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I've been looking for a new job and came across this company "Tech Pros Group" that says they'll train you for 3 months and you'll walk out with 3 Cisco and 4 MCSE certifications and they'll place you in a paid internship for a year.

Has anyone heard about this company? They're located in California, so maybe someone on that coast (I'm in Florida) has worked with them or got some dirt on them?

Thanks

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Sounds Fishy

by BFilmFan In reply to Company info?

I'd check with the Better Business Bureau in whatever city they are located in.

Frankly 7 certifications in 3 months sounds massively fishy.

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Glad to see othes questioning this

by vwgti94 In reply to Sounds Fishy

I too received an email from Peter Frivadi with the attached pdf application file.
- The fishy part - When I used my debit card for the $95 processing fee they had a problem with reading one of my account numbers and a women contacted me asking me to read my credit card # to her. She contacted my on my cell phone and I was able to obtain her # (626-367-2232).. after I got off the phone with her I was a little suspicious so I waited an hour and called back the number, when the person picked up the phone it was very unprofessional; rather then getting a normal business greeting like "hello this is so and so from the tech pro group" I got a "hello" and when I asked if this was the application processing center for the tech-pro group she was like "umm yes yes this is" it was a little fishy.
I sent an email back to Peter Frivadi asking him if my application had been processed and instead of him responding back to me a women replied to my email stating that my application had been process and the paper work would be given to Peter Frivadi by the end of the day.
Peter Frivadi did contact me that evening to schedule my phone interview. When we spoke he asked he if I was aware of the cost of the 3 months of training camp. I told him that from reading the application I know that there are exams and lab fees that are my responsibility to pay but I was not aware of the cost of them. When he broke down the cost of everything I was a bit shocked.
The cost he gave me is the same as what has been mention in the pervious emails around $2,475 not including the lodging or exams fees. When I talked to him about finical aid he was very quick to mention that they are not a "School" and therefore do not provide a finical aid program.
There are 20 exams he told me that cost $125 each and the lodge $29 a day, so with everything it roughly comes out to be about $7,500. I did read that the education is about 25,000 which will be paid back to them once you land a job ( ? of your fist month paycheck and then 19.95% for a year). Doing some quick math - let say that you get placed in a job making 65,000 a year .. They receive $2,700 from your first month ( my numbers do not included taxes) after that 19.95% around $13,000... So to add up everything 2,700 + 13,000 and the cost of the camp 7,500 = 23,200 (they do say the program cost about 25k - however I'm not sure if this is irrelevant or just my way of justify the cost of everything).

My only lead to investigating this company is to come up with some specific questions to ask Mr. Frivadi or try to contact Microsoft and find out if heard of this company and if they are affiliated with them in anyway. Once again it seems fishy that he can not give any references and if this is not a scam if does seem like something I would be interested in just would like more background info.. If anyone knows more please let me know .. Thanks ( my email vwgti94@aol.com)

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Official Response from Tech Pros Group

by stevecopeland In reply to Glad to see othes questio ...

THIS POSTING WAS UPDATED AS OF 8/01/2007

I was recently notified that there was a discussion thread on Tech Republic regarding Tech Pros Group by various techies with questions regarding the validity of their internship service. Upon reading the discussion thread, I was quite impressed with the questions that are being asked and fully understand the legitimate concerns some techies might have about Tech Pros Group and its internships.

This discussion thread is of direct interest to me on both a personal and professional level. As you can see from my profile, I have been a member of Tech Republic for approximately 7 years and have enjoyed the camaraderie of interacting with other Tech professionals. What you may not know is that I also happened to work at Tech Pros Group.
As a fellow Tech Republic member and as the Vice President of Business Relations at Tech Pros Group, I want to make sure that fellow Tech Republic members have accurate information regarding the various internships being offered by Tech Pros Group.

We at Tech Pros Group take great pride in the internships we offer. The internship commitment is both serious and long term by both the individual and Tech Pros Group. For this reason, it is extremely important that any prospective candidate who desires to apply for the program do so only after fully understanding what is involved and is prepared to make the necessary sacrifices to be successful in the internship program.

As many of the other Tech Republic members have already stated, you should never jump into such a serious commitment until you have done your homework. If you?re really serious about making a long term commitment, take the time to check us out. In fact, I would encourage all prospective candidates to visit us in California or at least send a friend or relative to visit. Historically, over 90% of candidates who visit us in person apply for the internship. For individuals who cannot make the trip to Irvine, California, please feel free to contact me with any questions you may have. I have listed my cell phone number along with my e-mail address on my profile. Feel free to contact me with any qualitative questions you may have regarding the internship programs.

On the flip side, you shouldn?t assume that something is a scam just because its sounds like a great opportunity. Please think about the industry you are choosing to join. Our industry is full of stories that may sound unrealistic but are completely true. Individuals starting multibillion dollar companies out of their garage (Apple) and dormitories (Dell) or unemployed grad students becoming multibillionaires in just 10 years (cofounders of Google are worth over 20 billion dollars each).

On a smaller scale, there are countless individuals with less than 5 years of experience making over $100,000 per year while many individuals with over 20 years of proven experience are unemployed or struggling to make $60,000 per year. What?s the difference between the two groups? One of the key differences is being at the right place at the right time with the right knowledge, experience and certifications. Individuals with knowledge and certifications relating to in-demand large scale enterprise technologies will command higher wages than individuals with knowledge and certifications in outdated technologies and/or technologies for smaller scales (small businesses). A good example is that a level 1 Cisco Engineer with less than 3 years of experience will earn twice as much wages than a senior PC technician with over 20 years of experience.

Secondly, good work experience has nothing to do with the number of years and has everything to do with what you did during those years. In fact, 1 year as a network engineer working for a good consulting company will give you more experience than 5 years as a network administrator working for 1 company. The network engineer during his/her 1 year work experience will have handled over 20 complex networks. Responsibilities the engineer would have handled would encompass a variety of technologies (NOS, messaging, enterprise backup, firewall, routers, switches, etc.) and include various levels on responsibilities from design, installation, configuration, administration, troubleshooting, and general break/fix. The network administrator working for 1 company will only have been exposed to just 1 network. In addition most of his/her days will be spent handling a series of recurring administration tasks. The more complex responsibilities such as full scale implementations and troubleshooting are usually outsourced to consulting companies or are only handled on rare occasions.

Tech Pros Group offers a comprehensive LAN/WAN engineer internship that includes 18 weeks of remote enterprise LAN/WAN training (valued at $12,000 ? based on standard remote training rates for enterprise LAN/WAN training) and attendance at a 7 day LAN/WAN engineer camp ($7,995 ? based on boot camp style enterprise LAN/WAN training rates -visit www.globalknowledge.com or www.ascolta.com to verify rates) plus a 1 year paid internship ($30,000 escalating up to $72,000) as a LAN/WAN engineer working for a quality Microsoft/Cisco partner. During the 1 year, you will acquire concentrated experience to include handling a minimum of 20 LAN/WAN networks on a wide variety of technologies and responsibilities. Upon completion of the 1 year internship, you should qualify for positions making a minimum of $65,000 to over $95,000 per year.

So What Are The Considerations?

1. Highly competitive 2 stage application process ? All qualified candidates who are accepted for stage 1 will receive 6 weeks of remote LAN/WAN training that is designed to give you foundation in LAN/WAN technologies. During your 6 week training period, you will be assessed on your technical skills. Only the top 30% of the individuals accepted during this stage will be allowed to interview for stage 2. If you are in the top 30%, you qualify to apply for stage two of the LAN/WAN engineer internship. Approximately 35% of the candidates who apply for stage 2 are accepted. Upon acceptance you receive 12 additional weeks of remote training culminating in a 7 day LAN/WAN engineer camp held at our corporate facility in Irvine, Ca.
2. Very demanding internship ? The internship is an engineer level internship with a consulting company that provides enterprise level LAN/WAN services to professional and large scale companies. A typical intern will be working 50 to 60 hours per week to include evenings and weekends. All candidates will be given 1 month to ramp up in their position. Beginning the 2nd month, all candidates will be expected to handle a limited amount of engineering responsibilities on their own. Within 3 months, all candidates will be expected to handle the full range of responsibilities that are expected of a LAN/WAN engineer.
3. Hard Costs ? Application, Registration and Exam Fees ? All training costs of over $20,000 are included for FREE as a benefit of the internship. This includes all materials, lodging and meals during the 1 week camp. Please note that there is an application fee of $95 (fully refunded if you are not accepted) plus registration fees of $295. Also note that you will be responsible for exam fees. These exam fees are hard costs and are paid directly to the testing providers including Microsoft and Cisco. There is approximately $2,000 in exam fees paid throughout the 18 week training process.

Additional Clarifications based on false information from other Postings on Tech Republic:

1. Do I have to attend a 3 month camp and pay materials and lodging fees of $5,000? ? Tech Pros Group has replaced the 3 month camp with 18 weeks of remote training and a 1 week camp. In addition, materials and lodging fees are now included as a benefit of the internship. You will not have to pay for these fees.
2. Do I have to pay a percentage of my future income after the internship? ? Previously, all candidates who successfully completed the 1 year internship would also be required to pay a 19.95% of their future income for 1 year. This policy has been eliminated. IF YOU SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETE THE 1 YEAR INTERNSHIP, YOUR OBLIGATION WITH TECH PROS GROUP IS FULLFILLED.
3. Do I have to sign a contract that requires me to pay $25,000? ? All candidates who are initially accepted will receive 6 weeks of remote training. During this period, there are no employment or professional services contracts that you will be required to sign. The purpose of this 6 week period is for both you and Tech Pros Group to get to know each other. At any time during this period, you can part ways with Tech Pros Group with no obligations. If you desire to continue on to stage 2 of the LAN/WAN engineer internship, you will go through an extensive interview process including a full background check. If you pass and are fully accepted, you will be offered a professional relations contract (Internship). This is a binding contract that commits you to work for us for 1 year. In return, Tech Pros Group invests over $20,000 in training. If you follow through on the 1 year internship, there are no additional obligations. If you receive our training and decline our internship, you will be expected to pay for the training investment we made in you.
4. Is Tech Pros Group registered with the BPPVE? ? The BPPVE was the state governing body for vocational schools for the State of California. This agency no longer exists as of June 30, 2007 due to the fact its regulations were outdated and confusing. Prior to June 30, 2007, all vocational schools were required to register with the BPPVE. Tech Pros Group is not a school and therefore was not required to register with the BPPVE.

I want to thank the other IT veterans of Tech Republic for their qualitative input. I?m sure the many individuals new to information technology appreciate your comments and input. If you would like more information about our company, please feel free to contact me via phone or e-mail. I look forward to your correspondence.

For more information regarding the LAN/WAN engineer internship click the following link: http://www.techprosgroup.com/Forms/LANWAN_Engineer_Internship_Disclosure.pdf

Steve Copeland

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Tech Pros Fraud Exposed

by stevecopeland In reply to Official Response from Te ...

THIS POST WAS UPDATED AS OF NOVEMBER 13, 2007

I?m writing this post in response to the posting that was recently posted above. My response is a personal response as a long time member of Tech Republic and a fellow information technology professional. Please note that I am a Director working at Tech Pros Group. Also note that this is not an official response from Tech Pros Group but a personal response as stated earlier. If you are wondering why Tech Pros Group is not officially responding to this posts; it is due to the ridiculous/extreme nature of the posts. If you would like a more thorough understanding of Tech Pros Group, the services it offers along with facts regarding the allegations; give us a call or visit our website.

In regards to the post made above, I am both shocked and saddened as to the length in which certain individuals will lie, deceive and/or mislead good techies regarding the services Tech Pros Group offers. These individuals have made statements that are either completely false or at least misleading regarding Tech Pros Group. If one were to take the time to read the various posting made by these individuals on this site along with other sites referenced, an intelligent individual will realize how passionately biased and outright false the information being displayed are. I based my observation on personal knowledge on how incorrect the information. Unfortunately for individuals who are trying to determine whether Tech Pros Group is a ?real? organization with real services. It may be difficult to determine how valid or invalid the information is.

As an experience reader of internet blogs and posting, let me provide some suggestions:

1. Be careful of individuals who use ?anonymous? or pseudo names to express ?facts?- The use of anonymous or pseudo names is common in the blog/posting world. It allows individuals to express their opinions and observations while maintaining privacy. This allows individuals who may not normally express their view to express them more freely. Generally, this is very positive and is invaluable to the freedom of speech that all Americans cherish. One of the best parts of being a member of Tech Republic is the open forums they offer. Unfortunately, some individuals with a personal agenda use this as a tool/weapon to push their own biased agenda. These individuals have no interest in freedom of speech, helping others, for even the truth. They?re use of one pseudo/anonymous names is not only limited to one name but many. They will take factual information and twist it to such a level that the factual information presents an opposite conclusion. Others will just outright lie, knowing that many decent individuals will not take the time to verify those lies. For this reason, always verify the logic of any statements made on the internet and if you plan to make an important life decision, verify those statements by talking to the opposing parties and third party sources.

2. Business ?terrorists? - After reading a particular blog on the Internet, I realized why I was so upset about what is being said. As Americans, we are extremely concerned about passionate, cause oriented, extremist. These are individuals who proactively commit extreme acts that they would normally never do but will do because it?s for a ?cause?. On an international level, this includes damaging property, hurting and even killing innocent individuals. In regards to the internet and the business world, it can include making statement that can hurt or ?kill? a business. Examples include mentioning to people that a particular restaurant is infested with bugs or a teacher is a pedophile or a doctor is working without a license. These individuals will make statements that they know will receive a reaction to hurt or kill their target. What is amazing is the type of individuals who take these actions. One would think that these are individuals who truly have been wronged by the organization they are attacking. In many cases, it?s just the opposite. They can easily be individuals who owe money to the company they are attacking and are trying to walk away from their obligations. Even worse are individuals who are actually competition to the particular organization that is being attacked and are using the first group to eliminate their competition. Along with these two groups are individuals who are just looking for a cause and latch on to one to fulfill their own unresolved personal issues. These individuals have no association with the organization and are not even sure of the validity of the accusations but jump in because they want to be part of something. To these individuals, eliminating the target is just a game and they will use whatever method possible. The final group is individuals who truly feel that they have been wronged by an organization. Their personal stories range from true experiences to exaggerations of real experiences (unfortunately even they start to believe their own exaggerations) to magnify the situation. The problem with some members of this group is that even if the business entities they are not happy with make adjustments to correct the problem, they will never acknowledge the positive changes and assume just the worse. For all these reasons, the information provided by these individuals will not represent the current state of the target business.

3. Be careful of moderated blogs ? The accuracy and quality of moderated blogs are as good as the moderator. Some of the best blogs in regards to insightful information about a company, service or situations are moderated. On the other hand, moderated blogs can have some of the most biased inaccurate information you can find. The reason for this is that the moderator controls the comments that people are allowed to post. These results in a blog that promotes a specific agenda and all comments that are on the blog reinforce that agenda. The worse part about this situation is if you try to post comments that are contrary to the moderator agenda, it will either never get posted or get posted in a manner that negates your contrary posting. To determine the quality of the moderator, one should ALWAYS read the other blogs that the moderator has. That will give insight into the type of person the moderator is.

If you are truly serious about considering the services offered by Tech Pros Group and just want to ensure that the services are real, take the time to do full research. Don?t just read some biased blogs. Visit our website www.techprosgroup.com or give us a call.

Any serious candidate wanting to contact me directly can reach me at scopeland@techprosgroup.com for call me direct at 949-701-8668

Take care and good luck in your information technology career.


Sincerely,

Steve Copeland

Here are some other posts I made that relates to Tech Pros Group and the LAN/WAN engineer internship


Explanation as to Why There Are Negative Postings On This Thread
http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=188794&messageID=2355985

Post Clarifying the LAN/WAN Engineer Internship
http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=188794&messageID=2036944

General Response To Post Comments
http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=188794&messageID=2360542

Cisco/Microsoft Partner Information
http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=188794&messageID=2357779

Tech Pros Group?s Better Business Bureau Rating
http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=188794&messageID=2360544

Response to as to Whether this Discussion Thread Should Exist
http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=188794&messageID=2357075

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Copeland is at his last breath...

by alameh In reply to Tech Pros Fraud Exposed

Clean it up Copeland; this is what you do best. Notice that you are the only one standing up for this company. Why is that? Let me guess, maybe because they pay you? I know, I know, under this entry miraculously a student will come forward stating how this company has helped them. How could you defend a company that has hurt so many people? The reason people post anonymously is because we have been manipulated and harassed to the point that students are scared to give real information, because we have been threatened with a lawsuit, are manipulated into signing contracts that prohibit us from giving our honest opinion about this company (I am sure Mark Tran will vouch for me, oh, I forgot, Mark can no longer say anything about the company because he signed a confidentiality agreement, and was threatened with a lawsuit and forced to take his blog down).
This company is taking money from people who are already struggling, but are trying to better themselves by getting an education so that they don?t have to lie, cheat, still, or take advantage of other people to earn a living. Maybe the predator should look to the pray for a lesson on morals and how to treat your fellow human beings. I only wish I had someone to warn me before I sunk all my money into this school, training program, what ever. I hope this helps someone make the best decision for his or her future.
If there is no investigation by the Orange County District Attorney (DA), there should be and will be. No one is getting away from this.
This is not an attack this is merely the truth.

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I have never had my point proven so quickly

by stevecopeland In reply to Copeland is at his last b ...

The Truth (64 of 64)
Clean it up Copeland; this is what you do best. Notice that you are the only one standing up for this company. Why is that? Let me guess, maybe because they pay you? I know, I know, under this entry miraculously a student will come forward stating how this company has helped them. How could you defend a company that has hurt so many people? The reason people post anonymously is because we have been manipulated and harassed to the point that students are scared to give real information, because we have been threatened with a lawsuit, are manipulated into signing contracts that prohibit us from giving our honest opinion about this company (I am sure Mark Tran will vouch for me, oh, I forgot, Mark can no longer say anything about the company because he signed a confidentiality agreement, and was threatened with a lawsuit and forced to take his blog down).
This company is taking money from people who are already struggling, but are trying to better themselves by getting an education so that they don?t have to lie, cheat, still, or take advantage of other people to earn a living. Maybe the predator should look to the pray for a lesson on morals and how to treat your fellow human beings. I only wish I had someone to warn me before I sunk all my money into this school, training program, what ever. I hope this helps someone make the best decision for his or her future.
If there is no investigation by the Orange County District Attorney (DA), there should be and will be. No one is getting away from this.
This is not an attack this is merely the truth.

Post edited on 09/30/06

Posted by: joecu123@... Date: 09/30/06

joecu123@...
Networking / LAN Administration
No location specified
Member since: September 2006


Why so defensive, Steve? (54 of 64)
Clean it up Copeland; this is what you do best. Notice that you are the only one standing up for this company. Why is that? Let me guess, maybe because they pay you? I know, I know, under this entry miraculously a student will come forward stating how this company has helped them. How could you defend a company that has hurt so many people? The reason people post anonymously is because we have been manipulated and harassed to the point that students are scared to give real information, because we have been threatened with a lawsuit, are manipulated into signing contracts that prohibit us from giving our honest opinion about this company (I am sure Mark Tran will vouch for me, oh, I forgot, Mark can no longer say anything about the company because he signed a confidentiality agreement, and was threatened with a lawsuit and forced to take his blog down).
This company is taking money from people who are already struggling, but are trying to better themselves by getting an education so that they don?t have to lie, cheat, still, or take advantage of other people to earn a living. Maybe the predator should look to the pray for a lesson on morals and how to treat your fellow human beings. I only wish I had someone to warn me before I sunk all my money into this school, training program, what ever. I hope this helps someone make the best decision for his or her future.
If there is no investigation by the Orange County District Attorney (DA), there should be and will be. No one is getting away from this.
This is not an attack this is merely the truth.


Posted by: techdeck@... Date: 09/30/06

techdeck@...
Database Administration
Nowhere, MO
Member since: January 2005

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point not proved

by alameh In reply to I have never had my point ...

i was too lazy to type, but want to bring to everyone's attention of some other point of view.

ever notice, steve copeland is the only person that would spew propaganda about his company.

make you wonder why.

if a company has a positive reputation, then stuff like this would never be written.

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TechDeck: That's logically fallacious.

by deepsand In reply to I have never had my point ...

You point here seems to be that one who protests his innocence is, by definition, guilty.

If one uses the same logic, it can be said that one who accuses is therefore a liar.

Unless and until you have facts, I would suggest that you hold your tongue; and then, if you speak, offer facts, and only facts.

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This is called

by stevecopeland In reply to Copeland is at his last b ...

Deflecting the issue and Techdeck, Joecu123 or whoever you want to call yourself this evening, you are good at it.

i was too lazy to type, but want to bring to everyone's attention of some other point of view.

This is your main defense for pointing out and making sure you posted everywhere I had posted.

You point me out as the only person defending my company.

You have a point there and if you read the site you so have so eagerly promoted. Do you wonder why?
My Character has been slain; lies told about me, I have been libeled.
I don?t have too many people I would want to subject to the kind of venomous and personal attacks you have at the most participated in and at the least promoted.
Is my company perfect?
No I am not naive enough to think any company is perfect.
Is my company good?
Yes it has helped a lot of people. It is not for everyone. It wasn?t meant to be.
So TechDeck, I have to stand up and say something because anytime someone has defended it they have fallen under the same attacks aimed at me.


If you are so for a different point of view as you claim, you should be asking for the positive posts. You instead slam and then retreat back to your cyber hideaway of anonymity or deny that you posted it.
If you have no vested interest in it why would you call me Steve?

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former student

by joecu123 In reply to This is called

You know, when you are the front man for a company that is taking advantage of innocent people, what do you expect, cookies and roses? I am not the same person as TechDeck, although I do appreciate the fact that he/she understands what is going on and is on my side. I am indeed a former student. I know about the candy bowl, the refrigerator that is only for sodas, and oh, I almost forgot, the none technical work day (nothing more then free manual labor from the students. They have the current student setting up apartments for the next group of victims, I mean students. ). I also know who you are. I do not have anything against you personally, but if you choose to be the spokes person for a company that is screwing people over then what do you expect, kind words and a smile? I cannot just be quiet and let someone else go through what I have been though. If you don?t want the negative attention you are getting, then maybe you should just back off. If the negative things that are being said about the company that you represent are not true, then you have nothing to worry about, but unfortunately you and I both know that they are, that is why you are so relentless in your attempts to defend it. This is the truth.

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