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    Are you voting in this election?

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    by av . ·

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    This is the most gut-wrenching campaign I’ve ever seen in my life. The ups and downs on both sides are so extreme, but they’re also compelling because it offers two distinct paths. The choice is globalism or nationalism.

    Will you vote this year and why? Or why not?

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    • #2421390

      The choice is not exactly globalism vs nationalism

      by john.a.wills ·

      In reply to Are you voting in this election?

      It is more a matter of secular inhumanism vs exasperated (and often ignorant) longing for a genuinely better world based on self-respect rather than self-esteem. The U.S. Republicans used to say “My country is the world, my countrymen all mankind”. Trump would seem to eschew that, while Clinton might just (with gender changes) say it, but not mean it: she would really like to deny human rights to a vast swathe of humanity by stacking the Supreme Court with pro-death judges, repealing the Hyde Amendment, etc.

      To decide how to vote, start by stating the purpose of government then ask of the governments that concern (not necessarily which interest) you, starting with the UN System and working basically downwards, what each is doing contrary to t hat purpose (not how it is failing in that purpose, nor what it is doing that you disagree with). Then think, for each election you must make, which candidate is more likely to make things worse or better.

      • #2443134

        I’m Absolutely Voting

        by juanita marquez ·

        In reply to The choice is not exactly globalism vs nationalism

        Look at Gore vs. Bush – It’s ALWAYS important to vote. In some areas, if you do not vote regularly and/or in primaries, you are legally purged from the roster and wind up unhappily surprised when your name is missing. I’m very, very decided and happy with the candidate I’m choosing. I am seriously considering voting early because there is too much at stake in case roads are closed, machines malfunction, or non-computer-savvy people are manning the iPads to look up names (ask me how I know about that one). It also frees me up to consider volunteering at the polls or to drive the elderly or infirm around to vote on Election Day.

        Even if you don’t vote for president, at least get in there and vote on any other local issues or representatives that you are knowledgeable about. Having the right to choose who is running your local government is a big deal, don’t throw it away.

    • #2421388

      I assume you’re referring to the US Presidential election

      by charliespencer ·

      In reply to Are you voting in this election?

      I’m definitely voting in the other races.

      I haven’t made up my mind if I’ll vote in the Presidential race yet. I live in a solidly Republican state, and SC’s electoral votes will go to Donald Trump regardless of how I vote (or don’t).

      I don’t see it as globalism vs. nationalism. I see it strictly as the lesser of two evils. Out of 330 million people, I have a hard time accepting these as the top two candidates we could come up with.

      To me, this race should have been a shoo-in for the Republican party. They knew over two years ago that Hillary Clinton would likely be the Democratic candidate. The number of issues surrounding her, combined with Barack Obama’s lackluster performance, should have made it easy to present a case against her to the voters. A center-right candidate should have had an easy time defeating her. The resulting coattails would have kept the Elephants in control of both houses.

      Then they wound up with their own candidate with an equal or greater load of baggage, a load he appears intent on increasing. How that happened will keep PoliSci classes busy for decades. It appears his statements have endangered the seats of Congressional office holders.

      Either way, I don’t see either winner as facing a cooperative legislature. It will be four more years of gridlock. Sen. Lindsey Graham said it about the primaries but in my opinion it applies equally to the general election: “Death by being shot or poisoned.” If I do vote for President, it will be followed by a long, boiling hot shower, washing with Comet and Clorox, and consideration of the level of intestinal purging usually reserved for a colonoscopy.

      • #2421382

        Suppose everyone thought like Charlie…

        by john.a.wills ·

        In reply to I assume you’re referring to the US Presidential election

        Well, suppose a great number of people did, Charlie’s vote might be just the one to tilt the balance. So, Charlie, vote.

      • #2443129
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        Mickey Mouse for President!

        by Tammy.Cavadias ·

        In reply to I assume you’re referring to the US Presidential election

        I for one am tired of this entire election. I will be thankful when it is over.

        • #2443117

          thankful…

          by john.a.wills ·

          In reply to Mickey Mouse for President!

          suppose the more worthless candidate wins, will you be thankful then? Whichever way it goes, you can at best relax a little while gearing up for the next one and for your activity under the new regime. Do show some responsibility!

        • #2443186

          May be or may not

          by juanita123 ·

          In reply to thankful…

          I am not sure about whether I will vote or not. Well, I am not a person with so many political views.

        • #2443173

          too late – are you voting in Canada?

          by john.a.wills ·

          In reply to May be or may not

          I’m afraid I hadn’t noticed an election coming up there. The most important issue there is as in the U.S. pro-life vs pro-death, but it is far less influential in political discussion. Why is that?

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