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buy an iMac or a PC?

By bakwas.reg ·
Hello everyone,
Time has come for me to buy a new machine. I have always used PCs at home, work.

I am now toying with the idea, that may be I should get myself an iMac. I guess what's holding me back is I don't know anything about Macs, never used them. As a result I am unable to evaluate the specifications .

Also, is it difficult to do upgrades to memory, hard disk extra once I buy it.

So is it better to get a PC or an iMac

Thanks in advance.

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Get a Mac

by NOW LEFT TR In reply to buy an iMac or a PC?

and then put your fav PC OS on it AS WELL as the Max OSX. It can be done with a little work.

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Urge to get Mac?

by onbliss In reply to buy an iMac or a PC?

Then just get one.

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Maybe...do some thinking first.

by atroon In reply to Urge to get Mac?

I've toyed around with the idea of getting a Mac for a while now, especially since the Intel based systems came out. I like the POSIX-based kernel as well as the OS, but I've consistently noticed a few things about Mac systems that follow on naturally from Apple's position as a 'cool' company and a 'maintain control' company, as well as a 'Zen simplicity' company, viz. the image they've created for themselves in the post-iPod world.

1) It is not possible in general to purchase a slower/older processor when you know you don't need the top of the line for your needs. This translates into the fact that you will ALWAYS pay top dollar for a MacBook or any other product, because they continually upgrade the systems and they maintain the price while improving the hardware; many other manufacturers will keep the hardware around for longer and decrease the price on existing systems while introducing new ones at the top of the pricing tiers.

2: Most Macs that I have spec'd, while being at the top of the line in processor, video, hard drive, etc. are almost always short on RAM. Plan on upgrading whatever you get with double the RAM that's installed when you get it. A photographer friend of mine said his studio doesn't even power on new systems before putting in more memory. It will smooth out your life immensely.

In sum, you can get a Mac, they're great systems, but you will pay for the greatness and the design and all the other 'cool factor' that go along with it. The question is whether or not you're willing to shell out the cash for the intangibles. For some people, like artists, it's a no brainer...they will plop down $3000 for a laptop without batting an eye because they need the design factor as much as they need the PC itself. For me, I'm not there yet.

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Have you heard of the Mac Mini?

by JackG058 In reply to Maybe...do some thinking ...

Atroon, you make it sound like this guy is going to have to pony up 3 grand just to enjoy the Mac experience. WRONG! The Mini can be had for around $700. I agree that one should up the standard memory from the included 512mb to 1gb. I did it myself and it cost me $130 for the memory. I also purchased Parallels for Mac, and then proceeded to install Windows XP with almost as much ease as just putting it onto a standard PC. The great thing is that I notice no speed decrease, and this way I also don't have to boot to go into Windows (not that I go there very much now).

If you have an original XP disk with SP2 on it, you may also use Apple's own Bootcamp for free. You have to have SP2 on the CD though, which was my limitation.

Mac OS X though is far superior to XP, IMHO. I only use XP now for my already paid for Office XP, and and old scripture program that I cannot get anywhere else and that requires Windows. You can buy MS Office for the Mac if you prefer, or you may use the free OpenOffice for Mac.

Hope this helps in the decision of the Mac seeker, and that it clears up the misconception that the Mac is too expensive. Used to be, but no longer.

MAC OS X - the cure for the Windows headache!

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A good point...

by atroon In reply to Have you heard of the Mac ...

The Mac Mini is a good product, and it is priced a lot more attractively. At the same time, which Mac Experience (tm) are we talking about here?

The Mac Mini will excel (no pun intended) at office applications and web browsing, but it's not beefy enough to handle large/serious media or graphics editing which most people think of as the Mac specialties. It will publish a blog and photos with iLife/iPhoto, but by and large, you're still paying more for a Mac Mini than the equivalent Windows hardware _because Apple won't let other people manufacture their hardware_, which, as I said, ensures the 'cool' factor but keeps prices higher.

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Buy a Mac ... and much more !

by phlcarp In reply to Urge to get Mac?

Don?t be afraid to buy an iMac : from the very beginning,
Macintoshs are well known to be very easy to use ; with
Mac OsX, they are known to be very secure (no viruses at
all) ; and the new Intel iMacs are also very powerful...

And, with an iMac, you will get for free a whole
development system, an assortment of easy to use media
applications, a complete Unix system, and the possibility
of running Linux and (if you are fool enough) even
Windows ! I don?t know any computer that have a better
capabilities/price ratio.

You only will have to abandon some (bad) habits you got
with Windows, and learn some (good) others for your iMac
: for example, control click instead of the right mouse
button to get a contextual menu... And as a reward, you
will get a very powerful navigation tool in the file system
with the column presentation of the Finder, and a lot of
other nice things that Windows Vista has finally copied.

Memory upgrades on iMacs are easy ; and no problems
with external hard disks... you can even boot from them.

Get an iMac without fear ; you will never get back.

phlcarp

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Mac vs PC, still a dilemma after 20 years!

by jattas In reply to Buy a Mac ... and much mo ...

I have used Macs, since the infamous 1984. Being in the Publishing business, it has always been perceived that Macs do graphics better. Perhaps they do. Although today, the price performance ratio of a PC vs Mac, still points to PC. I read with interest the now well established fact that Apple's business model for the Mac, has always been very egotistic. A high performing Mac, will cost you 4 times what a high performing PC will cost you today! Check it out. Apple has always been a proponent of bait and switch. Yes you can buy a cheap Mac, but if you want to run important business or production software, you need a well equipt Mac. I have always considered the Mac to be a machine for the people who need graphics for their job, but don't want to learn computers. To this degree the Mac is superior, no doubt about it.
I used to sell Macs, as well as PC's in the publishing industry. Any program you run on any version OS will run faster on a PC with the correct equipment list.
Finally, I can never forget when Apple would ship it's standard models, with too little memory, and the cost of buying memory from them was prohibitive. So we all bought generic memory, when they changed over to generic memory. But then Apple voided your warranty if your Mac, had more memory than the sales slip indicated. This is part of the Apple mentality. If you can live with it, buy a Mac.

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Slight Correction

by umerckel In reply to Mac vs PC, still a dilemm ...

As a present day certified Mac tech and also someone
who's used them since 1984, I have to correct you on one
point.

The only time Apple would "Void" a warranty for installing
memory is if you were installing it yourself in a slot you're
not ment to get into as a user. Even then, the only
example that comes to mind is the iMac G4 (LCD Display)
due to the fact that to get access to the non-customer
installable slot you needed to break the thermal paste seal
between the base and the processor which can cause your
system to overheat.

Now while I might not agree with some of the other things
you say, I just wanted to correct that one fact as you are
allowed and expected to have your own opinion... So
please don't take this as "bashing" it's just a slight
correction :)

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Exactly what I am talking about!

by jattas In reply to Slight Correction

In reply to Umerckel:
You just nailed it on the head. I know if you have been using Macs since 1984, you as I have had to open more than a few MACs and be totally disappointed in their serviceability. Your response about memory access, is exactly what makes the MAC a "black box" not serviceable or upgradeable by owner. It's one of my personal MAC critiques over the years. I again don't have a grudge or otherwise. My original statement was that we used them profusely in publishing. I just didn't like having to manage and repair/update them.

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Not all macs...

by JamesRL In reply to Exactly what I am talking ...

As an owner of the early Macs, yes the Mac 128/512/Plus etc were not easy to service. I bled a couple of times.


But the Mac II generation were frankly easier to service than PCs back then.

The Mac II CX/CI etc were easy. There was no need for any screws, though there was one case screw spot, we usually took it out. I was at a press launch for the LC, and watched a press guy assemble an LC from components sitting on a table in under a minute (Case, PSU, MB(ram already on), HD Floppy).

On the other hand when I got my new 9500 at work and went to install my RAM upgrade I was majorly pissed with poor design. There is no excuse in a full tower case to have to take out the HD carrier to install RAM.

I never had a course in repairing Macs, I learned on my own, though I did work with Apple trained techs, many of whom considered me an equal.

And I stopped messing with Macs 6 years ago, so I haven't worked with the Mac mini. But I would never advise someone to buy one with the idea of upgrading later in mind - they are an appliance and you should order whatever you need or anticipate you need.

James

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