure but my own perception, it's slower than my AMD's.

    It doesn't run as hot as my AMD's, but I'd rather have perk. Oh well.

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    seanferd

    I would definitely consider AMD first. Thing is, whenever I'm thinking of upgrading, someone drops something that is more than good enough at my door. Some kind of weird Zen, or something.

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    The Scummy One

    I dont buy much either, but I have 4 systems here currently, and only bought 1.

    3 are people wanting to discard useless cr@p that suits my needs for Linux or file storing/backup purposes.

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    The Scummy One

    has always been a problem for AMD.

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    The 'G-Man.'

    therefore if a machince can't run it it will have nothing to do wit the GOLD code on the disk released / OEM installed OS.

    This is an addon which you can use dependant on your hardware.

    EDIT : It also clearly states on the processor specs (Intel anyway): Intel Virtualization Technology : YES / NO

    Example: http://ark.intel.com/cpu.aspx?groupID=40479&code=t6400

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    The Scummy One

    Last night, I stumbled across it read some of the responses (not all) and posted it. It is something to be aware of I think.

    However, I have thought of a few items about it since, which make me wonder (not enough time now to post). However, I am waiting to see if anyone else thinks about 1 of them and asks/post about it...

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    The Scummy One

    thinking that they can download and use this, only to find the BIOS or processor does not support it.

    Yes, there are still SW versions avail, but it is not the same.


    Now for the real question. I thought that someone else might try bringing it up, but I guess not.
    Security/Stability? Anyone?

    After reading just a little about this, it kind of caught me in a giggle. On the NT platform, MS has tried for years for the OS to control everything. They created the Hardware Abstraction Layer so that devices had to go through the OS, instead of communicating with other devices directly. I was under the impression that they did this due to bad SW and virus issues.
    So, now they create a way to enable the bypassing of the OS and allowing HW to HW calls?
    Is this just not asking for more troubles?

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    The Scummy One

    Ok, I like it much better than Vista already, however, there are still a lot of things that I would want different.

    First, the start menu has default The Shutdown Button -- YAY

    Ok, the system rates a 3.4 (HP Compaq 6510b notebook), and yet it took less than 40 min to install and boots quickly (havent timed it yet).
    Also note -- none of the company SW is installed yet (add 5 min to boot times) and I havent downloaded anything except a few gadgets (while showing it to someone.

    The default start menu shows some different things than I would expect. A snippet tool (screen capture) -- this works fast but requires a few steps. I think I need to play more with keyboard shortcuts for launching it.
    A Sticky Notes tool -- yes, useful, but too bad they dont bunch up better.
    IE8 seems a bit faster than any other browser I have at the moment (however, it may be because the domain shlt hasnt caught up with me yet).
    an oddity though, when I launched IE8, I started getting popups for Flash upgrade. I said no, next page visited it popped back up -- I said no, next page visited.... This is a huge annoyance. Flash -- FU
    I ended up installing it (3 times I had to choose OK, more f**king annoyance) before it would STFU.
    reboots quickly (joined domain).

    Another oddity is that the control panel does NOT have a classic view, instead it is called Icon (large) or icon (small). This does the same thing, but it took a minute to sink in. Ok, maybe I am slow.

    The flagged messages can be missed easily -- the notifications arent blocking the systtray or windows in the lower corner. However, there is a flag there (hpefully they will be colored for the final release). This one is telling me to install Antivirus (good call).

    Wireless appears mostly the same for the manual setup, however it looks to be quicker if scrolling through local networks in range to connect to.

    Now Where is my Quick Launch??? WTF were they thinking getting rid of it??? It is quite different to PIN apps to the taskbar and to have a QL area.

    Anyway, after a very short time, I am neither impressed totally, or unimpressed totally. Several things bug the f*** outta me, while several things seem better/faster.

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    Ruh roh. I drag all kinds of stuff into that for quick access without desktop clutter. Tell me you found how to add it...

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    The Scummy One

    with pinning to the taskbar. Similar, but annoying none the less.

    Another annoyance -- I downloaded AVG and tried to install it. Vista would ask to unzip it -- Win 7 Ultimate asks what to open it with (default -- Win Media Player-- LOL)
    I think I need to download the zip application, whatever it may be called -- or just pickup Winzip.

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    the way the Quick Launch Bar does, I'm gonna be might unhappy. As though Uncle Billy gives a schitt.

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    The Scummy One

    as he is no longer at MS

    But no, they dont hide (that I have seen yet). You can unpin them though -- ughh

    Anyway, the most annoying part is the icons are the same as the taskbar icons, and if you have an app opened, it hides with the icon that was pinned... YUK
    this will take some getting used to, but I hate it already.

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    Uncle Billy is my dis for Microsoft.

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    The Scummy One

    it is certain that Uncle Bill don give a shlt -- you are not a huge corp

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    The 'G-Man.'

    Downloaded the AVG zip and it instaled OK.

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    The 'G-Man.'

    * Right-click the taskbar, choose Toolbars / New Toolbar

    * In the folder selection dialog, enter the following string and hit OK:

    %userprofile%\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick Launch

    * Turn off the ?lock the taskbar? setting, and right-click on the divider. Make sure that ?Show text? and ?Show title? are disabled and the view is set to ?small icons?.

    * Use the dividers to rearrange the toolbar ordering to choice, and then lock the taskbar again.

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    The Scummy One

    -- like a button for Quick Launch

    This is one of my big annoyances with Vista as well. MS is trying to force a new view of things even if it is not wanted. Then you gotta jump through hoops to figure out how to get it back the way it is wanted. And often, it is a more limited effect.

    Oh well, so far, I see no real reason to upgrade to Win 7 at home. Looks like I'll more likely build a new nix box instead.

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    The 'G-Man.'

    Is the question I'm asking.

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    The Scummy One

    for some folders, and you can drag other items there. I dont have much there though. Maybe its a KDE thing.

    Now you are gonna make me think a bit huh???
    :^0

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    The 'G-Man.'

    As it was such a big deal in Win 7 yet is missing from nix it can't be that big a deal after all.

    Still would be handy on a nix system!

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    The Scummy One

    takes up more room than the pinned icons set to small icon.

    oh well, I guess it is gone -- for me this QL version sucks worse.

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    The 'G-Man.'

    There are loads of 3rd party apps that do a better job anyway!

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    The Scummy One

    3rd party apps for what reason?

    Yes, I can do without the QL (as you pointed out), it was just a convenience.
    As for nix systems, yes, I would like it there, but I use different apps in nix than in Win. The QL is just an interface that I prefer.
    Since it is no longer, I aint gonna worry too much, that was a quick rant about a feature that was fine -- and now sucks.

    Also, this may be changed when when the final release is done, just like the bug with explorer when downloading -- still having to browse folders.

    I didnt go into this to slam MS, however, they seem to be doing a good job of annoying me while trying to use it in a basic state. I personally dont see the improvements as being great improvements, and I do see the annoyances just getting worse, not better.

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    The 'G-Man.'

    when you are making a product that may be used by millions of people.

    There will be things that are loved / hated per person.

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    The 'G-Man.'

    as are all other browsers outside IE on windows.

    On nix firefox is a 3rd part app as well.

    EDIT - in nix most of the apps are 3rd party.

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    The Scummy One

    and I know it, so does that mean I should want to install 3rd party apps constantly in order to get Windows long time features back?
    As for Linux, it is a different platform and many distro's pre-bundle a lot of SW already. I havent had to go out and download too many things. As for

    Ahh -- gotta go, someone in our workgroup just died

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    The 'G-Man.'

    yes, most of which (if not all) are all 3rd party.

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    The Scummy One

    where did the 'explore' option go when right clicking some folders? Why did it take a hike?? I use this often, even in the start menu -- saves navigation time.

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    The Scummy One

    file system still sucks

    download, highlight desktop, select new -- folder and say ok
    it creates the folder but I cannot see the f**king thing. I do it again, and start clicking around. To get to the folder I have to highlight Desktop from the right pane, and then NAVIGATE TO IT in the left pane. What a f**king piece of shlt, dumba$$, stupid f**king, backwards kinda thing is this.

    Shoot the f**kers that designed this POS of a retarded system!

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    The 'G-Man.'

    there are the tools to configure things just as you like if you know how to use them. Just because it's not the default does not mean it is not there or possible.

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    reisen55

    BE WARNED

    Major failure. I put Windows 7 onto an 80gb SATA where I was testing and then pulled the 80, dropped in a 160 to restore a Windows XP build I created just before the Win 7 Upgrade.

    Now this would be prudent? Right?

    Down below I also have a 1 terabyte drive with two partitions on it.

    Windows 7 interacts with these too. BE WARNED, it toasted a 500gb partition down there and I am spending hours reconstructing both XP (which refused to load) and the partition data (I have a redundant copy so no data is lost).

    BE VERY VERY CAREFUL

    If you evaluate, pull cables on secondary drives asap. Do not let Windows 7 SEE THEM.

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    The 'G-Man.'

    but I'm not 100% on the fact that it burned them. Need more details.

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    The Scummy One

    While some things are improved upon from Vista, other things are stil an annoyance, or more of an annoyance than before.

    I totally disgree with the reports that Vista haters will like Win 7. After 1 day of use (at work only), using it for 5-10 minutes at a time -- causes me to smoke more and run back to XP, Ubuntu, and PCLOS. So many things seem to be a hassle, it makes my head spin just seeing this POS system powered on.
    Assessment -- if you like Vista, go for it. If you dont like Vista -- RUN FAST

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    The Scummy One

    however, I prefer clean installs, and alerady installed the virtual XP system. So far it is decent, but I gotta hook up a second monitor soon and use it in there.

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    The Scummy One

    that all Athlon chips on an AM2 do support this VM, but not the 939 socket.
    And the BIOS must be able to activate it as well, and many do not have this option

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    understood why AMD is so under-rated. They did a better job with 64 bit chips adding the extra set of registers as opposed to emulation, and it looks as though they can handle this.

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    santeewelding

    Pays attention.

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    The Scummy One

    except for their lowest end chips, or anything on a 939 or earlier socket, it is all set
    Now, the problem for enabling becomes one of BIOS/motherboard abilities.

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    as manufacturers jump on the 'add bloatware to allow the user to manage the BIOS from the OS' bandwagon.

    Um. If they can't manage the BIOS via the BIOS, do they really need access to it?
    Hmmmm?

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    The Scummy One

    someone might hear you :0

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    santeewelding

    Stumbling around in my Asus trying to get rid of them stupid brackets in the boot order.

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    That'd be my choice for motherboard. Haven't built a dud, yet using ASUS and AMD.

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    seanferd

    Which is a specification used by many vendors, but not Intel. Better than the old FSB, as far as I can tell.

    Thing with AMD though, is that they tend to have a lot of fab errors. (Triple-core, anyone?) Management couldn't seem to get it together, either. But I also believe there are unfair forces in the market as well. Others may maintain that this is untrue.

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    Sorry, pseudo geek here.

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    santeewelding

    Positron tunneling one way instead of the other.

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    seanferd

    As I could not have explained it as clearly as you have done.

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    Yes, you should have.
    Pseudo osopher/ogian/ophile, too.

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    The Scummy One

    you surely have talent

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    santeewelding

    And I'll have you wondering how it is that you are.

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    to keep an eye over your shoulder, too.

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    seanferd

    Like the"oops" bread bin at the bakery.

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    The Scummy One

    is that they only make the processor. It is up to others for to make the chipsets.
    Intel does both

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    seanferd

    I hadn't thought of that.

    Then again, they may not be making the processors either, if all goes according to plan.

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    The Scummy One

    I have read lots of stuff about AMD that didnt settle right over the last year or so
    not good
    however, I am still more likely to buy AMD.

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    from the outset of my 'computer career'. AMD goes down the tubes, I'll bum. I've only one computer with Intel, and I'd have gone AMD if I could.

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    The Scummy One

    and everything that I have recommended to others is AMD. Well, almost at least. Sometimes the job required Intel for one reason or another.

    At work, a few of us tried pushing requests for AMD systems, however all we can get is Intel.

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    Slayer_

    Friend of mine has a duel core Intel, and it can't hold a candle to my duel core AMD, I don't know why as his is duel 2.8, and he has 4 gigs of RAM and I have duel 2.6 and 3 gigs of RAM, but my system boots in half the time, everything is far snappier, i achieve better frame rates in everything, even though we run same video cards and sound cards.

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    Intel platform in ages recently. Though I've no measure but my own perception, it's slower than my AMD's.

    It doesn't run as hot as my AMD's, but I'd rather have perk. Oh well.

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    seanferd

    I would definitely consider AMD first. Thing is, whenever I'm thinking of upgrading, someone drops something that is more than good enough at my door. Some kind of weird Zen, or something.

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    The Scummy One

    I dont buy much either, but I have 4 systems here currently, and only bought 1.

    3 are people wanting to discard useless cr@p that suits my needs for Linux or file storing/backup purposes.

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    The Scummy One

    has always been a problem for AMD.

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    The 'G-Man.'

    therefore if a machince can't run it it will have nothing to do wit the GOLD code on the disk released / OEM installed OS.

    This is an addon which you can use dependant on your hardware.

    EDIT : It also clearly states on the processor specs (Intel anyway): Intel Virtualization Technology : YES / NO

    Example: http://ark.intel.com/cpu.aspx?groupID=40479&code=t6400

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    The Scummy One

    Last night, I stumbled across it read some of the responses (not all) and posted it. It is something to be aware of I think.

    However, I have thought of a few items about it since, which make me wonder (not enough time now to post). However, I am waiting to see if anyone else thinks about 1 of them and asks/post about it...

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    The Scummy One

    thinking that they can download and use this, only to find the BIOS or processor does not support it.

    Yes, there are still SW versions avail, but it is not the same.


    Now for the real question. I thought that someone else might try bringing it up, but I guess not.
    Security/Stability? Anyone?

    After reading just a little about this, it kind of caught me in a giggle. On the NT platform, MS has tried for years for the OS to control everything. They created the Hardware Abstraction Layer so that devices had to go through the OS, instead of communicating with other devices directly. I was under the impression that they did this due to bad SW and virus issues.
    So, now they create a way to enable the bypassing of the OS and allowing HW to HW calls?
    Is this just not asking for more troubles?

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    The Scummy One

    Ok, I like it much better than Vista already, however, there are still a lot of things that I would want different.

    First, the start menu has default The Shutdown Button -- YAY

    Ok, the system rates a 3.4 (HP Compaq 6510b notebook), and yet it took less than 40 min to install and boots quickly (havent timed it yet).
    Also note -- none of the company SW is installed yet (add 5 min to boot times) and I havent downloaded anything except a few gadgets (while showing it to someone.

    The default start menu shows some different things than I would expect. A snippet tool (screen capture) -- this works fast but requires a few steps. I think I need to play more with keyboard shortcuts for launching it.
    A Sticky Notes tool -- yes, useful, but too bad they dont bunch up better.
    IE8 seems a bit faster than any other browser I have at the moment (however, it may be because the domain shlt hasnt caught up with me yet).
    an oddity though, when I launched IE8, I started getting popups for Flash upgrade. I said no, next page visited it popped back up -- I said no, next page visited.... This is a huge annoyance. Flash -- FU
    I ended up installing it (3 times I had to choose OK, more f**king annoyance) before it would STFU.
    reboots quickly (joined domain).

    Another oddity is that the control panel does NOT have a classic view, instead it is called Icon (large) or icon (small). This does the same thing, but it took a minute to sink in. Ok, maybe I am slow.

    The flagged messages can be missed easily -- the notifications arent blocking the systtray or windows in the lower corner. However, there is a flag there (hpefully they will be colored for the final release). This one is telling me to install Antivirus (good call).

    Wireless appears mostly the same for the manual setup, however it looks to be quicker if scrolling through local networks in range to connect to.

    Now Where is my Quick Launch??? WTF were they thinking getting rid of it??? It is quite different to PIN apps to the taskbar and to have a QL area.

    Anyway, after a very short time, I am neither impressed totally, or unimpressed totally. Several things bug the f*** outta me, while several things seem better/faster.

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    Ruh roh. I drag all kinds of stuff into that for quick access without desktop clutter. Tell me you found how to add it...

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    The Scummy One

    with pinning to the taskbar. Similar, but annoying none the less.

    Another annoyance -- I downloaded AVG and tried to install it. Vista would ask to unzip it -- Win 7 Ultimate asks what to open it with (default -- Win Media Player-- LOL)
    I think I need to download the zip application, whatever it may be called -- or just pickup Winzip.

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    the way the Quick Launch Bar does, I'm gonna be might unhappy. As though Uncle Billy gives a schitt.

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    The Scummy One

    as he is no longer at MS

    But no, they dont hide (that I have seen yet). You can unpin them though -- ughh

    Anyway, the most annoying part is the icons are the same as the taskbar icons, and if you have an app opened, it hides with the icon that was pinned... YUK
    this will take some getting used to, but I hate it already.

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    boxfiddler Moderator

    Uncle Billy is my dis for Microsoft.

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    The Scummy One

    it is certain that Uncle Bill don give a shlt -- you are not a huge corp

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    The 'G-Man.'

    Downloaded the AVG zip and it instaled OK.

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    The 'G-Man.'

    * Right-click the taskbar, choose Toolbars / New Toolbar

    * In the folder selection dialog, enter the following string and hit OK:

    %userprofile%\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick Launch

    * Turn off the ?lock the taskbar? setting, and right-click on the divider. Make sure that ?Show text? and ?Show title? are disabled and the view is set to ?small icons?.

    * Use the dividers to rearrange the toolbar ordering to choice, and then lock the taskbar again.

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    The Scummy One

    -- like a button for Quick Launch

    This is one of my big annoyances with Vista as well. MS is trying to force a new view of things even if it is not wanted. Then you gotta jump through hoops to figure out how to get it back the way it is wanted. And often, it is a more limited effect.

    Oh well, so far, I see no real reason to upgrade to Win 7 at home. Looks like I'll more likely build a new nix box instead.

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    The 'G-Man.'

    Is the question I'm asking.

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    The Scummy One

    for some folders, and you can drag other items there. I dont have much there though. Maybe its a KDE thing.

    Now you are gonna make me think a bit huh???
    :^0

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    The 'G-Man.'

    As it was such a big deal in Win 7 yet is missing from nix it can't be that big a deal after all.

    Still would be handy on a nix system!

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    The Scummy One

    takes up more room than the pinned icons set to small icon.

    oh well, I guess it is gone -- for me this QL version sucks worse.

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    The 'G-Man.'

    There are loads of 3rd party apps that do a better job anyway!

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    The Scummy One

    3rd party apps for what reason?

    Yes, I can do without the QL (as you pointed out), it was just a convenience.
    As for nix systems, yes, I would like it there, but I use different apps in nix than in Win. The QL is just an interface that I prefer.
    Since it is no longer, I aint gonna worry too much, that was a quick rant about a feature that was fine -- and now sucks.

    Also, this may be changed when when the final release is done, just like the bug with explorer when downloading -- still having to browse folders.

    I didnt go into this to slam MS, however, they seem to be doing a good job of annoying me while trying to use it in a basic state. I personally dont see the improvements as being great improvements, and I do see the annoyances just getting worse, not better.

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    The 'G-Man.'

    when you are making a product that may be used by millions of people.

    There will be things that are loved / hated per person.

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    The 'G-Man.'

    as are all other browsers outside IE on windows.

    On nix firefox is a 3rd part app as well.

    EDIT - in nix most of the apps are 3rd party.

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    The Scummy One

    and I know it, so does that mean I should want to install 3rd party apps constantly in order to get Windows long time features back?
    As for Linux, it is a different platform and many distro's pre-bundle a lot of SW already. I havent had to go out and download too many things. As for

    Ahh -- gotta go, someone in our workgroup just died

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    The 'G-Man.'

    yes, most of which (if not all) are all 3rd party.

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    The Scummy One

    where did the 'explore' option go when right clicking some folders? Why did it take a hike?? I use this often, even in the start menu -- saves navigation time.

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    The Scummy One

    file system still sucks

    download, highlight desktop, select new -- folder and say ok
    it creates the folder but I cannot see the f**king thing. I do it again, and start clicking around. To get to the folder I have to highlight Desktop from the right pane, and then NAVIGATE TO IT in the left pane. What a f**king piece of shlt, dumba$$, stupid f**king, backwards kinda thing is this.

    Shoot the f**kers that designed this POS of a retarded system!

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    The 'G-Man.'

    there are the tools to configure things just as you like if you know how to use them. Just because it's not the default does not mean it is not there or possible.

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    reisen55

    BE WARNED

    Major failure. I put Windows 7 onto an 80gb SATA where I was testing and then pulled the 80, dropped in a 160 to restore a Windows XP build I created just before the Win 7 Upgrade.

    Now this would be prudent? Right?

    Down below I also have a 1 terabyte drive with two partitions on it.

    Windows 7 interacts with these too. BE WARNED, it toasted a 500gb partition down there and I am spending hours reconstructing both XP (which refused to load) and the partition data (I have a redundant copy so no data is lost).

    BE VERY VERY CAREFUL

    If you evaluate, pull cables on secondary drives asap. Do not let Windows 7 SEE THEM.

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    The 'G-Man.'

    but I'm not 100% on the fact that it burned them. Need more details.

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    The Scummy One

    While some things are improved upon from Vista, other things are stil an annoyance, or more of an annoyance than before.

    I totally disgree with the reports that Vista haters will like Win 7. After 1 day of use (at work only), using it for 5-10 minutes at a time -- causes me to smoke more and run back to XP, Ubuntu, and PCLOS. So many things seem to be a hassle, it makes my head spin just seeing this POS system powered on.
    Assessment -- if you like Vista, go for it. If you dont like Vista -- RUN FAST

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    The Scummy One

    however, I prefer clean installs, and alerady installed the virtual XP system. So far it is decent, but I gotta hook up a second monitor soon and use it in there.