General discussion
-
CreatorTopic
-
September 12, 2008 at 12:36 pm #2153164
Obama misspoke.. or did he?
Lockedby protiusx · about 15 years, 6 months ago
When one speaks off the cuff it is usually done openly and without guile. When one is speaking the truth one does not hesitate in their responses. Barak Obama did not hesitate when he spoke about his Muslim faith. I believe this is because his faith is based on a history of being raised as a Muslim and then being immersed into “Black Liberation Theology” as a young adult.
Do I believe Obama is a Muslim? In part yes. His father is a Muslim, his grandfather is a Muslim and (from what I?ve read) he attended Muslim schools as a young child. Additionally, being immersed in the “Black Liberation Theology” movement for so many years he cannot credibly call himself a Christian as that movement does not identify itself with the tenets of Christianity.
Does this remove him as a viable candidate for President?
As a matter of opinion I would have to say no.The United States of America is inherently a secular nation. We are a country that was founded on religious freedom and the first amendment to our constitution forbids the government from making any law restricting the free expression of any religion (The fact that a decidedly liberal judiciary has decided to interpret that part of the constitution exactly opposite to the clear language it is was written in is a topic for a whole other discussion).
My point is: He should not disavow a particular part of his past, his religiosity or his makeup to appease certain voters. He is who he is, and he should not try to paint himself as something he is not all for a few votes.
There are certain ideologies and belief systems that are at their very heart prejudiced and racist. Does Sharia Law identify everyone (both man and woman, or the believer and the infidel) equally? Does the Black Liberation Theology movement promote inter-racial peace and harmony? Ultimately, I am saying that a president must firstly consider themselves an American above all other things. A president should not consider themselves a “Black-American” or an “Asian-American” first as this presupposes another ideology before that of the American. I want a president who will think of America first!
Note – I’ve changed this from its original posting in an effort to clarify my intended supposition.
Edited ? Corrected the amendment mistake. See what happens when I type really fast!
Topic is locked -
CreatorTopic
All Comments
-
AuthorReplies
-
-
September 12, 2008 at 12:57 pm #2799479
Inheritance
by gate keeper · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Obama misspoke.. or did he?
“Do I believe Obama is a Muslim? In part yes. His father is a Muslim, his grandfather is a Muslim and (from what I?ve read) he attended Muslim schools as a young child.”
——————————————–
let me correct a misunderstanding here:being a Muslim is not hereditary i.e your father and his father for 100 generations might have been Muslims … it does not automatically make you a Muslim.
as far as I know most major religions are the same .. you are not born into a religion you choose.
what in your opinion does Obama have to do or say to be accepted by you to be a christian ?
-
September 12, 2008 at 2:36 pm #2799442
Conversion
by protiusx · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Inheritance
I am not suggesting that one?s religion is based on one?s parentage. What I am saying is that it is far more likely that a person who is raised in a family and a culture that espouses a certain religion tends to conform to those ways. More specifically, I was stating that there are fundamental lessons one learns at a very young age that tend to guide or influence ones decisions throughout the rest of their lives.
It is not for me to say whether someone is a Christian or not. However, there lacks a clear understanding today in America what it means to be a ?Christian?.
To be a Christian one must believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God, is God, is born of a virgin, died on the cross, rose from the dead three days later and did so to pay for our sin and to be the ONLY conduit to salvation. One cannot work one?s way into heaven. It is a gift that must be received.Black Liberation Theology is a political movement garbed in the raiment of a religion.
-
September 12, 2008 at 2:47 pm #2799441
Puuuulease
by ic-it · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Conversion
How ingrained do you think it could be from a father whom by all accounts did not practice it? Obama went to a school that had Muslims present, he also went to a Catholic school. Do you think he may be a closet Catholic?
The BLT thing was wrapped in Christianity.
And Elvis is really dead. 😉 -
September 14, 2008 at 6:34 pm #2798511
What?!
by jiminpa · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Puuuulease
But he was just at my uncle’s wedding in August and he looked so healthy. Something must have happened to him when he left the building. 😀
-
September 13, 2008 at 8:19 am #2799823
Two errors
by delbertpgh · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Conversion
You say, “I am not suggesting that one?s religion is based on one?s parentage. What I am saying is that it is far more likely that a person who is raised in a family and a culture that espouses a certain religion tends to conform to those ways.”
You are suggesting, unmistakably, that he’s a Muslim. Once a Muslim, always a Muslim. His father was over the hill by the time he was two, and his mother, though an atheist, was the product of a Christian family. He was raised for many years in the home of that family, and got a Christian upbringing. He attends an enthusiastically fundamentalist church as an adult. I’d say that if he picked up unerasable religious tendencies as a child, they were Christian. I see no reason to doubt his Christian identity, only coincidence falsly presented as evidence.
Your other core issue, “Black Liberation Theology”, does not figure anywhere in his background. Possibly you are drawing a line connecting the pastor of his former church (the goofy Rev. Wright) and Marxist Caribbean priests? There’s zero evidence.
-
September 13, 2008 at 8:47 am #2799808
Delbert
by santeewelding · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Two errors
You introduce error into a context of the unerasable. You step on like thin ice.
-
September 14, 2008 at 8:45 pm #2798492
It was directly from his mentor
by jdclyde · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Two errors
Wright said as much in interviews that is his teachings.
Obama was right there, until it was not politically advantageous anymore.
-
September 14, 2008 at 11:21 pm #2798469
Mentor?
by mr stumper · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to It was directly from his mentor
Being a member of a local church is paramount to making the preacher a “mentor”?
Tell me who your pastor is so that I can get transcripts and dessiminate every single word that your mentor says!
Seriously, what about all the pandering the loony right (Bush, McCain, Reagan) does to the fanatical evangelists?
-
September 15, 2008 at 7:27 am #2798378
Obamas own words, or weren’t you paying attention?
by jdclyde · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Mentor?
It was Obama that used that label until it came out what a racist git he really is. I know it has been over 3 days since Obama said it, but try to keep up.
You can make excuses all you want, changes nothing.
You can try saying someone else is just as bad, reflects pathetically upon you, and changes nothing.
Obama talks about his religion more than any other politician, past or present, that I can think of. Heck, even the “rev” Sharpton and “rev” jackson don’t talk about religion as much.
-
September 16, 2008 at 2:29 pm #2781415
Own words…
by mr stumper · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Obamas own words, or weren’t you paying attention?
Yours: Oh, we shouldn’t discriminate against Mormons? It is only the Muslims that you are not ALLOWED to talk negatively about.
Also yours: You can try saying someone else is just as bad, reflects pathetically upon you, and changes nothing.
I’m sorry that you consider yourself “pathetic”. You should really do something about that self-loathing issue you have. It’s really not healthy.
In any case, I looked and could not find a single transcript or video showing Obama referring to Wright as his Mentor. I found tons of quotes of people saying Obama said “Mentor” but no direct quotes.
If you can post one (again, an unedited transcript or video) then I will happily admit that I’m wrong. If not, I’ll just assume that it’s just another right wing wacko talking point.
Besides, you should keep up, didn’t you know the newest scare tactic is that Obama wants to teach sex-ed to kindergarteners? THAT’s what you are supposed to be talking about now, or didn’t you get the memo?
-
September 17, 2008 at 1:15 pm #2788089
Why bother?
by jdclyde · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Obamas own words, or weren’t you paying attention?
You have taken on the debate tactics of pee wee herman, and not looking to discuss or be open to anything.
“councils me”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpzHQ_PC1uI&feature=related“like an uncle”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP2K4Lhas2o&feature=relatedYeah, it was a real surprise to Obama after 20 years. Got a bridge to sell you….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXNk5OVLm4k&feature=related
And of course that is before we even take into consideration about his white grandma who avoided black youths based upon their being black, was a “typical white person”.
-
September 17, 2008 at 4:40 pm #2791435
This is ridiculous
by mr stumper · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Obamas own words, or weren’t you paying attention?
First of all there is no mention of the word ?mentor?, no wonder I couldn?t find anything. Get your facts straight.
Secondly, Obama kept referring to Wright as his Pastor who ?like an uncle?, ?counseled? him on taught him about Christianity when he was younger, which is exactly what a Pastor should do. Obama never even implied that Wright has any affect on his political views, nor councils him on politics in any way. It is people like you and the ?liberal media?, who are trying to spin this into a political issue. I wonder why the ?liberal media? isn?t going after McCain/Palin as viciously?
Also, your mention of Obama?s grandmother is another cute little spin on what Obama really meant. Which is that good people who are not necessarily racist can still harbor stereotypical views. Honestly, from many of your own comments, it sounds like he could have been talking about you, JD.
Seriously, you should learn to think for yourself instead of parroting RNC talking points. I realize, while you may not, that the tactic is to continually repeat the same thing over and over again until it becomes ?fact?, but free thinking people will simply be turned away from those using such tactics. It really is getting to the point where people are catching on to the RNC below the belt tactics and are being turned off by it. Even Rove has figured this out.
You know, if I were as brain-washed as you I could twist statements and fact to state that Palin hates jews, Bush is in league with Bin Laden, McCain is a admitted war criminal and Limbaugh goes to the Dominican Republic to have sex with underage prostitutes. I?ve actually heard wackos say such things, with twisted documentation ?backing? it up, but I would never believe them, nor repeat them with serious intent because I have more respect for myself than that.
Keep you ear open for that newest talking point to spread around!
-
September 17, 2008 at 7:49 pm #2791382
RE: This is ridiculous
by netman1958 · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Obamas own words, or weren’t you paying attention?
“I wonder why the ?liberal media? isn?t going after McCain/Palin as viciously?”
Excuse me?
They call Palin a Christian fanatic/lunatic/extremist
because they heard she once bought a copy of Neil Diamond’s “Brother Love’s Travelling Salvation Show”Give me a break.
-
September 17, 2008 at 10:17 pm #2791361
Netman, which media outlet?
by mr stumper · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Obamas own words, or weren’t you paying attention?
Called “Palin a Christian fanatic/lunatic/extremist
because they heard she once bought a copy of Neil Diamond’s “Brother Love’s Travelling Salvation Show””Was it ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, CNN, MSNBC or FOX?
You seriously cannot tell me that McCain/Palin have been grilled as much as Obama. Of course Palin has had only one interview so far…’cause she’s in “media” boot camp right now, learning how to interview. And McCain has only received softball questions.
No questions regarding the Keating five, Rod Parsley (personally think this is about as stupid as the whole Wright thing), or the fact that this maverick’s campaign, who keeps talking about “change”, is filled with lobbyists for the Oil companies. Or how about the fact that he flipped flopped on the state of the economy not 48 hours ago, or how he stated that those running failed companies should give up their “golden parachutes” but has not asked HIS OWN ADVISOR, Fiorina to give back her 40 million golden parachute for screwing up HP!
Answer me that batman!
-
September 18, 2008 at 7:40 am #2791219
Mr. Stumper
by netman1958 · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Obamas own words, or weren’t you paying attention?
Actually I was making a snide remark in an attempt to demonstrate how silly and ridiculous some of the attacks that have come from BOTH camps really are. In reality though, Palin has been attacked and accused of being a Christian zealot in reference to a video of her addressing a graduating class at Wasilla Assembly of God. See this article for an example:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html“You seriously cannot tell me that McCain/Palin have been grilled as much as Obama.”
Are you kidding? Which of those media outlets you listed do you watch/read? Maybe you just see what you want to see.“No questions regarding the Keating five, Rod Parsley (personally think this is about as stupid as the whole Wright thing),…..”
If you haven’t already done so, you might want to take a look at this website:
http://www.factcheck.org/I think you will find that there has been plenty of crap coming from both camps. The whole thing disgusts me.
-
September 15, 2008 at 8:34 am #2798346
This is so lame
by delbertpgh · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to It was directly from his mentor
Your priest says something, so it’s the same thing as you saying it? Unbelievable.
-
September 15, 2008 at 12:35 pm #2783672
This is lamer
by jdclyde · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to This is so lame
If I hold someone up to the world, and say they have been the biggest influence in my life and have shaped my spirituality, (as Obama did) then yes, his views ARE relevant.
You can make all the excuses you want.
You can overlook anything that you dislike if you want.
This man was held up as the single biggest influence, mentor, and friend for decades, of Obama. Are you going to TRY to say Obama isn’t a lying punk for pretending to not know what a hateful racist git the man is?
Could one of your friends be so hateful, and you not realize it for decades? No.
Silly me, I always forget that for a Democrat, character is not a trait that is valued.
-
September 15, 2008 at 12:49 am #2798454
You see no reason to doubt his Christianity
by oz_media · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Two errors
I agree.
I also see no reason to judge his ability to be a political leader, of a country that does not discriminate based on religon, because of his religious convictions.
The whole concept is hypocritically flawed.
-
September 13, 2008 at 1:19 pm #2799724
Completely 100% incorrect
by jmgarvin · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Conversion
“I am not suggesting that one?s religion is based on one?s parentage.”
Yes, yes you are. You are implying that since he had a father who was Muslim, that Obama therefore, MUST be Muslim.
“What I am saying is that it is far more likely that a person who is raised in a family and a culture that espouses a certain religion tends to conform to those ways.”
In that case Obama is a Catholic or Christian. He was raise by his mother, who by all accounts, was not very religious and raised by his grandparents who were Catholic.
So, does that mean Obama is a Muslim Catholic Christian?
“It is not for me to say whether someone is a Christian or not.”
Nice try Sean Hannity. You are clearly implying that he is NOT Christian. It’s insulting to my intelligence to state otherwise.
“Black Liberation Theology is a political movement garbed in the raiment of a religion. ”
I don’t even think I want to touch this with a ten foot pole.
Let me summarize what you’ve said: “Unless someone believe exactly as I do, they are not Christian.”
-
September 15, 2008 at 1:01 pm #2783654
His father’s influence
by protiusx · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Completely 100% incorrect
Okay, let me be as clear as I possibly can for you. Generally, one tends to identify with the precepts (both religious and social)learned from one’s parents. Notice I said GENERALLY.
If we are going to have a discussion on what a Christian is we really should have a common understanding of what we both “think” a Christian is. I mean do you think someone who does NOT believe in the divinity of Christ is a Christian? How about someone who thinks that there are loads of gods and Christ is one of them? Is that person a Christian? I was merely trying to provide some context as to what is conclusively agreed upon as what a Christian is. There are a lot of Christian’s who disagree with one another on tenets of faith but they ALL believe in the common underpinnings of the Christian faith. -
September 13, 2008 at 1:49 pm #2799717
OK, now a question for you
by nicknielsen · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Conversion
[i]To be a Christian one must believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God, is God, is born of a virgin, died on the cross, rose from the dead three days later and did so to pay for our sin and to be the ONLY conduit to salvation.[/i]
If that’s what you must do to be a Christian, what must you do to be Christian?
-
September 15, 2008 at 12:19 pm #2783674
Doing is a lot harder than being :) (nt)
by tonythetiger · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to OK, now a question for you
.
-
September 15, 2008 at 5:04 pm #2783576
Amen!
by nicknielsen · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Doing is a lot harder than being :) (nt)
Imagine how much better things could be if more people were doing instead of just being.
-
September 13, 2008 at 2:25 pm #2799707
Lack of clear understanding what it means to be christian
by tony hopkinson · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Conversion
Yeah me too.
Every time I talk to one, they say something different than the last one.
-
September 13, 2008 at 3:39 pm #2800368
Not unique.
by charliespencer · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Lack of clear understanding what it means to be christian
I have the same problem with members of most religions, but it doesn’t mean they’re unfit (or fit) for elected office.
-
September 14, 2008 at 2:44 am #2800125
No the only thing that should bar someone from
by tony hopkinson · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Not unique.
that is a desire to be in public office.
-
September 14, 2008 at 5:36 pm #2798532
You mean we shouldn’t discriminate!!?? BLASPHEMY!
by jmgarvin · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to No the only thing that should bar someone from
You mean let in the poor, or non Protestant, or those that aren’t white, or those that aren’t male!!??
Looking at this current election, you are wrong…we can’t let them there MUSLIMS in office!!!
-
September 14, 2008 at 8:47 pm #2798491
Oh, we shouldn’t discriminate against Mormons?
by jdclyde · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to You mean we shouldn’t discriminate!!?? BLASPHEMY!
oh wait, it is still politically allowed to go after them. Silly me.
It is only the Muslims that you are not ALLOWED to talk negatively about.
-
September 14, 2008 at 9:12 pm #2798489
Wasn’t a Mormon running for President? :-)
by jmgarvin · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to You mean we shouldn’t discriminate!!?? BLASPHEMY!
Race, creed, religion, fart smell, amount of money in he bank, or sexual preference should never enter into the equation…
Unless of course they’re Mormon (that’s what the MSM told me) 😉
-
September 15, 2008 at 7:31 am #2798376
It does show the hypocrisy, doesn’t it?
by jdclyde · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to You mean we shouldn’t discriminate!!?? BLASPHEMY!
I would trust a Mormon before I would trust a Muslim, if I were to have to vote by religion.
Good thing that will not come to a vote, huh? Let the people trying to distract from any real points continue worrying about the religion of each.
If people waste their time attacking Obama the muslim, they distract from attacking Obama the Marxist for change. America is a great country, but he will “change” that, and all you will be left with is “change” in your pocket when he is done taxing.
-
September 15, 2008 at 8:25 am #2798349
Why the mis-direction
by ic-it · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to You mean we shouldn’t discriminate!!?? BLASPHEMY!
of only change in your pocket.
That has been dispelled in numerous postings. With Obama’s tax plan the average middle class taxpayer will gain about 5%. With McCain’s it is about 3%.
Now Greenspan has gone on record stating that McCains plan Will bankrupt America unless huge cuts in Federal spending are inacted (like that is going to happen). McCains plan will cost us about 3.3 trillion dollars in deficet.
So it would be more accurate to say McCain’s plan will leave us with only change (or lint) in the pocket. 😉 -
September 15, 2008 at 8:52 am #2798335
Why don’t you comment
by jdclyde · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to You mean we shouldn’t discriminate!!?? BLASPHEMY!
on the free pass being muslim gets while mormon equaled license to kill?
-
September 15, 2008 at 9:26 am #2798322
Because he isn’t Muslim, also
by ic-it · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to You mean we shouldn’t discriminate!!?? BLASPHEMY!
who says a Muslim gets more of a free pass than a Morman? The right wing will attack a candidate from either of those faiths.
Side stepping the tax comments? Hmm.
-
September 15, 2008 at 9:45 am #2798312
RE: Side stepping the tax comments
by netman1958 · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to You mean we shouldn’t discriminate!!?? BLASPHEMY!
Actually, according to this article:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_obama.html
Obama’s plan might be a little better than McCain’s but they both leave a lot to be desired. After you read this article you might want to go to the home page
where there are numerous articles that debunk stuff that have come from both camps.
-
September 15, 2008 at 10:02 am #2798300
JD, Mormons, hypocrisy
by delbertpgh · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to You mean we shouldn’t discriminate!!?? BLASPHEMY!
Quote, “Oh, we shouldn’t discriminate against Mormons?
oh wait, it is still politically allowed to go after them. Silly me.”You sure ain’t talking about Democrats. You might wish you were, but that wasn’t who unfairly circulated prejudicial judgements against ole Mitt. I guess if you’re a Republican, you maybe managed to discriminate against Mitt and the Mormons. It was Republican hillbilly voters who were busy circulating the story that Mormonism is a “cult” instead of a religion. And it sure wasn’t Democrats who voted Romney down in those Republican primaries.
I actually didn’t mind Romney as a Presidential possibility, that is until I saw him run for the office. As governor, he was a moderate (translate to Republican-speak: “extreme liberal”) who took balanced positions and tried to deliver good government. As a candidate, though, he tried to run to the right of Cheney while sounding dumber than Bush, apparently believing these were the necessary qualities to attract what has turned out to be the Palin constituency.
Hmm… maybe if he wore his hair in a bun and shot moose, he’d have gotten further.
-
September 15, 2008 at 11:11 am #2783688
After listening to Obama and his plans
by jdclyde · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to You mean we shouldn’t discriminate!!?? BLASPHEMY!
his many redistribution plans are going to as he said “hurt” people.
Like was discussed a few months ago, his plan to have a tax paid to go to other nations, run by the UN. If individuals want to donate to other countries, let them do so. I don’t think obama should be wasting my money over seas worrying about their poor when people are hurting plenty here, thanks to jobs being sent overseas, and sucking money out of our economy and sending it to other nations that will sell us oil, laughing that we are to stupid do use our own. They are laughing all the way to the bank, as we sell future generations down the river.
Obama will never get my vote.
-
September 15, 2008 at 12:09 pm #2783677
are you for real ?
by gate keeper · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to You mean we shouldn’t discriminate!!?? BLASPHEMY!
JD are you just trying to score a cheap point here .. or do you seriously believe
“It is only the Muslims that you are not ALLOWED to talk negatively about.”
let me remind you …. this whole thread and this topic revolves around obama allegedly being a Muslim … as if that is enough to disqualify him from running for office.That is the underlying message here is it not …Obama is a Muslim therefore not fit to run for office ?
I can drag up threads in TR .. where Muslim-bashing love fest was being held.
forget talking about Muslims negatively it is no longer even politically incorrect to outright racially disparage them as a whole.
-
September 15, 2008 at 12:30 pm #2783673
Egad. Is this your brain on drugs, or what?
by delbertpgh · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to You mean we shouldn’t discriminate!!?? BLASPHEMY!
“After listening to Obama and his plans
his many redistribution plans are going to as he said “hurt” people. Like was discussed a few months ago, his plan to have a tax paid to go to other nations, run by the UN.”Usually, I find people confine their delusions to something that can fit on a bumper sticker, but that doesn’t fit you. You’re the total package. You’re running down the fantasy highway in a 409. Go, Speed Racer! Not that I’m suggesting you’re Japanese, of course. If you were, you might start voting against yourself.
-
September 15, 2008 at 12:37 pm #2783670
Gatekeeper, not talking on TR
by jdclyde · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to You mean we shouldn’t discriminate!!?? BLASPHEMY!
talking out in the real world, in the mass media.
Now that we are all on the same page, care to try again?
-
September 15, 2008 at 1:28 pm #2783648
:) JD what are you on ?
by gate keeper · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to You mean we shouldn’t discriminate!!?? BLASPHEMY!
… whatever it is .. can i have some …cuz it must be some strong sh!t
let me get this right .. you a think TR (a community of educated professionals) are prejudiced against Muslims.. but people out in the real world .. treat them with kiddy gloves.
How many people do you know that hold all Muslims accountable for 9/11 ?
cuz i know literally dozens … and that’s not even south of the border .. I imagine the number would be much greater.
————————————–
EDITI just came across these words of yours .. in this thread
“Thanks to media coverage
to most people, muslim equals subjugation of women, beheading of anyone they disagree with, and an orgy in heaven if you kill the infidels.” -jdclydeit appears you were just playing dumb after all
care to try again ?
-
September 16, 2008 at 5:20 am #2783426
I know this is difficult
by jdclyde · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to You mean we shouldn’t discriminate!!?? BLASPHEMY!
I am not sure if it is an inability to comprehend on your part, a poor job of communicating on my part, or a combination of them. I suspect people reading what they want to see in other peoples writings, combined with personal blind spots has made this calm attempt on my part to explain, a waste of time.
Since you don’t understand or agree with what I am saying, you can go ahead thinking I am doped up or mentally deficient if it gets you through the day. I give.
-
September 16, 2008 at 5:38 am #2783421
Del, actually
by jdclyde · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to You mean we shouldn’t discriminate!!?? BLASPHEMY!
this was based upon listening to him talk in the DNC debates and during the primary’s.
Not from blogs, or any outside source, but listening directly to the man, back when he and Hilary were debating “free” healthcare and such.
If you choose to not hear what he is saying, when he says it, that is your choice.
-
September 22, 2008 at 8:25 am #2783860
For me personally
by stepmonster · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to No the only thing that should bar someone from
For me personally, I want a president that hits his knees in prayer every time a huge decision hits his desk. Daily! I want him praying to the ONLY God. It’s a Christian nation, based on the Right to LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, regardless of who lives here now.
Yes, my way – or it’s wrong. Correct. Why? Because the Bible tells me so.
-
September 22, 2008 at 9:03 am #2783841
One question.
by charliespencer · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to For me personally
How do you know the Bible is correct?
-
September 15, 2008 at 12:44 am #2798456
However, there lacks a clear understanding today in America what it means t
by oz_media · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Conversion
[i]However, there lacks a clear understanding today in America what it means to be a ?Christian?. [/i]
and
However, there lacks a clear understanding today in America what it means to be a ?Muslim?.
-
September 15, 2008 at 7:39 am #2798375
Thanks to media coverage
by jdclyde · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to However, there lacks a clear understanding today in America what it means t
to most people, muslim equals subjugation of women, beheading of anyone they disagree with, and an orgy in heaven if you kill the infidels.
Maybe the liberal medias excessively biased coverage of Iraq is starting to back fire, huh? Instead of scaring Americans out of Iraq, it has painted the extremists as crazy people.
Is there any wonder people would be uncomfortable with a muslim leader?
-
September 15, 2008 at 9:45 am #2798310
You can’t blame the media all the time
by oz_media · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Thanks to media coverage
I agree that it is the media that has blown things out of propotion and that they constantly miguide the public.
However, this also illustrates the blatant stupidity of most people to not question and investigate news. It is OUR jobs as citizens to seek out more information and confirm or reject such BS from the media.
It’s as bad as people who listen to political jargon and use it to vote.
People need to take responsibility for their own actions, and that includes questioning media news, questioning the government and building an opinion based on research, proper research.
People don’t question the government, this blows my mind because it is our jobs to question our leaders and hold them accountable for government action/inaction.
It is out duty to make sure the press is scrutinized so as to keep THEM in line.
The reason the press gets away with this Enquirer style reporting is because nobody really questions it. If it was held under a microscope, they would be more incluned to report truth and retain integrity as a news source.
If it is on CNN, many people believe anything they say, however the same goes for all other biased sources (thank God for SNOPES), its just a matter of finding one that lies by telling you what you WANT to hear.
In the end I keep coming back to the same thing; the more people I meet, the more I respect the bear I saw in the woods this weekend, what a smart bugger to just get on with his life and ignore the ridiculous world around him. Compared to wildlife, our so called advanced culture is quite simple and rather stupid.
As Freddy Mercury said:
“If there’s a god up in the sky,looking down,
what must he think of, what we’ve done
to the world that he created.”Sometimes its embarassing to be human, I get these feelings when I return from a trip and see just how in tune and synchronized the rest of the world’s natural creatures are.
We are just a bunch of buffoons who think we are an advanced civilization, what a laugh that is.
Mankind is like cancer to the world, it did much better without us and will do much better again, once we are all gone.
-
September 15, 2008 at 10:55 am #2783695
That’s why the MSM hates bloggers and independent sites
by jmgarvin · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to You can’t blame the media all the time
The MSM hates thinks like FactCheck.org and the blogosphere (blech…I can’t believe I just used that term).
Finally, we’re seeing people take power BACK and find out what is really happening in the election process.
-
September 15, 2008 at 11:06 am #2783690
There used to be a time
by jdclyde · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to That’s why the MSM hates bloggers and independent sites
when the media was seen as the watchdog of government, until they found it was to their advantage to control instead of report.
“reporters” are a dead breed, and left in their place are opinionists.
Unfortunately, there are so many whackjobs blogging as well…. 🙁
We are left with such a horrible selection because this is who the media put up for us. It was MEDIA coverage of Mit that knocked him out of the running and put one of the weakest candidates up there. This makes it less likely for him to win, and if he does, he is a lot more liberal in many of his views, so it is still a win, while the rest of us all lose.
-
September 15, 2008 at 1:03 pm #2783652
What are they supposed to do?
by tonythetiger · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to You can’t blame the media all the time
[i]However, this also illustrates the blatant stupidity of most people to not question and investigate news.[/i]
Turn to another channel and watch THEIR news?
Read blogs?
Who CAN you (we) trust?
-
September 16, 2008 at 1:09 pm #2781461
There is no single source anymore
by oz_media · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to What are they supposed to do?
BUT, just as we find here, you hear a story and see who else has reported it (not just reposted the same story and credited the first writer). When yuo find siz or seven credible sources that all say the same thing in a different way or in their own words from their own reports, its a good indication of consistency and credibility.
If you find ONE story that counters or corrects the point, thne you have some real diggint ot do, find out which story has credibility or is basked by facts that can be confirmed. Just as a reporter does his homework, so must we.
No we will not always get the correct idea but it certaionly beats taking CNN verbatim or any others for that matter. I find many people will instantly discount a source, just becaiuse of the source. Regardless of who said it or how often they are wrong, there is always SOME truth in it but we must disect what is said, who said it and try to determine WHY it was said.
All I am saying is don’t rely on a single news source for your news. I hear a story and then instantly jump online and start looking into it and trying to confirm or deny it, whereas I find others that say “ahh, it’s CNN they are full of crap” and they never look any further. But what if it actually IS true and yet the instant bias refuses to let you see the truth?
As they say on the X Files, “the truth is out there.”
-
September 24, 2008 at 1:44 pm #2802348
All the truth about human being !
by danfrancie · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to You can’t blame the media all the time
OZ, that’s what i think about human being when i consider all things he have accomplished in this earth and therefore think he is an advanced civilizated being. Personnaly i don’t thing we (human being) are superior to other creatures on this earth.
“Compared to wildlife, our so called advanced culture is quite simple and rather stupid”, anything else.
I recommandto WHOM think the opposite to just take time to look at other creatures and their life and to self mirroid in clean water. “unfortunately”, we can’t try this because there’s no logner clean water in this earth! -
September 25, 2008 at 6:54 am #2803103
Christian Prejudgice?
by philipyandel · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Conversion
“Black Liberation Theology is a political movement garbed in the raiment of a religion.” I think the same could be said about the right-wing fundamental evangelican Christian movement that tries to force it’s morality and religious views upon the rest of the American people.
BTW – How many Muslims do you have daily contact with that helped you to base your opinion of their religion on?
-
September 25, 2008 at 9:34 am #2803052
Philip, you’re wasting your time.
by charliespencer · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Christian Prejudgice?
ProtiusX is what we call a ‘seagull poster’. He flies in, squawks a lot, s#!ts on everything, and then leaves. He’s responded to only two questions since starting this love-fest and is not expected to return to defend any of his near-indefensible positions. He couldn’t find a Muslim if you dropped him in Mecca.
-
-
September 13, 2008 at 2:23 pm #2799708
Muslim, Christian, or other
by the scummy one · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Inheritance
why does it matter? Can he or can he not do the job?
-
September 15, 2008 at 12:49 pm #2783659
He can not
by protiusx · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Muslim, Christian, or other
In my opinion, I would say he can not.
-
September 15, 2008 at 1:04 pm #2783651
So what does his religion have to do with anything?
by charliespencer · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to He can not
Can you say why you think he cannot, without invoking his religious beliefs, regardless of what they may be?
-
September 15, 2008 at 3:14 pm #2783614
What happened to you leaving TR?
by jmgarvin · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to He can not
I thought you were taking your toys and going home?
-
September 15, 2008 at 4:56 pm #2783582
Move along, buddy; I’m working this side of the street. (No text)
by charliespencer · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to What happened to you leaving TR?
:p
-
September 16, 2008 at 1:47 pm #2781436
NEVER! I’m going to steal your thunder! ;-) NT
by jmgarvin · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Move along, buddy; I’m working this side of the street. (No text)
NT
-
September 16, 2008 at 3:55 pm #2781393
Steal my thunder?
by charliespencer · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Move along, buddy; I’m working this side of the street. (No text)
Pull my finger and you can have it for free.
-
September 17, 2008 at 11:33 am #2788155
*pulls Palmetto’s finger*
by jmgarvin · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Move along, buddy; I’m working this side of the street. (No text)
Oh, it smells like carrots and throw up. Oh, that could gag a maggot. I smell like hot sick. Ass and a dead carcasss. Oh, even stink would say that stinks. You know when you go in an apartment building and you smell other peoples cooking on each floor, and you go “what are they cookin?” That plus crap.
-
September 17, 2008 at 4:52 pm #2791427
Would it knock a buzzard off a garbage truck at 50 meters?
by charliespencer · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to *pulls Palmetto’s finger*
Did the EPA declare the immediate area a Super Fund clean-up site? Did a new hole open in the ozone layer? Did it smell like at least six other people should feel better after that one? Did wine glasses shatter and small children faint, scarred for life? Did it smell like an opossum crawled up in me about three days ago and then died, an opossum with a wharf rat already three days old up inside it?
My work is done here.
-
September 17, 2008 at 8:48 pm #2791374
Not quite
by santeewelding · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to *pulls Palmetto’s finger*
Did it make a freight engine jump the tracks and take a dirt road?
-
September 16, 2008 at 1:10 pm #2781460
Yeah but nobody else would play either
by oz_media · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to What happened to you leaving TR?
So it’s back to TR again.
-
-
September 25, 2008 at 6:51 am #2803105
Why the Prejudgice Against Muslims?
by philipyandel · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Inheritance
First, I have to say that I am absolutely surprized that normally rational adults turn into superstitious children when it comes to Islam and Muslims. Why do you feel that being a Muslim would be abad thing? Just because some Muslim fanatics have gone off their med’s and declared war against everything non-muslim, in direct conflict with the teachings of Islam, we put every Muslim into that same category as those nuts. How about the fanatical right-wing conservative Christians and some of the strange views they hold when viewed by people outside of their religious circles?
Second, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Mr Obama is now or ever has been a Muslim. I hope that makes the paranoid among you feel better now. And in order calm for fears of xenophobes, he has had to make it a point to show that he is a mainstream Christian, even though his religion is not an issue that we should be using to decide who will lead our country.
Having been involved in the fundemental, evangelical right-wing Christian movement for many years, now that I am out of it, those that cling to it scare me far more than any muslim ever can.
-
-
September 12, 2008 at 1:10 pm #2799474
So wait….
by jmgarvin · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Obama misspoke.. or did he?
Because Obama’s father was a Mulsim, who wasn’t even in Obama’s life, that makes Obama a Muslim?
I thought we’d be through all this about six months ago and it was a agreed this was backwards thinking.
-
September 12, 2008 at 1:25 pm #2799467
hey jm
by jck · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to So wait….
I gave him this:
http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/11/12/obama_has_never_been_a_muslim_1.php
That all disspells the myth. QED 😀
-
-
September 12, 2008 at 1:19 pm #2799470
on sharia
by gate keeper · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Obama misspoke.. or did he?
“There are certain ideologies and belief systems that are at their very heart prejudiced and racist. Does Sharia Law identify everyone (both man and woman, or the believer and the infidel) equally?”
———————————————
for example you single out sharia law as racist or prejudice … no doubt you will come out with examples of sharia law with regards to homosexuality, infidels,heretic etc.sharia law is based upon the same abrahamic laws that you can find in the Talmud and the Bible … all three hold the exact same positions with regards to many things homosexuality,disbelievers aka infidels aka heretic.
from an objective theological point of view there is not a big difference between them.
unless you are railing against religion in general from the point of view of an atheist … no single religion holds a monopoly on jihad(Islam) or crusades(Christianity) or ***** (whatever you call what is being done the Palestinians)ps: the ***** are there so we don’t get sidetracked into another debate
-
September 12, 2008 at 1:24 pm #2799468
If that’s true
by jck · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Obama misspoke.. or did he?
“When one speaks off the cuff it is usually done openly and without guile. When one is speaking the truth one does not hesitate in their responses. ”
Barack Obama…MUSLIM?
Lemme give you his own website that debunks your whole basis:
http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/11/12/obama_has_never_been_a_muslim_1.php
There ya go, ProtiusX. He is not and has never been a Muslim. From his own campaign.
Now…as for others in the campaigns…
Sarah Palin’s interview with Charles Gibson on ABC was filled with little “uhs” and pauses and you could tell she was fighting to push out the right words to make things extra nice and politically correct.
Especially trying to turn around that she called the military action in Iraq “God’s”.
As well, John McCain makes long pauses all the time. However, I give him benefit of the doubt. He is older, plus he’s been through hell and back.
I’ve never seen a staunch so-called Christian conservative move away from God so quick, except for in the movies.
That shocks me. Normally Christians stick up for what they say. She duck and covered quick.
Kinda disappointing. I figured she had more guts than to let the media sway her religious convictions and her beliefs that God leads good people down the right path…including the military.
-
September 12, 2008 at 2:47 pm #2799440
Which amendment was that?
by nicknielsen · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Obama misspoke.. or did he?
[i]We are a country that was founded on religious freedom and the [u]second[/u] amendment to our constitution forbids the government from making any law restricting the free expression of any religion…[/i] (my emphasis)
Have I misunderstood the Constitution and its amendments all these years?
.
.
.
I thought not.edit: grammar
-
September 12, 2008 at 2:59 pm #2799437
Oops!
by protiusx · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Which amendment was that?
Ahh… Yeah. Thanks for that.
-
-
September 13, 2008 at 8:09 am #2799827
The only religious school he attended was… Catholic.
by delbertpgh · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Obama misspoke.. or did he?
As a child he spent three years in Indonesia. For one year, he went to a public school, where they opened each day with a prayer to Allah. The other two years, he attended a Catholic school. The public school is the one that gets referred to as a “madrassa”, although they taught science and other subjects, and no religion, and they taught boys and girls together.
By the way, when I attended Pittsburgh public schools in 1958 through 1962, my classes were opened every day with a prayer. Was I in a madrassa or a seminary? Did that make me a Christian for life?
Beats me how you figure his father, who left him by age two, could have imparted a unshakable religious commitment to Islam to him. Or his grandfather, even. Did he ever meet the guy? Did he remember his dad?
This all seems like an effort to discredit him in the eyes of voters by putting out false evidence for him being a Muslim. Americans won’t vote for a Muslim, so the best way to defeat him is to spread a rumor. Do you realize you’re a tool?
-
September 14, 2008 at 11:08 pm #2798472
Oh my GOD!
by mr stumper · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to The only religious school he attended was… Catholic.
I went to Catholic school! Does that mean I’m Catholic? Seriously? Wow…I thought that because I never got Confirmed that I wasn’t. Crap…why didn’t anyone tell me. All that “pre-marital sex” and stuff…and now I guess I’m goin to hell.
Not to mention the fact that my family is German…I guess I’m a Nazi too! I seriously wish someone would tell me this stuff. Guess it’s time to start hating Jews. Which is going to be tough considering I really don’t hate anybody.
So…If I’m a Nazi…do I get a cool uniform?
-
September 15, 2008 at 2:43 pm #2783622
No Uniform
by the scummy one · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Oh my GOD!
however you really need to change your Avatar to reflect the Naziism :0
Oh, and make sure to have a cross with it, and some rosary beads… just to make sure there is no confusion :^0 -
September 15, 2008 at 4:57 pm #2783580
Don’t you still have your old uniform?
by charliespencer · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Oh my GOD!
From Catholic school? I’ll bet you looked hot in that white blouse with the plaid skirt. 😀
-
September 15, 2008 at 5:16 pm #2783573
You forgot the Mary Janes :0
by nicknielsen · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Don’t you still have your old uniform?
Patent leather. It’s just not the same without them. ;\
-
September 16, 2008 at 4:28 am #2783444
And the white ankle socks!
by charliespencer · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to You forgot the Mary Janes :0
With the hem of the skirt Scotch-taped up at least four inches above the knee.
“C’mon Virginia, don’t make me wait,
You Catholic girls start much too late.” -
September 16, 2008 at 6:34 am #2783395
scotch taped?
by jdclyde · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to And the white ankle socks!
Is that an addition after leaving the house? :0
[i]
“I don’t usually say things like this to girls your age,
but when I saw you Coming out of the school that day,
that day I knew, I knew, Ive got to have You,
Ive got to have you.” -
September 16, 2008 at 6:50 am #2783388
Yeah.
by charliespencer · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to scotch taped?
Or roll up the waist several inches, accomplishing the effect of raising the hem. Girls who knew how to sew used a product called Liquid Hem (or something similar). It was designed to hold fabric temporarily while the pieces were sewn together, but it worked well to temporarily hold the hem above the mandated minimum. It’s also much more interesting than the original topic.
-
September 16, 2008 at 7:22 am #2783369
Didn’t have uniforms
by jdclyde · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to scotch taped?
so this is all news to me.
-
September 16, 2008 at 12:47 pm #2781479
Now you’ve done it!
by nicknielsen · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to And the white ankle socks!
I’m going to have to ask my neighbor to dress up tonight…
:^0
-
September 15, 2008 at 5:25 pm #2783569
Hey. I resemble that remark.
by captbilly1eye · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Don’t you still have your old uniform?
‘cept we called it a kilt.
😉
-
September 16, 2008 at 4:28 am #2783443
One big difference.
by charliespencer · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Hey. I resemble that remark.
No one wants to see what you have under your kilt.
-
-
-
September 13, 2008 at 1:56 pm #2799715
Didn’t you say you were leaving?
by charliespencer · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Obama misspoke.. or did he?
I distinctly remember you saying you were leaving. It was in your “I’m being censored; poor pitiful me” tantrum. You said it at least twice. Why are you still here?
Obviously we shouldn’t have believed those posts. Why should we believe any part of this one?
-
September 13, 2008 at 3:24 pm #2800382
Pssssstt… Hey Palmetto….
by captbilly1eye · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Didn’t you say you were leaving?
?
[b]SEAGULL ALERT[/b]
?
?-
September 13, 2008 at 3:31 pm #2800377
-
September 13, 2008 at 3:36 pm #2800371
Dammit, warn me before you do that!
by charliespencer · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Pssssstt… Hey Palmetto….
And that was a perfectly good Diet Pepsi, too. Now it’s all over the stack of bills.
-
September 13, 2008 at 4:02 pm #2800339
:-) :D :^0
by captbilly1eye · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Dammit, warn me before you do that!
I’ve been saving that ever since you suggested the change.
Glad ya liked it, sorry ’bout the soda.
😀
Besides… it’s Saturday. Have a beer or two like me. It makes the bills much easier to deal with.
-
September 13, 2008 at 5:38 pm #2800291
HAHAHAHA ;-)
by jmgarvin · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Pssssstt… Hey Palmetto….
Brilliant….
-
September 14, 2008 at 6:27 pm #2798513
How do you guys do that?
by jiminpa · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Pssssstt… Hey Palmetto….
I want to make some graphics. I want a fancy waving flag… I want an Umpa Lumpa now… 🙁
Ok there was my weekly tantrum already 😀
-
September 14, 2008 at 8:04 pm #2798496
You need to read Tiggers thread to find out
by w2ktechman · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to How do you guys do that?
CaptBilly1Eye gave out some tips on flag making!
-
September 15, 2008 at 4:34 am #2798432
Which one?
by jiminpa · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to You need to read Tiggers thread to find out
I said no text but what I really meant was…
GO EAGLES!!!!!!
-
September 15, 2008 at 6:21 am #2798400
This one…
by captbilly1eye · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Which one?
http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=273701&messageID=2595601
lemme know if I can help.
[from one Parrothead to anutter]
-
September 15, 2008 at 6:05 am #2798411
ask and ye shall receive….
by captbilly1eye · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to How do you guys do that?
I’d be glad to help ya.
If you’d like, peer mail me, JJ.
I can set ya up.
😉 -
September 15, 2008 at 8:36 am #2798343
It has been done Thanks!
by jiminpa · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to ask and ye shall receive….
.
-
-
-
September 15, 2008 at 6:46 pm #2783542
Who the hell cares?
by boxfiddler · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Obama misspoke.. or did he?
He’s just another politician. Political success requires great skill in lying and manipulation. I thought we’d figured that out by now.
What, I’m wrong again? 😉
-
September 16, 2008 at 5:41 am #2783417
Not “again”
by jdclyde · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Who the hell cares?
“still”.
Again would indicate you STOPPED being wrong at some point and started up again…. :p
-
September 16, 2008 at 7:37 am #2781675
-
-
-
September 16, 2008 at 6:50 am #2783390
STILL HERE?
by the ‘g-man.’ · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Obama misspoke.. or did he?
So much for all your hot air!
http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=273392&messageID=2590370-
September 16, 2008 at 12:54 pm #2781473
-
-
September 16, 2008 at 1:31 pm #2781443
The absolute opposite here – Being Muslim is a vote getter
by oz_media · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Obama misspoke.. or did he?
In the current election, we have soem locals that would be tarred and feathered, dragged through the streets and peed on by America, if they were running for office there.
While driving in Delta yesterday, very East Indian and Pakistani dominated city, I saw the following campaign signs.
Conservative: Sandeep Pandher
Note that his bio states that although he was born in Edmonton (Alberta) he grew up in India. now if that was teh USA, would it not be, ‘Although I grew up in India, I was born in Edmonton”But as Delta is predominantly East Indian, they won’t vote for a Canadian if an Indian is on the ballot. His key is that he IS Indian.
Surrey NDP MLA – Jagrup Brar
http://nid-1431.profile.bcndp.ca/
“Born in India, Jagrup moved to Canada to study at the University of Manitoba where he earned a Master’s degree in Public Administration.”The list goes on and on, we don’t care if politicians are muslim, in fact in their areas they actually get more votes for being muslim.
And poeple say Canada is just like the states. LOL, close but not quite, eh?
-
September 17, 2008 at 12:18 pm #2788133
Come to my hometown.
by jamesrl · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to The absolute opposite here – Being Muslim is a vote getter
There have been times when all the candidates for the three major parties were East Indian.
But most of them here are Sikhs not Muslims.
The Sikh community here is pretty tight, and the Sikh politicians use the community associations well.
My MP is Gurbax Malhi, he didn’t live in the riding when first elected (parachute) but got in anyway. Next riding over is the lovely Dr. Ruby Dalla.
Didn’t BC have the husband and wife conservative MPs, they were both of East Indian heritage. And BC had a premier who is of East Indian heritage – Usal Dhosanjh.
James
-
September 17, 2008 at 12:52 pm #2788105
And of course
by jdclyde · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Come to my hometown.
that is not seen as any kind of racism, but if the same East Indian ran in a NONindian area and was defeated by a nonIndian how is that seen?
Is it racist to vote for “one of your own”?
If not, is it racist NOT vote for someone because they are NOT “one of your own”?
-
-
-
September 17, 2008 at 2:06 pm #2791491
What are your sources?!
by cactus pete · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to Obama misspoke.. or did he?
“Do I believe Obama is a Muslim? In part yes. His father is a Muslim, his grandfather is a Muslim and (from what I?ve read) he attended Muslim schools as a young child.”
Where did you read this that has not already issued a retraction/correction? He did not attend a Muslim school, let alone multiple Muslim schools.
If anything, having a diverse background and experiences will help him make sensible and informed decisions – which is much more than I can say for the present administration and what it’s party is offering up as a continuation.
-
September 17, 2008 at 4:39 pm #2791436
Don’t expect an answer.
by charliespencer · about 15 years, 6 months ago
In reply to What are your sources?!
In theory ProtiusX is interested enough in this topic to have scooped it back out of the litter box, but he’s only bothered to respond three time since the initial post. One of those was to thank someone for pointing out a typo, so he’s only put up two posts of ‘substance’.
-
-
-
AuthorReplies