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By lovicott ·
"Big Brother"
I work at a school that just implemented a new device that records key strokes and notifies of profanity and when a user visits a xrated website. The school is up in arms over this. There have been little signs put up saying "Big Brother is watching" secret meetings the whole nine. Is it a bad thing that we are monitoring out students and teachers. is it a bad thing that we are stopping students and teachers from visiting xrated, My space, the favorite chat programs, and many others. Last month the show Nightline aor a series that used MySpace anfd other sites like it to lure in potential predators. i say ptoential because thay were caught before anything could happen most of the guys caught knew they would be there to meet an underage youth. Who is the "bad guy"?

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In larger interest

by dpkchauhan In reply to "Big Brother"

Since it is in the larger interest for both students and teachers, the monitoring is justified, only how it is implemented will decide whether they take in a positive or negative way.
Take them into confidence and educate them, particularly the students.
Alternately you can bar undesired "sites" on your server.

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Refreshingly calm

by raelayne In reply to In larger interest

I have to say, I found your comment -- compared to some below -- to be sensible, dpkchauhan.

Come on boys, don't you have anything better to do with your time than surf porn and look for ways to sneak swear words into your passwords?

And don't tell me it's the principle of the thing -- people don't get excited about the principle until it's about something really politically important, like bad people telling you how to spend your time at work ...

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What is so special about .... CYBERSPACE

by SirLanse In reply to Refreshingly calm

They are in a school looking at materials that
are not appropriate for school. If is it drooling over National Geographic, or IED designs what difference does it make that it is on a "magic box of technology"? So many of you are just in complete awe of the tools. GET OVER IT.
Computers are just tools, the internet is just a bunch of info. No magic, no special place that the rules are different. If you are not allowed to view kiddie pron at home, you can't do it in "cyberspace". If you aren't supposed to be talking to your friends, you can't do it in cyberspace. If you are supposed to be doing research, you are supposed to be reading in the library, not taking to your friends in "cyberspace". The schools are not restricting what they can do in some mythical magical realm. They are directing what they children are to do in the library and in class.

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Exactly!

by pete1978 In reply to What is so special about ...

swwg69 is completely correct. Why isn't anyone complaining because their kids cannot check playboy out from the school library? Answer, because NOBODY expects that playboy would be available in the school library. If I have to explain that expectation to you, forget it ... you're beyond hope.

Remember when you were in school and we didn't have a PC on every desk. Were you allowed to pass notes (profane or not)? No. If you were caught, the note might be read to the whole class and IF the note was inappropriate according to the teacher's standards, you could plan on detention, a visit to the office, Mom and Dad being called, etc.

Nothing has changed. We have just started applying the same rules to cybermedia. And remember, unlike the note you could not pass in class or the Playboy you could not bring into school -- both of which you owned -- the school owns the PCs and, by virtue of ownership, has the right to tell you what you can and cannot do with the PC.

So all the Big Brother conspiracy folks hitting on this one, get over it. This isn't Big Brother watching what you do walking down the street, this is a school protecting their investments. Wouldn't you do the same?

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Cyberspace is another classroom and requires a diferent teaching approach

by Pheck In reply to What is so special about ...

I agree with the general principles that you mnetion in your post, but would like to suggest that the 'tool' of ICT means that there are going to be fundamental changes in the way skills and knowledge are going to be delivered and taken up. Sure, we should put some parameters in place, but it is worth remembering that this tool will also allow for some really new ways for teachers and students to interact, so we need to provide some filters, witout being overly restrictive.
It's about education and helping people make appropriate choices.
Surely that's what education is about. If we encourage facilitated inquistion of knowledge then we can help the students make positive choices. The societal norms should be applied in the types of filters that are put in place, without being overly religious, morally righteous or cultural/racialy exclusive; we live in the developed democratic world and our education systems should reflect that.

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space=geometry=axioms

by gabrielbear In reply to Cyberspace is another cla ...

cyberswpace, workspace, learning space...etc.
ok. if a =1/b then it does.
along the x, y, or z axes.
somebody might wanna look at the supremes opinion of why >prayer< cannot be outlawed in school: "there will be prayers in schools as long as there are math tests". this sets an array boundary. the principle of elegance requires another array sdet at "u cain't watch porn on company/school/library time-space."
these "free speech"/big brother discussions are therefore, hmmmm. segmentation faults.
and there is an effort to get them deep into the source code of the social contract.

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refreshing and accurate view

by colingbradley In reply to What is so special about ...

Like it.

You have put things in perspective that all the daft legal words fail to address.

Reverse the viewpoint and it all makes sense.
Good one!

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LOL

by Absolutely In reply to What is so special about ...

I wish I had read this earlier! Way to cut to the chase!

If your parents don't buy you a computer of your very own, and you don't choose to buy one with the money you earned on your paper route (if you're industrious enough to hold a job), don't expect unlimited, unmonitored use of the computer I bought you!

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what are priniciples?

by giannidalessismo In reply to Refreshingly calm

are you kidding? seriously, I cannot tell from your post. your last
paragraph is either entirely facetious, or you do not understand
that "principle of the thing" is what is known as a Platonic ideal: it
is a principle; can you think in the abstract? Do you understand
what a slippery slope is? What are "principles" to you? ARE YOU
KIDDING?

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Obviously Not Educated in U.S.

by SendBux In reply to Refreshingly calm

Many people don't understand what free speech is for, or what it protects.

Most of us raised here consider it a precious right, and not one to be truncated by either state or private action. The First Amendment stands different from, for instance, the Fourth Amendment right to be free of unlawful searches, which CAN be "infringed" by private persons in certain circumstances with relative impunity, whereas the State is not permitted to do so.

Free Speech is what we fought for in WWII. It is what we fought for in 1776. It is one of the most important rights we own, and a school has no right to infringe on it, without some competing interest which "trumps" free speech.

There are very few interests that do, and they usually amount to "Fire!" in a crowded theater and the like.

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