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Found one good reason to be Certified

By Mattster67 ·
My new employer actually gives you more money for Certs (or a degree for that matter). Had I been certified I would be making 20% more than that I make now. So if you ask yourself does certification pay off, I would say yes but not just in the IT world because my job is non IT now.

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by The Admiral In reply to Found one good reason to ...

Several of the employers including myself do not offer any more money for certifications IF there is not AMPLE experience in the field.

If you are a HS drop out with Certifications, I probably won't hire you in the first place.

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by The Admiral In reply to Found one good reason to ...

Several of the employers including myself do not offer any more money for certifications IF there is not AMPLE experience in the field.

If you are a HS drop out with Certifications, I probably won't hire you in the first place.

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That's how it was for me.

by TomSal In reply to

I was a Microsoft Network Admin for years before I had even one single cert. Then I got my MCSE on my own (paid for by me, btw). After I got my cert I got the biggest single raise I ever got in the near 10 year history with my company.

Looking back now, you know to be honest, most of the stuff I do -- is not drawn from my MCSE study work, its stuff I knew before MCSE and stuff I taught myself over the years.

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by ramstryke In reply to That's how it was for me.

I hear that.. I'm working my certs little by little but have been in the job for over 5 yrs.. A lot of my work has been helped by my experience vs the stuff you study for certs....

How employers hire and pay is an entirely different story.

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High School Drop Out

by proline_1 In reply to

Your the type of person that hires illegal immigrants as gardeners and nanny's. I dropped out in 1986 and have many certs,and yea your right about it just being paper but how are people supposed to get experience unless given a chance,people make mistakes and yes some do learn from them.I am glad the first person to give me a chance wasn't you,and btw i have been a sucessful admin for ten years now thanks to someone who didnt live in a box. MCSE,MCDBA,CCDP,CCSP among other lower level certs
Have a nice day

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Me too but no certs

by Oz_Media In reply to High School Drop Out

I droopped out when my girfriend had a kid. I have held upper management positions, made top salaries, passed many certified pros by on my way up the ladder and have never had an issue with certs.

I also don't APPLY for work, I FIND it. Source out who I want to work for, figure out what they need and present some ideas, close the deal and negotiate a wage.

I had one employer who paid for my NOvell Certs, but I was employed as their IT manager for 2 years before that. Since then, I have never been asked what certs I hold. I work for myself now, have several avenues of income and work when I want (or need) to work, and that's it.

The whole certs get jobs crap is tiring, PEOPLE get careers, certs...well you may be able to get the 'advertised' job I suppose, but what a waste of time and money when you can actually spend money learning how to sell yourself and your skills and find your dream job instead.

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by The Admiral In reply to High School Drop Out

No Sir,

My type of person hires people who say they are qualified and have the experience and EDUCATION that can back it up. I hire people who can hit the ground running and not ask questions as to how to do something. I hire people who can do the job out of the box without having to be trained by another technician.

If you are upset about that, then I suggest you go back and hit the books to get the degree, since the resume and many like you will go into the trash as soon as they are received without the appropriate education.

Without the education to back your credentials up, you are looked at as a possible liability to the company.

You too, have a nice day.

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Resume?

by Oz_Media In reply to

I don't apply for work or send resumes. I send propsals to people who aren't advertising postitions and sell my ideas and abilities to them, as of yet I have never been asked what level of education I have, rarely get asked about certs and never have testimonials followed up on, reputation goes a long way.

It's not unique or anything, it's just a different approach to the market and that's what makes it successful, and usually pays more than applying for work or a fixed position.

But to each his own, you obviously work for a company/department I would avoid working with anyway, I hate working for people.

Such basic standard requirements are usually a strong indication that the company doesn't want to take time to find the proper fit or 'person' but is simply trying to fill a statistical hole.

As for education, I have passed college level entry exams for BCIT twice, so I think I'm okay.

I have also met a LOT of real morons with a High School or college diploma.

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by daniel#nailbyter.com In reply to Resume?

i would have to side with OZ. just because you have a drivers license doesnt mean you know how to drive. just because you have a HSD doesnt mean you can think on your own. two of the richest men in America are college dropouts. humm.

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I can accept that for a new employee

by Oz_Media In reply to Found one good reason to ...

Perhaps that would make sense for a new employee that hasn't proven ability yet.

But after that person has proven as capable as other techs and as efficient as others, then pay should be based equally. I have always been a person that believes you deserve to be paid what you are worth.

In most cases I have always found employers with a similar attitude, if you have an MCSE and I don't, BUT I can do three other jobs well that the MCSE can't, then I bring more skill to the table and deserve to be paid more.

If I can prove I am just as good as the MCSE with Windows Server Administration then I want equal pay, proven ability is far more valuable than paper.

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