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Obama Reverses Rules on U.S. ******** Aid

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Obama Reverses Rules on U.S. ******** Aid

jdclyde
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/24/us/politics/24obama.html?hp

?For too long,? he said, ?international family planning assistance has been used as a political wedge issue, the subject of a back-and-forth debate that has served only to divide us. I have no desire to continue this stale and fruitless debate.?


Is Obama's exporting of the culture of US paid for abortions his idea of improving the world view of the US? How does pushing ******** as birth control make us look good?

This goes against his earlier statements that he would work to reduce the number of abortions. Looks like he just found a larger "customer base".
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    AnsuGisalas

    To demand that ******** be supported would be a mistake, yes.

    Like they demanded that ******** and non-chaste pregnancy prevention methods be not even whispered.

    But, it doesn't preclude allowing ******** to be subsidied, and that already makes a difference. Then nations can do what they do best, or worst, as they invariably will.

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    JamesRL

    Then countries will outright refuse the aid. And will women be better off then?

    I'm not against abortions, though I regret some do it for the wrong reasons.

    But I don't think we should dictate to sovereign countries what their ******** policies should be through conditional funding.

    James

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    AnsuGisalas

    We're talking about people and their physicians here.
    No funding for abortions doesn't mean no abortions. It means no safe abortions.
    Like in the western world in the '30s - '60s.
    It happens. We should help make sure that people can live to regret it, instead of dying trying.

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    JamesRL

    The Canadian PM Harper has been pushing a women's health initiative targeted at improving women's health in the developing world. Harper doesn't oppose those countries providing abortions, but doesn't want the G8 funding to include funds for that purpose. Thats because its an issue that is controversial for all, both those in the g8/G20 who would approve the funding and those developing nations, many of whom oppose ******** funding.

    Hillary Clinton took our PM to task on the issue, but Harper didn't change his mind.

    James
    http://www.cbc.ca/politics/stworory/2010/04/27/maternal-health-harper.html

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    AnsuGisalas

    You (the US govt) have been reviled for decades for requiring that, to receive US money, charities in poor countries may advise only on abstinence and fidelity.
    That's the problem, those measures fail to get used in the states, and they also fail to get used in africa, causing the fight against the HIV epidemic to be ineffective.

    It's not just ********, condoms too.
    So sweet, little Dubya and his wife and mother, saying "don't use a rubber" to women who would really like to not get HIV from their adulterous husbands.
    So, yes, outside of the flucking vatican, this will make you a lot more popular.

    EDIT: and no, these women cannot, on pain of getting stoned to death, "just say no".

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    TonytheTiger

    If yuo are merely speaking of standard charitable donations, forein aid, etc. Most of these organizations seek donations and canvass all teh time, in many cases it is a fruitless effort as when they call people at home, their calls are blocked people are "not interested" etc.

    That should be a big clue...

    I wonder how much money the "National Endowment for the Arts" would be getting in this relief effort if the people who are paying for it were asked to donate. Exactly how is that going to help the country get out of this economic turmoil?????

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    Oz_Media

    If yuo are merely speaking of standard charitable donations, forein aid, etc. Most of these organizations seek donations and canvass all teh time, in many cases it is a fruitless effort as when they call people at home, their calls are blocked people are "not interested" etc.

    Never seen the little kid with the orange plastic bowl on tv while you seek out the baseball scores?

    In this and many other cases where your tax odllars are so generously donated on behalf of the American people, it is not a matter of $20 here and there trickling in to assist in daily operations, it is large sums of money being donated to foreign and local programs on behalf of the American people.

    Spmething everyone is proud of but likes to complain about too.

    But not to worry, in 4 or 8 years the next president will lay the ban down again, as goes tradition and will **** millions on some other program that you may like and the other half may object to.

    life goes on, the planet keeps turning and you wake up in the morning to do it all again.



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    jck

    it sucks.

    As a boy, I watched my great-uncle Terry decline into oblivion. He would not remember you 30 seconds after meeting you. Then he lost his peppyness.

    I have watched other uncles fall to the same situation, and it kills me.

    The thing I hate about the "assisted suicide" is this:

    In our country, we consider stopping the feeding tube humane...letting them die over a period of 7-14 days of malnutrition.

    But, we think of euthanasia of that person going to sleep and never waking up as something only suitable for putting down a rabid dog or some other beast.

    Honestly, I think the paramount thing is: if the person has a "living will" or some other document that states their wishes, then that should be their choice. If that person doesn't want to be kept in constant care (fed through a tube in a home or hospice or whatever, let the person have the dignity of deciding to go.

    Give the person one last bit of honor, for God's sake.

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    TonytheTiger

    But COULD you decide on an individual basis? Nope.

    When the ASPCA calls and asks for a donation, I have the choice to decline. When the Red Cross does, I have the choice to donate!

    I really don't know why everything we donate to couldn't be done in the same way... If it really is an important cause, it shouldn't be hard to convince people to donate. Conversely, if you have trouble getting donations,maybe the cause isn't as important as you think it is.

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    Oz_Media

    That wouldn't be possible. It would mean that any time that your nation seeks to act on such an issue, a vote would be required. That means there would be parties that are pushing for or against it, in order to get your vote, polling stations and everything else.

    In a high school PTA, they can efficiently vote on each matter and allocate finding individually as there is a smaller group to address and count.

    TRo do so on a national level lwould create an endless string of votes in waiting, you'd be at the polling station once a day at least etc.

    Most of these matters come up and are decided upon without teh public paying any attention, but for somethign like this that has beecome a presidential tradition, its like waiting to see what the ground hog will do this year and thus becomes a matter of pulic interest.

    But COULD you decide on an individual basis? Nope.

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    john.a.wills

    but I would like to go off at a tangent. The agencies which push ********, notably International Planned Parenthood Federation and its associates, do not teach Billings, the most effective method of family planning, but concentrate their efforts on the Pill and condoms and so forth. Why did not Bush feed the family-planning money into WOOMB and the like?

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    jck

    they didn't give enough money for his "office for faith-based initiatives" to help out with that.

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    jdclyde

    Obama said he intends to INCREASE faith based initiatives.

    Being a community organizer (as you repeatedly bragged), he knows first hand that government can't do ANYTHING half as efficient as private organizations. More money and better care gets to the end user this way.

    And the great thing, HE is intelligent enough to know that it IS constitutional for government to give this aid.

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    jck

    faith-based doesn't necessarily mean "community". churches aren't required to let anyone participate. public funded programs require equal participation by law.

    Oh, and btw: if Obama doesn't believe that government "can't do ANYTHING half as efficient as private organizations", then why is he trying to nationalize to some extent healthcare? Hm?

    Please explain his concept of a "National Health Insurance Exchange" to be run by the federal government as part of his plan, if what you say is right?

    You can't dispute it. He's looking to implement more government oversight of the operation of insurance to stop the system raping people (patients and doctors) for profits.


    As for aid programs:

    He is also intelligent enough to understand the Supreme Court decision that says you can't use your programs to push religion as well. He is, after all, a constitutional professor of law.

    Unlike Bush, I don't think Obama will be as likely to overlook transgressions in the law in favor of organizations who "helped out" his campaigns in trade for a "faith-based" check-in-the-hand.

    BTW, when did you think him to be so intelligent about government? I thought he wouldn't be able to do a good job cause he wasn't experienced enough in government? :^0

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    jdclyde

    again, reading into it what you want.

    only, unlike many others of clearly limited intelligence in this country, Obama understands that if the Supreme court rules something to be constitutional, then it is.

    There are many of questionable intelligence that have actually tried to say otherwise.

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    jck

    You still don't understand the concept of caveats placed upon the program by law.

    You think because someone professes they are of God, then they have divine right to free reign to do as they wish.

    If they start teaching God as a part of the program, they lose funding. As well, they can not exclude anyone from participating in it even if they are not of the religion they prescribe to.

    Hence, it's not really faith-based. It's volunteer.

    Just Bush was giving kickbacks through a loophole to religious orgs who contributed to his campaigns.

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    jdclyde

    and since it was just evil kickbacks on the part of Bush, it must be REALLY evil kickbacks on Obama if he wants to increase it, right?

    Or can't you be honest and consistent on a topic?

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    jck

    Since Bush did it means Obama is gonna do it?

    You have just made ZERO sense.

    You really are losing it. Go home and have your booze and play your video games.

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    jdclyde

    I assume he is going to do it.

    Since you only remember what you very selectively what you wish, let me remind you what he said in his own words.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3mWX8RNrug

    "They are ALWAYS free to hire who they wish"

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    jck

    You implied:

    That since the Bush-initiated "Office of Faith-Based Initiatives" was shown to have been giving the vast majority of it's funding to religiously-affiliated organizations who contributed time and/or monies to his campaigns...

    That Barack Obama is going to do the same thing?


    That's a stupid thing to assume, since Obama has done everything he can to recuse his staff and appointees from all lobbying and special interest.

    And, it is something Bush never did.