+ 0 Votes Why??? w2ktechman 7 years ago I am in favor (or favour) of the 2-week waiting list with a bacground check, but I personally would not support a bill to take away the right to bear arms. Why would anyone decide that this is the best course of action? Criminals often do not obtain their firearms legally anyway, so we would really be disabling our own protection if our rights on this were taken away. Gun owners though, should be required to take courses in GUN SAFETY. Even if the laws do not reflect how much safety is needed, people should be responsible for their firearms, especially if children are present in a household. It is people like you, that over 1 incident, try to change the laws to screw up everything else that we stand for. If you do not like your rights, then get the heck out of MY COUNTRY! + 0 Votes People like you. . . . . maxwell edison 7 years ago .....are the most dangerous people in America. + 0 Votes Making gun ownership illegal TonytheTiger 7 years ago would make little difference to an intentioned criminal! (Duh! they're criminals... they don't give a rat's *** what we make illegal!) It would make a lot of difference, however, to those who want to protect themselves from an intentioned criminal. So what is it you are really asking for? + 0 Votes A proposal to reduce gun violence sn53 7 years ago I believe your heart is in the right place. I also believe that your proposed solution is simply the wrong approach. If we ever decide to get serious about gun violence we will insist that all public servants must be armed and trained to effectively use their weapons. Imagine if every government employee were armed and skilled in the use of their weapons. Imagine that every student with a government scholarship had to carry a gun they knew how to use. Then some very bad person would not have the ability to walk around for a couple of hours killing and maiming the innocent. There would be trained people with guns everywhere. Remember that for a while bad men would show up at grade schools with guns intent upon doing evil? Why? Because people with very poor critical thinking skills declared schools to be gun free zones. What better place to start a massacre than in a place guaranteed to be free of armed opponents. Instead every school teacher and teachers' assistant must be hired and retained based upon their skill in the classroom and on the firing range. Pay the expert marksmen something extra each month. And double the salary of any teacher who bags a bad guy before he can harm the students in her charge. Do you really want to end gun violence? Then arm yourself and be prepared to defend not only yourself but others who happen to be nearby. + 0 Votes Duplicate sn53 Updated - 7 years ago Duplicate + 0 Votes Criminals don't care about the second amendment AV . 7 years ago They buy guns illegally and always will. Taking away the right for legal citizens to bear arms isn't going to stop people with criminal intent from getting them illegally. The scary thing is that this can happen anywhere at anytime. If not with guns, then another weapon of choice. Look at Timothy McVeigh. Considering the amount of people in this country and its diversity, I don't think we have a high murder rate. There are always going to be those with criminal intent and people that snap. I don't know of any way to identify who those people are. All you can do is be vigilant. AV + 0 Votes The problem is not so much with gun violence mjwx 7 years ago But with violence in general being socially accepted in US society which makes gun violence so pervasive. As an Australian who agrees with gun control and a former gun owner (I sold my guns when I moved to the city, mainly because I would have nowhere to shoot them). I agree with restricting assault weapons leaving pistols, rifles and shotguns available to anyone who has 1. a gun license and 2. police clearance. This is more or less Australia's stance at least when I last owned a gun. Restricting weapons in the US will be ineffective for two main reasons (discounting weather or not Americans want to give up their guns) and they are 1. There are already a huge number of assault weapons in the hands on the general public. 2. There is no national framework for dealing with weapon infractions, currently gun laws and penalties for violating gun laws differs from state to state, meaning to get around California's restrictive gun laws one needs only drive to Texas (or possible Nevada) and back. Please correct me if I have any of that wrong. What is actually wrong is that violence is seen as a solution rather then a problem. People who feel worthless in US society see it as an option to go out in a blaze of glory, seeking revenge for the perceived wrongs done to them. I believe (that's the operative word, beleive) that this is caused by two things, the popularity class structure in American society (which is why I think that school shootings have become popular) and the glorification of violence. I don't think movies and video games are responsible for this, an unstable person will suffer just as much damage from Hello Kitty Adventure Island as they would from Half-Life or S.T.A.L.K.E.R. It's more of the nature of the others around them, when the Quaterback (stereotypically the pinnacle of American teen society) see's "kicking someone's ***" as the best means of dealing with a situation, this filters down the social ranks without a better influence to teach them otherwise(science and tech used to be one). This extends into most parts of US society the idea that a war is the solution (war on drug, poverty, flavour of the month) this combined with the fact that fear tends to sell very well in US mass media. the rest of this post applies to Australia As for gun control in australia, it's effective, although its very easy to stop weapons from entering australia illegally. The naysayers (In australia and elsewhere) will say that it hasnt changed crime rate, where they have decreased slightly and we've gone against the worldwide trend when they have risen (worldwide). I personally find the maxim "if guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns" to be disingenuous as well. We don't have the gang violence problems that have increased in some American cities (some Asian cities as well, I'm not singling out the US here). We do have gangs, such as Asian and Lebanese gangs but they are armed with little more that a stick or maybe a knife, which makes even the dumbest gang member think twice before attacking anyone as even a unarmed opponent has a good chance of winning. The only criminals in australia who routinely carry firearms are the organised ones, such as the bikies, who predominantly deal in drugs. Because there are such a small number of illegal weapons and weapon carriers the police have the resources to come down on every gun murder like a ton of bricks giving a disincentive for crooks to shoot people like mad. + 0 Votes George Bush, President, and super-human. TonytheTiger 7 years ago Not only does he single-handedly create hurricanes and change the global climate, he travels back in time and puts the second amendment in the US Constitution! What a man! + 0 Votes Raise your hand anyone if you don't think the anti-gun crowd OnTheRopes 7 years ago is ready to go nuts over this tragic incident. <br><br> It's "loopy" to hear GWB <b>support</b> an Amendment? Are you kidding? + 0 Votes School shootings outside the United States maxwell edison 7 years ago http://holology.com/shooting.html#16 http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html Include: Australia Netherlands Branneburg, Germany Freising, Germany Erfurt, Germany Alberta, Canada Montreal, Canada Scotland Yemen Sweden Bosnia-Herzegovina Argentina Yea, I know, it's happened more in the USA, but we have a much greater population and more schools than any and/or all of those countries. Maybe someone will bother to do a per capita comparison. The point being, however, is that these things are not exclusively American, and they are not prevented by more stringent gun control laws. And actually, the restaurant shooting in Texas ~10 years ago would have been LESS severe had one of the "law abiding" citizens not left her handgun outside in her vehicle (intentionally and as required by law). Instead of reaching into her purse to retrieve her handgun, Suzanna Gratia Hupp stood by helplessly and watched her parents get killed.