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Since when were MCSEs' required to be VBScript or ASP.NET experts?

By Big Ole Jack ·
I'm seeing more and more jobs out there requiring MCSE certification as well as expert knowledge in VBScript and ASP.NET. Not any one of the cert exams touches on scripting, nor do I believe that Microsoft even requires scripting knowledge of MCSEs'. Are prospective employers confused as to the difference between server/OS engineers and developers, who I see as being scripting and ASP.NET experts? How many of you out there are MCSEs' and also experts in scripting or know someone who is? If scripting should be a required skills among MCSEs', shouldn't Microsoft require it to be included in its MCSE curriculum? What are your thoughts?

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I think it helps...

by cmiller5400 In reply to Since when were MCSEs' re ...

I am not an MCSE, but I am studying to be one. I think that scripting can definitely help in the job and has its places, but ASP.NET should not be required. Scripting is one thing, writing websites is another. In my opinion, a small section of the basics on VBScript is all that is needed. If we can get an MCSE, we should be able to pick up scripting fairly easily.

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I'm MCSE certified and I don't know squat about VBScripting

by Big Ole Jack In reply to I think it helps...

I use 3rd party tools like ASE from ITripoli to write my scripts. I think there should be some sort of public outcry or backlash against ignorant employers who are requiring a rediculous list of scripting requirements on top of the basic MSCE certification and hardware knowledge. This goes back to my previous rants about annoying recruiters who blast me with jobs that require the "ideal" candidate to be an MCSE, website developer, Cisco Engineer, DBA, and everything else under the sun, for the price of a desktop support position.

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WANTED: MCSE with expert knowledge of UNIX, LINUX...VB script, JAVA, J2E...

by Locrian_Lyric In reply to I'm MCSE certified and I ...
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LOL....not in this country I hope!

by Big Ole Jack In reply to WANTED: MCSE with expert ...

Wanted: Professional truck driver with microsurgery experience. Yeah..good luck with that one!

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Here's one to laugh at. They want MCSE to manage their voice mail system

by Big Ole Jack In reply to WANTED: MCSE with expert ...

Dear Jack,
Our direct client, a firm based in New York, is looking for an Active Directory /Exchange Analyst. Salary: DOE
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Ability to design, build, AND implement Active Directory and Exchange
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Experience integrating Exchange with voice systems <B>"Excuse Me but MCSEs' don't do voice mail systems!"</B>
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Network experience (routing designs, communications carriers, routing protocols to support failover scenarios) <B>"Now they wan't a CCIE ontop of an MCSE?"</B>
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A plus is experience with MPLS networks, and multi-vendor/partner models. <B>"MPLS? Sorry, but they don't teach that in MCSE school!"</B>
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Well...

by Kjell_Andorsen In reply to Here's one to laugh at. ...

I doubt they're looking for an MCSE specifically. Sounds like they're looking for a Systems Engineer, and while Systems Engineer is part of the MCSE title, knowing just the stuff you learn studying for the MCSE does not make you a real-world Systems engineer.

As I said earlier, in real life the MCSE will only teach you part of what you need to know to be a Systems Administrator or Engineer. The job description listed seems pretty reasonable to me for a senior level Systems/Network engineer to me, as data and voice networks become more converged you can bet your sweet *** that Network admins will be expected to know at least the basics of VOIP and PBX administration.

As far as understanding routing you should know the basics at least from the 70-291 and 70-293 Exams, again for Senior-level positions (the ones that pay good money) you'll be expected to know more than what's taught for the MCSE courses.

I dunno, I mean what exactly do you expect? That you'll get a job that only covers things you studied for your MCSE?

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What's the best way to learn it short of wasting a week in class?

by Big Ole Jack In reply to I think it helps...

I've tried reading books published by MS Press and all it did was put me to sleep. Do you recommend any other books other than by MS Press to quickly learn VBScript and WMI?

Thanks.

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My Background

by cmiller5400 In reply to What's the best way to le ...

My background is in programming, so VBScript just was really easy to pickup. I usually read books online at http://www.books24x7.com They seem to have a decent library, I mainly use them just for reference.

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Scripting and Admins

by Kjell_Andorsen In reply to Since when were MCSEs' re ...

Well I agree with other posters that some scripting knowledge is very useful for Windows admins, but I don't know if you need to be an expert by any stretch. I know the basics and get by just fine. If anything I'd say Powershell would be the most useful scripting language available now.

I suppose ASP.NET would be useful if the job involves alot of Web administration and IIS, which isn't too uncommon.

I have 2 more exams to go before I have my MCSE 2003, but if there's one thing I know from my time actually working as a Sysadmin it's that to do your job you will need to know alot of stuff never mentioned in any of the MCSE material, and that there's a bunch of stuff you learn fro the MCSE that you will likely never use in real life.

This doesn't mean the MCSE isn't useful, I've learned a ton of useful stuff studying for it, but the skills taught as part of that curriculum are not the Alpha and Omega of systems administration.

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Easy answer

by wayne62682 In reply to Since when were MCSEs' re ...

It's required because businesses want to have someone that can do two or more job descriptions for one paycheck, instead of having to hire multiple people. That way they pay you one salary (the lowest-paying one) to do Networking/Support/Programming/DBA work, and save money on having to hire four different people for four different salaries.

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