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Is Windows7 just a repackaged Vista

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Is Windows7 just a repackaged Vista

jdclyde
Ok, Windows7 is out, and I know many of you have dove head first to try it out.

Looking at system requirements, the only difference I see is the note about 128M minimum for your video card is not listed anymore.

Vista had gotten a bad name (I really don't care if it was earned or not, it happened) and it was shown people DID like it, if they didn't know it was Vista.

Did MS just repackage Vista, like going from win98 to winME, or is this really a new OS?

I am personally probably a year out from owning Win7, and will definately be skipping Vista altogether, either way.
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    local support

    In January my wife got herself a Pavillon with preinstalled win 7 home premium, She also acquired Norton internet security and MS office 2007.

    She is an ordinary user, an she went directly from Win XP and Office 2003 and ie7,
    She is more interestd in results and documents than the OS itself.

    She has to ask me sometimes because the UAC pops up or there is some warning.

    I say it is ok to know 10% of a systems capabilities, and use them well.

    She is very productive with it.

    /Local

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    jdclyde

    It is distressing just how much software requires Admin rights. Heck, Diablo II, a GAME, would not run if it wasn't run from an admin account.

    One more thing for MS to get blamed for, an application that HAS to run as Admin, that has an exploit in it.....

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    jdclyde

    I must have missed it, having not been around much lately. What happened for you to need another new notebook so soon?

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    jdclyde

    Thanks for writing.

    Glad that most people are able to have an intelligent conversation about this without getting into the retarded OS religion crap.

    It gets even funnier when it is MS fanboy vs MS fanboy!

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    Oz_Media

    I agree with the market approach of Vista beign compared to ME, but in actuality Vista was what ME could only hope to be. The two OS's shouldn't be compared without clarity, as Vista is a gazillion times better than the pure garbage, stripped down, headache that ME was.

    From a marketing perspective, I'd have to agree for the most part though.

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    Oz_Media

    I am not a Wondows advocate, in fact the only OS they released that I ever actually liked was XP.

    WHat I don't like is when people knowkc Windows JUST because it is WIndows and they have little hands-on knowledge but parrot the same slop that gets plastered all over the Net by other people who are simply anti-Windows.

    XP was just too insecure for me and I really didn't like yteh interface, which was nothing new as far as usability but just a new look to buttons etc. I'm sure you've heard me refer to it as the Fisher Price interface more than once.

    With Vista I too had read the slagging before actually using it myself. When it came time for a new notebook I cringed at the thought of Vista, I even had a copy of Win2KPro ready for a clean install after I played with Vista for a bit.

    But I was shocked as s*** to find out that NONE of th issues I'd read so much about were actually there. It wasn't high end, it was just a basic, over the counter, retail notebook from BestBuy. But it screamed and the new usability features were great too. Took me a little bit to find and learn the new do-dads(I never read page 2 of the manual when it comes to computing)and then had get used to using them. The end result, I couldn't say a negative word about Vista, based on how it worked in my entry level notebook anyway.

    SO teh time came again, a little faster tahn expected, new notebook time. This time it was Win7, which I had heard great things about but Vista was running great for me too.

    I now absolutely LOVE Win 7, I couldn't say enough about it, absolutely incredible! I see the improvements to Vista so now it is teh best of both worlds, XP speed with Vista security and more.

    I would gladly put my name to it that Windows 7 is by far the best desktop OS in Microsoft History.

    That's my straight take on it asnyway, perhaps others habe other issues but in almost every case I've read about Vista, it was consumer purchase errors that lead to the problems and complaints, I'm sure the same will go for WIn7 too.

    I wouldn't be concerned unless running really old hardware where drivers are not available (haven't found any myself yet, in fact I haven't manually downloaded drivers for anything, including my ODBII ScanTool.

    It seems so many peple are gung-ho on getting into 7 that the manufacturers of even obscure hardware are updatign to Win7 64 bit compatibility now.

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    ---TK---

    As this is a slightly old thread, I will reply just because its an interesting subject to me. (I have gone through some of the threads but not all...)

    I used XP, Vista Ultimate, and now I am using Win 7 64 bit. Win 7 is by far better than XP and Vista. It utilizes CPU time, manages memory better, Plug and pray is actually really good now. It has picked up all my devices out of the box and installed the correct drivers, now I went back and reinstalled Motherboard, RAID, GFX drivers b/c I wanted the latest and greatest... But the OS would have ran just fine with out them.

    A while back I did the tests xp vs vista and a tweaked vista, made all the tests public, and vista was able to keep up with xp just fine, and in some areas it was a whole lot better.

    Then I ran tests with Vista against Win 7 RC 7100, which actually showed that vista was faster, however there was some things that "screwed the pooch" on those test. It took me a few days to figure out on why vista took the cake. I was certain that win 7 would win... What I found out was that, the test on Win 7 all the 3D/2D benchmarks were removed from the end result because it "failed", which was a result of the software and Win 7 RC not playing nice... So those marks were left out of the end score, which resulted in a lower score.

    I am not trying to write a book (lol), but Win 7 does handle the hardware like a champ (for me), it does have a glitch here and there, but they are no where close to what vista was like (in the beginning). I mean what MS OS doesn't have issues?

    Was it just a repack? I don't believe so, it runs the hardware to well to be a repack. They did switch things around but the basics are the same, hot keys are mostly the same and they added a few... MS added some Eye candy (nothing like compiz but hey its MS ).

    With as much overclocking, tweaking services, Running a RAID 0, SLI, the whole 9 yards I have yet to get a BSOD, or a crash (I beat the OS to **** and back just to see what it would take). Yes I get bored at night lol... Over all, I would recommend Win 7 to anyone over all the MS OS's. If it was just another repack, they did a really good job with it...

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    jdclyde

    notice they have taken the YEAR out of the title of the OS. A lot easier to deal with delayed releases if it isn't tied to the year it is named after!

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    jdclyde

    The reason we moved from Win98 to WinXP at my former job was because of system stability, period. XP doesn't crash nearly as often as 98 did, and the saved time from users not losing their work quickly paid for the upgrade.

    There was nothing else about XP that improved the way we did business, but that was worth the price of admission.

    The average end user doesn't use the majority of the features available. All they care about is they click on a pretty picture on the desktop, and the proper application opens so they can do their jobs.

    If 2010 is a better year than 2009 was, I am hoping to have a Win7 system by summer.

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    AV .

    Its Windows ME all over again. Business didn't deploy it. It will never be the cash cow that XP or 2000 was. Companies eventually adopted XP and 2000. Not so with Vista. Its become more of a small business/home user OS.

    Vista does run acceptably if it has the proper hardware and software, but it costs money to have that. It doesn't cost any money to run XP. It still works and its still supported by Microsoft. What is the compelling reason to change?

    If Microsoft thought that Vista was so good, they wouldn't have allowed OEM's to include a downgrade CD to XP for business users. Thats a big red flag to me, especially because Windows 7 was on the horizon.

    AV

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    Fregeus

    and it came with Win7 by default. I never tried Vista because of all the bad publicity it was getting. So far, Win7 is pretty darn good. I really like it.

    If the bad publicity was warranted, then probably not. If it wasn't, then maybe. All I can tell you is that Win 7 works very well so far.



    TCB

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    jdclyde

    Well, there were a lot of driver issues, so that is a big hit against "It just works".

    The major hit on credibility was MS once again issuing minimum system requirements that are drastically understated. You would think they would have learned this lesson by now?

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    LOL

    Fregeus

    Agreed.

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    brewerj2000

    I'd say the MS took the overall look and feel of Vista and reworked the bugs.
    I bought vista when it first launched and got rid of it in 3 days. Mostly driver issues.

    Since the roll-out of SP1 for Vista, it was reinstalled and ran very good for me. I have 6 laptops at home and all of them were running Vista w/ no issues.

    Ive currently taken 3 of them over to W7. 1 on the 32 bit which runs great, and 2 over to the 64 bit. The 64 bit leaves some room to be desired, but I think the issue is more with the lack of 64bit drivers available. I see very little difference between the two OS's.

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    Oz_Media

    PEOPLE were buying systems withotu researching their needs. The class action suit against MS was dismissed by teh courts as it held mo merits as was based on too many different complaints that were not substantiated.


    It's not MS fault if manufacturer's were offering Vista Capable systems (which was CLEALY defined on their site)and expecting them to be Vista ready or run all the Aero tools that again MS clealy stated would NOT work on such hardware.

    Instead of reading industry blogs from people with an agenda and no time or interest to actually investigate something, why don't people read the actual manufacturer's information before making such false claims? If people paid attention to MS's website before makign such purchases, they'd have been easily able to identify such underpowered machines and also recognize the difference between CAPABLE and READY.

    CAPABLE merely meant that it woul run teh CORE OS, the MS website stated straight up that it wouldn't run things like Aeroglass and other user features but would mere;y enable them the added security of running Vista over XP.

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    Brenton Keegan

    I skipped vista all together. I just started using Windows 7 and I am loving it. Now provided I'm on all new hardware but I think Windows 7 is just a better operating system.

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    jdclyde

    Better than Win98? NT? XP? Why? What is it that makes Win7 better than anything?

    Please note, this is NOT a bash, I am just trying to find out from people who have "been there, done that" on WHY/WHAT is better.

    Of course, this does nothing to answer my original question of if it is just a marketing repackaging of Vista or not... ;\

    Thanks.

    jd

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    Brenton Keegan

    It's better than XP.
    I work faster when I am using Windows 7. Personally I think it utilizes hardware much more efficiently than XP. It is as advertised "snappy and responsive".


    I like the interface better than XP.

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    jdclyde

    thing came with 512M ram.

    The thing is a dog.

    This is NOT a "capable" system as it came with Vista on it, not an upgrade to it.

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    NotSoChiGuy

    While he was waiting in line, did they manicure his nails by inserting bamboo shoots underneath them, too??