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February 8, 2006 at 11:22 am #2192916
Job-hunting dilemmas: How ethical are you?
Lockedby ergdemirel · about 18 years, 2 months ago
I read one of your post about this topic which came to me a mail subscriber and I interested in it. Because I am new a graduate (Also Ms. student),I have been looking for job that I can learn something for my career(not just for gaining money!!) and I faced several problems about my job applications. I think the problem is related my CV. Most of the readers advise me to change its format. Despite I did my best. They told me,”your CV is inappropriate or insufficient”. I checked most of the career sites and compare my writing style with them. But no big difference for my case (for new graduates). The ones who advise me to change your CV, expected me to write more details about my experiences. But there is nothing more to write about me and my works. So in this case I ask you, what should I do? Should I write some lies/fiction about what I did? Please send me your messages,If you suffer from same problem or can advise me something really valuable!!
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February 8, 2006 at 12:01 pm #3092452
Whatever you do, don’t lie
by tfitzpatrick · about 18 years, 2 months ago
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It is intertesting that you ask this question because there is currently a thread going on that talks about lying on your resume and the reasons you should not do it.
Go to the Hot Discussions section and check out the thread called ‘False information on resume – ever do it?’ This will give you some good advice why you should NOT lie on your resume.
As an IT professional and one who has interviewed and hired many people, I can tell you that when I am interviewing a student, I do not expect them to have a lot of ‘real world’ experience on their resume. What I look for is someone with ambition, good problem solving skills, a team player and someone who wants to learn and grow in the job.
We have all been through what you are going through and can sympathize with your situtation. The best thing to do is have a professional look over your resume and give you some advice. There are many placement agencies that would gladly review your resume and make suggestions. Since you do not have a lot of experience to include in your resume, you will need to highlight any accomplishments at school or any jobs you may have had prior to graduation.
I hope this advice helps. Good luck with your job-hunting.
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February 8, 2006 at 12:14 pm #3092448
If you can get away with it LIE
by rush2112 · about 18 years, 2 months ago
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You may be impeached for it later, but a few more lies and a stained dress and some money under the table may make that “go away” too.
Just lie your way through life. it works for some. Why not you?
/sarcasm off
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February 13, 2006 at 2:34 am #3133708
It’s OK to stretch your knowledge, but don’t lie
by supergeek · about 18 years, 2 months ago
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You want to find a job you can grow into, but you do not want to lie about your work history. Make sure you write about what your capabilities are, but do not lie on your resume.
I have turned down jobs that stretch my credentials too much, because I could never fill the shoes they ask me to fill. I want to be able to grow into a position, but not if it requires me to learn a completely different language, or work on systems I have no idea how to manage.
Just write your resume to the job you desire to have. List all of the experience you have in this area, and tell them you have a great desire to learn more about this area. Most employers are concerned about whether you will fit into the team, not whether you can do the work. Most of us can be trained to complete the tasks required of us.
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February 13, 2006 at 12:13 pm #3091847
Get some experience -volunteer if need be!
by frwagne · about 18 years, 2 months ago
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Consider doing some unpaid ‘intern’ work, for local non-profits or charities, that would let you apply your book-learning to real world problems, with real world results. Get in some practice – it will look good on your resume, and just MIGHT get you some networking referrals to paying jobs (the folks at non-profits and charities often have connections in the world of paying jobs). Go for it!
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February 13, 2006 at 1:50 am #3133717
Embellishment is not lying or is it?
by aubietiger · about 18 years, 2 months ago
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I really hope the 2nd reply to this was just that, Sarcasm. As for TIFTZPATRICk I would wholeheartedly agree with him. As a Senior Systems Engineer myself I have been in the shoes of hiring and firing graduates. You should never lie because it will tell on you if not sooner, later. Simply lay out in your resume your education and prior experience in all jobs. What you must keep in mind, at least if you were being interviewed by myself and team members is that it does not matter if you had a job at flipping hamburgers at Disney World during the summer months, it is how well you flipped those hamburgers in those summer months. I feel that if you have demonstrated yourself over and above the scope of that easier job I am sure I can count on you during more grueling tasks that are to come. I do not hold it against a candidate for embellishing on his resume. It shows me insight and creativity. I have, in fact, laughed at some of the things I have read. Embellishing is not lying just creative thought process’s. With that said do not out and out lie. Lies are a trust killer and if I can’t trust you on simply things I certainly can’t trust you will do the right thing on more serious matters.
Good luck on your job hunting!
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February 13, 2006 at 2:17 am #3133712
Job-Hunting Dilemma
by kimreson · about 18 years, 2 months ago
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Dear TechRepublic Memeber,
You are not alone. Most fresh graduates face the same. But ther is a way out. What you need to do is to Highlight most of modules/courses covered during your course work but have relevance in your career. Also job/work done i.e. Under student work-study program, giving details of experience and skills acquired during that perion ……..
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February 13, 2006 at 4:30 am #3133688
Experience is everything
by dverlinden · about 18 years, 2 months ago
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What i’d like to point out is that experience is not ONLY what you’ve done for a job. Experience is also when you go on holiday with a group of persons that you didn’t know before and that it went allright because of your social abilities or your caracter. And that’s just an example. Experience is all what you’ve been through in your life that ex. : gave you team spirit, open minded, efficiency under stress whatever the situation was. All those little things that “doesn’t” seem to matter but that made you who you are.
David
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February 13, 2006 at 4:39 am #3133685
RE: Job-hunting dilemmas
by vrw1855 · about 18 years, 2 months ago
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Lying on your resume is defintely not the answer! If you overstate your experience it will be found out in the end. I am also a recent grad who is now in grad school. What will help you in the long run is to do some professional networking. Join associations for professionals in your career field. Got to after work networking functions. Talk to people you never know who may know someone who is in a position to hire professionals. Also you may want to utilize your school’s career center if they have one or speak to one of your professors at school for referrals and suggestions. Good Luck
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February 13, 2006 at 4:42 am #3133684
Job Hunting
by ddouglas · about 18 years, 2 months ago
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If you make something up, its going to come back and bight you in the butt.
It never fails, If you exagerate, your going to pay for it in the long run.
Honesty pays.Dan
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February 13, 2006 at 5:17 am #3133678
Stick to the truth
by hermanmd · about 18 years, 2 months ago
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I would not recommend adding non-existent experience or anything else that is not true and provable to a resume. In most organizations that I know of, this is grounds for termination.
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February 13, 2006 at 6:01 am #3133663
Don’t lie. There is a better way.
by stelian · about 18 years, 2 months ago
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I am just hiring a guy with basically no experience. He finished College last year and worked for few months as PC Technician at a computer retail store. But I see ambition and potential in him. I see that he really wants the job.
I think that you should prove these kinds of qualities, not make up experience. I have just ditched tens of experienced guys? resumes in favor of this one.
Good luck!
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February 13, 2006 at 10:12 am #3133530
Some free advice
by bg6638 · about 18 years, 2 months ago
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First and foremost, never, NEVER lie about facts on a resume! When you are found out, your resume will be deposited into the nearest trash bin, or worse can and usually will result in your immediate termination if you have been hired!
Also, IT is a mature field which has been steadily shrinking in numbers due to advances in technology and the desire of management to significantly reduce costs, i.e. outsourcing! If you have not already been in IT for at least 5 yrs with a steady advancement of responsible positions, and have a raftload of certs, I’d highly recommend that you try another field such as accounting or business management.
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February 13, 2006 at 4:34 pm #3091703
honesty is best policy
by jeffburrell · about 18 years, 2 months ago
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Never lie! It will come back to haunt you sooner or later. Take your experiences and skills and correlate them to the jobs you are applying for. Also, describe any non-IT experiences and skills you may possess that pertain to the job. These include managerial skills, customer service skills, and personal skills. Sell what you have, not what you don’t have.
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February 13, 2006 at 7:45 pm #3091635
Never wrong to tell the truth
by thunteman@gmail · about 18 years, 2 months ago
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Whatever you do, don’t put anything on a resume that you can not back up. You reputation can only be lost once…future employers really do call past employers. True, they might not be able to ask certain questions…but they can ask the simple question, “Would you hire this person if the opportunity presented itself?”
Don’t lie.
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February 13, 2006 at 8:46 pm #3091615
Same issue.
by dylan teo · about 18 years, 2 months ago
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It is the same problem for honest people. You told the truth and willing to learn but not given a chance.
Management looks for exact match in skillset forgetting the growth factor in employees. After 1 or 2 years that exact match moved on due as they get bored because there is no change from his/her last job.
I too get rejected many times because I was honest and I am still doing it. If you lie, its cheating yourself more than anyone else. Ethical value is upheld by yourself and how you see yourself in this world.
I prefer to be a fool for 5 minutes and learn than to be a fool for life by acting like a subject expert when I am not.
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February 14, 2006 at 4:47 am #3253325
may be this’ll solve your problem
by neetu_k2004 · about 18 years, 2 months ago
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firstly, in case you don’t’ve any experience you should restrict your cv to a maximum of two pages,highlight your skills,post your cv to appropriate job sites with the headline that matches your skills….above all first fix the area you want to enter into.all the best.
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February 14, 2006 at 1:47 pm #3254471
Always Be Honest with Your Experience
by careed · about 18 years, 2 months ago
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I used to work for a software company in Houston about 15 years ago. The company was going through a restructuring and layoffs were coming. We had a department that performed the ports to the various hardware platforms that we supported. Many of them were either recent graduates or soon-to-be graduates. As I understand, many of them padded their resumes to get higher salaries than what they probably deserved based on experience. The problem with this strategy is the ones in the department who didn’t get laid off were the ones who were straightforward with their experience and thus, generally made less money than the ones who lied. While you may not get caught lying directly, there are other consequences that could come back and bite you.
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February 15, 2006 at 6:49 pm #3080759
Job-hunting dilemmas
by shybush · about 18 years, 2 months ago
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My advice is to never lie or make up information. If you get caught you may suffer damage to your reputation from which you may never recover. In some cases acts of deception in job resumes have proven to be actionable by law which could result in legal action being taken against you.
Having said that there are things you can do to make your resume more attractive. Purchase a book on writing resumes, become familiar with action words, analyze every job you have ever had including volunteer work. You may find you have more experience than you think. Make sure the final product is free from any type of spelling or grammar errors. Study the different types of interviews and go to every interview with a positive attitude. Getting a job is a full time job. You are literally selling yourself to everyone you meet who may be able to help you get where you want to be.
Good Luck!
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February 18, 2006 at 8:09 am #3090791
Take help of a Reference
by dipak · about 18 years, 2 months ago
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Yes, I also faced similar problems in the beginning of my career.
Even after forty years of work I still believe, falsification does not pay in the long run.
DO NETWORKING TO CATCH HOLD OF A REFERENCE WHO CAN HELP PUSH YOU TO A GOOD ORGANISATION,PAY DOES NOT MATTER.
Once a person’s lie is caught, he looses his credibility for ever.
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by fox_iacmnf · about 16 years, 2 months ago
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