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by GoCubs In reply to Management vs. Leadership

A survey by George Barna concluded that less than 10% of people who were in "leadership" positions actually had the skills and character to lead. Funny, but as I reflect on 29 years of a variety of managers, I believe this number to be pretty much in touch with my reality. My worst management experiences have been with managers who are quite confidant managing down (those below them), but incapable of managing up -- i.e., convincing their own managers of a necessity or opportunity their team has encountered. They become rigid with the people below them, and the opportunities are missed, or more painfully, the necessity is ignored until the infrastructure begins to disintegrate. I believe true leadership determines its vision (which is founded significantly on input from those around them), and then sells that vision rather than imposing it. My best managers were leaders who were able to manage both vertically and horizontally. If there were a way to teach this, American enterprise would be unstoppable.

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by Big_Tsunami In reply to Management vs. Leadership

<p>It is indeed that many people's impression of management is that is supposed to be a homogenous group of sycophants for the leadership above them. Conflict is something that is supposed to be avoided at all costs. As a result any change agent is viewed as a non-team player.</p>

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by mikatrob In reply to Management vs. Leadership

I agree with the original letter 100% and add.
Many managers I worked with above and under mistakenly thought they had to impress everyone, take credit for others work etc.. This is seen through quickly and begins a cycle for the exit strategy often used to remove such infant managers from the misuse of power, I have seen when no exit strategy is utilized the "team" we speak of in meetings is withered to a bunch of non-productive people, I think this touches more than their work life and has greater effect than we'd like to admit. In one quest often as is the case to gain and get to the top, they do not have the ability to lead and leaders understand they do not have all the answers, that's why there is a check involved with the other persons name on it. Management may turn a blind eye to this realty but this is poor management structure and full of people who are afraid and under developed in their position.
Just my
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by ndang In reply to Management vs. Leadership

<p>"Leadership focuses on doing the right things, Management focuses on doing the things right."</p>
<p>What do you think of this statement?</p>
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by troy In reply to Management vs. Leadership

<p>I spent 11 years in the United States Marine Corps. I enlisted on my 17th birthday, and I had earned my Commission (became an officer) before I was 24. If I had not learned the true meaning of leadership in the Corps, I would not be a successful executive now. It is readily apparent those who lead versus those who manage. You manage assets and things, but people need to be lead. I cringe when I hear managers talk about people like they are simply "resources" to be moved around and consumed.


<p>More to the point of the post, it is easy for anyone to manage people below him or her in the organizational structure. These people have been give the authority to effect, and possible remove, the income of the people in their charge. But it takes a true leader to exert power from a place of lesser authority. As CIO of medium sized company, I believe my top priorities are to get my developers what they need to do their job, and most important, to isolate and protect them from the normal "friction" of corporate life and politics. To do this, I must have the backbone to push back and manage upward. It takes a lot of confidence to do this...not only in what you are pushing back on, but also in yourself and your place in the organization. </p>
<p>Until you find your backbone, the best you will ever be is a manager.</p>Regards, <br />Troy
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by chrisbuxton In reply to Management vs. Leadership

hooray at last a meaningful comment. Why is it that some people have such difficulty telling Management from Leadership. Leadership is not about simply managing resources. Leadership is about creating the environment where individuals are willing and motivated to follow your lead. You do not do this with charts and tables, you achieve this will experience and talent.

When are we going to see a discussion Talent v Certification

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by james_mckinley In reply to Management vs. Leadership

<p>Very interesting and always timely discussion thread. I also developed leadership awareness in the military as an NCO in the US Army, 82nd Airborne. Leadership is about people! In contrast to the original comments, leadership is more than managing up, it's about facing conflict head-on and doing what is right for a balanced set of goals and objectives. Understanding how to create this balance can be done through different approaches. The book "The Extraordinary Leader: Turning good managers into great leaders," is is an outstanding book with detailed insight into behaviors that, when developed, create great leadership potential. I say potential, because leadership is a choice full of challenges and change, often outside of one's comfort zone, and too often people take the easier road.</p>
<p>Leadership is more than managing up, horizontally or down: its about accountability and responsibility; leading people through change; making informed decisions that balance diverse and often conflicting goals and objectives. Leaders must exist at all levels in the organization, not just top management, for the organization to thrive in the dynamic change of the information age.</p>

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by marg_hamilton In reply to Management vs. Leadership

I believe leadership is both inate and instructed.  As a recent graduate of a Leadership program, it is a talent that can be taught. Most of us have some leadership skills and we need to learn how to use them.  I have been in leadership roles most of my working life and feel I do a fine job of it.  What I learned in this program is what my style was and tools to handle the many aspects of leadership.  I would recommend anyone to investigate a leadership program in their area. 

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by troy In reply to Management vs. Leadership

<p>I spent 11 years in the United States Marine Corps. I enlisted on my 17th birthday, and I had earned my Commission (became an officer) before I was 24. If I had not learned the true meaning of leadership in the Corps, I would not be a successful executive now. It is readily apparent those who lead versus those who manage. You manage assets and things, but people need to be lead. I cringe when I hear managers talk about people like they are simply "resources" to be moved around and consumed.


<p>More to the point of the post, it is easy for anyone to manage people below him or her in the organizational structure. These people have been give the authority to effect, and possible remove, the income of the people in their charge. But it takes a true leader to exert power from a place of lesser authority. As CIO of medium sized company, I believe my top priorities are to get my developers what they need to do their job, and most important, to isolate and protect them from the normal "friction" of corporate life and politics. To do this, I must have the backbone to push back and manage upward. It takes a lot of confidence to do this...not only in what you are pushing back on, but also in yourself and your place in the organization. </p>
<p>Until you find your backbone, the best you will ever be is a manager.</p>Regards, <br />Troy
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by Johan101 In reply to Management vs. Leadership

<p>Well if you think that is a pain you should try it the otherway round.</p>
<p>I had a manager who could only manage up properly but sucked managing down.</p>
<p>Anything I requested (that would safe the company money and do the company a lot of good) ,like swithing from multiple 56k modem dialups to a single ADSL dialup, would get denied because the is "more important projects" that the company have to give attention to ( this was the response after about 2-3 months of requests and cost calculations). Each time he "orders" me to give him the calculations and expect them within half an hour only not to give attention to it at all. 1 Week passes and when asked about it he just says he did not get to it ( while playing his fishing game) and that he wants an updated calculation on the newest tellephone bill just not to give att. to it again.</p>
<p>Eventually I had to go to the directors with my presentation and it got approved within 15 - 30 min.</p>
<p>Same with the BSA audit. even at the last day of the extension for submiting our license count and being already legal he just said that BSA must understand that "He runs a business" and that they will have to wait. Each date he gives me that he will have an aswer he is out of town on a hunting trip. luckily I secretly contacted the BSA's lawyers and requested another extension. Again eventually I went to the directors and explained what was going on and the whole 19K cost to get legal got aproved before I left their office's.</p>
<p>The sad thing is that he is so buddy-buddy with them that nothing happend to him even though he almost landed the directors in court. He is untouchable, doesn't know anything about managing personel and is just good at impressing the directors.</p>
<p>Anyway, now I am directly under the directors myself also and answers to nobody else , not even him but he still treats me like one of his employees. All the other managers complaints about this atitude of his but nothing hapens to him.</p>
<p>He is for ones and hopfully not always "teachers pet". </p>
<p>PS. If you still dont get the picture about this guy .... He even walks into peoples PRIVATE conversations in their offices just to listen to them. When they stop their conversation and leave rather than let him hear their private afairs he turns around and leave the office too to continue to what ever he was doing ( if anything).</p>
<p>He also gave one of our tax ladies so much grief just because they cant stand each other that she eventually quited. Guess who got apointed in her place? His own wife because she "has the capability to do the job" even though she has NO tax knowledge. Eventually the Tax manager went to the directors and told them that if she does not get removed from her department that she is quiting. Luckily for her that managers wife was moved to reception where she initialy could not do the work either but got the hang of it now. As you can guess the tax department still get grief to this day.......</p>
<p>Anyway, advise from my peers will be apreciated with this guy who is literary longer in this company than anybody else or the furniture.</p>
<p>Johan</p>
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