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By Forum Surfer ·
I've notice alot of interesting political discussions on TR as of late. No matter whom I may have agreed or disagreed with, I have enjoyed these discussions strangely enough. So why not start another?

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/07/front2454174.1458333335.html

Israeli intelligence indicates that Iran has shipped Hamas missles that could potentially reach Tel Aviv. Hama has also been amassing troops and training said troops more intensively in the past few weeks. This could cause an already highly volitile situation to explode with worldwide ramifications. I personally don?t think the UN, US, Great Britain or any other entity can stand by and let this happen IF it becomes an extremely possible scenario. It is nothing short of an attempted extermination of the Jewish state if you ask me. I think great care needs to be taken with this matter. We (the US) need to focus our intelligence assets on this and find out the truth behind it so that we possibly negotiate a peaceful end. Although given Hamas? hatred of everyone that isn?t Hamas?I highly doubt peaceful negotiations are a viable solution. Neither is standing by watching them attack Isael.

On the other hand most of that region hates us, and they hate the Jewish state even more. If we stand up to defend them against overwhelming odds Other countries like Saudia Arabia may not look upon us in the same ?already not so friendly? way. We could lose what little ground we have to stand on in the middle east. Also, given Israel?s short fuse, they may solve the problem before the rest of the world has to deal with it. Just like when they pulled off one of the most difficult and talked about air strikes in history against Iraq:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera

That was viewed by many as the most well planned, well executed and well guarded military strikes in history.

I was just curious to see some of the TR opinions on this. Let the political flaming begin!

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Partial disagreement with this.

by DanLM In reply to Israeli Intelligence Find ...

On the other hand most of that region hates us, and they hate the Jewish state even more. If we stand up to defend them against overwhelming odds Other countries like Saudia Arabia may not look upon us in the same ?already not so friendly? way.

Remember the last occurance of Isreal and Hamas. I remember seeing discussions or articles where the other Arab nations felt that the Hamas was the greater of the 2 evils, and that these Arab nations secretly wanted Isreal to put a beating on them.

Also, Saudia Arabia is not exactly in the pom pom waving section when it comes to Iran. Iran is considered a threat also with the instability they foster in the region...

No, I don't want to see another war between the Hamas and Isreal. If anything can be done to stop it before it starts, that would be a good thing. I also think that other Arab nations feel that way also.

I don't know how this can be done though, what influence if any that the United States has that could help this defuse.(grumble, moan, btch, complain.... I really can't spell).


Dan

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Good point...

by Forum Surfer In reply to Partial disagreement with ...

One could view the Hamas is the virtual "skeleton in the closet" for Muslim nations.

As for defusing the situation. I don't think there is a fuse here to even be lit or extinguished. I think the c4 is planted and both sides are looking for detonator batteries.

I could care less about spelling...Lol, it's a forum not a spelling bee.

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I see it a little differently

by The Scummy One In reply to Good point...

Isreal pulled out of Gaza under the idea that hostilities would be minimal, however they have increased dramatically. Since they pulled out of Gaza more than 2,000 rockets have been fired from Gaza into Israel, with mostly little retaliation.

Now, I think that Israel wants nothing more than to carpet bomb a few areas, however they have refrained from this and have been trying to keep it more peaceful, however they keep being pushed into the corner and aer forced to take action(s). On the other side of the fence, all they seem to want is to cause terror. It does not matter to whom, however for now they have decided it is for Israel to be defeated. After Israel is gone, who will they start to look at? Already throughout parts of Africa and Eastern Europe seems to be affected.
Dont confuse this with 'they only want to destroy Israel', if Israel was out of the equation, they would be elsewhere. Right now this just seems to be their main priority.

But I do share your thought of "As for defusing the situation. I don't think there is a fuse here to even be lit or extinguished." I have to agree. This will turn into an all-out war soon enough. Reasons are because Israel will not leave, and Hamas wants domination(s) and Victories.

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I saw it differently with Hamas

by jdclyde In reply to Partial disagreement with ...

It seemed there were a lot of people that supported Hamas, and were gleefully making excuses for their behavior.

Hamas has a lot of people brainwashed.

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So why did the Arab nations let this war go so long

by DanLM In reply to I saw it differently with ...

And stayed so silent?

No, I'm not trying to be argutive here in the least bit jd... But, that was part of what I read... That Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordon all kept quiet about the war to give Isreal time to finish them off.

Dan

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The Anti-Isreal movement in the US

by jdclyde In reply to So why did the Arab natio ...

sure makes it hard for Isreal to step up and finish the job.

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Now that statement, I definatly do agree with. No arguments what so ever

by DanLM In reply to The Anti-Isreal movement ...

There is nothing the Isreals can do right if you listen to some in the US. I was thinking of European's also feeling that way.

Strange, the ethnic background and geographic area where it is occuring understand full well what the Hamaus is. By their silence when Isreal strikes back speaks volumes... But listen to the rest of the world, Isreal is always wrong. No matter what they do... I swear, I think there are more people in Europe and the US that want to see Isreal destroyed then there are in the middle east.

Dan

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I don't understand

by jdclyde In reply to Now that statement, I def ...

it seems the more liberal someone is, the more they want Israel whipped off the face of the earth.

Is it because they believe in God, so they must be bad?

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It's the question you dont understand JD,

by mjwx In reply to I don't understand

so you have the wrong answer. Israel isn't the problem its Zionism that attracts hostility. What you describe about the "liberals" is mainly due to the extreme polarisation of US politics, people have extreme views because they are driven away from more moderate, rational views by pre-existing extremists.

Even the less extreme Muslims speak against Zionism rather than Israel. Only the most extremist of extremists want the Jewish people themselves destroyed.

Personally I have no dislike for Israeli's (my house mates parents are Israeli) or Zionism (disagree with the concept but it doesn't affect me) or the Palestinians for that matter, although IMO they would be a lot better off with Fatah in charge (Ironic that now we regretting the death of Arafat, he left a power vacuum that Hamas filled).

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The way I look at it

by jdclyde In reply to I don't understand

If someone is attacked, they should be allowed to REMOVE all future possibilities of threat from that enemy with extreme prejudice. There is no such thing as a "reasonable" response.

Someone is threatening you or your loved ones, you don't try to wound, you empty the gun, center of mass and then reload, just in case.

That Hamas would choose to hide among women and children and then be able to play the hero for the citizens caught in the crossfire, shows the stupidity of the citizens that would fall for it.

A shame that anyone should die for the crime of being stupid.

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