Silly Question?

By Anpadh ·
OK. Here we go. I am not a techie and never have been. I do enjoy working with computers and learning about them but I know zip about hardware -- and when I say zip, I am probably overstating my knowledge. I know a little bit about software but only a little more than the average non-techie, not nearly enough to be considered anything near being a software expert.

Now, here's the thing. I want to change my field. I am an English teacher. I want to switch over to the computer field. Money is the main reason. I won't deny that. But also, over the years, I have been failing to develop crucial educational tools simply because I don't understand computers. My research tells me that the future lies, not so much in a particular software, but in managing systems and networks. All software, ultimately, needs to work with the hardware, while the hardware can always adapt or ignore most types of software.

I have decided to work toward the CCIE certification. I know it takes a great deal of knowledge and several years of work. I know it is fairly expensive too. I know I need to get CCENT and CCNA certification and other certifications, en route to the CCIE. All of the comments I have read on this board state that it is damn near impossible to pass the CCNA test without actually working in the field before taking the test.

And that is what leads to my silly question: How do I get an IT job without any certification? It seems to be a Catch-22 situation. I need certification to get the job but I cannot possibly pass the certification test unless I already have a job.

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Is 'Anpadh' a pseudonym for BALTHOR ? ...

by OldER Mycroft In reply to Silly Question?

If not, you should look him/her up on TR.

He/She will be able to formulate a seemingly nonsensical reply that will strangely make sense to you.

Of that I am certain.

Personally, I always wanted to be an astronaut but for some reason NASA never seemed to be able to ignore my morbid fear of heights.

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I am not Balthor.

by Anpadh In reply to Is 'Anpadh' a pseudonym f ...

I am glad I was to make you laugh. I suppose people who are doing well always have the time to laugh at those who are not.

Perhaps it is as impossible for me to learn IT skills as it is for a person with a fear of heights to become an astronaut. I won't know until I try.

And, in any case, I would not laugh at anyone who was simply doing his/her best to make a living rather than relying on charity.

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It's not only successful folk that tend to laugh ...

by OldER Mycroft In reply to I am not Balthor.

And I most certainly was NOT laughing AT YOU, I was applying mirth to the predicament, not the person.

Even miserable grumpy folk sometimes laugh when the opportunity presents itself - look at me!

However, by your own pen, you write that you have zero knowledge yet wish to change career midway in order to become an expert in I.T. for the betterment of the content of your wallet. THAT formula in itself is comical, particularly when some IT staff are currently hanging onto there jobs by their fingernails.

Tony Hopkinson's suggestion holds water in my book - check out the writing angle. Technical Authoring always needs good, creative linguists. :)

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Miserable, Grumpy Mycroft!

by Anpadh In reply to It's not only successful ...

Of course, when I call you a miserable, grumpy person, I am not laughing at you, only at your predicament. I suppose you have no choice but to laugh at others to make your miserable, grumpy life a little more cheery.

A little bit of thought would have told you that if I did have experience in a field I would not, in fact, be CHANGING my career. Change implies difference. And while I do plan to work toward expertise in my new field of choice, I certainly do not assume that I am an expert already. But I also do not assume, as you do, that it is impossible for me to achieve expertise simply because I do not possess it already. In fact, I would think there would be no point in trying to acquire expertise in a field where I already had expertise.

At one point, I had no experience of qualification in any field whatever. By your logic, therefore, I should have never tried to be successful in anything. However, I have been successful in more than one field already. That those fields no longer offer me a sufficient income is as much due to the changes in technology over the last 20 years as to the change in the economy over the last two years.

Certainly, if you are able to survive with zero dollars in your own wallet, I encourage you to do so. That others (in IT or in any other profession) are barely hanging on to their jobs is no concern of mine. There are teachers who are barely hanging on to their jobs. So, I suppose you would discourage anyone from becoming a teacher. There are senior bankers who have recently been fired from their jobs. So, I guess nobody should go into banking. Senators have lost elections. So nobody should aspire to be a senator, I suppose.

About the only profession I don't see anyone getting fired from (if you can call it a profession) is that of being a grumpy, miserable person. However, I would not recommend it to anyone, except you, to take that up as a profession, because you are the only person I know who recommends that a person should take up a profession only to have an empty wallet.

Certainly, if that is your definition of success, you are sure to be very successful. You are already grumpy and miserable. As you have no value for money, emptying your wallet should be easy for you.

As to Tony Hopkinson's suggestion, I value it too and I have responded to it, with respect. However, as you seem to value your own opinion above all else, you have not taken the time to read my response to Mr. Hopkins.

By all means, continue to laugh at myself and others and our predicaments as it seems to be your main form of entertainment. Normally, I would feel sad for someone like you but, as it appears to be your definition of success, I congratulate you!

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Least effort = Maximum effect apparently ...

by OldER Mycroft In reply to Miserable, Grumpy Mycroft ...

For the first time in almost 2 years, I've made a minimalist foray into the working possibilities for the life of another TR peer and inadvertently generated a furore of disgruntlement and malcontent. All of which appears to be aimed at me, firmly slung in my direction.

Sheesh, all I did was to attempt to illustrate that you don't have to be successful in order to laugh at an ill-thought-out proposition.

Sadly your elaborate rebuttal is as badly thought out as your misinterpreted malcontent.

By all means, do it - go for it - switch lanes and blunder into an industry that you have to train in, just as the entire economy goes into hibernation.

Had you proffered this ideal some years back, my response would have been much more approving. However, in the present economic climate and given your 20 year history in Education, your intended career-change is blinkered in the extreme.

#1 Training courses are a necessity.
#2 Graduates of those courses are currently experiencing placement difficulties.
#3 The job market you are aiming at will become increasing populated with the unemployed that are already qualified and experienced.
#4 You may well find your 'availability' for starter-positions ignored due to your age.
#5 I didn't notice any mention made of you having taken any form of aptitude test.
#6 You might have misjudged 20 years in Education as 'proof' that you are capable of working in an industrial field.

But, really, you're probably right. What do I know anyway? I'm just a disgruntled grumpy old man.

As I always say - better to be a has-been, than to be a never-was.

Pardon me while I just go off and suck on my two hundred and sixty nine Thumbs ...

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by Snuffy09 In reply to Least effort = Maximum ef ...

that last part was great :)

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Not laughing

by BubbaGlock In reply to I am not Balthor.

You CAN pass the CCNA without working in the field, HOWEVER, pick a school with lots of hands on labs. No one was born with experience. I passed it first time and although I had lots of software and some hardware experience, I had never configured a router. If you have the desire and hunger to excel in the field, go for it. BUT don't go after it just for the money. That alone won't get you there. You have to enjoy the technology or don't go there.

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by Mehul Bhai In reply to Is 'Anpadh' a pseudonym f ...

Anpadh means "UNEDUCATED" in Hindi/Urdu.
It seems that "Anpadh" is an either Indian or Pakistani Student In US of A.

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Excellent observation - well done! nt

by OldER Mycroft In reply to Anpadh
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