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By ProtiusX ·
Here is an article posted on Word Net Daily:

?The American Civil Liberties Union, the misnamed, extremist persecutors of the Boy Scouts of America, claims to be fighting to end taxpayer support of religious groups.
That was the excuse the ACLU used when it targeted the Boy Scouts use of military bases in a case in which the Pentagon caved into the neo-Talibanists of secular humanism.
But the dirty little secret the ACLU doesn't want you to know is that it, too, received significant funding of its jihad against Judaism, Christianity and the monotheistic roots of Western Civilization from the federal, state and local governments.
And now that we know how easily government capitulates to the threat of lawsuits, it's time for someone to start suing over taxpayer support of this degenerate group of God-hating perverts.
It would be that easy to shut off a major funding source to the ACLU ? your hard-earned tax dollars.
There are several ways Congress could do this very easily, with minor changes in the law. Since so many members of Congress ? nearly all of them are on record in opposing the Defense Department's appeasement of the ACLU, maybe one of these brave souls should move to change the civil-rights statute that permits the ACLU from collecting attorney fees from governments the organization takes to court.
CourtZero.org, a website dedicated to stemming judicial activism, is petitioning Congress to change 42 U.S.C., Section 1988, of the United States Code that permits judges to award attorney fees to plaintiffs in civil-rights cases brought against local governments, thereby putting the taxpayers on the hook and oftentimes funneling public money to the ACLU. Simply changing the law so the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment would not apply could deprive the ACLU of millions of taxpayer dollars.
For instance, when the ACLU takes a city to court claiming a Christmas display violates the Establishment Clause, if the municipality loses, the city's taxpayers are often forced to pay ACLU attorneys. This law now creates an incentive for the ACLU to file ever more challenges of this kind. Do you want to know why the ACLU lawyers file these ridiculous lawsuits by the dozens? Because they get paid to do it ? by you.
Another way to take the financial incentive out of these suits legislatively is by passing a law that cuts back the standing of the ability to bring Establishment Clause claims. Currently, anyone who is offended by what they see, a Ten Commandments display, a manger scene, a Christmas tree or a menorah, can bring suit.
Nowhere else in litigation is it so easy to make a claim. In most other areas of the law, you need to have a personal, direct injury.
The American Legion is calling on Congress to eliminate the financial incentives for the ACLU in Establishment Clause cases. It's about time we get behind this effort.
It's time to shut off the money supply to the ACLU. This is the first step to destroying the evil organization ? putting a stake through its heart.
Why should the people of the United States, through their Congress, be giving away millions of dollars to the ACLU so that the twisted legal minds of that organization can subvert our laws and impose their agenda on the rest of us?
We can give this dangerously seditious group no quarter any longer. The ACLU can not be tolerated. It is a hate group that supports the North American Man-Boy Love Association, an organized band of pedophiles and child rapists, while attacking the Boy Scouts.
It's time to demand every member of Congress choose sides ? the ACLU or the Boy Scouts.?

Source: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41691

Now to me this makes perfect sense. I have been saying this for years. These people are despicable degenerates whose sole purpose in life is to degrade the moral fabric of this country. You can?t have a sculpture of the Ten Commandments in a court room but pedophilia is an acceptable life style for them. What a bunch of sickos!

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ACLU protects all, whether we like it or not..

by mlandis In reply to Down with the ACLU

We all disagree with the ACLU from time to time, but they do stand up for Civil Liberties - without them, who knows what this country would be.

The Boy Scouts have enjoyed many a special privelege denied to other groups, and have violated people's rights themselves.

This link turns up over 30 examples:

http://search.aclu.org/AdvancedSearchResults.cfm

Maureen

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Boy Scouts violating peoples rights?!?!?!

by ProtiusX In reply to ACLU protects all, whethe ...

What are you talking about? These are boy scouts for heavens sake! Whose rights have they infringed upon? The link you supplied takes one to the ACLU website. That is their own propaganda. That is like trying to get an objective opinion from a political party?s web site.

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The Boy Scouts have NOT violated peoples' rights themselves

by maxwell edison In reply to ACLU protects all, whethe ...

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The Boy Scouts is a private organization. And as such, they have a right to be an inclusive group. The Boy Scouts does not force their values on others, and people should not have the right to force their values - or lack thereof - on them. The Boy Scouts does not violate the rights of others, but people sure do try to violate the rights of the Boy Scouts.

The Boy Scouts does a world of good for a lot of boys, and to use them as a way to force political agendas on society is wrong.

It makes me want to throw-up when I see people make excuses for the likes of gang members, thugs, graffiti hoodlums, and so on, but they want to pick-on the boys who want to grow up with a sense of doing the right thing.

What about the Boy Scouts' civil liberties? They don't infringe on the civil liberties of others. Why do people want to infringe on the civil liberties of the scouts?

Leave the Boy Scouts alone. It's obvious that you know nothing about them.

And do you know what else? When I see a resume with the achievement of Eagle Scout listed, it goes to the top of my stack.

The Boy Scout Oath:

On my honor I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country
and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake, and morally straight.

The Scout Law:

A Scout is:

TRUSTWORTHY
A Scout tells the truth. He keeps his promises. Honesty is part of his code of conduct. People can depend on him.

LOYAL
A Scout is true to his family, Scout leaders, friends, school, and nation.

HELPFUL
A Scout is concerned about other people. He does things willingly for others without pay or reward.

FRIENDLY
A Scout is a friend to all. He is a brother to other Scouts. He seeks to understand others. He respects those with ideas and customs other than his own.

COURTEOUS
A Scout is polite to everyone regardless of age or position. He knows good manners make it easier for people to get along together.

KIND
A Scout understands there is strength in being gentle. He treats others as he wants to be treated. He does not hurt or kill harmless things without reason.

OBEDIENT
A Scout follows the rules of his family, school, and troop. He obeys the laws of his community and country. If he thinks these rules and laws are unfair, he tries to have them changed in an orderly manner rather than disobey them.

CHEERFUL
A Scout looks for the bright side of things. He cheerfully does tasks that come his way. He tries to make others happy.

THRIFTY
A Scout works to pay his way and to help others. He saves for unforeseen needs. He protects and conserves natural resources. He carefully uses time and property.

BRAVE
A Scout can face danger even if he is afraid. He has the courage to stand for what he thinks is right even if others laugh at or threaten him.

CLEAN
A Scout keeps his body and mind fit and clean. He goes around with those who believe in living by these same ideals. He helps keep his home and community clean.

REVERENT
A Scout is reverent toward God. He is faithful in his religious duties. He respects the beliefs of others.

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What is wrong with this picture?

by mlandis In reply to The Boy Scouts have NOT v ...

The scouts are, as you say, a prvate group that do, have done, and will continue to do much good.

At issue is FUNDING.

Any entity accepting public funding accepts it under certain terms and conditions - and the private organization by public funding becomes subject to those requirements.

I can't argue Boy Scouts, because I don't know enough about the entire situation -

But I can argue Hill Burton.

Maureen

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I think we agree here

by ProtiusX In reply to What is wrong with this p ...

The ACLU is being funded with my tax dollars to bring suit against the very institutions that I hold dear and sacred. I advocate withdrawing their Federal funding and removing their incentive to bring these frivolous law suites against the government. What?s more, I believe that any lawyer found to bring a civil suite without merit should be fined and imprisoned. If your waiting for the HAHA it?s not coming. I am serious as a heart attack. What we need are some Judges who will grow some courage and throw these rascals in prison and let them reap the harvest they so diligently planted for so many years.

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You're missing the issue

by TheChas In reply to I think we agree here

The issue is not that the Boy Scouts have to become a fully inclusive, or even change.

The issue is that government entities must not give special privileges to selected groups without offering the same options to every private group.

If the only way to prevent my tax dollars from being used to help satanic and other fringe groups is to not allow the Boy Scouts to be sponsored by a military base, so be it.

If we don't allow and respect everyone's views, we have already lost the battle with terrorism.

Much as I respect the Scouts and other service organizations, allowing a military base to sponger a troop is not right.

You may not agree with every issue they take up, (I don't) but, we need the ACLU to protect our personal rights.

Chas

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Military Base "sponsorship" of Boy Scout troops.

by maxwell edison In reply to You're missing the issue

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Generally speaking, a local Boy Scout troop is just that - a local troop, with local volunteers, providing local community service, providing guidance and leadership examples to local boys. They meet in local schools and churches, and they are counseled by local business and community leaders.

The military does not "support" a troop, per se, by providing funding. All they might do is provide a building to meet in or some land to camp on. An Army base in Virginia, for examlpe, provides the location for the National Scout Jamboree held every four years.

And many military bases are, themselves, local communities with family housing and such. So if a military base provides support by allowing the use of their facilities, it's no different than any other community of families wanting to provide an alternative to the self-destructive path all too many boys seem to find.

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Miscellany

by mlandis In reply to Military Base "sponsorshi ...

The instance of space and buildings, while not direct funding is indirect value given.

Providing a building to meet for free; another group would pay a rent is the issue. It is unlikely that another group would be likely to be welcome on any military base - that is preference. Why the BSA, and why not another group?

This link will bring you to a site that claims there has been Federal monies directly given.

http://marylandatheists.com/act_cur_boyscouts.htm

You asked why do I even mention Hill-Burton. I am more familiar with how the federal funds are acquired and the limitations placed on the Hospital or health care facilities using those funds. There is always a trade-off of some sort in any grant or funding, government or private.

Maureen

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Understand the line

by TheChas In reply to Military Base "sponsorshi ...

Max,

I do understand the difference between direct financial support and providing a place to meet.

Still, providing a place to meet is providing support to the organization.

I don't know all of the details, but the church that sponsored a BSA troop that I had some fringe involvement with kicked the Scouts out. As I understood things at the time, part of the reason was that other groups were requesting similar access. Since the church did not want to allow any additional groups, it decided to eliminate all groups that were not entirely part of the congregation.

The Salvation Army is running out of places for their kettles, as more and more retailers have decided it is too much of an issue to deal with the other groups requesting access.

As more and more places restrict access to individuals, we will see increased battles for equal treatment.

I see the root problem as 2 things:

Building owners can no longer afford the high cost of liability insurance that comes with allowing groups to use the building.

The continued breakdown of the "community". and commercialization of meeting places.

Chas

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Chas - No, you don't understand

by maxwell edison In reply to Military Base "sponsorshi ...

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No Chas, I don't think you understand.

With all due respect, and at the risk of offending you, I believe you are thinking like an aloof and elitist "goody-two-shoes" who wants to maintain an appearance of being "fair", and wants to come across as being "all-inclusive", but in the end you are just trying to force other people or other groups to conform to your notions of what you believe to be the right way of thinking. And you're not being consistent in your thinking either. If you want to call it "an exception" to allow the Boy Scouts to use public facilities, then so be it. Call it an exception. But if you don't want to make an exception for the Boy Scouts, then you must not make an exception for anyone for anything. (See my other messages, so I don't have to repeat myself.)

You really need to quit listening to NPR. They've brain-washed your better judgement.

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