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Phone Lines Out of Cat5e

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Hiya all,

Just wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction to making a phone line out of cat5e cable.

and do you know of any diagrams, i have no problems making patch or crossover cables. Just never made a phone line before. Thanks in advance 🙂

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Some info

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This may help you out:

http://www.tek-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=166820

how will you crimp it into an RJ-11 connector?

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Good luck trying to shove a CAT5e cable into a small RJ-11 connector, let alone crimping it, because they are too thick to begin with

telephone cables if you haven’t noticed are flat and contain less copper wires than twisted pair ethernet cable, thus being able to squeeze into an RJ-11 or RJ-12 connector

why do you want to use CAT5e cable for phone anyway, which I assume you mean analog, not digital VoIP?

what do you stand to gain from using CAT5e cable over the standard flat cable used for analog phones?

I wouldn’t

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I agree that I wouldn’t want to be trying to crimp Cat5e into an RJ-11 connector. For patch cable runs from the interior wall plate to the phone, I would certainly use standard phone cable. It’s cheap and much more flexible.

For some background for the original poster for general phone wiring from the network interface device to the wall plate, here’s the following link. It’s a little dated, but interesting info about what goes on behind the wall with using additional wire pairs for a second phone line:

http://www.ling.upenn.edu/~kurisuto/phone_wiring.html

Baluns ??

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Hi,

I frequently use structured cabling to deliver phones and data. The only thing is, I terminate at phones with these little thingies that paople call baluns. They simply convert with a cat5 male into the wall socket and a female “BT” type socket on the phone end. This allows me to stick everything through one patch panel, different colour patch cables for maintaining sanity. Data goes into switch and phone patch goes into the phone switch or a seperate patch panel. Would have thought that something like this would be available to accomodate US(RJ11)or other telphone fittings as well. Would think it would be cheaper than your time. And I agree with the other guy, you would have a heck of a time getting it to crimp the sleeve as well.

Good Luck

I have done it many time

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I use Cat5e for out digital phone system all the time. This way I only have to run 1 cable for ever 4 phone connections (digital only use 2 of the wires). Crimping is easy, all you have to do is expose about 2in of the wires and just crimp the 2 wires you need and not the shielding. If you are using cat5e for just one connection all you have to do is expose about 2in of the wires, pull the shielding down and cut the wires you don’t need, slide the shielding backup and slide it in to the RJ11 jack (you might have to trim the shielding) and crimp it down.

Good info

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Thanks for the description.

How to use 1 cat5e for 4 phones lines

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If you are using a digital phone system you can run 1 cat5e cable for every 4 phone lines (wow thats how many are on my wall jacks).

One end of the cable must be connected to your phone system blocks. You MUST have some knowlegde of your phone system to do this part so I will not go into detail about it. Run the cable to your wall jack, making sure you have enough extra cable (about 1 to 1 1/2 feet). Peel the sheilding back about 6in, punch down one pair of wires ( I would recommend using the same color, ie: B & B/W) into the the very end of a Keystone jack and insert the keystone jack in to the wall jack. Repeat for the next 3 sets on wire. Now you can use shorter lenghts of Cat5e or phone cable.

If you don’t work on your phone system most of this will no make since, but believe me this can save you alot of money and time.

Any questions on Toshiba phone systems or general questions on phone systems drop me an email: paula@specsys.org

Telecom cabling no no 101

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That’s rule #1 in telecom cabling. Never share a split CAT5. But I’ve seen companies do it all the time, the telco hates you for it and cable replacement is ecpensive and not time effective.

But I’ve seen so many companies do it, for a few years anyway. The IT guy leaves, the ohone company comes by, they void your warranty and charge you to recable the entire building and it gets worsem seen some really expensive horror stories when companies get their bills.
It is common with Tosh though, they are generally the companies fuelled by initial investment cost.

I gave up doing it after a few years working for Toshiba, not worth it for all the fix it work I had to do. The chepo clients droove me nuts and always wanted to cut corners, just not my style, with phones, cars computers or anything i do fo rthat matter. I’m one of those do it once and do it right guys myself.

A toshiba tech showed

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me how to do it.

I see no problem with it and neither does my toshiba tech. You just can’t stand it when someone finds a faster better way of doing something. You just have to pick apart everyones opinions and ways of doing thing.

You may think you know better, but most of us here know you are full of $hit.

What a sweet comment

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I can’t stand it when people find a quicker way?

I was using Cat5 for phone cabling years ago, until I saw the horror stories when working with another telco.

I don’t care what the hell you do with your investment, you are so wrongin your assumption. It’s YOUR money, I was just offering straight advice based on personal experience, workign for Toshiba AND a company that fixes the cabling later on.

Didn’t you run away in a hissy fit once already on the other thread?

Note: some mroe advice for your benefit.

You used your complete email address in the post above. You should break it up using an AT instead of @ (or something like that).

TR is known for being spidered by spam bots, they pickup on any full email addresses found in posts and build lists to be spammed or sold for spam.

You’re welcome.

You’re just mad

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because I am one of the few here who had the balls to point out that you are an overbering a$$.

I don’t really care if you think I am wrong, because you think everyone is wrong but yourself. Loss the self inflating ego crap you dish out here everyday and someone might listen to you.

I read the post were I said I was leaving and you just couldn’t stop insulting me and egging others to do the same. You must be a real man to do that. I received alot of email supporting me and saying they agree with me that you are an opinionated a$$. I even got a few email from member that said they are leaving the site because of your crap. These are not your own personal forums. You have done nothing but drag the whole site down with you.

I just wanted to stop by and check out a couple of threads and what do I find. You feeling the need to continue bashing me months after I leave.

Get a life, you are not that important.

Now, go find a bridge.

So you think

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Well the thread where you left, I actually didn’t egg on anyone at that point, people started to offer flames for you anyway.

WHat you think? Is so irrelevant that I couldn’t even find the words. You may as well say that Jimmy Flanders in Maine thinks I’m a jerk, so the hell what? What’s your point?

As for your popping back in and having a two way discussion with someone regarding your experiences, as if they actually matter anymore than someone else’s, well you seem to have missed the point again.

Discussions are open conversation, nobody has to accept you ropinion and nobody has to enjoy it.

But unlike yourself, who continues to say that I insult you, perhaps (once again) you need to read my posts in comparisson to your own intentionally insulting posts with nothing to substantiate them.

But once again, I hope you manage to fix your email issue, that is a tip you should heed as you will get your address sold, it happens quite a bit on here.

Once again, you’re welcome. And please don’t worry , you haven’t made me mad, but you did put a smile on my face. 🙂

I know I touched a nerve

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You continue to try and tell me what to do. Sorry I have a mom and I don’t listen to her either.

You so two discussions are a joke. I went back and read other threads were you continuely put down other peoples opinions. In your eyes if they don’t have the same opinion as you they are wrong and a target for your wrath.

I bet you are some kid posing to be something your not. People are getting tired of you.

You need to go read the thread were I left and check your post. There are MANY time were you insulted and belittle me after I left.

Your a joke and everyone on the site knows it, but don’t have the balls to tell you to your face.

Without the 2nd there would be no 1st.

I bet you still haven’t figured that one out yet.

Oh, BTW. On many of the threads you have claimed you are from Canada AND England. Which is it poser? Or is it you forget your own lies you are telling.

Well lets start with your lies in this thread then shall we?

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First of all you say I was the first to insult you.

My initial comment made no direct reference to you at all, not in any way shape or form. I merely countered your comments with MY personal experience cabling and selling business telecom, dealing with and working for several vendors. But I forgot, you are in the telecom field too aren’t you, everybody in IT thinks they are.

As for the insults, YOU were the first and ONLY person in this discussion to offer direct insults at me, nobody insulted you, so therefore, you have LIED.
Your first post here to me closed with;

“You may think you know better, but most of us here know you are full of $hit.”

Your second comment you said;
” you are an overbering a$$.”
“Loss[i](sic[/i] the self inflating ego crap”

You then said (in the same post);
“Get a life, you are not that important.”

As for all the peer mail you got, I get them all the time too in support of my comments, I JUST recieved one such email this morning from a peer I hhave never heard of before, thanking me for sticking up to the ignorant opinions on TR that hush the rest from speaking out. So peer mail and props is just BS, it’s part of the game and goes to both sides, don’t latter yourself so. I got more than a few positive emails after your exit post to, touche?

As for my nationality, it’s really none of your business if you can’t keep up. But it seems beyond your comprehension how smeone can BE from somewhere and actually LIVE somewhere else. This was a common instance that occured as Britain’s commonwealth covered a great deal of the world. Therefore people would move as they deemed suitable to other nations. In MY case, I am a British citizen and LIVE in Canada as a landed immigrant with Permanent resident staus, in other words I live here AND there. Therefore I am living in Canada and speak on a Canadian behalf, pay taxes here etc. I also am a Citizen of the United Kingdom, I also do work there, promote music there, and pay taxes there.

So while it is extremely confusing for someone who has most likely never seen an ocean (no, those are the great lakes not the Atlantic ocean)to comprehend, people from OTHER countries, DO have the freedom to move amongst them and be welcomed by thier country of choice. What a concept huh? Bush buggered that one for you though, well…what little welcome there was anyway.

There you go again

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I tell you to go and read your post from the threat were I left TR to see how many time you insulted me, but you use the ones here. You only see what you want to see instead of the truth.

I am not going to bottle feed you and show you the post were you insulted me in the thread were I left. I think you can get your mommy to do that for you (still nursing right?).

I really don’t care were and what you have worked on. It has NO bearing on my life. You made mistake (I sure you made alot and still make alot). I contact toshiba support before I do anything with my phone systems. Did you or did you just think you are so smart and do it on your own.

For your information I have lived in europe for 5 years. You have been making assumptions about my from day one. That pisses me off more they anything else. I see you still can’t give a straight answer about were you live. What can’t remember your lies again?

You really need to get off of the soap box you are preaching from.

Not once I have lied on TR. You may think I have because you fail to read through post. You read what you want and attack based on half truths.

Now go back to the thread were I left TR and see how many times you insulted me. But knowing you I bet you have edited them so you wont get in trouble from TR for verbally attacking another member.

Maybe I should inform TR about the personal attack from you, then we can finally get rid of you.

That’s good

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The general opinon toward your exit post, which was obviously just more BS, was that if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. There were WAY more insults thrown at you in that thread, other than the ones from me.

Now as for THIS thread, YOU were the one claiming I insulted you, which I didn’t, and yet you insulted me directly in each and every post you made while claming I was insulting you. Get real, how dumb do you think peers are here?

Mom, never taught you about hypocrisy, or what’s good for the goose is good for the gander, or practice what you preach or anything did she?

YOu are a bitter woman, demonstrated in ALL of your posts towards me on TR, you are a woman who needs to be heard, can never be second guessed and who will not substantiate any argunment with fact before insulting the other person. You prove this over and over in all of these posts you refer to. You just constantly see other people’s debate as a personal insult, but you return it not with fact to support your claims or counter debate, you just insult people.

It’s not MY opinion, it’s in black and white all over your posts towards me, you simply CANNOT be wrong or second guessed without startnig your personal character attacks and BS that completely ignores your own comments.

Perhapse a little study into the world of comprehension may help you understand a bit better, if you can’t see it from reviewing your posts and the comments directed at your attitude,

In response to your flaming me as you announce your leaving from TR, including posts from TR staff.

[i]”OZ, ignore the scarecrow behind the curtain”[/i]

[i]”In general, your complaints seem to be about Oz_Media’s manners. Is that correct? If so, a more productive response might be to identify his point of view and request that he present it differently in the interests of civility. If you cannot do so, such failure is likely to be interpreted as concession to the claim that it is really not his manners that are objectionable to you, but his eloquence coupled with the fact that he disagrees with you.”[/i]

[i]”Dude, if you are just going to go;
My god, you are worse than my oldest brother — takes him 25 minutes to say good bye.
You said your peace if you are going…just go!
If you are staying just stay — either way…enough!”[/i]

[i]”I’ve read the posts and cross-referenced the other posts involving these two.
I gotta say I side with Oz. While he’s a bit of a blowhard sometimes at least he’s willing to admit when he’s erred or changed his opinion on something.
IT_Lobo, you’re coming across as a whiny little kid. Your posts are not very articulate and very hypocritical.
Like TomSal says, If you are staying just stay — either way…enough!”[/i]

[i]”It’s scary to see and hear people constantly harping about their rights being violated when they don’t understand what those rights actually are.”[/i] (In reference to your claims that your freedom of speech was hindered) You’ll need to study that ammendment to understand that you have no guaranteed freedom of speech on a public forum.

[i]”In this case however it appears to me that the complaining person appears to have the opinion that they are the only one with the right to post and when they express an opinion it must not be challenged under any circumstances because it is a volition of their “Rights” but are unable to understand that as an adult their rights are limited every day.”[/i]

(Everyone thinks your a guy, LOL!)

[i]”Sniff, Sniff….Mommy, WAAAAAAAAAH!:
oh please grow up girl, oh sorry.”[/i]

(in this case someone referred to you a little girl due to your incessant whining, not realizing you ARE a little girl.

[i]”we are definitely not failing you by allowing other people to express their opinion. That’s the whole point of this forum.”[/i]

[i]”When discussions involve religion or politics, one has to expect strong, unyielding opinions. TR does not need to moderate discussions amongst adults, especially in areas where strong opinions are the rule. I’m sure most everyone has heard the old adage about opinions:…as Oz said, don’t dish it out if you can’t take it”[/i]

[i]”Your opinion is no more important than anyone else’s opinion here. And your opinion will (and should) be challenged if someone else has a different point of view. It’s a *discussion* forum after all. That’s what happens.”[/i]

[i]”Had enough of yo’ bellyachin’, Lobo!
OK, Lobo, I’ve stayed quiet long enough. But, I can’t listen to you trash this site any longer.[/i]

[i]I, too, was in the military. In fact, I was accused of a crime I didn’t commit and had to live life on the run for several years between 1983 and 1987.

Did I use that nonsense as an excuse to get a bad attitude? No I didn’t! I stayed positive and tried to help others do the same.”[/i]

Now some of these are people I often agree with, MANY were people I often disagree with constantly as we have completely different political views, and yet others of these, are from people I have never heard of before on TR, the quiet readers that rarely get involved but there are also opinions of the TR staff there too.

And that’s just a few opinions that I took at random, there are MANY similar views towards your attitude here and your hipocritical claims.

So take it from others if you won’t take it from me. YOU weren’t insulted by me, but I WAS insulted in almost every post you have made, you were also the first to insult me here and claim that I had insulted YOU when I hadn’t. Learn to read or something!

You have shown your true colours as being a clueless and very misguided and angry little girl, take it elsewhere if you don’t like having a controversial opinion challenged, nobody is obligated to take what you say as being correct, especially in a case such as this where the company’s investment stands to be challenged.

Now it’s your turn to lie and insult me again, before yet another melodramatic exit post of how you ae being picked on and can’t speak you rmind without someone challenging your opinion. Grow up, that’s life lady, nobody buys your whiny “I’be been violated” bulls*t here.

More lies I see

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I never said you insulted me first in this thread, I was referring to the thread were I left. Go back and read it.

I see you just can’t stop the insults so I must continue to insult you. Didn’t your mom let you suck on her tit today? Is that why you are crying like a 2 yr old?

You spend atleast 1 1/2 weeks on that thread after I left just egging people on and continued to insult me. Is that how you get off when your mom rejects you?

I could care what the rest of TR thinks. Most of them are momma’s boy and a$$ suckers just like you.

We can continue to insult each other, makes no difference to me. You just can never admit when you are wrong. You were the first to make personal attack thward me. Most people in TR can’t stand you, but since TR is too lazy to moderate these forum they have to put up with your $hit.

BTW, if your mom rejects you, you always have your dad.

Without the 2nd there would be no 1st.
Still over your head I see.

Why do you title your post one ay but not echo it in your comments

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YOU are the one who thought that your opinion would go unchallenged on a public forum. Mistake #1
YOU wer the one who STILL thinks it’s TR’s DUTY to silence people for offering thier views, didn’t you see the comments from TR staff too? Mistake #2

YOU were the one who feels that YOU can offer senseless insults that don’t support your opinions whilst accusing others of doing just that. Mistake #3

You are the person who offered advice that in mnay cases will void a company’s warranty. Mistake #4

Yu are the person who CLAIMS that any counter opinion is wrong. Mistake #5

You just go on and on. You left before, afetr making a massive production out of it, that nobody was interested in. Oh, and I didn’t egg people on, you should know by now that people only speak thie rminds here, they aren’t EGGED on by other people. Mistake #6

You are also the person who has just claimed that people here are a$$holes. Mistake #7

So if this is a horrible place, you don’t like the people, you HATE the site for what it allows, AND to top it all off you come back to offer more pure lies and garbage after your dramatic exit, WHY ARE YOU POSSIBLY HERE CROAKING AWAY AGAIN?

You are either a glutton for punishment, or just not too bright.

There, and i didn’t insult you rmother once, I am sure she is a nice lady all the same, even though you say you never listen to her.

People can’t be reponsible for devil spawn, people build thie rown personalities, yours just seems way to confused for most people here.

And in closing, you DO CARE what people think here, othersiwse you wouldn’t have made your incorrect point about how everyone thinks this an dthat and you hav received emails with support. Obviously it’s all crap from a bunch of a$$holes in your opinion. Or do you actually only like people that agree with you?

Good luck with that, it’s gonna be a long struggle.

Some female patterns in your rants

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Counting the days between your ranting overdramatic posts, the CYCLE works out to be a little under a month if you work from May until August. From the second week of May and now late in the first week of August.

Buy some Midol and get over it, it’s not my fault you’re a woman.

I know you love me

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You just can have me I am married sorry and I also don’t swing that way. I must have you all flustered, you made more mistakes typing then you did with your accusations. I have met many people like you. You are one of the dorks who used to get pushed into lockers in highschool. Now you think you are all grown up, but still you are a dork.

People like you will never learn. You think you are some know it all. All you do is post on forums telling people they are doing something wrong, because you read it in some book (I bet you have never had a job in your life). You will always be a loser, you should just deal with it. Your mom still loves you or does she nurse you out of pity.

One day you see the truth and life as you know it will be over (it could be over now).

Just go back to beating off to your sears catalog and stop bothering me.

Man just leave already, no one likes you here.

Oh, wait, you have to have the last word.

Your flattery is endless

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Well lets see what untruths the little girl spun this time.

Hmm, she didn’t address any assertions proven wrong, so therefore she must concede that she was full of it when she made absurd claims about the nature of a previous post.

She went out of her way to pick on the post itself so as not to address the issues orven against her, as always.

Judging by the response to your exit post, your closing comments are a joke bacuse you would have actually noticed the exact opposite than you CLAIM in your very miniscule participatoin here.

HOW many people have you helped in Tech Q&A lately? None….ever. Figures, most people that shoot thier mouths off with no reason here don’t have any relevant activity on the site either. But you have askd for the help of others all the same, with no input offered to help others. So your site participation is non existent, with the exception of a thread where most people (not just myself) argued your sanity and another where you were told to just leave.

Well done, way to make an impression.

Yet for some reason, you seem to speak as if you were an active member here and have many peer contacts that inform you of thier wishes because they are too spineless to speak for themselves. Well done! Stop being a complete liar, you still don’t gain credibility than you do when you just BS for a living.

As for going away, why should I?

Would you like ot start a new thread on that topic then? Waste everyone’s time with more of your senseless whining and crying. Didn’t you get the message of the masses last time? LEAVE or SHUT UP? Again those were comments from people who I often find myself in heated disagreement with, yet they don’t cry about personal rights, TR’s obligations, what other people think, they don’t call me or my mother immature names, they just provide proof to suport thier claims and welcome counter arguments with open arms. For the last time, if YOU can’t deal with it, get lost.

If you think you CAN deal with it, offer some reasonable proof to support your radical claims and be prepared to defend your opinions, everyone else here does, why not you? There are some very tough and opinionated women here on TR, they gain great respect for standing up for thier beliefs, you are not one of them. In fact many people think you’re just some dumb, cornfed Yankee without a clue.

Which you prove with every post.

As for your other comment, I was the headbanger/shop focused guy who pushed the dorks into lockers, not proud of it as that is pretty immature, but that’s high school rebellion for you.

So once again you are just plain wrong in your miniature little headspace.

The reason for so many typos is that I am getting so tired of your lies, you are not worth talking to, but I still type out a very quick reply to prove how you lie continously.

Where is your defence for all of your claims that the last post proves to be LIES?
That’s right, you NEVER have a defence for your opinion, it just IS. When it is questioned you say people are insulting you and (this one I love) intruding on ‘your rights to freedom of speech’, LOL! 😀

YOu are just a TR pain in the ass, everyone told you before, if you can deal with it and offer proof (which several have said is VERY important here) then fine, have at ‘er. If you are going to whine and cry anytime your opinion is challenged (making you a person who feels she is ALWAYS right and knows more than others) then you are not welcome. It was pointed out VERY clearly by TR staff, peers and some of my personal enemies that I enjoy friendly couter debates with.

YOU just don’t stack up, you lack in every area and just make noise with no substance.

One day you’ll see it, or else your poor husband has to deal with it daily anyway.

I see you had to get your friends

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and start this crap all over again. Are still in highschool?

I see you still want everyone to bottle feed you. One of these days the milk will dry up.

Come get some more of the morons on this site and you all can start to insult me.

Once an a$$ always an a$$.

Come smart boy.

Without the 2nd there would be no 1st.

Still over your head I see. MORON.

Nobody was invited

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The part you still haven’t grasped, even though countless peers and the TR staff have tried to carefully explain; NOBODY is obligated to agree with you or accept your opinion. Adults can defend thier opinions without insulting one another as you do in each and every post you offer.
If you don’t want your opinions challenged, then don’t share your opinions.

The stupidest part pf what you have done, you have COMPLETELY ignored the fact that there have been several very good reasons from people that work in the industry that it is a BAD idea, other than my inistial comments. But you still fail to see the light and realize there MAY be negative repercussions? You gonna get fired or something when the boss finds out you refuse to accept the truth and wasted his money too? That’s a pretty efficiency focused company you work for afterall, isn’t it?

As for inviting friends, I did no such thing, yet you will lie and believe otherwise, why not, you believe the Bush BS as if it’s religion.

House and I have disagreed MANY times, and don’t send each other emails or peer mail about topics.

TomSal and I agree on musical issues but disagree on most others, we also don’t share peer mail.

djameson and I have never really crossed paths other than the odd comment that shares the same thread such as this one, and again we don’t share peer mail or email.

Stop and actually think about it for a second (if that’s possible). If I had asked these people to step in, wouldn’t they post a reply to YOUR post or insut YOU? Or do you think they have done that already, by disagreeing with you and siding with my findings?

So just as you have proven before, you are the rudest and most personally insulting indivudual on Tech Republic (we can review your insults in each and every post here if you don’t agree), you are completely wrong about who knows who. You have no idea whatsoever who I am, you have no basis to support any of your claims and you just stand here and throw out insults because it makes you feel better. But you’re not alone, TR has a few people that feel that way.

THAT’S sad, and is definitely something you need to address personally, not by insulting others.

You most definitely have pshchological issue you need to overcome if you are hoping to build relationships and gain support for your opinions.

This entire thread just makes YOU look bad, read it again. Go to print mode so you can follow the flow of your flames and insults and then perhaps you will understand the pure hypocrisy in all that you offer here.

NEXT!!!!

Are you that dumb

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that you missed the part were a toshiba tech showed me how to do it and did some of it himself.

Boy you are a long winded bastard. You keep posting mindless crap based on no facts about me. You have made assumption about me from the start.

Lies, lies and more lies spill out of you hole. You don’t ever read entire post, you only read what you want to read. You are a sad person, who feels the need to put everyone down.

At least I’m not a paranoid loser

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One minute you were complaining about how I got my cronies to support my point, when that is shown as completely ridiculous, you start in on some personal isults again.

As for a Toshiba tech showing you how to do something, ARE YOU THAT DUMB? Don’t you actually think a Tosh tech MAY not be offering the best advice, or do you see techs as service managers now? I suppose you missed the point that I am also a manufacturer trained AND certified Tosh tech too, huh? As well as all recent NEC PBX’s, Nortel’s BCM and several other more specific systems as I’ve needed over time. Probably because you never read posts and can’t answer the most elementary questions without insulting the poster, proving your imbalance.

Your comments and personal attacks are just such a complete waste of your time. Your posting style shows you to be a complete hyporite, post after post after post. EVERYONE sees it.

Your insults are completely out of line and uncalled for, post after post after post, EVERYONE see it.

Your comments go with little or no substantial proof at all, post after post after post, EVERYONE sees it.

But once again you are wrong and will be proven wrong, post after post after post, until you can start making REASONABLE comments and support your claims without just evading the issues and insulting people all the time.

Ask your Toshiba tech friend this.

IF one part of a run, on a run that shares phones, dies, what will replacement cost be? How is this more cost efficient than running individual cables, including downtime during cutover and testing of course?

Then ask, if the line is receiving noise, hum or any other interference, WHAT Toshiba tech is going to troubleshoot your system under the warranty coverage? How will he justify toning the lines? How will he determine the S/N ratio of an individual pair and rule out the line as a fault?
WHO get’s to pay for that?

You really need to get over yourself and get a life. Nobody gives a sh*t about some whining person that is unable to support a single comment without immature insults and evasive answers that NEVER answer questions or counter others comments. Especially when you start complaining about rights, freedom of speech, and the most ridiculous of all, WHY ISN’T TR DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT? I think it’s probably about time they did something about you though, there ARE a few general rules in these forums and you just choose to ignore them while crying wolf.

You find it easier to just lie and insult people, as if it actually makes you appear clever.

Think again.

YOU know you have whined and cried about your opinion being challenged and TR won’t do anything about it, but they WILL act upon people just plain insulting others, such as this entire thread proves you have done all along and without provocation. You haven’t even TRIED to support your claims, you haven’t even tried to rebut my own, you just insult me over and over again, do you have ANY IDEA just how immature, and incapable this proves you to be? Especially on a forum where people are USED to supporting thier opinions with fact, are USED to people disagreeing and showing alternate PROOF, you just act like a little baby with no grip at all on how society views people.

Get a life and go complain about that instead, you’ll get no sympathy here if this is the best you can do, as your drmatic exit post proved before.

nope you are

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just paranoid.

but that’s only a problem when “they” aren’t out to get you. 😉

Jaqui

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This is pretty much just painful, it’s like a bad toothache that doesn’t go away and nags for no reason.

I wouldn’t be so paranoid if all the voices in my head would just stop yelling all at once.

This thread’s just a complete waste, th eoriginal poster started this months ago, and now some dork drags it up again and turns it into a flame war, and you know me, wouldn’t miss out on a good flame war, especially with an idiot who has absolutely no CLUE what she’s talking about.

But just like a bad car wreck, you just can’t help but look.

Thats enough

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I am a man. I am tired of you taking cheap shots at me on an internet forum.

What you fail to realize that it was you who dragged this topic back up after it was dead for months. You just had to try and piss me off again (which you did).

You really have alot of growing up to do. You spend all day posting negitive and insulting things about other people.

Again go back and look at how many times you have insulted me. If TR bans me they will have no choice but to ban you also. So get off you high and mighty horse. If I go down I am taking you with.

Now I can see it now, Oz spending the rest of his day editing his post to delete all the insults from his post.

Oh go give your head a good shake.

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I don’t call you insults, my comments MAY be condescending but I refer to your comments, not your person. EDIT: until fed up with your insults.

As for being a woman, well I am certain I saw you make such a comment, I thought otherwise at one time and then saw that comment somewhere again, between you and someone else. If I am wrong, I apologize and take back the insinuation.

As for insults, let me explain how it works.

YOU make a comment I disagree with, “I say that’s an insane argument, and provide alternate proof to what I believe.” This is not insulting you, it is doubting the validity of the comments.

When your only form of reply is to simply call me names and NOT offer any logical reasoning or counter proof to MY comments, THAT IS AN INSULT.

I have been MORE than patient with you, I have given you FAR TOO MANY opportunities to simply open up a fair discussion and have welcomed relevant comments. YOU simply cannot do so and resort to grade school name calling.

TR had a real good look at our last discussion where you felt you were being stripped of your rights, they also explained that they won’t get involved in such a thread.

On other occasions, I have insulted people here, was told (by TR)not to and found new ways of delivering my feelings, unlik eyourself who just throws out names, yuo even started in on the YO MAMMA crap, get a life, if there’s still hope.

If not, don’t bother calling people names for not agreeing with you, just learn to prove them wrong, it takes a far bigger man.

TR welcomes fair debate, even heated ones, often with much sarcasm and flaming of the post included. They do not tolerate people sayig things like,
[b]”you are full of $hit.”
“you are an overbering a$$.”
“you are an opinionated a$$”
“Now, go find a bridge”
“Your[i](sic)[/i] a joke”
” Didn’t your mom let you suck on her *** today?”[/b]

This one’s good and typical hypocrisy;
[b]”I could care what the rest of TR thinks. Most of them are momma’s boy and a$$ suckers just like you.”[/b] First of all, we have joked several times about people who get that phrase wrong. It’s SHOULD be ‘I COULDN’T care less…’ “Could care less” is just something people pick up and start saying when they don’t understand what a saying really means. If you COULD care less, then obviously you CARE. Think about it, next time.

Right after teling me how everyone supported you and are some are leaving because they got flamed! But you didn’t just quietly leave yourself did you? NO, you decided to stick around and throw personal insults aound instead while saying that I should be banned for insulting YOU! LOL :^O

Now you insult TR directly too!
[b]”since TR is too lazy to moderate these forum they have to put up with your $hit.[/b]

TR answered your last request for support from them, they basically said “grow up”. They aren’t lazy, especially the person who replied to you, he has done immense amounts of work here lately and has been VERY actively working and listening to peers, perhaps why he offered his comments in your exit threadm because they DO read posts here and offer thier comments andoften play referee when justifiably needed.

[b]”BTW, if your mom rejects you, you always have your dad.”[/b]

NO…I dont, and I REALLY don’t appreciate such comments. If you insist that your personal iunsults and lies should be allowed and my attacks on your posts should not, at least leave it between you and I, be a man if that’s what who you are.

[b]”You are one of the dorks who used to get pushed into lockers in highschool. Now you think you are all grown up, but still you are a dork.” [/b]

(More complete BS, I was anything BUT a bullied dork in school, I would have at least stayed in school longer if I was a dork.)

[b]”You will always be a loser, you should just deal with it. Your mom still loves you or does she nurse you out of pity.” [/b]Again with the ‘Your mom’ crap!

[b]”Just go back to beating off to your sears catalog and stop bothering me. “[/b]

[b]”Once an a$$ always an a$$.”[/b]

[b]”you are a long winded bastard”[/b]

Here’s where it really gets funny though:
[b]”You spend all day posting negitive and insulting things about other people. “[/b]

My god, do you not type your own posts ro seomething? DO you have no idea what you say? DO you have no idea how personal attacks and attacks on comments differ?

Try again. 8 posts form you and over 15 clear and direct personal insults! That’s like a 1:2 ratio! Now start digging, you can’t find the same from me when I have addressed you, your posts are just PURE LIES.

Did you ever think

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that maybe it is the way you word your replies that seems to piss me and others off? You seem to point all the blame at me when in fact you should take responsibility for causing most of this by you high and mighty replies. You replies seem to come across as DO IT MY WHY OR YOU WILL FEEL MY WRATH.

Again I will not bottle feed you, you can go back and read your post to find out that there is some truth to what I have to say.

Continue your flame war and insults, by the looks of it you seem to do it all over TR.

Boys, I just want to thank you

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Once again I’ve enjoyed the fun of reading your flame wars. In this case (as in the last one) I have to go with Oz as the winner. His rants are more focused on the issue at hand and not just random insults. IT Lobo, try to be a little more creative in your insults, then I’d be able to at least award you some style points.

Oz, if you ask me (which you didn’t) I actually think you’ve been pretty calm here. Granted, you are having a bit of a problem letting go, but you have stayed in control.

Advantage, Oz

DMambo, not needed

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Stop trying to add fuel to the fire. You are doing nothing but making matters worse.

I could care less if you agree with your buddy Oz and think I am an a$$. You are only making a comment to stick your nose in were it does not belong.

I see Oz is recruiting more of his mindless minions to attack me. Soon they will see that Oz is full of himself and find a new person to follow. It would be a good idea for you guys to get a thought of your own once in awhile.

Way to go guys, keep up the good work.

That’s it, I’m leaving TR – Thanks, IT Lobo

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Man, you need to lighten up. You’re such a weenie.

Sure, I like to read Oz’s posts. He rants like hell, but will occasionally allow himself to step back and breathe. I think that you might have a bit of a problem with that.

BTW, running multiple phone lines on cat5 is not a good idea. For reasons, see other posts. It’s a better idea to run separate cable for each line using TIA 568 A std. (Easy cutover to VOIP)

I’m done now.

DMambo, now you start

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with the name calling. Nice touch, now get the phuck out of here and get back to kissing Oz’s a$$.

Hey, Buddy

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I’ll “get the phuck you of here” when I’m darn good and ready. Sheesh, at least be grammatically correct when you flame out.

Now I’m really done. (Sorry everyone else!)

Fun and corrections

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First some fun, MAMBO and I often disagree, he is a big enough man to realize that it’s not HIM I counter, but his comments on issues. But your rant on him was worth saving, you only see ONE side don’t you, YOUR side. You then think anyone who agrees with me is sucking up, as if agreeing with you is the only option.

As for corrections:
“You replies seem to come across as DO IT MY WHY OR YOU WILL FEEL MY WRATH.”

My replies offer a point of view based on my own personal experience or training, as do yours. At no time have I told you to do it MY way, though you have strongly asserted that YOUR way IS correct. MY way is just a result of experience, and in this case, Professional Toshiba installation training and experience RESOLVING Toshiba issues, due to problems such as those created by IT folk using Cat5.

Yuo can do what you wish, but if I see someone ANYONE, offering advice that I have been advised against and seen customers lose money over, then I am well within my right to offer an alternate view based on first hand knowledge.

Your LAST defense, in the ‘How Far Will the Army Go’ thread, was that you speak to soldiers on in a chat forum, so you know better than others.

This time you are referring to speaking with a Toshiba tech.

Do you HAVE any first hand experience to share too? Or do you simply take others knowledge verbatim, if so, why do you discount any other first hand knowledge shared?

You replies seem to come across as DO IT MY FRIEND’S WAY OR YOU WILL FEEL MY WRATH, because my friend said that’s how it works.

Again

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As I said before, maybe it is the way you word your replies that pisses so many people off. Have you ever thought about that. You need to show more respect when you 1st make a reply as not to come across as an a$$ as you have done with me. Many times you have told me I am posting the wrong way and I should be doing it like you are.

BTW, I am still talking to REAL troops, not the ones you read about in the papers. Oh, and it is not on the Army website, I never said it was, go back and look.

I thought I was somewhat civil in my reply to you, but in turn I get more back handed replies from you.

Some day you will realize that your comments come across in a negitive way. If I am wrong, so are alot of people on TR, because they seem to agree with me on that point.

Now lets hear a snappy, negitive comeback from you on how I am WRONG and you are RIGHT.

Save your fan mail then

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THen you will have something to cuddle when you’re feeling gloomy and repressed. I don’t care if it’s an Army website or a SOF gangbang, it’s still just one very biased view. It’s still internet chit chat from Americans trying to convince themselves they are doing the right thing, despite what thier conscience tells them, they have been stripped of that thought process.

But I don’y blame the soldiers anyway, I blame the liar that convinced his country to send them there to begin with.

EOS

There you go again

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bashing the US Soldiers. You have no idea who I talk to or what they say, so how can you make an assumption on the content. You only hear the negitive that comes out of Iraq, try searching for the positive stories. You know nothing about serving your country. You were given the right to have an opinion by brave men and women in the armed forces. Every chance you get you should thank a soldiers for the sacrific they have made to ensure you have the freedoms you have. Stop making blind assumptions about the US Military and the stories I hear from them.

Not everyone has the same views as you do and some day you will come to terms with that.

There YOU go again

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Again assuming I have said things I haven’t.

You will misconstrue any comment made by simply being blind to what you don’t want to read and accepting little portions of conversations.

Now you say my last post bashes soldiers. I indicated that they were merely PAWNS trying to cope with what they are facing.

I also said; “But I don’t blame the soldiers anyway, I blame the liar that convinced his country to send them there to begin with.”

So how do you deduce that I bash the soldiers? Because I coinsider them pawns of someone else’s agenda? DO they actually decide what to do themselves then? Do the soldiers now get together over a game of cards and figure out where to deploy next or who’s country to attack? NO. That’s ridiculous.

They are TRAINED very rigorously to forget what they feel and act as a war machine.

Now you ALSO say that I have no idea what it’s like to be a soldier, but I have had many family members in the military (both World Wars, Korea, Falklands etc.) as well as being in ATC as a youth myself. So I think I DO have a pretty damn good idea of what goes on. When I was a (late)teen my best friend was in the Air Force and stationed at McCord AFB in Washington where I hung out many times on my way through to visit my office in Oregon over the following years. Another very close friend was a long time member of the Canadian Airborne.

So just like you incorrectly assume of myself, I do have a lot of knowledge of a soldiers life and training. Again, you are horribly wrong with your assumptions.

So how did I get the impression you hang out on Miltary chat rooms? Where would I get such an absurd notion? Perhaps from someone who claims he chats with soldiers “on the ground” as if that offers better insight. I will assume that you make long distance phone calls to Iraq on a regular basis?

How about when you said;
[b]”I get to TALK to soldiers everyday. They come on to forums I go to, sorry only for Active Duty and Veterans. I get to hear from Officers, Senior NCOs and lower enlisted and they say NOTHING about politics.”[/b]?

So you first said you get to talk to these ever wise and unbiased individuals everyday, through WEB FORUMS, that nobody else can go to (sure) and yet you NOW claim that I have no idea who you talk to or how you talk to them?
Make up your mind, show some consistency and you’ll earn and retain some credibility.

When your comments contradict each other in order to support your rants, you cannot expect to be heard.

So I either DO know where you get your info and who you talk to, or you lied the first time and actually talk to other people through another medium.

Your choice, did you lie before or are you a liar now? Either way, you lied again. And you said you’ve never lied on these forums, well that would then be ANOTHER lie wouldn’t it?

You’re not very good at this!

PHUCKING A$$HOLE

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You have continuly bashed US Soldiers in many of your threads. You mostly do it with backhanded commments that try and hide your distaste. I am PHUCKING tired of you insults tward the US Solders. You make them sound like a bunch of mindless pawns who will do what ever they are told. You have NO FUCKING clue what the hell you are talking about.

You say you know about the military, but you said you did not server. So, how can you know what military life is about if you don’t have the balls to join. I still talk to soldiers (Soldiers from all over the whold you fucking dipshit)that are going to Iraq, in Iraq and returned from Iraq. It is on a website for veterans and active duty so little sissys like you can’t be on it.

I could give a shit what your family has done and if you friends were in the military. It is still a FACT that you did not have the guts to join and server your country. People like you who bash the military, but have no guts to server should have ALL there right stripped.

I hope one day that you will need help from a soldier and they spit in your face and walk any laughing.

Not once in my time here at TR have I ever lied. You have twisted my words to make it seem like I have, but the fact remains I have been truthful. On the other hand in every post you make you twist were you are from and changed your story on many occations just to disagree with someone. You are a sorry excuse for a human and I hope your time here is short.

Go head report me, see if I give a fuck. It impress some of your followers.

LOL

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Very good ability to accept opinion. I see you don’t lose your cool or become upset easily. :^O

You’ve never lied.

Well you JUST finished telling me I have no idea who you speak to and how you speak to them regarding the Iraq war.

I then posted your own comment in full context, explaining who you speak to and through what medium.

That would therefore directly pfove that either your comment was a lie or complete BS. That’s not twisting anything, you simply forgot what information you had offered. Just as you have also forgotten where I am from and where I live, yet you say I have changed that too.

I have explained I am from England, I am a British citizen, I now live in Canada as a permanent resident, but not as a Canadian citizen, therefore I AM British, but reside in Canada.

Don’t get it yet?

As for my service, I was in ATC, Air Training Core for the RAF in England, mild scoliosis, and shuermans disease in my spine as a youth meant I could not continue. So your comments are once again null and void and without proof or substance at all.

Then you said I have no idea where you get your info from, I do. You lied.

You then said I am not consistent about my place of birth and residence, I am, it is very straight forward for someone who isn’t tied to a tree in teh backyard, once again you lied.

You then said I had no idea of military service, and was a pu$$y for not joining the service. I have a VERY good idea of military service. I grew up around it, Navy and Air Force, I was not allowed to continue into the RAF due to a spinal issue. Again you lied, it has nothing to do with balls, it has everything to do with the RAF not admitting people who couldn’t pass the physical. Thanks for asking, it was just a youthful disorder that I overcame when I stopped growing.

THEN, you say you have never lied. Again you have lied.

But I could just as easily just flame you and call you names (your insults are very elementary and immature by the way, not even degrading or cutting), that would just place my intelligence in line with yours though, so I will refrain from following your lead into the mud.

P.S. “I am PHUCKING tired of you insults tward the US Solders. You make them sound like a bunch of mindless pawns who will do what ever they are told.”

I have always been very clear that I completely support troops from ANY country that fights for it’s people, you just aren’t around enough to be qualified to comment on that issue. But if you are trying to suggest that soldiers aren’t just pawns in another man’s war/army, then you don’t have a freakin CLUE what you are talking about. At what point did GWB afford solders the ability to NOT “do whatever they are told”?

They don’t just “do what they are told”? Who’s army were YOU in? It couldn’t have been US, because they DO what they are told or face extreme consequences.

Your comments are just a list of;
Wrong, Wrong, lie, lie, wrong, wrong, lie, lie.

Funny how you haven’t even found a way to defend your original unqualified statements about Cat5 wiring, or offer a single rebuttal to the many reasons offered here, by myself and others, that it is NOT a good idea. Now you are on some personal vendetta to try and make yourself feel better?

Get some air, go for a walk, get a life.

More fucking lies coming out of your mouth

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You don’t have a fucking clue about the US Army so don’t even say you do. The soldiers in the US Army have the ability to say NO. So you have LIED. I served for 7 years!!! How many did you serve? I don’t give a fuck if you lived close to the military it is completely different then serveing. So you have LIED AGAIN. When you stopped growing did you try and join the military. No, because you are a coward. So AGAIN you have LIED.

I see through you and soon everone else will to.

LIAR

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LOL, actually someone else has offered to MEET me, someone obviously with more brains than you prove to have though. Anyone who would make personal idle threats to someone they have never met is either VERY confident of thier abilities or very stupid.

Gee didn’t you learn that one yet, know thy enemy?

You are a complete waste of everyone’s time, here. It seems that I am actually the only one dumb renough to bother trying to talk to you though.

You have offered comments in a couple of threads and pretty much everyone has run screaming, I seem to enjoy playing the game though, but even I am getting bored of your lies now.

But unlike yourself, I have the ability to respond and address questions when I am asked them.

First of all, don’t blame me if I was lied to about the US army. I have been told by several US service members that they are under strict orders. I didn’t realize that it is THIER fault that Iraq is a mess and not GWB’s. i didn’t realize soldiers come and go as they choose, eat drink and sleep when they feel it’s best and fight who they want to when they want to. I thought they had no control and were simply ‘deployed’ like pawns on a chess board, at least that’s how the rest of teh world’s army’s work. I apologize to George Bush, I though it was his call, but instead perhaps I SHOULD be blaming th earmy, as you say, they are the one s making these decisions. I thought that was someone else’s job and they took orders! Silly me, so what do generals do then if they don’t give orders?
You asked,
Reasons I never joined the RAF;
1) Military service is not deemed a rite of passage in other countries, it does not make one a man. Which seems to be a US delusion. Whereas many see the US military as the US answer to welfare and poor public education education, where they can earn some money and learn some skills. In fact, there have been several TR members weho agreed that THEY and many friends joined the Army for educational purposes. You better tell you rUS brothers that they are wrong too.

2) I was not living in England by the time I had outgrown these issues, but still suffer a lot of intyense back pain when worked, thus automotive is a hobby and not F/T now.

3)I cannot join the Canadian forces, age and citizenship cease that idea.

So you have no grounds again for your rash and unqualified conclusions.

As for calling you a liar, when you make assertions, follow themn with nothing but insults, then are proven to be making FALSE assertions, in this case knowingly, that is called being a LIAR.

Find a new way of dealing with people if you don’t think you’re a liar, your posts prove anything but.

As for an address, peer mail me, then I will tell you how to get here and give you my cell phone number. I don’t provide addresses on teh internet, that’s almost as dumb as providing your full email address on a public forum, where spiders and bots go to find addresses to build spam lists. You should know that, you’ve done it Paul. But if you ever feel like the trek up from Minnesota, drop me a peer mail.

Try to keep your titles a little cleaner, you will get the entire thread pulled, and the information the original poster dug up will disappear for future visitors. Grow up and be a man, the army hasn’t seemed to teach you f-all about logic or common sense, or social skills or conversational ability or anything else that makes people humans that can exist in society. 7 years of your tax paying citizens money down the tubes.

Again you fucking lie and twist words

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I only said US soldiers have the ability to say no. This by no means a blanket no as you would twist my words to say. You need to wake up and see the truth. US soldiers have alot of freedoms. You see them as mindless pawns. That is not only and insult but a LIE. You keep coninueing your attacts on the US soldiers through your blind hatered of Pres Bush. You are fighting the wrong battle and are so misinformed about the US military it is sad. Get your facts straight before you even try to insult the US soldiers. Nice of you to bash me for serving my country. You even try to insult my military career I will make a special trip to what ever country you claim to be from on that day. Oh, and believe me I come prepared.

It is funny how you keep walking around youe cowardness of serving your country. You were such a coward that you left the country. People like you always find excuse not to serve, but feel the need to put down those that do.

I bet the only US soldiers you have talk to are the ones who have deserted. Or maybe you have talk to some poser saying he was in the US military.

You are really starting to show your true colors now. Your lies are coming out and so is your cowardness.

Whatever

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Well Lobo, you’re not the first lunatic hare and you most certainly won’t be the last, but I’m done.

This discussion has been dragged off track, you have shown no respect for this site with your insults, you have dragged a non issue on and on and on. It’s just absolutely useless to consider speaking with you as being half intelligent conversation. In fact I am quite embarrassed that I have even bothered to speak to you in such a ‘brick wall’ fashion, your inability to follow discussion or comprehend the simplest of concepts is ridiculous.

Anyhow, bake yourself a cake, you have the last word…make it a good one and feel good about yourself.

Hey Oz, is this the same ‘girlie mon’ that ran off crying once before???

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What the hell is he doing back [b][i]here at TR???[/b][/i] You’d think he’d get wise to himself the way everyone else has, by now. As regards his military creds; just so much BS. Most guys who have served at the pointed end of things seldom talk about it and especially not to some snot nosed punk. The ones who do yap about it are usually REMFs who never got anywhere near anything more dangerous than a quadruplicate form requesting toilet paper or more MREs.
I pegged this anal sphincter as some wet punk whose Momma doesn’t know what he gets up to when she isn’t home.
You’re 100% right as regards Cat5. Sure it can be done but that doesn’t mean it should be done. Anyone who has ever had to have there office rewired to phoneco standards would agree with you totally.
Maybe this time this phucking a$$hole will leave for good.
Lobo, if you are reading this; Oz was probably referring to me when he mentioned about someone who threatened him physically. It was probably one of the more spectacular flame wars on TR but like most fun; it came to an end. These days if I wanted to kick Oz’s ass it would be by trying to drink him under a table and leave him with the tab.
BTW Oz, what do you know about [b]spirit bears[/b]??? I know thy’re somewhere in your general vicinity and I may have talked myself into doing a pro bono documentary on them. Don’t know how that quite came about but she was good looking.

[b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

Kermode bears

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Mr. Dawg, sir

Have seen them, but they aren’t really around here.
I saw them from a friends fishing boat one afternoon when I first moved here. Like small polar bears, but fluffier. Bit too rough to kayak across, but easy access by Marine Parks.

They are actually found a little farther North and on the mainland side, in the Queen Charlottes.

Viewing them is easiest, or at least most common from the water but they are native to Terrace, B.C, which you hit from the mainland.[i] Edit: I suppose they aren’t actually native to Terrace (they were probably here first), but that’s where they hang out. Unless you get clearance and fly into Princess Island.[/i]

Regards,
Snot nosed punk

P.S. That flame war wasn’t ‘spectaclar’, a poor choice of words. Perhaps mind numbimg, senseless, retarded, ridiculous etc. But it was one of the longest and most heated ones, wasn’t it? But I feel much better now….:)

~chuckle~

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aww, a documentary on the little fuzzy-wuzzy’s. 😉
she had better have been good looking.

Oz,
the name should be a good clue for the level.
IT_LOBO TOMISED

🙂

Nah

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He’s gonna say I got my cronies to gang up on him again.

Of course not realizing where Dawg and I go back to. Not that he’d understand if it was explained anyway. 🙂

sleepin’dawg You POS

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Don’t even try to question my military service or the service of the veterans and active duty I know. I served with honor an so did the other veterans and active duty I talk to every day. You are crossing a fine line. You have no idea were I served, how I served and when I served so keep your nose out of things you have no clue about. When you attack me service record you are not only attacting me, but all that have served with honor. It is funny when people try to use military terms to make them look like they know what they are talking about when they were to chicken shit to serve.

You can attack me all you want, as long as you do not attact me military career or the career of others who are/have served this great country.

Now go and keep kissing Oz’s a$$ and stick to what you know.

As for Oz’s I see you agree that you are a coward that did not have the balls to serve. You proved that by not repling to it. it is kind of fun when your own games get turned against you.

And now for something…completely different…

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If you’re tired of hearing bickering that started originally about a phone cable … come talk with me about beer!!!

hahahahaha

why don’t you kids kiss and make up? eh?

What the world…needs now…
Is love…sweet love…

God bless Burt Bacharach. 😀

LOL practice what you preach

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You just told sleeping dawg not to make assumtpions about your military service, then finished by slagging hm and saying he hadn’t served. I’ll let Dawg handle that one if he wants. As for sucking up, LOL, you really don’t know people’s personalitites here do you? I don’t think DAWG would ever suck up to me, nor anyone else for that matter. Like myself, he has a very strong opinion and simply does NOT suck up to people, us Alpha dudes don’t suck up to each other.

As for your suggestion that people get stung at thier own game, you have been caught at your own game in every post you make here, you simply don’t see reality when it’s smack dab in the middle of your face.

The issues you have raised here are so funnny for others to read, you really need to hit Print and save this one. If you read it like a book, you will be shown as a completely delusional liar that is simply all over the place without a hope.

As for answering YOUR questions, first I explained what exposure I DID have, then explained very clearly why I don’t serve now, not that it makes people real men as you seem to suggest anyway, if you are an example of what the military produces, then I feel sorry fr all the peers here who have served with those like you.

Lastly, you can’t answer even the simplest questions asked of you EVER, why the hell should anyone else be obligated to offer you any reasoning for thier comments.

YOu make completely absurd assertions, then support them with more completely absurd assertions.

Everytime you post, you either contradict your own comments, completely disregard the comments you are supposedly replying to or simply insult the poster. You show an educational level of an elementary school child, and that’s being kind on my part, you actually show NO level of thought, intelligence or comprehension whatsoever.

So again, I ask you VERY clearly and very stright forward?

[b]WHY, should anyone possibly give you a reasoned answer to ANYTHING you post?[/b]

That’s ONE SIMPLE question, and yet one you wil fail to answer. You either don’t read, CAN’T read or simply choose to be too stupid to respond.

Way to go OZ

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You have nothing better to do then to keep insulting me? You have been exposed as a lier and feel it nessisary to continue your insults and assumtion tward me. Wow, you must be a big man to do that on a forum. You just keep sitting there eating surfing the net for military people to insult while eating your cookies and milk. You do nothing bu make crypic post which give mixed information about yourself.

I really got pissed when you made backhand comments tward the US Military then you and your idiot friend attack my military service. You crossed the line.

If I were to give you a valid reason why my opinion matters would you even listen to it? I bet not. My opinion is different then yours so in your eyes it is wrong and should not be heard.

Some day your actions will catch up to you and you will have to pay for them in full.

IN other words, NO

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No, You do not read a single post you spew your insults at

No, you have no idea what anyone is talking about here.

No, you do not know how to formulate a logical reply.

No, you do not have even a grade school edcucation.

Whilst my posts are often filled with typos, due to my inability to type as fast as I need to, your posts are simply full of incorrectly spelled words.

I haven’t ‘severed’ in th? US military, I CANNOT server in teh US military.

I haven’t ‘servered’ in the British Military, I CANNOT ”server in the British military.

I haven’t ‘servered in the Canadian military, I CANNOT ‘server” in the Canadian military.

To this your reply is that I am a coward that runs from service. Last time I checked, military wasn’t drafting people, thus there is no running away from service. It’s not COOL, a rite of passage or a way to be a man, outside of the USA. So I suppose if I say I am not interested in servering in the military, then I am;
1) Insulting US forces
2) insulting YOU and your service prsonally
3)a coward that runs from service

(see how stupid your conclusions look?)

“You have been exposed as a lier and feel it nessisary to continue your insults and assumtion tward me.”

No, I have proven you were a lier [i](sic)[/i] by posting your own original comments followed by your more recent comments and that proved you were a lier [i](sic)[/i].

No, it isn’t nessisary[i](sic)[/i] to insult you, you insult your own intelligence with each and every keystroke you log here.

Nobody has EVER criticized your miltary exp[erience, well maybe Dawg but he’s an old military boy himself and can pass judgement on such issues, I have not nor have I EVER even insinuated as much.

I have said on NUMEROUS occasions that I respect any soldier for almost any force that fights for the freedoms of his country. You seem to think that my commenting on the FACT that they are mere pawns in someone elses political chess board, is some sort of insult to the military. You need to go and learn a few things about reality.

You SEEM to actually believe Sleeping Dawg and I are friends, thus once again proving you probably can’t even read. Sleeping Dawg and I are VERY far from friends, if you agreed with me on another thread and someone suggested we were buddies ganging up on him, you’d laugh your nutsack off, and that’s EXACTLY the relationship between Dawg and I. Dawg and I are sparring partners not two people who defend each other out of friendship.

You have failed to yet offer a logical reply to a single thread, I think that perhaps you have reading issues and can only KINDA understand what a few words mean and then just assume the rest is bad or something insulting. IAnd this is not an insult toward you, just a conclusion based on performance and a lack of relevance or logic in your replies.

However, you will once again say that this is an insult on YOU and the US military, and that I look for ways to ‘defame’ soldiers (that means reduce thier credibility or achievements).

So here’s my challenge.

1) post each and every case where I have personally insulted you (each one & not just some BS about always doing it, provide proof, which is what you never do)

2) post each and every case where I have personally insulted YOUR service and have taken any attempt I can to insult the US servicemen(women for thier achivements.

Better still, provide just a COUPLE of examples of each, you don’t even have to prove it is ALL THE TIME, as you so suggest.

You WON’T reply, because you CAN’T reply. THere ARE not examples you can post, there ?SN’T any proff of yoru comments, allegations. I suppose that in the end, when al is said and done, your last post is just ocne again. MORE LIES.

I PROVE your lies, over and over again. You SAY I lie but you have yet to provide a SINGLE example to support your…..LIES. I didn’t lie about where I am from, you just dont understand simple concepts.

I didn’t lie about my service, again I just don’t think you were able to understand a simple explanation, that I reiterated in case you were just slow or something.

I didn’t lie about YOUR lies, I proved them one by one.

but each and every word you type is pure BS, just complete fabrtication, it’s like you are having a conversation with someone else entirely! Do you have ANY idea of just how illogical, unsupported and truly insane your comments here have been.

So to get right to the point, that once again you have missed completely, CAT-5 cabling is NOT a good idea for any organization to run a KSU and multiple runs on a single cable.

I’ve been in teh phone busienss for years, as a sales rep and a tech.

Another peer here has said teh same, with a heap of support experience.

And now more poeple have also agreed, from experience. YOU seem to think this is just shooting down your ideas, NO, it’s correctign a BAD idea.

The original poster wil still probably do it anyway.

I need 300 valiums…stat!

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Christ…I think someone needs to order both of you to the corner for a “time-out”…

I know I’m not gonna go back and re-read everyone’s post…but for God’s sake…you’re both arguing who’s the bigger “lier”, asshole, etc…when neither of you is chaste in the namecalling department.

Just agree to disagree…hate each other…and move on.

MY GOD…it all starts over an argument about how to wire phones. I’d hate to see the abortion debate between you two…scud missles and HTL biological agents would abound.

Deep breath…

That’s it…

Think of Pam Anderson… all better ]:)

Don’t even try that shit with me

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It may work on a lot of the little kiddies that run around here but it will not work on me. I have an education, you need to stop making stupid assumtion just as an excuse to put others down.

Again you want to to bottle feed you. Again I will not. Go read all of your backhanded insults tward the US Military yourself from a soldiers point of view and see if they insult you.

You should really grow up and stop you bullying tactics on public forums. So I get alittle heated when some pussy who was to scared to serve and seems to always have an excuse why he didn’t serve. You are starting to sound like a 12 year old poser with nothing to do but flame wars. Remember you are the one who said you have been involved in many flame wars, this is the only one I have been involved with. The more you post the more the real truth comes out about you.

And as for pointing out all my spelling mistakes. Childish on your part. Lets see you point all your spelling mistakes and all the lies you have told on these boards. You have been exposed for what you really are and now are trying to cover it up by pointing out the fact I made a few grammer mistakes.

Now grow up and go back and read all of your insults and assumptions, not just tward me but to everyone on TR. Why is it that everyone on TR thinks you are an a$$? Could it be that you are?

You know we don’t need people like you in this world who fail to see other peoples views.

What a goof, way to prove my point

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First of all, I said you would not be able to offer a single., NOT ONE, case that supports your claims, and you haven’t.

Second of all, I said you would resort to simple insults, as that’s all you can do, you proved me correct again.

Thirdly, this has nothing to do with TYPOS, I actually explained the difference between your inability to spell anything and my typing problems. You failed to recognize missing a letter or reversing letters is different than having no clue how to spell something, try a thesaurus before you claim to be so educated next time. You have the spelling and grammar capabilities of a grade 6 student at most.

I also explained in DETAIL how to reach me, and as I am nowhere near as careless as some here, I don’t post such info online.

I also explained in clear detail that most people do not see military service as any sort of a certificate of bravery or balls. So your comments are pure shite.

You stil haven’t proven a SINGLE comment you’ve made, not one. Not even a single word from a single comment, just BS, LIES, and MORE BS. Where’s the substance? Where’s the proof? Where’s the support for all of our absurd notions that you spew and lie about? Where are all these PEOPLE you keep referring to, you can’t speak for yourself so you speak as a group of nonexistent people now?

Give your head a shake and and get a life.

I’m out on this one, flame away from your parents basement, mom’s gonna have your dinner ready soon.

Then I guess I win

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Now just leave me alone and find someone else to insult and attack.

Better yet, stop insult people just to feed your ego.

You have a good point

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Now just roll up some paper and make a hat to fit it.

You just can stop can you

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You have to continue to stroke your ego.

Someday you will realize that all this start with the why you post replies. Most of your replies are backhand slaps that feed your ego. You can not correct someone without trying to make them look lower then yourself, can you.

I know I have an anger problem and I know were it comes from, but you insult people just to try and puff yourself up. You are nothing more then a school yard bully looking for attention.

I know you are going to reply to this saying how it is all my fault. If you want to blame others for your own problems then go ahead.

Now just stop the attacks on EVERYBODY and we will all be happier.

Oz and IT_Lobo

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Check out this thread which is designed just for you guys:
http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=179657&start=0

IT_LOBO(TOMIZED), you’ve tripped over your own dick.

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[i]Don’t even try to question my military service or the service of the veterans[/i][b] and[/b][i] active duty I know. I served with honor an so did the other veterans[/i][b] and[/b][i] active duty I talk to every day. You are crossing a fine line. You have no idea[/i][b] were[/b][i] I served, how I served and when I served so keep your nose out of things you have no clue about. When you attack[/i][b] me[/b][i] service record you are not only attacting me, but all that have served with honor. It is funny when people try to use military terms to make them look like they know what they are talking about when they were to chicken **** to serve.

You can attack me all you want, as long as you do not attact[/i][b] me[/b][i] military career or the career of others who are/have served this great country.[/i]

This was lifted in its entirety from your post to me; the italics and emphasis were added by myself.

1st: Starting at the bottom and working up; at no time have I questioned the honor or integrity of US forces especially since I have served, several times with them. I do, however, question [b]your[/b] honor and integrity. If you have ever served, which many of us here doubt, state branch, unit, when and where. You will note I have not asked your ID but the above information is a matter of record and can be easily verified. I’ll take bets that you won’t supply this information as this would expose your lies to all and sundry. What I do expect will be a load of obfuscating lies and denials. As I have said; the requested info is easily verified. If you are for real, which I seriously doubt, you should have no problem with this. Do not worry about divulging this info on grounds of national security because what is requested does not compromise security on any level.

2nd: Your grammar indicates the reading and grammatical skills of, at best, a high school dropout, grade 9 I suspect.

3rd: Oz may be a lot of things but being my friend isn’t one of them, which both he and I will attest too and which anyone who has been around TR long enough, will as well. Oz and I will differ on many items but the one thing I do acknowledge are his computer skills and knowledge; probably better than mine, especially nowadays. Next to your indicated skill levels, however, I won’t worry about any competition from you.

4th: You are, without any doubt, a delusional, anal retentative little jerk who wants to run with the big dogs but you keep tripping over your own dick. If you want to run with the big dogs you have to at least get off the porch. You claimed you were leaving TR because Oz insulted you??? Frankly Oz and I are often at such odds that I initially wanted to support you but after checking it out I couldn’t find any instance of where he insulted you directly except perhaps in the correction of your many erroneous facts and/or out and out pretentious lies. In MHO, you are playing on your Daddy’s computer before he comes home from work and your Mommy is too busy making dinner to realize what you’re up to.

5th: Now you’ve really been insulted, so pick up all your marbles and run to Mommy and get the hell off TR. Ooops!!! It looks like I’ve crossed that “fine line”. I’m so afraid now; not. Flame away. I can’t recall having so much fun with my clothes on.

[b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

[b]P.S.:[/b][i] I served for 7 years!!![/i][b]Quoted directly from another of your posts. All I will say on this is;[i]Yeah, right!!![/i] Now PROVE it. Bet you can’t or won’t.[/b]

Note to Oz, he’s not a waste of time but a waste of resources. LOL

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And a waste of bandwidth to boot. ;\

[b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

Ok dipshit

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I joined the US Army Jan 4 1990 and did my basic at Fort Dix. I then went to APG were I did my IT as a 63W10H8 (The H8 would be a Recovery Vehicle Operator since I am sure you didn’t know). My first duty assignment was with the 7th ID Light with Charlie Company 79th FSB for 1 year Aug ’90-Aug ’91 (that was at Ft. Ord before they moved to FT. Lewis). After that I went to Germany and served with the 147th Maintenance Company (That would be part of 71st Support BN, 7th CSG) stationed in Schwienfurt GE (Sept ’91-Oct ’92), about a year there the company moved to Kitzingen GE were I remained until Dec of ’96. I ETSed backed to the states were I remained on leave and TDY for over 90 days (I am sure you are going to bitch about how you think that is not possible, well try reading some regulations some time)and I official ETSed on Mar 23rd ’97.

I could list all my awards and any other info you would like. Would you like the names of people I served with?

Now stick that up your a$$.

Nice

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YOu can hold a conversation all by yourself.

You make a comment, assume how it will be answere3d and then tflame the reply. Now THAT’S talent!

So when you say I am a coward for not being in the army, I have driven a two truck a couple of times, I suppose that’s what being in the army is like, huh? I didn’t get too much BRAVERY from doing it though. I also stop and help breakdowns on the highways, and I often get called to help people with no-starts in the mornings. Does that qualify me as an Army bot now? I really want to be a man, and seeing as how I missed the opportunity to join the Army, I’d really like to know how I can become a brave Army boy some other way, maybe by towing some more cars? Fix a few roadside breakdowns? I dunno, I feel that I was neglected now, every country I’ve lived in or visisted does not make a big deal out of military service. Now I am talking to Americans and find out that the Army is the only way to not be a coward! Man, what little I was told.

I have tried to end this

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but you continue to find new ways to attack me. Now you are attacking my military service? But didn’t you say you respect everyone that has service in the military? Which is the lie?

I see you have joined another thread and continued your insults. I see you want to bury a hatchet in my head. Is that some kind of threat?

So I was a mechanic and a recovery vehicle operator. Does that make me any less important to the Army?

Someday you will learn.

No you haven’t tried

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You have simply replied to all my posts with staight up insults. No information, no thought, no reason, just insults. Now I don’t know what country you are originally from, but in the English speaking world, when someone says “You are a ******* a****le, that is an insult.” This is not, as you suggest, trying to end anything.

As for your service, you have been boasting about how you are a man and not a coward because of your wealth of military experience.

Yet for some reason, I am lead to believe you have never fired a round in actual combat nor have been shot at yourself in combat. At what point did recovering vehicles in Germany (post WWII of course) make you a real man with big nads? I have several friends that have been stationed in Germany and none of them think, or act as if they are better men than those who haven’t served.

You are trying to insinuate that anyone that hasn’t been in military, is a coward. How does your military experience remove you from those people?

Hey, I didn’t start the other thread, I am just having fun with you/it.

The best and most entertaining opponent is the guy who gets riled and starts making ridiculous comments for no apparent reason.

The guy who just says, “sure you’re right” never seems to get much opposition. There ARE ways of walking away, and you have demonstrated none of them. What you have proven is that no matter how many questions one asks of you, no matter how many explanations people offer to your incorrect assertions, your only form of a reply is to insult them.

Now THAT’S entertainment!

P.S. I noticed that you HAVE chosen to ignore those that HAVE actually insulted you very directly though. Hmmmmmm, starting to wonder, make that always wondered, if your head is screwed on right. Did you pull a Klinger and get a section 8? (section 8 is for nutters, right?)

Lobo you are a classic REMF!!!

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Never heard a shot fired in anger but you seem to think you won the war. If you had pulled some Desert Storm duty, even in a support function, I might have given some credit to your posturing but pulling Rhine Time after Perestroika and after the Wall came down, was pretty much a walk in the park. As I stated previously, guys who have the creds to talk the talk, very seldom do so. Most of these guys figure they don’t have to because for the rest of their lives, they [b][i]know [/i][/b] they’ve walked the walk and anything less is just so much [b]BS[/b] that “girlie mon” REMFs spew in an effort to justify their existence. You basically didn’t do much more than change oil and do grease jobs and drive a truck or two. The guys who did that during the Storm at least heard some shooting. You’ve got awards??? Yeah, riiight!!! Unless they were handing out Purple Hornets for cutting your finger on an oil can, you don’t have any. You’ve got a bunch of qualifying badges and a bunch of “I was there” tags. Bet you don’t even have a CIB, which above all else, would win you some element of respect. You’re nothing but a [b]wannabe[/b]. You’re not even a [b]has been. You’re a [i]never was.[/i][/b] Now run and tell your Mommy that the big bad man just pissed in your porridge. Get real and stop trying to impress everyone with the creds you don’t have. You make yourself look ridiculous. There are real soldiers out there, whose boots you aren’t fit to shine. As for shoving anything up my a$$, what with all the scar tissue and scrap metal I’ve got back there, the only thing that could possibly fit would be your lips or nose. Now you can put [b]that[/b] where the sun don’t shine!!! By now I should be well across your “fine line”, so what are you going to do about it??? Flame me??? Go right ahead!!! I’ll be soooo scared!!! However, it will provide a lot of laughs for all the others here on TR. It’s been ages since we’ve had anyone so ridiculously laughable around here. Bet you’re so PO’d about now, you’ll have to change your underwear. ROTFLMAO ;\

[b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

You never asked if I was deployed

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I was TWICE to SWA. Once when the Kobar towers were blown up (and yes I was injured and helped alot of soldiers and airmen who were injured). Go check it out, the 147th Maintenance Company was deployed there 2 times during the early to mid ’90s. You never asked what I did in the Army, just were I was stationed. Keep attacking my military service, it must make has beens like you proud. I bet you never left the base. I bet you got injured sticking an M16 barrel up your a$$. I bet the only people shooting at you were your own troops.

You are just a has been who regrets he was ever born.

So keep on attacking my military record if it makes you feel better.

WOW Lobo speaks truth too!

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I KNEW you could do it.

You finally made one statement, though I am pretty sure it doesn’t apply to Sleeping Dawg, he’s done his time;
“I bet the only people shooting at you were your own troops.”

That’s not a bet, that’s a suck in. Anyone from ANY country serving alongside the US has been shot at by US troops. In fact most people NOT in the military have been shot at when anywhere near US troops too. That’s a given.

Other nations/allies have often complained about serving near US troops, some have even refused to execute thier orders as it would place them near US troops, who they simply don’t trust to be shooting the right people all the time.

Pretty soon your allies will stop wearing cammo and start donning bright orange hunters vests and hats. Perhaps an amber warning light strobing atop thier helmets would help.

Oz, don’t dump on the USA because of friendly fire incidents. They happen..

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in just about any army. I’m more curious about where in hell SWA is and just what the Kobar Towers were. If it’s what I think it was, it was a real cluster f*ck in which somebody screwed up big time and the only honor to be derived from it was to survive.
Lobo if you know anything at all, you might ask how a Canadian was awarded an honorary CIB and jump wings with a star, which I treasure dearly, while serving with US troops out of Fort Bragg. This was given to me by the guys I worked with and mean more to me than any gongs I may have won because I forgot to duck. For what it’s worth, I was leading troops and the people who gave those things to me were enlisted not commissioned but were given with the approval of command. As a Canadian on TDY we were supposedly not in line for any US decorations. We weren’t but I guess I must of got those hanging around the back door. Hmmmmm???
Now you sniveling little jerk, you’ve made me blow my own horn something I seldom have done and something which real men and soldiers hardly ever do. So what does that make you??? An artificial man??? A pretend soldier??? Perhaps a grease monkey with delusions of grandeur??? Who knows???
One thing for sure you are about a quart low on your technical skills. Remember nobody knew how ignorant you were until you opened your mouth and told them. Then you tossed a hissy fit because you got called on it. The 147th Maintenance Company??? Was that an all female unit or what??? Are you PMSing, perhaps??? What’s the difference between Lobo(tomized) and a rabid b|tch rotweiller??? Answer: Lipstick.
It must really burn your butt to find out that Canadian troops have served honorably alongside Americans and got recognized for their efforts, even if unofficialy. Before you start another of your tirades, you might consider just what kind of troops get/got deployed from Bragg back in the sixties. I was only assigned there for six months but I can assure you, a very interesting was had by all. SWA??? Try to remember that American acronyms are not always recognized everywhere. Pity, that but until I know for sure what it means I will remain less than impressed by it or for that matter you. Once again I’m ROTFLMAO!!! ;\
To quote Oz, give your head a shake. (Oz, I hope you don’t mind my borrowing it. LOL :^O )

[b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

Wow, you really don’t know

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SWA = Southwest Asia

Kobar Towers = Bombed by a terrorist in ’96

Now you are dumping on the Unit I was assigned to. Man you are never happy are you.

Not everyone wanted to be a grunt when they joined the Army.

Grunt = meat puppet

You see that I have been deployed twice but you still attack my service because of the MOS I choose when I joined.

How did you get injured in the a$$? Was it when you were running away or hinding, crying in a ditch?

Wow and I’m supposed to remember every minor incident from 10 years back.

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19 dead and 200 casualties and Clinton promised to hunt down and punish the perps. How did that hunting and punishing bit work out??? Yup that was some incident considering you weren’t even in action but sitting around playing target. BTW wasn’t the 147th some sort of Nat’l Guard unit,if memory serves correctly. Most of those can’t/couldn’t find their a$$es with both hands even if you gave them a map and a flashlight. I’m real impressed there, meat. Those Nat’l Guard support units have reeeal big cohones, not. What was it; too afraid to serve at the sharp end???

All this still doesn’t disguise the fact you know squat on the technical front. You pick up your qualifications via DV benefits??? BTW nobody gave out easy benefits to ‘Nam vets or Korean vets or WWII vets. If they could walk and talk they got zip but stub your toe in the Middle East and they assess you at 50% for which the American tax payer picks up the tab. Way to go there Twinky. Your Mommy and Daddy must be soooo proud of you, that is when they’re not being totally disgusted by you. Guys like you blow the Right to Life argument all to hell. Now, your turn; flame away!!!

[b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

Apologies Dawg

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You’re right and you know very well that although I crap on the US, I don’t crap on the soldiers for doing thier jobs. BUT, it is undeniable that friendly fire is WAY out of hand with US troops.

Sure it happens, and when you have mreo soldiers it happens mreo often. But these cases where people have been killed due to someone’s own negligence or haste has just become far too common these days. Perhaps it was mroe evident in Afghanistan but it is stil a serious issue when many British troops have refused to fight anywhere near Americans. Tank crews in Afghanistan were refusing to fight as they would be easily ‘mistaken’ for enemy and shot at etc.

But you knw very well that I support soldiers, even though I don’t always support the ones who create the wars.

In the case of Lobo, he said I attacked soldiers duty because I said they are pawns in another mans war. They are given orders and execute them, to which he seems to feel that soldiers make up thier own minds and can refuse orders without major repercussions.

Hey Oz you forgot one minor item.

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The use of military force is foreign policy by other means or another way of saying it is, military force is just an extension of foreign policy. Most sane military people despise war but do look upon it as a means of promotion and career advancement. I know that’s a very cynical view but that’s the way I thought as well as most of my confreres, when we were in. We didn’t start any wars or get involved until or unless the politicians said so. Most of us considered the military as a profession, just like any other and if action was the way to promotion and career advancement, then so be it. Until I actually typed this I really had no idea of the depths of my cynicism. Seriously though, how many wars would there be if the political leaders were forced to serve at the fronts. How many wars would there be if soldiering was confined to those over 35. If it accomplished nothing else, it would certainly provide the means of getting rid of a lot of deadwood. Another thing to consider is that wars would be fairly short. Can you imagine Martin or Harper at the front??? Or Bush, Blair or Putin for that matter??? ;\

What a lot of people don’t realize is that most who enter the military consider it a profession, almost like working in industry. Yeah it does have a dress code but if you’re on the career track in a lot of companies there is a dress code. Most of your time is spent 9 to 5 with some shift work thrown in every few weeks or months. You will sometimes have to make business trips but don’t most companies ask that of their employees. The work is fairly routine most of the time, maybe even boring but every now and then something will happen that will heighten your pucker factor, either that or scare the crap out of you. What the hell, civilians pay good money at amusement parks and here the army goes and provides it for free. Trust me when I say there is nothing quite like experiencing routine boredom punctuated by a few minutes of out and out fear and terror. I’m not saying I would willingly choose to repeat my experiences but for whatever it’s worth I’ve never achieved the same levels of excitement as I did then. If I hadn’t met my first wife, I probably would have stayed in but she hated the army. She thought of us as a bunch of practising alcoholic school children who were playing at cowboys and indians. The words National Defence or National Security held no meaning for her. I wonder how she feels now with the threat of terrorism lurking around the corner. Anyway I got out only to face up to the corporate world and all its challenges. I’ve managed fairly well, I guess but I have missed those moments of excitement.

Wow!!! I’m sorry about all this but I’m working on my 3rd double Scotch and it just seemed to roll. Sorry about the rambling. Your turn next time.

Ciao,

[b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

Frankly I’m starting to feel this Lobo twit should just be ignored. Everything we say seems to only encourage him and when you look at it clearly, he just isn’t worth it. I guess that makes him worthless. :^O

Try doing some research before you open your mouth

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The 147th Maintenance Company is an active duty unit. Go check it out.

Do some research before attacking me or the units I served with.

Geez Lobo, that the best you can do???

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I would have thought a big swinging dick like you would have had more to say unless, of course, I hit a little too close to home; either that or your Mommy is watching over your shoulder. Oh boo hoo hoo. Mommy doesn’t want her little girl telling lies. BTW we didn’t know the US Army actually had the qualification or rank of dipstick. Oh dear!!! Did the big bad man say bad things to you deary???

[b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

SD

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Well, hope your sitting down, I am going to agree with your view here, even your political views. Hey, that didn’t hurt so bad afterall.

First, I had to laugh upon reading my last post, I noticed I made the same typo on the same three words ‘mroe’. It’s the same as my famous ‘teh’ typo. One day I’ll actually get it down pat though (If you believe that).

Anyhow, a few points with regards to your last post;

– Even though it was just your personal feelings I could hardly disagree anyway.

– I REALLY like your idea of having the leaders on the front lines, it would be two men (surrounded by tens of thousands) that either walk away or just kill each other. In most cases, everyone else would just stare at the lifeless body’s of thier former leaders for a few seconds, then shrug and walk away to get on with thier lives again. War (in the scale we know it now) would disappear pretty quick.

-Don’t worry about droning on, you’ll never catch up to me on that one.

Note about Oz calling people in

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[i]”I see Oz is recruiting more of his mindless minions to attack me. Soon they will see that Oz is full of himself and find a new person to follow. It would be a good idea for you guys to get a thought of your own once in awhile.”[/i]

I have only heard of OZ calling on people to give anyone a hard time and it wasn’t for Lobo. It was because someone new asked a valid new member question and got railed by another new wannabe.

Lashing out at everyone that comes by will not help anyone either.

Keep the posts logical, coherent and to the point it will go a long way towards the credibility of your posts. Get emotional, defensive, and vague and crediblity suffers a big hit.

Now kiss and make up you two. (no tongue)

JD you can’t ask Oz to do that!!! He might catch the Avian Flu………….

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from Lobo’s [b][i]chickenshite!!![/i][/b]:O. Hopefully Oz has seen the dangers of getting too close to the chicken and it’s chickenshite and has taken the precaution of upgrading his flu shot and anything else that might be catchable from that paranoid, anal retentive, little twit. I hope we’ve seen the last of him but I’ll bet he’s so gutless that he’ll change his alias and we’ll be getting more of his drivel under another guise but he makes so many grammatical errors he shouldn’t be too hard to spot. I’m not sure about Oz but I know I’ve scraped crap like him off my shoes and I’ll bet Oz has too.

[b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

Dawg grammar check

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“I’m not sure about Oz but I know I’ve scraped crap like him off my shoes and I’ll bet Oz has too.”

I am glad you closed with “I’ll bet Oz has too.”

Otherwise I think another comma should be in there somewhere.

It reads like; I don’t know about Dawg but I know I’ve scraped crap like him off my shoes.” Shouldn’t there be SOME comma somewhere to make it seem like you’re not the crap?

Maybe I just read it funny that’s all.

But if you ever do get the chance, scrape me off your shoes, your keep dragging your feet and I’m getting road rash. 😉

After rereading it, I can see what you mean.

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Put it down to jet lag. I’ve been back and forth, across the continent twice this past week and have to admit, that when I posted that, my tail was dragging a touch. What the hell, I gave you credit for having enough smarts to figure it out, which you did. I just dragged my sorry old butt out of the sack a half hour ago and still feel like I’d have to rally before I could croak. I’m beginning to think I’m getting too old for this type of hassle. Errors , like I made, are quite possibly at the root of a lot of misinterpretations that escalate into flame wars. Thanks for pointing it out.
Later,

[b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

Completely understood

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I’ve been to Toronto and Montreal twice in the last three weeks, I don’t know if I am up or down right now. To top it all off, it was opening day at teh PNE and I had a band booked for a week in the beer garden (new 1000 seat beer garden, quite cool really) and another for promo on the mainstage opening night. It seems like it’s 7Pm but it’s not quite 1:30. Of course the travel back and forth came right after a concert in the US that really drained me of everything I had, I didn’t even stay for the second show in California, just absolutely waxed these days too.

I actually chuckled when I read it, obviously your intent was clear, but I had to read it twice to refrain from an instant flame back again. 🙂

You came to Toronto, and didn’t want a beer?

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Standing offer of a trip to the Biere Market – you missed it.

Maybe Gadget Girl will come over….

James

Toronto??? Yegawds!!! How did you beat the bordom???

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Watching paint dry is more fun than Toronto. In Montreal we have all kinds of festivals which Toronto makes a lame effort to try and copy and you can buy beer and booze every day of the week.
Montreal’s Jazz Festival is supposedly the biggest in the world now; bigger than Newport or Montreuil. Toronto’s effort isn’t even a pale imitation. During the Montreal Festival I was chugging a few beers with Slowhand and Buddy Guy. They weren’t here to play, just to take in the festival. Last year Buddy Guy was playing here along with Etta James. Very cool stuff.
BTW Clapton is here for most of the Jazz Festivals.

[b]Dawg[/b] ]:)

Would have loved to

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Well guys I have to admit I did think about it, I even posted on TR once or twice in the eves but it was worse than a rock tour.

Fly out to Montreal at 5AM, meetings ALLLLLLL day, no lunch just a quick snack in the boardroom, dinner with the same people (more shop spew all night) then back to Van in AM. Meetings in Vancouver and out to TO the AM (don’t know WHY I had to come back first, I think I can fix that logistical boo boo in the future). In Van the next afternoon eat sleep meetings for a few days, lather rinse repeat the next week.

Just a headwrecker but an absolutely phenominal position to be in, just damn good luck of saying the right thing in the right place and at the right time. Now I need sleep, doing the four hours max a night for a while now.

Getting ugly, eye bags and dark rings, eating sporadically feel like shite, gonna go nighty night now, maybe next time, buh bye.

So True

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In real life implementations, you need to stick with the standards, else you will get no help from the fat cats. They will look for any excuse to void your service call freebies.

If you never plan on asking for help, giver. Just know that under my roof, there will be no strange custom jobs. You always need to consider the fact that the person responsible may not always be there to decipher his nest.

You’re right, and there are other reasons too

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You’re right, they don’t want to support problems that MAY be due to twisted pair wiring. Just as any OEM manufacturer as you remove ALL peripherals or additional uncertified RAM modules to test a system before they replace faulty hardware.

A key issue, is that the telco uses balanced pairs, niether wire is at ground potential, so poor quality or system dialing performance is usually not an issue with [b]ordinary untwisted pairs[/b]. This means that if you have sound issues, it MAY be due to your use of CAT5, therefore the manufacturer will often not touch it until you replace it all, as they are generally teasted to perform with standard Cat1 or often even Cat3 with fewer tiwsts. You can pay them to fix it or do it yourself again. People using Cat5e or Cat6 with systems(other than larger server based systems, unified messaging etc.)will often have thier warranty voided for not installing the system as per the company’s recommended guidelines for best performance.

I’ve seen them void waranty coverage for not having a specifically ‘manufacturer trained’ technician install it, even by third party phone companies that aren’t Man.Certified or a certified tech that’s not certoified to install a specific system.

The economical factor is screwed completely too when you cable multiple phones to one jack. It’s faster and SLIGHTLY cheaper initially (for those who can’t run multiple lines).

If one phone is dead due to a bad pair, you need to install a new run, at worst it would require the other phones being down while the faulty cable is removed, unless a second cable is run before being cut over.

It done all the time, tech sites boast it all the time. But it’s NOT the great idea it’s made out to be, though it is fun and easy for the techs. Too many IT trained folk feel they have adequate IT skills to install, program and configure phone systems (whereas that’s a 4 year course on it’s own) and these are the lazy shortcuts that often waste company time and money.

Yep

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Before we renovated here (basically re-built the entire building) I did a lot of the cable installations myself (yes it was a pain the a$$). Everything I did was to spec, standard specs that is.

Come renovation time when we hired a professional cable installer to re-lay the 200+ lines of CAT6 he and I were doing the geek shop talk thing. Got into talk about cable specs and all. He says his company refuses to support repair jobs that show evidence of someone doing a custom cable “job” (ie. splice, etc.). They only do repairs based on original installs done to standards.

Finally when it comes to IT , I see another huge reason why you stick with standards and common procedures for doing certain things — makes it a whole lot easier if/when you leave the place — for the next IT guy that has to support it. And, this looks better on you as a professional.

Plus in the silly politics that happen at work sometimes its much easier to defend something done to spec then to fuss around for an explaination on why you did something your own way.

But that’s all just my way of thinking.

Bad Idea

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It is a bad Idea to do both telephone and network within the same cable shieth, the reason being is that cat5 cable is specifically designed to reduce the inductive force of 010101010101010101010101010101010101010 over a cable pair, by colliding the inductive fields against each other and cancelling them out, if you add another signal, say a -48 V carrier with a 41000Hz AC Voice Carrier to it you are essentially adding
0101010101010101010101010101010101010100001001010101010010010 from the inductive perspective of the pc. So… Where the inductive fields are paralell they are multiplied which causes even more induction. You will never get the performance of running one machine one cable. try running GBE over it then load test it I guarantee you will see the problem. Sure, it technically works, but as networks evolve you will see tons more rip and repull due to this issue. On the short runs <50' it is a moot point the induction is minimal, but you put it on a 300-350' run and it becomes very apparant.

--> just go Glass it is prettier!

SA-

Did this line work out

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I was woundering if you had any problems and if so what were they? Static,or bad connection etc..

from the center out!

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when you build a phone cable vs Cat5 just start with the center two pins and work your way out reversing the trace and the solid every other line. Cat5 will actully clean up some induction noise frome line to line and rf-recep induction We don’t use anything else.

SA-

No worries..

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As long as you use the same color pairs on both ends, things should be fine.

Sound Idea

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I like the idea of running Cat5e and using RJ11. The reason
is rather simple. When (NOT IF) you upgrade your phone
system from a simple digital PBX to VOIP you only need to
change the ends to RJ45 and you won’t have to re-run ALL of
your cable.

No need for RJ11

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If your running Cat5 cabling for your phones and the possibility of doing VOIP is in your near future I would recommend just using standard Ethernet jacks (RJ45) for your phones. I’m a Toshiba Certified Telecom Tech and we always just use standard Ethernet jacks when using Cat5 cables for phones. We will also terminate them on a Cat5 patch panel in the equipment room with the rest of the network cabling.
You can plug a regular RJ11 phone cord into a ethernet jack so there is no reason to do a RJ11 jack on a cat5 cable, this way you can use your cables for either voice or data. Using separate types of cable (Cat3, Cat5, etc..) and different jack types for voice and data is getting out dated.

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