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cloud computing, the future and everything...

joburgjoller
i am a lowly tech fixing boxes and basic networking stuff...i want to get more skills and have decided to do mcse 2003 to begin with and get me up to speed with exchange and server. but a friend of mine who is a coder says i am waisting my time as in a few years all those technologies will be lost to the cloud...this has left me in despair and i thought i would ask you guys your opinion on what you think the future will bring...and which direction i should turn...

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    Tony Hopkinson

    Mail will need administering, the only difference a cloud will make is the server won't be in a rack behind you.

    The cloud if it does take off will only change the job, it won't remove it.

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    rmaillet

    I've been in the tech business since 94 and throughout all of those years as a network and systems engineer, all the way up to my current position as a CEO the one thing that has always been present called by one name or another and in one form or another is the "Cloud". I'm really beginning to believe that every couple of years someone in the high-tech publication business that is highly respected creates new buzz words for the same or very similar technologies that we have been using for years. The purpose for doing it I don't know, I do however know the outcome it freaks out new comers and those that are not confident in their knowledge of the industry. I really wish it would stop someday so the confusion it causes within companies would stop. The confusion caused by the addition of these new buzz words for the same basic technology thats been in use for years can and does ad up to a substantial cost to many companies simply due to a lack of understanding buzz words. Tech writers should take care when creating new buzz words for technologies that have not changed all that much in principal for the past 15 years. I've been using the cloud every since I learned how to use Visio, my apologize to anyone I may have confused by using the cloud in my visio drawings....

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    Tony Hopkinson

    , recyling concepts through buzzwords is just other form of obsclescence so you can sell the same short lived crap again.

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    joburgjoller

    but tony, if i am currently looking after a server that has exchange. then the email is hosted by another company. doesnt that take the responsibility away from me? or will there be other issues once they are connected to exchange hosted by another crowd? is mcse still worth doing?

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    Tony Hopkinson

    yu won't have to go check the machine to see if some eejit turned it off, perhaps the switch instead.

    The providers, will essentially manage the hardware, I can't see them maintaing an army of people to add a new user, allow access to mail boxes or not, set up groups, quotas, rules for every customer they host though.
    If bthey do it will cost though, and either by transaction or a flat rate so some will lose out.

    The front end might change a bit, some aspects of the role will go, others will be needed, but the underlying concepts are sorted.

    All the cloud is, for this sort of thing is remote virtualisation, another form of outsourcing. If you were the "mail guy" at a business, how often would you need to actually touch the server itself?

    Like the other responder I've been in IT a long time (87 in my case). Take it from me it's just SSDTechnology.

    The fundamentals are pretty much fixed and to be halfway decent you need to understand them, so in that sense MCSE 2003 won't be wasted . If MCSE 2011 comes out soon, the recruiter boys might prefer you to get that though.

    Look at it this way, the admin roles could end up with the big providers. There could be less of them, but they will be maintaining many servers, so they'll need to be competent, if you aren't qualified you haven't got a prayer.
    The cloud by definition means that they people who do the management of the service do not need to be in the place where it's hosted either.

    If it bothers you that much, beef up the networking side, it's strong now, and it it will become even more critical locally if the cloud takes off, because you need that connection all the way through to them.

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    VizCreations

    Cloud computing is computing on the Internet. You already have been computing on the Internet for a long time, in fact you are doing it now, but Cloud computing differences lie in the hardware usage an application is taking in. In your regular job you work on a physical computer which could be a workstation and it might not be utilized to full power. Cloud changes it, brings in virtualization and then makes you feel you are doing the same thing, but more effectively. So, there is nothing to worry about. Just go and do what you think like doing.

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    CharlieSpencer

    I agree with the others about cloud computing, but I don't know why you're working on MCSE 2003. That's a certification based on seven year old standards. If you want an MS certification, look for something newer that's oriented around Windows 7 and Server 2010.

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    _Papa_

    And I think it's also wise to learn what's out there now, and even the "legacy" stuff. You can't know too much, and besides, it's all a good foundation for understanding the newer technologies as they come out.

    And the "cloud", even if the arrangement is widely adopted, which I doubt, won't make significant difference in the knowledge required to maintain the client systems.

    Assume the cloud to be a big, remote hard drive with encrypted data flow, and the thing's a lot easier to picture.

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    Tony Hopkinson

    Mail will need administering, the only difference a cloud will make is the server won't be in a rack behind you.

    The cloud if it does take off will only change the job, it won't remove it.

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    rmaillet

    I've been in the tech business since 94 and throughout all of those years as a network and systems engineer, all the way up to my current position as a CEO the one thing that has always been present called by one name or another and in one form or another is the "Cloud". I'm really beginning to believe that every couple of years someone in the high-tech publication business that is highly respected creates new buzz words for the same or very similar technologies that we have been using for years. The purpose for doing it I don't know, I do however know the outcome it freaks out new comers and those that are not confident in their knowledge of the industry. I really wish it would stop someday so the confusion it causes within companies would stop. The confusion caused by the addition of these new buzz words for the same basic technology thats been in use for years can and does ad up to a substantial cost to many companies simply due to a lack of understanding buzz words. Tech writers should take care when creating new buzz words for technologies that have not changed all that much in principal for the past 15 years. I've been using the cloud every since I learned how to use Visio, my apologize to anyone I may have confused by using the cloud in my visio drawings....

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    Tony Hopkinson

    , recyling concepts through buzzwords is just other form of obsclescence so you can sell the same short lived crap again.

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    joburgjoller

    but tony, if i am currently looking after a server that has exchange. then the email is hosted by another company. doesnt that take the responsibility away from me? or will there be other issues once they are connected to exchange hosted by another crowd? is mcse still worth doing?

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    Tony Hopkinson

    yu won't have to go check the machine to see if some eejit turned it off, perhaps the switch instead.

    The providers, will essentially manage the hardware, I can't see them maintaing an army of people to add a new user, allow access to mail boxes or not, set up groups, quotas, rules for every customer they host though.
    If bthey do it will cost though, and either by transaction or a flat rate so some will lose out.

    The front end might change a bit, some aspects of the role will go, others will be needed, but the underlying concepts are sorted.

    All the cloud is, for this sort of thing is remote virtualisation, another form of outsourcing. If you were the "mail guy" at a business, how often would you need to actually touch the server itself?

    Like the other responder I've been in IT a long time (87 in my case). Take it from me it's just SSDTechnology.

    The fundamentals are pretty much fixed and to be halfway decent you need to understand them, so in that sense MCSE 2003 won't be wasted . If MCSE 2011 comes out soon, the recruiter boys might prefer you to get that though.

    Look at it this way, the admin roles could end up with the big providers. There could be less of them, but they will be maintaining many servers, so they'll need to be competent, if you aren't qualified you haven't got a prayer.
    The cloud by definition means that they people who do the management of the service do not need to be in the place where it's hosted either.

    If it bothers you that much, beef up the networking side, it's strong now, and it it will become even more critical locally if the cloud takes off, because you need that connection all the way through to them.

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    VizCreations

    Cloud computing is computing on the Internet. You already have been computing on the Internet for a long time, in fact you are doing it now, but Cloud computing differences lie in the hardware usage an application is taking in. In your regular job you work on a physical computer which could be a workstation and it might not be utilized to full power. Cloud changes it, brings in virtualization and then makes you feel you are doing the same thing, but more effectively. So, there is nothing to worry about. Just go and do what you think like doing.

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    CharlieSpencer

    I agree with the others about cloud computing, but I don't know why you're working on MCSE 2003. That's a certification based on seven year old standards. If you want an MS certification, look for something newer that's oriented around Windows 7 and Server 2010.

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    _Papa_

    And I think it's also wise to learn what's out there now, and even the "legacy" stuff. You can't know too much, and besides, it's all a good foundation for understanding the newer technologies as they come out.

    And the "cloud", even if the arrangement is widely adopted, which I doubt, won't make significant difference in the knowledge required to maintain the client systems.

    Assume the cloud to be a big, remote hard drive with encrypted data flow, and the thing's a lot easier to picture.