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Gret and myself have met

jardinier
"in the flesh" and in the flesh.

After two years of exchanging emails, participating in discussions at TR and meetchristians.com, and more recently talking on the phone, today Gret travelled by train from Melbourne so that we could meet.

And what is amazing -- considering that Gret is an atheistic Jew and I am a theistic, agnostic relativist -- is that Jesus brought us together.

We had never spoken on the phone until a few weeks ago when I thought I would ring her to talk about the discussions at meetchristians.com

It was immediately obvious that we are marvellously compatible. If it hadn't been for the discussions at meetchristians.com I doubt that I would have thought to ring her, thus it was Jesus who brought us together.

As neither of us is in a position to move to another city, we have agreed to have brief visits from time to time.

Here is a fair resemblance of Gret:

http://www.topsciencenews.com/images/gret01.jpg
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    maxwell edison

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    jdclyde

    you have to say for yourself? :0

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    jardinier

    I wouldn't expect Max to find joy in anything good happening to me. After all I am:

    1. A journalist;
    2. Left wing;
    3. I have been a welfare recipient for 22 years for a nervous condition;
    4. I think it is highly likely if not probable that humans have contributed to global warming.

    I think that just about covers all Maxwell's pet peeves. :^0

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    NOW LEFT TR

    For the Big Day - should come up a treat:

    http://tinyurl.com/y2budr

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    jardinier

    but we both prefer au naturel. :)

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    Nearly 5 pm here!

    Best of Luck to you.

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    dawgit

    ya know, in these days of total crap in the world, You, my dear sir, just put in a little niceness, light, and maybe a wee bit of hope.
    Not bad Mr Jardinier.
    Sorry, I've been a little preoccupied lately, damn world on the brink of analization and all that. Something possitive was indeed good news.

    ps: Hallo everybody, I'm not dead yet. :0
    -d

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    DelbertPGH

    Hope all works out long and happily.

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    jardinier

    It is nice to know that at least some members can wish us well.

    And yes, based on our first encounter, it will be a long, happy and very rewarding friendship.

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    DelbertPGH

    You know, Max seems to be able to get a lot of wind in his sails quite suddenly, and if you try to tie it back to some explicit thing that you said, it seems unprovoked and wildly disproportionate. He fills in a lot of the dots on his own, I guess, and comes up with a picture he's seen before, which he dislikes in the extreme. I don't understand what he's up to, but I don't try to engage him in these moods.

    In the blogging and posting business, you have to ignore flame threads, which I'm sure you know as well as I do. It's a bit painful when you get this out of somebody you've tried to extend a friendly hand to, but there you go.

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    sleepin'dawg

    I've been away for a bit but when I left Ol' Jardinier was swearing he would never darken TR ever again. Well I'm back and he's still lurking about. What ever happened to his little Ethiopian honey??? :^0

    Been molesting anybody recently, Jardinier???

    Dawg ]:)

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    Tig2

    Anything different?

    At least we aren't being treated to near pornographic discussions of his relationships. That helps.

    Good to see you again!

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    jardinier

    Address your complaint to him.

    Yes I am still in regular email contact with my Ethiopian friend. The corruption in Ethiopia makes the cost of bringing her here prohibitive. Large bribes are required and so forth.

    It is because of this contact and my contact with other orphans in Africa that I am setting up a new website:

    http://thirdworldorphans.org

    because most Westerners are oblivious to the horrendous conditions which exist in Third World countries.

    You like to present yourself as the big he-man, man of the world. It seems very hypocritical that you put on this facade of prudishness when it suits you.

    But then again it might be sour grapes because you mentioned in an earlier discussion that you had bombed out in the relationship department. You even wished me luck in that discussion.

    Well I have struck gold with Gret.

    "sticks and stones may break my bones" but your words wash off me like water off a duck's back. It is only your own image that you diminish by your childish remarks addressed to me.

    However enjoy your sick and sarcastic comments if this makes you feel like the big he-man.

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    Oz_Media

    The Dawg awakes! How the he11 you been? I thought you had a new alias and were in disguise or something. Either that or I just haven't been around too much lately.

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    Dr Dij

    was that Gret was in her 80's as no one person could have read so much or knew so much. I know that sounds terribly silly.

    Glad two interesting people could meet. Sounds like one of these e-harmony things :)

    There was one person who worked at our LA plant who I had talked to hundreds of times on the phone, working together for an account. Then when they showed up in person, totally different!

    Now you guys should meet Hal 9000 and Deadly!

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    sleepin'dawg

    Maybe her shock hasn't worn off yet, either that or she didn't think the experience worth noting or commenting upon; more than likely the latter.

    Dawg ]:)

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    jardinier

    because it was intended to inform any members of TR who might be interested to learn that two people who have posted prolifically to TR have actually met.

    While you were absent, there was a thread asking if anyone had met, in real life, someone whom that had only previously known via the internet.

    It was very interesting to learn that a number of TR members had met their spouses on the internet.

    I am not at all surprised to learn that your mind is still in the gutter.

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    Sorry, Dawg, my dilatoriness in getting to the computer was not entirely my fault. I had to peel my son off it before getting a look-in. Thank God he goes back to work on Monday!

    PS: Apropos of that, would anyone with any ideas on how to get rid of 32-year-old sons (short of boiling them in oil) please forward their suggestions.

    I am an extremely curious person. I have always been very curious, and used to drive my parents insane with my questions. They simply couldn't keep me in books. Thank heavens when computers and the internet arrived on the scene - too late for my childhood, but, as they say, better late than never.

    My curiosity finally drove me to visit Julian, and close the gap of 500 odd miles which separated us.

    For those unfamiliar with the Great South Land, Sydney's the capital of New South Wales, the first state in Australia, and is on the Pacific coast set on a very long bay called Sydney Harbour. That's where Julian lives.

    I, on the other hand, live in Melbourne, 500 miles south in the state of Victoria, of which M is the capital city. It's also set on a bay, but in the south rather than the east, and the entrance to this bay is opposite the most southerly portion of Aussie, the island state of Tasmania.

    Julian and I had been participating in TR discussions for some years, and another site he got me interested in, Meeting Christians (I'm an atheist!), but a few months ago he took to ringing me instead, often for several hours at a time.

    We had plenty to talk about just by drawing material from the posts and threads of the various discussions we were involved with besides lots of other, non-associated topics.

    Well, my curiosity shortly got the better of me - it always does - and I jumped on a train one night and went to Sydney to meet Julian.

    I wasn't really in the least surprised by him; after all, I'd seen his pic in various guises on this site and MC, so I knew what he looked like.

    As for that awful pic of me he's used to illustrate his post at the beginning, it's over two years old, taken when I was 60. I must get a newer one done when I get the time.

    Meeting Julian was a fantastic adventure and I enjoyed every moment of it. I hope he felt the same, because I intend to go back there for a few days every so often, as it's much easier talking face to face than either over the phone or by email.

    I've also met Colin [HAL9000] and his wife, Gai, when they came on a flying visit to Melbourne a couple of years ago on motoring business. Col is an awesome guy, and Gai is charming and has a great deal to put up with, I think, even tho' Col refers to her as 'She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed', as in Rumpole of the Bailey!

    Aussie's an enormous place, so it's not easy meeting members (of TR and other sites) just like that. Travelling long and often boring distances is the norm. A few years ago, it took me three days (by train) to travel from the south-east coast where I live across the continent to the west coast, the Indian Ocean and Perth, capital city of the state of Western Australia to attend an astronomical and cosmological conference for a week. It was extremely relaxing, but I flew back in four hours, lost a couple in between (because of time zones) and probably arrived before I'd left. Disconcerting!

    So you see, folks, don't be too rough on us for just having a little fun and satisfying our mutual curiosities. I will now paste my son back on the computer and peel him off on Monday morning when he has to go to work.

    Cheers

    Gret

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    HAL 9000 Moderator

    I always do as I'm told by She Who Must Be Obeyed! I like a quite life without the nagging.

    Anyway was it actually 2 years ago now that I was last in Melbourne? Seems a lot shorter but as I've been instructed by SWMBO No More Interstate Trips driving at least I'm not allowed to drive all that far any more.

    As for going to Perth you did show some sense by taking a train I've driven the Nullabour a few times now and if there was ever a sign of total insanity it's driving that trip. Now I just avoid Perth like the Plague as it a long way even by aircraft and days by driving from Adelaide.

    Incidentally if anyone passes on a good way of getting rid of children will you pass them on to me please? My son is now harassing me to do things for him and while he has moved out and married in January last year he's here nearly every day. And only about 5 KMS away.

    The daughter is a little better as she at lives a decent distance away several hours driving but whenever anything goes wrong I'm expected to drop everything and drive up there to fix her problem. Mind you my promise still holds true if either of them tell us that they are going to present us with a Grandchild the Mobile Home gets packed up and we are taking a holiday of about 35 years. Slip in some new SIM cards into the phones that are prepaid and untraceable and we're off.

    Col

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    Great to hear from you again, Col. Yes, by my calculations, it's almost two years since you came down to Melbourne now; I think it was in March '05.

    How is Gai (SWMBO!)? Well, I hope.

    As for extraneous, grown-up kids, my problem is also my son - what is it about boys/young men that they want to stay at home? - and he hasn't even got the excuse of being married yet!

    My daughter moved out yonks ago and is living happily about half a day's drive away in Dimboola, not far from the SA border, with her partner and my two grandchildren.

    The phone and email are a godsend!

    Gret

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    HAL 9000 Moderator

    She's now known to Totally Trash beds when she's not grabbing all of one for herself. On the few occasion when I get to bed when she in there she manages to throw off the covers because she's too hot but not off the bed onto me so I get to stay nice and warm and sweat out anything that I've drunk in the last month.

    Currently the guy who does all the paint & panel work has had her current Favourite car for nearly 12 months now. It's a bit longer than usual but as he's been sick I can't complain too much I'm just glad that she didn't see it the way it was the last time that I saw it back to bare metal with great big chunks cut out. Should be really nice when I get it back and Gai thinks that I buy these cars for her. :^0

    I have a complete New Interior to fit once the paint has dried so I'll have a little bit of work to do and I want to change the engine to one of the twin cam motors from the high performance single cam motor that's in there. The cylinder heads are a bit stronger and more robust so I'll eventually get my way. Besides as I already have 2 spare motors I need a reason to keep them.

    I'm currently working on getting all the necessary parts to turn it into a manual and dump the Auto as I just like 5 speed manuals over an Auto any day. All I need now is a Master Cylinder for the Clutch and I'll have all the bits necessary. Should only take about a day to make all the changes and then she'll have to do some work to drive the car instead of just sitting back and pushing the accelerator.

    Sorry I can't answer the question about kids even our daughter insists on bringing me in on everything that she wants done and insists that I fix anything that breaks but she seems to tune out when given instructions like one time recently I had to replace a drive shaft in her car and it needed a service so she had it serviced and then somehow expected me to change the drive shaft without loosing any engine oil. Worse still she expected me to catch it and pour it back into the engine. Apparently when I said not to do anything to the car I would do what was necessary that was interpreted as do as you like Dad can perform Miracle's and I don't need to worry.

    Seriously I'm considering having my son circumcised the Jewish way sit him on a block of wood and chop off everything that hangs over then keep the small bit. The big bit can go into the rubbish where it belongs. That's about the only way that I can see myself getting rid of him and his constant need for me to fix things. :_|

    But if you get an answer will you please pass it on as I'm getting desperate. Currently I talking about a DNA Test to prove that he's not actually related to us as the hospital messed up and gave us the wrong child.

    Currently I'm not allowed to buy any more cars for SWMBO till I get back her current Favourite one and then when she finds out that she can not actually drive it I'll have to buy her another one. :)

    Though to be fair she did point out a Mobile Home a Mercedes 309 and as it's ready to go it will save me the trouble of refitting the 408 which everyone but us has used. Besides as SWMBO said it's got a bigger fridge in it. So maybe I can get away with buying her that one she's already pulled into a pub with the 408 and fallen out of it in front of the cops looking for all the world as if she was drunk. Unfortunately they didn't do anything about it.

    Col

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    Col, I love your posts. At least they show that someone - you - in these discussions knows how to balance sanity and humour, rather than getting all boiled up over nothing; we won't mention names!

    And I'm happy to know that SWMBO is still pulling your strings and keeping you well in check from buying too many cars!

    As for the getting-rid-of-kids campaign, there are, sadly, no answers yet. I may just have to take matters into my own hands after all and bring out the boiling oil, because unfortunately, I can't employ your very creative method myself. That was already done 32 years ago, so the boiling oil it will have to be, I'm afraid.

    I hope all your extraneous bits and pieces of motor come together soon to create yet another wonder of the road, and that SWMBO is suitably grateful.

    I just remembered I haven't said it yet, so before January bows out, I do wish you both a wonderful 2007.

    Please keep in touch, probably via my email would be better. I miss your weekly jokes!

    Gret

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    HAL 9000 Moderator

    You threw away the wrong bit.

    But you could always have it done again but this time do it properly sit him on a tree stump without any cloths and use a Bloody Big Blunt Axe believe me the idea will get though very quickly and you'll never have seen him move so fast.

    When the kids moved out of here we immediately turned their rooms into something and now there is no way known that they can return as there is no longer any room for them. Perhaps you could arrange for your son to go out to the pictures one night and rearrange the house so he no longer has a room in which to sleep or a sofa as you can have everything covered by various forms of junk. Currently I have some very good Speakers on the Kitchen Table that can not be seen as there is about 3 feet of computer parts pilled up on the table. Well at least I think I have the speakers there I haven't seen them for a few years now but I know that they where there when I started to move stuff around to keep it safe from SWMBO as she tends to clean up and loose things forever.

    You can be nice about things and up the rent to about 2 Million per minute and then when he refuses to pay throw out all his stuff on the footpath and rearrange things to suit your own ends. That's how we got our son to move out initially and then setup a Computer Lab in the room that he used to have. There's no way back in now and he knows it.

    Yea I've been a bit slack lately as I've been using that disgusting 4 letter word quite a lot recently WORK So I been remiss in not sending out jokes but honestly when I get home at some Ungodly Hour I'm not overly interested in sending out any jokes it's all I can do to work through that days e-mail and then try to get some sleep before the next phone call.

    But on the up side it saves me tiding up after myself. :^0

    Cheers

    Col

    PS if things don't get absolutely crazy this week I'll try to push something out on Friday. MAYBE. :)

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    As in 'I wish'. I wasn't even allowed into the room when Mart was 'done'. Sure, I was his mother, but women are off-limits in a ritual like that. Was told his Godfather turned green when it happened, tho'!

    I have great plans for his room once it's vacated, but at the moment, most of it consists of an archaeological dig, and I'm afraid the spirit weakens at the sight of it.

    I did try digging in there once, and for all I got out, which seemed like heaps at the time, it still looked as if it hadn't been touched!

    I was, of course, mightily castigated for entering the sanctum sanctorum, which naturally, I ignored, but every time I try to remove things now, there always seems to be more inside than when I started. I think my son has built himself a secret Tardis or something!

    Nevertheless, I will bear your wisdom in mind, and one day I'll manage to jump him when he's least expecting it. My time WILL come . . . !

    Col, I hate to ask this, but are you getting OLD???? I always thought you and sleep hadn't met for years!

    Cheers

    Gret

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    HAL 9000 Moderator

    Ever since the New Year I've wanted to get a few hours sleep per day. I even try to get in a couple of hours in the Late Afternoon.

    Mist be something to do with that Doctors Surgery and the easy upgrade to Server R2 SBS Premium from Server SBS. Apparently I wasn't quite prepared for that one and I must still be recovering after wasting over 4 days to get it working properly. Of course if I didn't have the Help I would have got things done much faster. The Owner would help me for a few minutes and it took hours to undo everything that he had done in a 5 minute period. Come 4.00 PM on 1-1-007 I had it working but I knew that there where gapping holes in the system as the owner had come in and turned of everything related to security and when he removed Exchange I was sure that the AD was no longer working properly so I started a reinstall off the 9 CD's. 3 hours latter when he had decided that I really didn't know what it was that I was doing I asked him to open his computer and then log onto the server and he was surprised that every machine in the place was connecting and working. All that had to be done them was to reinstall the Medical Program Rebuild the Patient D Base and set ISA to allow 1 computer to access the Web to collect Medical Reports sent to them.

    I stayed well clear of the Patient D Base as I didn't want to know about it and walked out while it was rebuilding itself. All that should have been necessary from there was to address every desktop to the new location of the Program and it would have been working.

    I actually only took about 2 days to find out that he had Static IP Addresses on everything which is OK but what I couldn't work out was the DNS address being the same as the ISP Address. That took a long time to work out what he had attempted to do and more importantly work out how it was actually working. Not quite sure I actually managed the last one but what the **** I had it working properly and I was glad to get the **** out of there.

    Then I got hit by the makers of this program apparently they had been telling every one of their customers how to configure the systems and now they needed to upgrade their system to run the new application which required a complete SQL Server. Pity that they forgot to mention that they only supported SQL 2000 and nothing newer when they where telling all their clients to buy Server 2003 SBS Premium which has SQL 2005 and it doesn't work with the current program. They'll have it fixed by June apparently so by then every one of their customers who has followed their advice will be able to run the software that was new a year ago. :^0

    And to make matters worse I've been playing with an I Pod today well more correctly moving music tracks into one file from about 2 million spread all around the HDD. Then when he had exactly the same folders set down to 11 levels copied to 5 different places it made life so much easier. When I started he could only find 850 tracks and when I finished I had backed up well over 3,000 with quite a few quadrupled up in different locations so tomorrow I'm going back and cleaning up the NB to make some room on the HDD and get rid of the 11 GIG of music that he's currently got stored on it. I've backed everything up to an external USB Drive and now all I have to do is clean up the computer. And attempt to tell him why he has the same thing in so many different places.

    Oh for the Good Old Days when I was doing some real work.

    OH Gret for the other thing watch Robin Hood Men in Tights as the Good Friar Tuck had the perfect device to perform Circumcisions.

    Col

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    Oz_Media

    How to get rid of 32-year-old sons


    Introduce them to a friend's 18 year old daughters.

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    jardinier

    and is widely read and very knowledgeable in a variety of areas. She teaches various courses at our free university U3A.

    Because of our recent long telephone conversations -- usually three hours -- there were no surprises.

    Gret has met Hal 9000 and I have spoken to him on the phone.

    I have exchanged many private emails with Deadly.

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    Dr Dij

    BTW, my gal friend and I decided to get married, on New Year's eve, by a waterfall on a local woodsy trail. Now I can't say gal-friend anymore, have to say Fiance. Saw hawks, gophers, frogs, and a coyote on the trail.

    We haven't gotten married yet or set a date. I did get her some nice Rock Candy on Saturday, she picked it herself at a local store.

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    gadgetgirl

    So are you making an honest woman out of her, or is she making an honest man out of you?!

    Sounds a remarkably romantic place to decide to get married! I'm impressed! (Hey, you're a guy, you're not supposed to be romantic and communicate that fact!)

    Did you do the whole "down on one knee" bit, too?

    BTW - fiance (one "e") is male; fiancee (two "e"'s) is female.... you may want to correct that before I email her and tell her you got it all wrong first time out!!

    ]:)

    GG

    Edit: Rock Candy? Was that a replacement for the "rock" she should be getting?!

    Double-edit: speed typist + fat finger syndrome due to arthritis = truck load of keyboard dyslexia. Sorry!

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    Dr Dij

    (and you're right, she's a stickler for spelling, checks a newsletter I edit before we print it; I did not know that about the spelling)

    We've been living together for 3 years. Of course it would come up 'when we get married...' And I'd occasionally say things like 'this would be a great place for our honeymoon..' e.g. when we were at this San Diego hotel for a conference, and the place was like little cottages with rose gardens all around amid the palm trees..

    So I suggested we probably wanted to get married at some point, she said " we'll know when the time is right..' kind of thing. So I said, "OK, you let me know.."

    THen when we were shooting at a show (she helps me with the video lighting) a friend from another club who we see a couple times a year asked when we were getting married, and I told him it was up to her .. :)

    She then denied remembering she had told me that. Anyway fast forward a few months, lots of telling me I'm the best boyfriend ever, she hinted that she'd propose on New Year's eve. She likes waterfalls, and while it wasn't exactly that, in So Cal is dry, there was a stream nearby and sound of running water..

    She asked, I said OK. And of course I bought the ring next weekend:) I'm told women propose 50% of the time, tho you never see this on TV.

    Rock Candy was slang for a ring of course. A Rock (diamond) and eye candy (in a ring)

    Years ago, I was DPM at a small mfg plant in Mid -LA and one accounting lady's husband sent a male stripper over for her at lunch. Her co-worker gals want to throw her a bachelorette party; she told them no mail strippers.

    Problem is, she wants to quit the job, they treat her miserably (the sales guys verbally abuse the purchasing dept), and we haven't set a date yet. Plus she hasn't told anyone there she wants to leave. I suppose she should go ahead and have the party..

    We'll probably get married in April. She wants to have it up in Lake Tahoe, at Cal - Nevada border. Not too keen on Vegas, tho there are a few pretty gardens there. I'm probably the only person who doesn't bother to gamble when I visited vegas. Other stuff like movies or become ace fighter pilot on a video game but I just don't dig gambling.

    Anyway, thanks for listening.

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    maxwell edison

    I said it once, but I decided against it. Nonetheless, it keeps coming back. Julian is no "gentleman". What does, "'met in the flesh'" and met in the flesh" really mean? This is the most disgusting, self-serving and self-absorbed pile of crap I've ever seen. Julian is too stupid and self-absorbed to be ashamed of himself, but he should be. Julian, get a clue! NOBODY CARES about your miserable personal life or your personal satisfaction. This is THE MOST disgusting message I've ever seen posted in a public forum. Keep your mental masturbation to yourself. Julian, what an absolute loser you are. You're despicable. You're phony. And you're an ***. I only have one regret -- that you're not right in front of me right now so I can tell you to your miserable face. Disgusted doesn't even begin to describe what I think.

    (P.S. I'm holding back. I don't dare say what I really think.)

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    jardinier

    but I am too much of a gentleman to post them on a public forum.

    You should be thankful that we are not face to face. You might find the experience disagreeable for quite different reasons.

    I think it is highly likely that your unusually vitriolic attacks on my character in this and another current discussion may be related to the fact that I was right and you were wrong about G.W. Bush.

    Get over it Max and start preparing yourself to live under a Democrat President in 2008.

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    deepsand

    TR strikes again.

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    jardinier

    that the well-wishers outnumber those who feel compelled to drag me down to their gutter level of thought.

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    deepsand

    Need I explain?

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    jardinier

    But what amazes me is that such a deliberate double entendre which was supposed to be taken as a joke, drew a few rock spiders out into the open to ply their dirty trade.

    Did we actually ............ ? Well I guess you'll never know, will you. :^0

    But we sure talked and laughed a lot as well as Gret doing a fair job of sight-reading some of my piano compositions, and of course the obligatory inspection of my garden.

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    maxwell edison

    You admittedly post something risqu? and "ungentlemanly", and then offer the excuse of making a joke! And you them slam those who did not "get the joke"! Your double-talk is amazing.

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    Oz_Media

    I saw a little campy comment, a wee bit'o'tongue-in-cheek or a "nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no MORE!"

    "You wife, is she a goer?, Eh, eh , does she go, eh, know what I mean? "

    "Well she sometimes....'goes', yes."

    "I bet she does, I bet she does!"


    >But I can't say I found it disgusting, or offensive or even slightly rude, knowing Gret reads and posts here quite often too and she would fully understand his comment as being unoffensve.

    perhaps there was a hint of conquest in it, but not any more than other guys when they get some, or find someone that has some anyway.

    but oh well, you and Jules are no different than you and I really. Two different folk living in two different parts of the world with different values morals and societies.

    I thought your attack was a bit harsh or uncalled for, but you and Jules have a history so I won't pick sides on that stuff.

    "But still, woooooah , eh....eh, wooooah, eh?! Candid...candid photography, he asked him knowingly. Snap, snap, grin, grin, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, know what I mean?"

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    maxwell edison

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    jdclyde

    you have to say for yourself? :0

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    jardinier

    I wouldn't expect Max to find joy in anything good happening to me. After all I am:

    1. A journalist;
    2. Left wing;
    3. I have been a welfare recipient for 22 years for a nervous condition;
    4. I think it is highly likely if not probable that humans have contributed to global warming.

    I think that just about covers all Maxwell's pet peeves. :^0

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    NOW LEFT TR

    For the Big Day - should come up a treat:

    http://tinyurl.com/y2budr

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    jardinier

    but we both prefer au naturel. :)

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    NOW LEFT TR

    Nearly 5 pm here!

    Best of Luck to you.

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    dawgit

    ya know, in these days of total crap in the world, You, my dear sir, just put in a little niceness, light, and maybe a wee bit of hope.
    Not bad Mr Jardinier.
    Sorry, I've been a little preoccupied lately, damn world on the brink of analization and all that. Something possitive was indeed good news.

    ps: Hallo everybody, I'm not dead yet. :0
    -d

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    DelbertPGH

    Hope all works out long and happily.

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    jardinier

    It is nice to know that at least some members can wish us well.

    And yes, based on our first encounter, it will be a long, happy and very rewarding friendship.

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    DelbertPGH

    You know, Max seems to be able to get a lot of wind in his sails quite suddenly, and if you try to tie it back to some explicit thing that you said, it seems unprovoked and wildly disproportionate. He fills in a lot of the dots on his own, I guess, and comes up with a picture he's seen before, which he dislikes in the extreme. I don't understand what he's up to, but I don't try to engage him in these moods.

    In the blogging and posting business, you have to ignore flame threads, which I'm sure you know as well as I do. It's a bit painful when you get this out of somebody you've tried to extend a friendly hand to, but there you go.

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    sleepin'dawg

    I've been away for a bit but when I left Ol' Jardinier was swearing he would never darken TR ever again. Well I'm back and he's still lurking about. What ever happened to his little Ethiopian honey??? :^0

    Been molesting anybody recently, Jardinier???

    Dawg ]:)

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    Tig2

    Anything different?

    At least we aren't being treated to near pornographic discussions of his relationships. That helps.

    Good to see you again!

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    jardinier

    Address your complaint to him.

    Yes I am still in regular email contact with my Ethiopian friend. The corruption in Ethiopia makes the cost of bringing her here prohibitive. Large bribes are required and so forth.

    It is because of this contact and my contact with other orphans in Africa that I am setting up a new website:

    http://thirdworldorphans.org

    because most Westerners are oblivious to the horrendous conditions which exist in Third World countries.

    You like to present yourself as the big he-man, man of the world. It seems very hypocritical that you put on this facade of prudishness when it suits you.

    But then again it might be sour grapes because you mentioned in an earlier discussion that you had bombed out in the relationship department. You even wished me luck in that discussion.

    Well I have struck gold with Gret.

    "sticks and stones may break my bones" but your words wash off me like water off a duck's back. It is only your own image that you diminish by your childish remarks addressed to me.

    However enjoy your sick and sarcastic comments if this makes you feel like the big he-man.

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    Oz_Media

    The Dawg awakes! How the he11 you been? I thought you had a new alias and were in disguise or something. Either that or I just haven't been around too much lately.

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    Dr Dij

    was that Gret was in her 80's as no one person could have read so much or knew so much. I know that sounds terribly silly.

    Glad two interesting people could meet. Sounds like one of these e-harmony things :)

    There was one person who worked at our LA plant who I had talked to hundreds of times on the phone, working together for an account. Then when they showed up in person, totally different!

    Now you guys should meet Hal 9000 and Deadly!

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    sleepin'dawg

    Maybe her shock hasn't worn off yet, either that or she didn't think the experience worth noting or commenting upon; more than likely the latter.

    Dawg ]:)

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    jardinier

    because it was intended to inform any members of TR who might be interested to learn that two people who have posted prolifically to TR have actually met.

    While you were absent, there was a thread asking if anyone had met, in real life, someone whom that had only previously known via the internet.

    It was very interesting to learn that a number of TR members had met their spouses on the internet.

    I am not at all surprised to learn that your mind is still in the gutter.

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    Sorry, Dawg, my dilatoriness in getting to the computer was not entirely my fault. I had to peel my son off it before getting a look-in. Thank God he goes back to work on Monday!

    PS: Apropos of that, would anyone with any ideas on how to get rid of 32-year-old sons (short of boiling them in oil) please forward their suggestions.

    I am an extremely curious person. I have always been very curious, and used to drive my parents insane with my questions. They simply couldn't keep me in books. Thank heavens when computers and the internet arrived on the scene - too late for my childhood, but, as they say, better late than never.

    My curiosity finally drove me to visit Julian, and close the gap of 500 odd miles which separated us.

    For those unfamiliar with the Great South Land, Sydney's the capital of New South Wales, the first state in Australia, and is on the Pacific coast set on a very long bay called Sydney Harbour. That's where Julian lives.

    I, on the other hand, live in Melbourne, 500 miles south in the state of Victoria, of which M is the capital city. It's also set on a bay, but in the south rather than the east, and the entrance to this bay is opposite the most southerly portion of Aussie, the island state of Tasmania.

    Julian and I had been participating in TR discussions for some years, and another site he got me interested in, Meeting Christians (I'm an atheist!), but a few months ago he took to ringing me instead, often for several hours at a time.

    We had plenty to talk about just by drawing material from the posts and threads of the various discussions we were involved with besides lots of other, non-associated topics.

    Well, my curiosity shortly got the better of me - it always does - and I jumped on a train one night and went to Sydney to meet Julian.

    I wasn't really in the least surprised by him; after all, I'd seen his pic in various guises on this site and MC, so I knew what he looked like.

    As for that awful pic of me he's used to illustrate his post at the beginning, it's over two years old, taken when I was 60. I must get a newer one done when I get the time.

    Meeting Julian was a fantastic adventure and I enjoyed every moment of it. I hope he felt the same, because I intend to go back there for a few days every so often, as it's much easier talking face to face than either over the phone or by email.

    I've also met Colin [HAL9000] and his wife, Gai, when they came on a flying visit to Melbourne a couple of years ago on motoring business. Col is an awesome guy, and Gai is charming and has a great deal to put up with, I think, even tho' Col refers to her as 'She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed', as in Rumpole of the Bailey!

    Aussie's an enormous place, so it's not easy meeting members (of TR and other sites) just like that. Travelling long and often boring distances is the norm. A few years ago, it took me three days (by train) to travel from the south-east coast where I live across the continent to the west coast, the Indian Ocean and Perth, capital city of the state of Western Australia to attend an astronomical and cosmological conference for a week. It was extremely relaxing, but I flew back in four hours, lost a couple in between (because of time zones) and probably arrived before I'd left. Disconcerting!

    So you see, folks, don't be too rough on us for just having a little fun and satisfying our mutual curiosities. I will now paste my son back on the computer and peel him off on Monday morning when he has to go to work.

    Cheers

    Gret

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    HAL 9000 Moderator

    I always do as I'm told by She Who Must Be Obeyed! I like a quite life without the nagging.

    Anyway was it actually 2 years ago now that I was last in Melbourne? Seems a lot shorter but as I've been instructed by SWMBO No More Interstate Trips driving at least I'm not allowed to drive all that far any more.

    As for going to Perth you did show some sense by taking a train I've driven the Nullabour a few times now and if there was ever a sign of total insanity it's driving that trip. Now I just avoid Perth like the Plague as it a long way even by aircraft and days by driving from Adelaide.

    Incidentally if anyone passes on a good way of getting rid of children will you pass them on to me please? My son is now harassing me to do things for him and while he has moved out and married in January last year he's here nearly every day. And only about 5 KMS away.

    The daughter is a little better as she at lives a decent distance away several hours driving but whenever anything goes wrong I'm expected to drop everything and drive up there to fix her problem. Mind you my promise still holds true if either of them tell us that they are going to present us with a Grandchild the Mobile Home gets packed up and we are taking a holiday of about 35 years. Slip in some new SIM cards into the phones that are prepaid and untraceable and we're off.

    Col

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    Great to hear from you again, Col. Yes, by my calculations, it's almost two years since you came down to Melbourne now; I think it was in March '05.

    How is Gai (SWMBO!)? Well, I hope.

    As for extraneous, grown-up kids, my problem is also my son - what is it about boys/young men that they want to stay at home? - and he hasn't even got the excuse of being married yet!

    My daughter moved out yonks ago and is living happily about half a day's drive away in Dimboola, not far from the SA border, with her partner and my two grandchildren.

    The phone and email are a godsend!

    Gret

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    HAL 9000 Moderator

    She's now known to Totally Trash beds when she's not grabbing all of one for herself. On the few occasion when I get to bed when she in there she manages to throw off the covers because she's too hot but not off the bed onto me so I get to stay nice and warm and sweat out anything that I've drunk in the last month.

    Currently the guy who does all the paint & panel work has had her current Favourite car for nearly 12 months now. It's a bit longer than usual but as he's been sick I can't complain too much I'm just glad that she didn't see it the way it was the last time that I saw it back to bare metal with great big chunks cut out. Should be really nice when I get it back and Gai thinks that I buy these cars for her. :^0

    I have a complete New Interior to fit once the paint has dried so I'll have a little bit of work to do and I want to change the engine to one of the twin cam motors from the high performance single cam motor that's in there. The cylinder heads are a bit stronger and more robust so I'll eventually get my way. Besides as I already have 2 spare motors I need a reason to keep them.

    I'm currently working on getting all the necessary parts to turn it into a manual and dump the Auto as I just like 5 speed manuals over an Auto any day. All I need now is a Master Cylinder for the Clutch and I'll have all the bits necessary. Should only take about a day to make all the changes and then she'll have to do some work to drive the car instead of just sitting back and pushing the accelerator.

    Sorry I can't answer the question about kids even our daughter insists on bringing me in on everything that she wants done and insists that I fix anything that breaks but she seems to tune out when given instructions like one time recently I had to replace a drive shaft in her car and it needed a service so she had it serviced and then somehow expected me to change the drive shaft without loosing any engine oil. Worse still she expected me to catch it and pour it back into the engine. Apparently when I said not to do anything to the car I would do what was necessary that was interpreted as do as you like Dad can perform Miracle's and I don't need to worry.

    Seriously I'm considering having my son circumcised the Jewish way sit him on a block of wood and chop off everything that hangs over then keep the small bit. The big bit can go into the rubbish where it belongs. That's about the only way that I can see myself getting rid of him and his constant need for me to fix things. :_|

    But if you get an answer will you please pass it on as I'm getting desperate. Currently I talking about a DNA Test to prove that he's not actually related to us as the hospital messed up and gave us the wrong child.

    Currently I'm not allowed to buy any more cars for SWMBO till I get back her current Favourite one and then when she finds out that she can not actually drive it I'll have to buy her another one. :)

    Though to be fair she did point out a Mobile Home a Mercedes 309 and as it's ready to go it will save me the trouble of refitting the 408 which everyone but us has used. Besides as SWMBO said it's got a bigger fridge in it. So maybe I can get away with buying her that one she's already pulled into a pub with the 408 and fallen out of it in front of the cops looking for all the world as if she was drunk. Unfortunately they didn't do anything about it.

    Col

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    Col, I love your posts. At least they show that someone - you - in these discussions knows how to balance sanity and humour, rather than getting all boiled up over nothing; we won't mention names!

    And I'm happy to know that SWMBO is still pulling your strings and keeping you well in check from buying too many cars!

    As for the getting-rid-of-kids campaign, there are, sadly, no answers yet. I may just have to take matters into my own hands after all and bring out the boiling oil, because unfortunately, I can't employ your very creative method myself. That was already done 32 years ago, so the boiling oil it will have to be, I'm afraid.

    I hope all your extraneous bits and pieces of motor come together soon to create yet another wonder of the road, and that SWMBO is suitably grateful.

    I just remembered I haven't said it yet, so before January bows out, I do wish you both a wonderful 2007.

    Please keep in touch, probably via my email would be better. I miss your weekly jokes!

    Gret

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    HAL 9000 Moderator

    You threw away the wrong bit.

    But you could always have it done again but this time do it properly sit him on a tree stump without any cloths and use a Bloody Big Blunt Axe believe me the idea will get though very quickly and you'll never have seen him move so fast.

    When the kids moved out of here we immediately turned their rooms into something and now there is no way known that they can return as there is no longer any room for them. Perhaps you could arrange for your son to go out to the pictures one night and rearrange the house so he no longer has a room in which to sleep or a sofa as you can have everything covered by various forms of junk. Currently I have some very good Speakers on the Kitchen Table that can not be seen as there is about 3 feet of computer parts pilled up on the table. Well at least I think I have the speakers there I haven't seen them for a few years now but I know that they where there when I started to move stuff around to keep it safe from SWMBO as she tends to clean up and loose things forever.

    You can be nice about things and up the rent to about 2 Million per minute and then when he refuses to pay throw out all his stuff on the footpath and rearrange things to suit your own ends. That's how we got our son to move out initially and then setup a Computer Lab in the room that he used to have. There's no way back in now and he knows it.

    Yea I've been a bit slack lately as I've been using that disgusting 4 letter word quite a lot recently WORK So I been remiss in not sending out jokes but honestly when I get home at some Ungodly Hour I'm not overly interested in sending out any jokes it's all I can do to work through that days e-mail and then try to get some sleep before the next phone call.

    But on the up side it saves me tiding up after myself. :^0

    Cheers

    Col

    PS if things don't get absolutely crazy this week I'll try to push something out on Friday. MAYBE. :)

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    As in 'I wish'. I wasn't even allowed into the room when Mart was 'done'. Sure, I was his mother, but women are off-limits in a ritual like that. Was told his Godfather turned green when it happened, tho'!

    I have great plans for his room once it's vacated, but at the moment, most of it consists of an archaeological dig, and I'm afraid the spirit weakens at the sight of it.

    I did try digging in there once, and for all I got out, which seemed like heaps at the time, it still looked as if it hadn't been touched!

    I was, of course, mightily castigated for entering the sanctum sanctorum, which naturally, I ignored, but every time I try to remove things now, there always seems to be more inside than when I started. I think my son has built himself a secret Tardis or something!

    Nevertheless, I will bear your wisdom in mind, and one day I'll manage to jump him when he's least expecting it. My time WILL come . . . !

    Col, I hate to ask this, but are you getting OLD???? I always thought you and sleep hadn't met for years!

    Cheers

    Gret

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    HAL 9000 Moderator

    Ever since the New Year I've wanted to get a few hours sleep per day. I even try to get in a couple of hours in the Late Afternoon.

    Mist be something to do with that Doctors Surgery and the easy upgrade to Server R2 SBS Premium from Server SBS. Apparently I wasn't quite prepared for that one and I must still be recovering after wasting over 4 days to get it working properly. Of course if I didn't have the Help I would have got things done much faster. The Owner would help me for a few minutes and it took hours to undo everything that he had done in a 5 minute period. Come 4.00 PM on 1-1-007 I had it working but I knew that there where gapping holes in the system as the owner had come in and turned of everything related to security and when he removed Exchange I was sure that the AD was no longer working properly so I started a reinstall off the 9 CD's. 3 hours latter when he had decided that I really didn't know what it was that I was doing I asked him to open his computer and then log onto the server and he was surprised that every machine in the place was connecting and working. All that had to be done them was to reinstall the Medical Program Rebuild the Patient D Base and set ISA to allow 1 computer to access the Web to collect Medical Reports sent to them.

    I stayed well clear of the Patient D Base as I didn't want to know about it and walked out while it was rebuilding itself. All that should have been necessary from there was to address every desktop to the new location of the Program and it would have been working.

    I actually only took about 2 days to find out that he had Static IP Addresses on everything which is OK but what I couldn't work out was the DNS address being the same as the ISP Address. That took a long time to work out what he had attempted to do and more importantly work out how it was actually working. Not quite sure I actually managed the last one but what the **** I had it working properly and I was glad to get the **** out of there.

    Then I got hit by the makers of this program apparently they had been telling every one of their customers how to configure the systems and now they needed to upgrade their system to run the new application which required a complete SQL Server. Pity that they forgot to mention that they only supported SQL 2000 and nothing newer when they where telling all their clients to buy Server 2003 SBS Premium which has SQL 2005 and it doesn't work with the current program. They'll have it fixed by June apparently so by then every one of their customers who has followed their advice will be able to run the software that was new a year ago. :^0

    And to make matters worse I've been playing with an I Pod today well more correctly moving music tracks into one file from about 2 million spread all around the HDD. Then when he had exactly the same folders set down to 11 levels copied to 5 different places it made life so much easier. When I started he could only find 850 tracks and when I finished I had backed up well over 3,000 with quite a few quadrupled up in different locations so tomorrow I'm going back and cleaning up the NB to make some room on the HDD and get rid of the 11 GIG of music that he's currently got stored on it. I've backed everything up to an external USB Drive and now all I have to do is clean up the computer. And attempt to tell him why he has the same thing in so many different places.

    Oh for the Good Old Days when I was doing some real work.

    OH Gret for the other thing watch Robin Hood Men in Tights as the Good Friar Tuck had the perfect device to perform Circumcisions.

    Col

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    Oz_Media

    How to get rid of 32-year-old sons


    Introduce them to a friend's 18 year old daughters.

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    jardinier

    and is widely read and very knowledgeable in a variety of areas. She teaches various courses at our free university U3A.

    Because of our recent long telephone conversations -- usually three hours -- there were no surprises.

    Gret has met Hal 9000 and I have spoken to him on the phone.

    I have exchanged many private emails with Deadly.

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    Dr Dij

    BTW, my gal friend and I decided to get married, on New Year's eve, by a waterfall on a local woodsy trail. Now I can't say gal-friend anymore, have to say Fiance. Saw hawks, gophers, frogs, and a coyote on the trail.

    We haven't gotten married yet or set a date. I did get her some nice Rock Candy on Saturday, she picked it herself at a local store.

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    gadgetgirl

    So are you making an honest woman out of her, or is she making an honest man out of you?!

    Sounds a remarkably romantic place to decide to get married! I'm impressed! (Hey, you're a guy, you're not supposed to be romantic and communicate that fact!)

    Did you do the whole "down on one knee" bit, too?

    BTW - fiance (one "e") is male; fiancee (two "e"'s) is female.... you may want to correct that before I email her and tell her you got it all wrong first time out!!

    ]:)

    GG

    Edit: Rock Candy? Was that a replacement for the "rock" she should be getting?!

    Double-edit: speed typist + fat finger syndrome due to arthritis = truck load of keyboard dyslexia. Sorry!

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    Dr Dij

    (and you're right, she's a stickler for spelling, checks a newsletter I edit before we print it; I did not know that about the spelling)

    We've been living together for 3 years. Of course it would come up 'when we get married...' And I'd occasionally say things like 'this would be a great place for our honeymoon..' e.g. when we were at this San Diego hotel for a conference, and the place was like little cottages with rose gardens all around amid the palm trees..

    So I suggested we probably wanted to get married at some point, she said " we'll know when the time is right..' kind of thing. So I said, "OK, you let me know.."

    THen when we were shooting at a show (she helps me with the video lighting) a friend from another club who we see a couple times a year asked when we were getting married, and I told him it was up to her .. :)

    She then denied remembering she had told me that. Anyway fast forward a few months, lots of telling me I'm the best boyfriend ever, she hinted that she'd propose on New Year's eve. She likes waterfalls, and while it wasn't exactly that, in So Cal is dry, there was a stream nearby and sound of running water..

    She asked, I said OK. And of course I bought the ring next weekend:) I'm told women propose 50% of the time, tho you never see this on TV.

    Rock Candy was slang for a ring of course. A Rock (diamond) and eye candy (in a ring)

    Years ago, I was DPM at a small mfg plant in Mid -LA and one accounting lady's husband sent a male stripper over for her at lunch. Her co-worker gals want to throw her a bachelorette party; she told them no mail strippers.

    Problem is, she wants to quit the job, they treat her miserably (the sales guys verbally abuse the purchasing dept), and we haven't set a date yet. Plus she hasn't told anyone there she wants to leave. I suppose she should go ahead and have the party..

    We'll probably get married in April. She wants to have it up in Lake Tahoe, at Cal - Nevada border. Not too keen on Vegas, tho there are a few pretty gardens there. I'm probably the only person who doesn't bother to gamble when I visited vegas. Other stuff like movies or become ace fighter pilot on a video game but I just don't dig gambling.

    Anyway, thanks for listening.

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    I said it once, but I decided against it. Nonetheless, it keeps coming back. Julian is no "gentleman". What does, "'met in the flesh'" and met in the flesh" really mean? This is the most disgusting, self-serving and self-absorbed pile of crap I've ever seen. Julian is too stupid and self-absorbed to be ashamed of himself, but he should be. Julian, get a clue! NOBODY CARES about your miserable personal life or your personal satisfaction. This is THE MOST disgusting message I've ever seen posted in a public forum. Keep your mental masturbation to yourself. Julian, what an absolute loser you are. You're despicable. You're phony. And you're an ***. I only have one regret -- that you're not right in front of me right now so I can tell you to your miserable face. Disgusted doesn't even begin to describe what I think.

    (P.S. I'm holding back. I don't dare say what I really think.)

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    jardinier

    but I am too much of a gentleman to post them on a public forum.

    You should be thankful that we are not face to face. You might find the experience disagreeable for quite different reasons.

    I think it is highly likely that your unusually vitriolic attacks on my character in this and another current discussion may be related to the fact that I was right and you were wrong about G.W. Bush.

    Get over it Max and start preparing yourself to live under a Democrat President in 2008.

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    deepsand

    TR strikes again.

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    jardinier

    that the well-wishers outnumber those who feel compelled to drag me down to their gutter level of thought.

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    deepsand

    Need I explain?

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    jardinier

    But what amazes me is that such a deliberate double entendre which was supposed to be taken as a joke, drew a few rock spiders out into the open to ply their dirty trade.

    Did we actually ............ ? Well I guess you'll never know, will you. :^0

    But we sure talked and laughed a lot as well as Gret doing a fair job of sight-reading some of my piano compositions, and of course the obligatory inspection of my garden.

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    maxwell edison

    You admittedly post something risqu? and "ungentlemanly", and then offer the excuse of making a joke! And you them slam those who did not "get the joke"! Your double-talk is amazing.

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    Oz_Media

    I saw a little campy comment, a wee bit'o'tongue-in-cheek or a "nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no MORE!"

    "You wife, is she a goer?, Eh, eh , does she go, eh, know what I mean? "

    "Well she sometimes....'goes', yes."

    "I bet she does, I bet she does!"


    >But I can't say I found it disgusting, or offensive or even slightly rude, knowing Gret reads and posts here quite often too and she would fully understand his comment as being unoffensve.

    perhaps there was a hint of conquest in it, but not any more than other guys when they get some, or find someone that has some anyway.

    but oh well, you and Jules are no different than you and I really. Two different folk living in two different parts of the world with different values morals and societies.

    I thought your attack was a bit harsh or uncalled for, but you and Jules have a history so I won't pick sides on that stuff.

    "But still, woooooah , eh....eh, wooooah, eh?! Candid...candid photography, he asked him knowingly. Snap, snap, grin, grin, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, know what I mean?"