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That's the final straw: someone get me out of the UK

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That's the final straw: someone get me out of the UK

gadgetgirl
[rant]

Ok, that?s it, I?ve had enough. This was the final straw for me.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/2008/03/05/margaret-hodge-in-too-white-proms-row-89520-20340661/

A complaint by a MINISTER that the British Proms are TOO BRITISH.

On the television news last night, they even complained about the flag-waving during ?Land of Hope and Glory?. WHAT?!

Now look. Application of common sense, please. We ARE British. Yes, we have other cultures in our midst, but we live in BRITAIN. We do not live in BritIndiPakiAfriZealandOzCanadAmericEU.

If someone comes over here to live from another country, they must think we?re a nice place to be. AS IS Why do we have to change?

I have no objection to making certain allowances for other cultures/religions, and yes, I treat everyone equally regardless of race, religion, culture, gender etc., but surely the basis of people coming over here in the first place, is to want to be here as it?s better than their original home. So why try to change it and make it INTO what/where they have left?

Have I lost the plot, here? ? No, don?t answer that.

Why do we have to have separate laws for separate cultures and religions? No matter what their origin, these people are now in BRITAIN. They are here for a reason ? it?s better than where they were, so why try to bring in differing statutes to the rest of us?

I?m not getting at any culture or religion (you know me better than that) but I just want to know ? if anyone cares to answer ? why we should let others decide what is now to be considered British, and what isn?t.

Has my logic tilted, or am I looking at this all wrong? It?s actually ?us Brits? that I?m getting tee-ed off at, for allowing ourselves to be de-culturalised (is that a word?) in the first place.

This is the final straw, for me, in a long line of things that are appearing to de-British the British. It?s becoming a stupid country in which to live.

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Anyone over there want a lodger? (Clean, neat, tidy, house-trained, and can cook?)

GG

Edit: multi-tasking - can't spell and rant at the same time....
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    tintoman

    ok so it wont get you out of rip off britain but we can while away our years ranting about the state of the country.
    In the end it takes a lot to understand how any country could pay such close attention to the "feelings" of other cultures over something like the proms and at the same time bomb the crap out of afghanistan and iraq and whoever happens to be next on the list.
    The reality is that while people are killing each other for entertainment our beloved government amuse themselves by concentrating more important issues like dreaming up more ways to tax us, and close post offices, and hospitals...and schools.....razor blade anyone?

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    gadgetgirl

    there's only 150 miles difference!

    Oh well.

    However, I'll yell if I'm passing your way!

    nice to know it's not just me......

    GG

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    JamesRL

    I have sung in various choirs and participated in a number of Last Night of the Proms concerts. This despite the fact that Canada and Toronto in particular is becoming far more diverse. They generally sell out. And yes they wave UNION JACKS!!! And we sing 'God save the Queen', something we used to do in pubic schools in the 60s, along side 'O Canada'

    How much of it is newcomers and how much is political "correctness'.

    James

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    gadgetgirl

    but at the moment it feels more like 75/25.

    We're already known for being "PC gone mad" and for using leniency when we shouldn't - oh, see todays EU rant on celebrity drug takers for that one, I'll edit in a link later - but so many are getting away with allsorts just because they "don't understand our culture" it's ridiculous.

    If I have time, I'll post personal examples later.

    GG

    Edit: add link specified above -
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7278943.stm

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    Tig2

    But keep in mind that the US is no better. And in some ways worse.

    Google Australia Country Rant foreigner. Don't be surprised to discover that Australia handled a similar issue differently- as in "If you don't like our culture, you are welcome to leave."

    I can't say that it will get better. But it will only change if the people WANT it to change.

    Sorry sweetie. That's just the way it is.

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    gadgetgirl

    that's how WE should be doing it.

    If you don't like it, leave, or don't come here in the first place.

    Hmm. US worse? From what I've seen of the Obama/Clinton debacle, you could very well be right.....

    GG

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    Keighlar

    We can't even agree to simply make English the official language.

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    gadgetgirl

    Trust me.

    I have a works email account stuck solid on US spelling.

    That ain't English to us Brits!

    GG

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    Ed Woychowsky

    Y'all should have copyrighted English. Just think of the revenue that you missed-out on.

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    gadgetgirl

    if we'd invented spool chockers too, just think of the amount we could have fined you for incorrect spelling....

    Would have written off the WWII debt 20 years earlier....!

    (that was HUMOUR, dear, HUMOUR .... )

    GG

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    jmgarvin

    ...that read the last part as if Foghorn Leghorn wrote it?

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    Ed Woychowsky

    Chicks dig me.

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    oy!

    gadgetgirl

    Ah said watch an' learn, boys, watch an' learn....

    <giggle>

    original reference was totally unintentional, but as a FL fan, I can see which left field that came from!

    GG

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    jmgarvin

    Now you've got me doing Foghorn to everybody!

    I say there boy...I say...I say....Now ya'll gotta do this right.

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    Ed Woychowsky

    Have you ever figured-out who a co-worker would be if they were a Looney Tune?

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    Keighlar

    We can't agree on AMERICAN for the official language.

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    LocoLobo

    Every once in a while we get a scott or english worker here. I have to keep reminding them I don't speak english. They need to translate to american for me. lol

    :)

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    seanferd

    What is the other choice?

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    LocoLobo

    Esta perfecto!

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    jmgarvin

    Esperanta (or whatever it was called), back in the 70's/80's? Wasn't that supposed to be the new "American" language?

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    gadgetgirl

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto

    Hmm.

    I'm now going to have to read and ensure that if I learn it, it doesn't make me Oomotic.... ;\

    GG

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    The Scummy One

    we were all supposed to learn Japanese, because they were
    buying up everything.

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    gadgetgirl

    Pucckaya?

    (that's the only non cyrillic way I can think of spelling that!) :)

    GG

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    LocoLobo

    Must be acceptable spelling though. Yahoo returned several links (in cyrillic). Several seem to be discussing Quake. Is Pucckaya a virtual lingo?

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    gadgetgirl

    ]:)


    GG

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    Ed Woychowsky

    Rats, now I have to cross the UK off of my list of places to run to. Looks like all of those English classes were wasted.

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    gadgetgirl

    just don't plan on staying!

    Or on anything being THAT different to where you are now!

    As for the English classes - hmm... did you take dialect classes too??!! :)

    GG

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    Ed Woychowsky

    Let's see...
    Hood = Bonnet
    Criminal = Hood
    Truck = Lorry
    Post = Mail
    American = Yank

    I really should study-up and re-read the "Two Fat Ladies" cookbooks.

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    gadgetgirl

    that's English English!

    If you want to study up, have a look on YouTube for things like The Likely Lads and Auf Weidersehen (sp?) Pet for Geordie, listen to Coronation Street and Eastenders also for other dialects, and try (just try, mind you) following Jamie Oliver on one of his first cooking programmes!

    Then, and only then, will you have *done* dialect!

    Geordie translator: http://www.whoohoo.co.uk/geordie-translator.asp

    Geordie dialect:
    http://www.bobjude.co.uk/geordie/index.html

    Enjoy!

    GG
    ]:)

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    Ed Woychowsky

    That I wasted my time learning <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_American_English">Southern</a>.

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    GSG

    but did you learn Hillbilly? Also, have you ever gotten directions from a Hillbilly or Southerner? You want to get to Walmarts? (note the S on the end), well, ya go straight down this here road, and turn left at the Johnson place. Old Johnson, well, he died nigh on 50 year ago, and his daughter married up with the Wilson boy. Go straight, and turn right at the big oak tree on the Hoggett farm. 'Course, no Hoggetts have lived there since the Depression. They lost it for taxes, and them govmint men sold it, and nobody's made a go of it yet. We had some univerity fella down here who thought he knew everthing, but he lost the farm in just a couple year. Go straight for 50 mile, and ya'll see it on the left.

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    Jaqui

    to understand.

    at least I knew exactly what you were saying in geordie in the podcast. before you gave the definition of the comment

    and I had never heard geordie before.

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    gadgetgirl

    having got a new headset and mic last weekend, I'll get on skype and put you to the test!

    (not Saturday - <fanfare> I'm going out! </fanfare> )

    ]:)

    GG

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    Jaqui

    make me install skype agin

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    rwalton

    Sound just like here in the Red, White and Blue USA

    do you do windows ?

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    gadgetgirl

    vertigo!

    (and I'm vertically challenged, too!)

    GG

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    jdclyde

    I think your gunna like it
    I think your gunna feel like you belong....


    This is not new, and it is something we have been complaining about in the States for some time now. Globalists don't WANT a national pride because it is easier to erase borders and move to the new world order of a global government.

    I know how much you love the EU trying to dictate to you, just imagine if it were a global union instead?

    oh, the humanity.

    You can join me in my bunker if you wish luv. Plenty of food and ammo, so we can hold out for years, and if you join me it will help make up for not having one of those "furnace" things....

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    gadgetgirl

    In essence, it seems as if national pride is becoming a thing of the past.

    Sadly.

    No furnace? Oh.

    I'll need central heating, then......

    GG

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    Locrian_Lyric

    ...you are a Nazi.

    Ergo, nationalistic self-loathing is embraced to prove that one is NOT a Nazi.

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    jdclyde

    is what I call a heating system... ]:) And EXACTLY what I had in mind.... repeatedly....

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    gadgetgirl

    did I know that?!





    GG

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    jmgarvin

    It's irritating to see the US subverted because somebody wants to save a buck.

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    GSG

    You know all those separtists who live in bunkers living in Montana.

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    jdclyde

    It is looking like we will have another Democrat President, and you know how them Dems like to execute separatists and the families of separatists in Montana...

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    GSG

    Come down here where I am in SW Missouri. It's nothing but hills, trees, and caves, with an occasional town in between. I could set you up in the back 40 in a nice cave complete with a bear or mountain lion. Just take your pick.

    Disclaimer: I make no guarantee of survival if said bear or mountain lion gets hungry.

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    jdclyde

    I could handle, they don't shoot you in the back from 300 yards away.

    Are the caves dry? ;\

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    GG

    maecuff

    Come stay with us! That would be awesome. You can just pitch in with the rest of us. Of course, things ARE a little different here. :) We speak English, but it's 'merican English. It just ain't the same.

    my husband does a pretty good British accent, so he could make you feel right at home.

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    jdclyde

    Not that I really even know what a crumpet is.....

    pip pip, cherios? :^0


    Ah, the thought of GG within a daze ride.... ]:)

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    maecuff

    I had a crumpet for lunch. They have them at the grocery. Just look where you find refrigerated English muffins and bagels.

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    jdclyde

    trying going to Canada and get "Canadian Bacon" on a pizza. Of all the places in the world you would expect to be able to get it..... :0


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    Ed Woychowsky

    You also can't get Boston Cream Pie in Boston, but you can get a Philly Cheese Steak in Philadelphia. I think people just make-up names for food to make them sound better.

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    JamesRL

    Really corny movie, that "Canadian Bacon".

    And in Canada, no one calls it Canadian Bacon. Its peameal bacon.

    Never had it on pizza - because its so lean doesn't it get tough?

    James

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    jdclyde

    but you don't see it as much anymore.

    Canadian Bacon, easily the worst movie John Candy was ever in.

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    Jaqui

    usually I hear it called back bacon.

    since it is nothing more than the pork tenderloin smoked into bacon.

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    JamesRL

    Peameal is smoked, pickled and coated in pea meal to keep the juices in, hence the name.

    James

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    gadgetgirl

    I think you'd like those, too.

    Hey, we gotta get Beth and Sonjawithaj working on this girly night, haven't we?

    GG

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    maecuff

    We could solve all the world's problems. Or at least ***** about them. :)

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    Forum Surfer

    Otherwise you'll be stuck listening to a bunch of whining far left-wing liberals <cough, cough> like in California <cough, cough> and other places through out the good ol USA. We're so far gone here that displays of national pride like making our kids recite the pledge of allegiance while standing at attention facing OUR flag have "offended" so many people. Our flag is a sacred thing that many, many people have fought and died for. Our kids should be taught to show that the utmost respect from a very young age. My son is 5, knows the pledge, can sing along to the national anthem and knows that it is very disrespectful to let our flag touch the ground when raising or lowering it. Your countrymen/women should treat your Union Jack the same way and not abandon traditions in fear of offending someone. If you find it offensive get over it or get out...

    Sorry, had to follow your rant up with a rant from across the pond!

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    gadgetgirl

    It's not a Union Jack.

    That's politically incorrect.

    It's gender specific, ergo it has to go.

    It's been The Union Flag for around ten years.

    (But don't tell anyone here - we still call it Jack....! ]:) )

    GG

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    Forum Surfer

    That's where it all starts...divide us first and foremost between genders as (most often) that is the easiest way to spot differences between people. Then segregate us into nationalities. Next thing you know we're all segregated with no sense of national pride. I'm not even from the UK and it seems kind of disrespectful to call it anything other than Union Jack. Hmmm...good ol' "Union Flag"?! Lol, it makes y'all sound like a bunch of wusses. It's the "Union Jack" because I say so...along with the 100's of your fellow country men/women that stood beside my friends in the 82nd Airbourne over the years. :) Cheers to ya..you sound like you could use a cold one, lol.

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    The Listed 'G MAN'

    'Jack' should only be used for the flag when it is flown as a jack (a small flag flown at the bow of a ship)!

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    gadgetgirl

    that's the ensign!

    GG

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    The Listed 'G MAN'

    Terminology

    The issue of whether to use the term "Union Flag" or "Union Jack" is a matter of some debate. One view is that "Union Jack" should only be used for the flag when it is flown as a jack (a small flag flown at the bow of a ship),[1] but it is not universally accepted that the "Jack" of "Union Jack" is a reference to such a jack flag and is only an educated guess.[2] Since "Union Jack" is a proper noun, the term is equally correct when the flag is flown on land.

    The Flag Institute, the vexillological organisation for the United Kingdom, stated that the term Union Flag is a "relatively recent idea". It also noted that "From early in its life the Admiralty itself frequently referred to the flag as the Union Jack, whatever its use, and in 1902 an Admiralty Circular announced that Their Lordships had decided that either name could be used officially. Such use was given Parliamentary approval in 1908 when it was stated that "the Union Jack should be regarded as the National flag".[3]

    When the flag was initially introduced, in 1606, it was known simply as "the British flag" or "the flag of Britain". The first use of the name "Union" appeared in 1625. The word 'jack' was in use before 1600 to describe the maritime bow flag. By 1627 a small Union Jack was commonly flown in this position. One theory goes that for some years it would have been called just "the Jack", or "Jack flag", or "the King's Jack", but by 1674, while formally referred to as "His Majesty's Jack", it was commonly called the Union Jack, and this was officially acknowledged.[3]

    The 'Jack' part of the name may also have come from the name of King James I / James VI of Scotland, who inherited the English crown, uniting the two kingdoms. Jac is from Jacobus, Latin for James. King James was fond of attaching his name to items of national importance. Other examples include the King James Bible, commissioned in 1603, and Jamestown - the first English speaking settlement made in North America under King James' rule (1607).

    The size and power of the Royal Navy internationally at the time could also explain why the flag was named the "Union Jack"; considering the navy was so widely utilised and renowned by the United Kingdom and Commonwealth countries, it is possible that the term "Jack" did occur due to its regular use on all British ships using the "Jack Staff" (a flag pole attached to the bow of a ship). Even if the term "Union Jack" does derive from the jack flag (as perhaps seems most likely), after three centuries, it is now sanctioned by use, has appeared in official use, and remains the popular term.

    The BBC website disregards the term "union flag" because of its "great potential for confusion", preferring union jack (in lower case)[4]. The Merchant Shipping Act 1995[5] refers to the national colours of the United Kingdom as "the Union flag (commonly known as the Union Jack) ?".

    The term "Union Flag" is less well known outside of the United Kingdom[6][7], and may refer to other union flags.

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    gadgetgirl

    I thought NeilB was the resident pedant on here.....

    GG
    ]:)

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    Forum Surfer

    Wikipedia (from whence that was quoted) isn't a viable source of info. :) "Official" or not, the entire world knows what you're referring to when you say "Union Jack", not so with "Union Flag".

    Anyway, the Sex Pistols called it the Union Jack, so that's good enough for me! Anything else is just bollocks, lol...

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    neilb@uk

    NITS(tm), when cutting and pasting from Wiki or other on-line source, does endeavour [1] to remove the reference tags from the text or include the references themselves. To leave your text scattered with numbers [2] is pretty damn lazy!

    Neil :)

    [1] NITS(tm) standard of writing. Author NeilB 2008.
    http://tinyurl.com/39mz9q

    [2] How not to make an already boring post a complete pain by leaving crap in it. Author NeilB, 2008.
    http://tinyurl.com/39mz9q

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    maecuff

    I always enjoy your thoughs.

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    The Listed 'G MAN'

    Did not care that much to go through and remove them. Was just for information. Nothing wrong with a little Ctrl C, Ctrl V every now and again.

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    Ed Woychowsky

    We could start our own country, like the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conch_republic">Conch Replublic</a>. I nominate Tigger2 for president and Gadgetgirl for Vice President.

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    gadgetgirl

    Are you treasurer?

    Can I hit you for the cost of airfare to the Inaugural Meeting? First Class?

    Five star hotel?

    Please?

    GG

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    Ed Woychowsky

    Like everybody else I'm broke.

    How about we start our country in cyberspace? We could start with an election and once we have a leader we could apply for aid from other nations.

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    gadgetgirl

    you think.

    Aid from other nations, hmm? Can we ask Nigeria perchance?!

    ok, cyberspace it is.

    Hey, Jaqui just started doing hosting.... could we live on him?

    ]:)

    GG

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    Ed Woychowsky

    Diplomatic immunity.

    Before we start I need to re-read <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Evil-Geniuses-Nutshell-Illiad/dp/156592861X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1204732978&sr=1-1">Evil Geniuses in a Nutshell</a>. Maybe if I scrape the glow-in-the-dark stuff off a few thousand watches we can be a nuclear power.

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    gadgetgirl

    Diplomatic Immunity
    Diplomatic Immunity
    Diplomatic Immunity
    Diplomatic Immunity
    Diplomatic Immunity
    Diplomatic Immunity
    Diplomatic Immunity
    Diplomatic Immunity

    ............... have I got it yet? ..........


    Diplomatic Immunity
    Diplomatic Immunity
    Diplomatic Immunity
    Diplomatic Immunity
    Diplomatic Immunity
    ....................... Ed? .............

    GG

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    Ed Woychowsky

    Now you can get-way with more things and if you're caught they can't do anything to you.

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    Jaqui

    but then I could tax us. ]:)

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    jdclyde

    be the one to decide and administer proper punishment.... :0

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    gadgetgirl

    extra loud repeating show tunes for 24 hours!!



    ( )

    GG

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    NickNielsen Moderator

    Hmm, let me think. No, not just JD. Everybody. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnjkb4q6FKU

    Allow me a cruel chuckle. ]:)

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    gadgetgirl

    you could tax us, yes, but for some of us, would you allow payment in (un)kind?? ]:)

    GG

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    w2ktechman

    the religion of SCUM....'

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    Ed Woychowsky

    Apple Computer: the only company that can get tax-free status as a religion.

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    w2ktechman

    a religion based on not taking responsibility for your own actions (such as a large part of the public). Hence the religion of SCUM (see, it fits). Basically, do as you want, and if you get into trouble 'your religion made you do it' :^0 What an awesome thing. To always have an excuse handy!!!

    Currently there are many high up positions needed to be filled, so post your loyalty now and receive a free membership!!!
    Later, when we start taxing..er..I mean charging a percentage of income (to make me and the higher ups rich), you can gain

    Of course the Diplomatic Immunity thing is sooo much more cool And the option of getting aid for being such a poor country

    So your idea is better still, and you also have the option to tax This means the country idea has a much better ability to make execs rich... And I am not even one of them

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    Jaqui

    the taxer and head of religion. ]:)

    since I am the head of my religion

    I get to screw the people both ways. ]:)

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    maecuff

    It's good to be the king, huh?

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    gadgetgirl

    you're wanting it all ways again, aren't you?!

    GG

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    GG

    maecuff

    I think that is the nature of that beast. :)

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    Jaqui

    naw, I have it.

    not my fault that my "wiccan" beliefs are unique, making me the only "Member" of my religion.
    if there isn't anyone else, I'm both the higest and lowest ranked member of the church.

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    Na

    jdclyde

    gg is already the Queen, why would she lower herself to be a Vice President?

    If she is going to be involved in ANY kind of vice, it WON'T be in an office.... ]:)

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    gadgetgirl

    I was so busy trying to get over there, I missed the "vice" remark.

    Nice pick up there, jd

    Now, where's the batmobile? It's got all the vithe in thatth needed for thum fun....

    ]:)

    GG

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    Ed Woychowsky

    GG, if you want to get even with JD, just appoint him Ambassador to Mongolia.

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    gadgetgirl

    OUTER Mongolia. Right?

    <gigglefit>

    good one, Ed - do you happen to know if they play showtunes there?

    (ok, jd, I'm ducking..... )

    GG

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    Ed Woychowsky

    GG, there is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball-peen_hammer">a cure</a> that JD might try to get the showtunes out of his head. From personel experiance I know it also works for the Disney <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_a_small_world">It's a Small World</a> song.

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    The Listed 'G MAN'

    If the UK was to split on to England, Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland the term British would not exist anyway.

    Looking at recent events Scotland wants independance from Britain. Now without Scotland, there would be no Britain (as there would be no GB to union with N. Ireland).

    If Scotland went there is not much doubt that Wales would follow close behind.

    So the term 'British' is getting old hat anyway (or so it seems).

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    gadgetgirl

    they've divvied up everything else - why not good old Britain.

    Doesn't seem to be much to keep it hanging around for.

    GG

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    neilb@uk

    Great Britain is a geographical and not a political entity. The Scots, Welsh and the patriotic English, for all that they might wish or say otherwise, are British by being natives of the Island of Great Britain. The Northern Irish are not British unless you twist the definition into a political entity.

    Neil :)

    The chances of sufficient numbers of the Welsh being stupid enough to vote for independence is very, very slim. The Scots may be stupid enough but I think that they would come to regret it.

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    tintoman

    ok so it wont get you out of rip off britain but we can while away our years ranting about the state of the country.
    In the end it takes a lot to understand how any country could pay such close attention to the "feelings" of other cultures over something like the proms and at the same time bomb the crap out of afghanistan and iraq and whoever happens to be next on the list.
    The reality is that while people are killing each other for entertainment our beloved government amuse themselves by concentrating more important issues like dreaming up more ways to tax us, and close post offices, and hospitals...and schools.....razor blade anyone?

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    gadgetgirl

    there's only 150 miles difference!

    Oh well.

    However, I'll yell if I'm passing your way!

    nice to know it's not just me......

    GG

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    JamesRL

    I have sung in various choirs and participated in a number of Last Night of the Proms concerts. This despite the fact that Canada and Toronto in particular is becoming far more diverse. They generally sell out. And yes they wave UNION JACKS!!! And we sing 'God save the Queen', something we used to do in pubic schools in the 60s, along side 'O Canada'

    How much of it is newcomers and how much is political "correctness'.

    James

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    gadgetgirl

    but at the moment it feels more like 75/25.

    We're already known for being "PC gone mad" and for using leniency when we shouldn't - oh, see todays EU rant on celebrity drug takers for that one, I'll edit in a link later - but so many are getting away with allsorts just because they "don't understand our culture" it's ridiculous.

    If I have time, I'll post personal examples later.

    GG

    Edit: add link specified above -
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7278943.stm

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    Tig2

    But keep in mind that the US is no better. And in some ways worse.

    Google Australia Country Rant foreigner. Don't be surprised to discover that Australia handled a similar issue differently- as in "If you don't like our culture, you are welcome to leave."

    I can't say that it will get better. But it will only change if the people WANT it to change.

    Sorry sweetie. That's just the way it is.

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    gadgetgirl

    that's how WE should be doing it.

    If you don't like it, leave, or don't come here in the first place.

    Hmm. US worse? From what I've seen of the Obama/Clinton debacle, you could very well be right.....

    GG

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    Keighlar

    We can't even agree to simply make English the official language.

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    gadgetgirl

    Trust me.

    I have a works email account stuck solid on US spelling.

    That ain't English to us Brits!

    GG

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    Ed Woychowsky

    Y'all should have copyrighted English. Just think of the revenue that you missed-out on.

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    gadgetgirl

    if we'd invented spool chockers too, just think of the amount we could have fined you for incorrect spelling....

    Would have written off the WWII debt 20 years earlier....!

    (that was HUMOUR, dear, HUMOUR .... )

    GG

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    jmgarvin

    ...that read the last part as if Foghorn Leghorn wrote it?

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    Ed Woychowsky

    Chicks dig me.

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    oy!

    gadgetgirl

    Ah said watch an' learn, boys, watch an' learn....

    <giggle>

    original reference was totally unintentional, but as a FL fan, I can see which left field that came from!

    GG

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    jmgarvin

    Now you've got me doing Foghorn to everybody!

    I say there boy...I say...I say....Now ya'll gotta do this right.

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    Ed Woychowsky

    Have you ever figured-out who a co-worker would be if they were a Looney Tune?

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    Keighlar

    We can't agree on AMERICAN for the official language.

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    LocoLobo

    Every once in a while we get a scott or english worker here. I have to keep reminding them I don't speak english. They need to translate to american for me. lol

    :)

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    seanferd

    What is the other choice?

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    LocoLobo

    Esta perfecto!

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    jmgarvin

    Esperanta (or whatever it was called), back in the 70's/80's? Wasn't that supposed to be the new "American" language?

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    gadgetgirl

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto

    Hmm.

    I'm now going to have to read and ensure that if I learn it, it doesn't make me Oomotic.... ;\

    GG

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    The Scummy One

    we were all supposed to learn Japanese, because they were
    buying up everything.

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    gadgetgirl

    Pucckaya?

    (that's the only non cyrillic way I can think of spelling that!) :)

    GG

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    LocoLobo

    Must be acceptable spelling though. Yahoo returned several links (in cyrillic). Several seem to be discussing Quake. Is Pucckaya a virtual lingo?

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    gadgetgirl

    ]:)


    GG

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    Ed Woychowsky

    Rats, now I have to cross the UK off of my list of places to run to. Looks like all of those English classes were wasted.

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    gadgetgirl

    just don't plan on staying!

    Or on anything being THAT different to where you are now!

    As for the English classes - hmm... did you take dialect classes too??!! :)

    GG

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    Ed Woychowsky

    Let's see...
    Hood = Bonnet
    Criminal = Hood
    Truck = Lorry
    Post = Mail
    American = Yank

    I really should study-up and re-read the "Two Fat Ladies" cookbooks.

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    gadgetgirl

    that's English English!

    If you want to study up, have a look on YouTube for things like The Likely Lads and Auf Weidersehen (sp?) Pet for Geordie, listen to Coronation Street and Eastenders also for other dialects, and try (just try, mind you) following Jamie Oliver on one of his first cooking programmes!

    Then, and only then, will you have *done* dialect!

    Geordie translator: http://www.whoohoo.co.uk/geordie-translator.asp

    Geordie dialect:
    http://www.bobjude.co.uk/geordie/index.html

    Enjoy!

    GG
    ]:)

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    Ed Woychowsky

    That I wasted my time learning <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_American_English">Southern</a>.

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    GSG

    but did you learn Hillbilly? Also, have you ever gotten directions from a Hillbilly or Southerner? You want to get to Walmarts? (note the S on the end), well, ya go straight down this here road, and turn left at the Johnson place. Old Johnson, well, he died nigh on 50 year ago, and his daughter married up with the Wilson boy. Go straight, and turn right at the big oak tree on the Hoggett farm. 'Course, no Hoggetts have lived there since the Depression. They lost it for taxes, and them govmint men sold it, and nobody's made a go of it yet. We had some univerity fella down here who thought he knew everthing, but he lost the farm in just a couple year. Go straight for 50 mile, and ya'll see it on the left.

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    Jaqui

    to understand.

    at least I knew exactly what you were saying in geordie in the podcast. before you gave the definition of the comment

    and I had never heard geordie before.

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    gadgetgirl

    having got a new headset and mic last weekend, I'll get on skype and put you to the test!

    (not Saturday - <fanfare> I'm going out! </fanfare> )

    ]:)

    GG

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    Jaqui

    make me install skype agin

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    rwalton

    Sound just like here in the Red, White and Blue USA

    do you do windows ?

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    gadgetgirl

    vertigo!

    (and I'm vertically challenged, too!)

    GG

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    jdclyde

    I think your gunna like it
    I think your gunna feel like you belong....


    This is not new, and it is something we have been complaining about in the States for some time now. Globalists don't WANT a national pride because it is easier to erase borders and move to the new world order of a global government.

    I know how much you love the EU trying to dictate to you, just imagine if it were a global union instead?

    oh, the humanity.

    You can join me in my bunker if you wish luv. Plenty of food and ammo, so we can hold out for years, and if you join me it will help make up for not having one of those "furnace" things....

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    gadgetgirl

    In essence, it seems as if national pride is becoming a thing of the past.

    Sadly.

    No furnace? Oh.

    I'll need central heating, then......

    GG

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    Locrian_Lyric

    ...you are a Nazi.

    Ergo, nationalistic self-loathing is embraced to prove that one is NOT a Nazi.

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    jdclyde

    is what I call a heating system... ]:) And EXACTLY what I had in mind.... repeatedly....

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    gadgetgirl

    did I know that?!





    GG

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    jmgarvin

    It's irritating to see the US subverted because somebody wants to save a buck.

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    GSG

    You know all those separtists who live in bunkers living in Montana.

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    jdclyde

    It is looking like we will have another Democrat President, and you know how them Dems like to execute separatists and the families of separatists in Montana...

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    GSG

    Come down here where I am in SW Missouri. It's nothing but hills, trees, and caves, with an occasional town in between. I could set you up in the back 40 in a nice cave complete with a bear or mountain lion. Just take your pick.

    Disclaimer: I make no guarantee of survival if said bear or mountain lion gets hungry.

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    jdclyde

    I could handle, they don't shoot you in the back from 300 yards away.

    Are the caves dry? ;\

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    GG

    maecuff

    Come stay with us! That would be awesome. You can just pitch in with the rest of us. Of course, things ARE a little different here. :) We speak English, but it's 'merican English. It just ain't the same.

    my husband does a pretty good British accent, so he could make you feel right at home.

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    jdclyde

    Not that I really even know what a crumpet is.....

    pip pip, cherios? :^0


    Ah, the thought of GG within a daze ride.... ]:)

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    maecuff

    I had a crumpet for lunch. They have them at the grocery. Just look where you find refrigerated English muffins and bagels.

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    jdclyde

    trying going to Canada and get "Canadian Bacon" on a pizza. Of all the places in the world you would expect to be able to get it..... :0


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    Ed Woychowsky

    You also can't get Boston Cream Pie in Boston, but you can get a Philly Cheese Steak in Philadelphia. I think people just make-up names for food to make them sound better.

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    JamesRL

    Really corny movie, that "Canadian Bacon".

    And in Canada, no one calls it Canadian Bacon. Its peameal bacon.

    Never had it on pizza - because its so lean doesn't it get tough?

    James

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    jdclyde

    but you don't see it as much anymore.

    Canadian Bacon, easily the worst movie John Candy was ever in.

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    Jaqui

    usually I hear it called back bacon.

    since it is nothing more than the pork tenderloin smoked into bacon.

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    JamesRL

    Peameal is smoked, pickled and coated in pea meal to keep the juices in, hence the name.

    James

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    gadgetgirl

    I think you'd like those, too.

    Hey, we gotta get Beth and Sonjawithaj working on this girly night, haven't we?

    GG

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    maecuff

    We could solve all the world's problems. Or at least ***** about them. :)

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    Forum Surfer

    Otherwise you'll be stuck listening to a bunch of whining far left-wing liberals <cough, cough> like in California <cough, cough> and other places through out the good ol USA. We're so far gone here that displays of national pride like making our kids recite the pledge of allegiance while standing at attention facing OUR flag have "offended" so many people. Our flag is a sacred thing that many, many people have fought and died for. Our kids should be taught to show that the utmost respect from a very young age. My son is 5, knows the pledge, can sing along to the national anthem and knows that it is very disrespectful to let our flag touch the ground when raising or lowering it. Your countrymen/women should treat your Union Jack the same way and not abandon traditions in fear of offending someone. If you find it offensive get over it or get out...

    Sorry, had to follow your rant up with a rant from across the pond!

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    gadgetgirl

    It's not a Union Jack.

    That's politically incorrect.

    It's gender specific, ergo it has to go.

    It's been The Union Flag for around ten years.

    (But don't tell anyone here - we still call it Jack....! ]:) )

    GG

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    Forum Surfer

    That's where it all starts...divide us first and foremost between genders as (most often) that is the easiest way to spot differences between people. Then segregate us into nationalities. Next thing you know we're all segregated with no sense of national pride. I'm not even from the UK and it seems kind of disrespectful to call it anything other than Union Jack. Hmmm...good ol' "Union Flag"?! Lol, it makes y'all sound like a bunch of wusses. It's the "Union Jack" because I say so...along with the 100's of your fellow country men/women that stood beside my friends in the 82nd Airbourne over the years. :) Cheers to ya..you sound like you could use a cold one, lol.

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    The Listed 'G MAN'

    'Jack' should only be used for the flag when it is flown as a jack (a small flag flown at the bow of a ship)!

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    gadgetgirl

    that's the ensign!

    GG

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    The Listed 'G MAN'

    Terminology

    The issue of whether to use the term "Union Flag" or "Union Jack" is a matter of some debate. One view is that "Union Jack" should only be used for the flag when it is flown as a jack (a small flag flown at the bow of a ship),[1] but it is not universally accepted that the "Jack" of "Union Jack" is a reference to such a jack flag and is only an educated guess.[2] Since "Union Jack" is a proper noun, the term is equally correct when the flag is flown on land.

    The Flag Institute, the vexillological organisation for the United Kingdom, stated that the term Union Flag is a "relatively recent idea". It also noted that "From early in its life the Admiralty itself frequently referred to the flag as the Union Jack, whatever its use, and in 1902 an Admiralty Circular announced that Their Lordships had decided that either name could be used officially. Such use was given Parliamentary approval in 1908 when it was stated that "the Union Jack should be regarded as the National flag".[3]

    When the flag was initially introduced, in 1606, it was known simply as "the British flag" or "the flag of Britain". The first use of the name "Union" appeared in 1625. The word 'jack' was in use before 1600 to describe the maritime bow flag. By 1627 a small Union Jack was commonly flown in this position. One theory goes that for some years it would have been called just "the Jack", or "Jack flag", or "the King's Jack", but by 1674, while formally referred to as "His Majesty's Jack", it was commonly called the Union Jack, and this was officially acknowledged.[3]

    The 'Jack' part of the name may also have come from the name of King James I / James VI of Scotland, who inherited the English crown, uniting the two kingdoms. Jac is from Jacobus, Latin for James. King James was fond of attaching his name to items of national importance. Other examples include the King James Bible, commissioned in 1603, and Jamestown - the first English speaking settlement made in North America under King James' rule (1607).

    The size and power of the Royal Navy internationally at the time could also explain why the flag was named the "Union Jack"; considering the navy was so widely utilised and renowned by the United Kingdom and Commonwealth countries, it is possible that the term "Jack" did occur due to its regular use on all British ships using the "Jack Staff" (a flag pole attached to the bow of a ship). Even if the term "Union Jack" does derive from the jack flag (as perhaps seems most likely), after three centuries, it is now sanctioned by use, has appeared in official use, and remains the popular term.

    The BBC website disregards the term "union flag" because of its "great potential for confusion", preferring union jack (in lower case)[4]. The Merchant Shipping Act 1995[5] refers to the national colours of the United Kingdom as "the Union flag (commonly known as the Union Jack) ?".

    The term "Union Flag" is less well known outside of the United Kingdom[6][7], and may refer to other union flags.

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    gadgetgirl

    I thought NeilB was the resident pedant on here.....

    GG
    ]:)

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    Forum Surfer

    Wikipedia (from whence that was quoted) isn't a viable source of info. :) "Official" or not, the entire world knows what you're referring to when you say "Union Jack", not so with "Union Flag".

    Anyway, the Sex Pistols called it the Union Jack, so that's good enough for me! Anything else is just bollocks, lol...

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    neilb@uk

    NITS(tm), when cutting and pasting from Wiki or other on-line source, does endeavour [1] to remove the reference tags from the text or include the references themselves. To leave your text scattered with numbers [2] is pretty damn lazy!

    Neil :)

    [1] NITS(tm) standard of writing. Author NeilB 2008.
    http://tinyurl.com/39mz9q

    [2] How not to make an already boring post a complete pain by leaving crap in it. Author NeilB, 2008.
    http://tinyurl.com/39mz9q

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    maecuff

    I always enjoy your thoughs.

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    The Listed 'G MAN'

    Did not care that much to go through and remove them. Was just for information. Nothing wrong with a little Ctrl C, Ctrl V every now and again.

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    Ed Woychowsky

    We could start our own country, like the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conch_republic">Conch Replublic</a>. I nominate Tigger2 for president and Gadgetgirl for Vice President.

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    gadgetgirl

    Are you treasurer?

    Can I hit you for the cost of airfare to the Inaugural Meeting? First Class?

    Five star hotel?

    Please?

    GG

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    Ed Woychowsky

    Like everybody else I'm broke.

    How about we start our country in cyberspace? We could start with an election and once we have a leader we could apply for aid from other nations.

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    gadgetgirl

    you think.

    Aid from other nations, hmm? Can we ask Nigeria perchance?!

    ok, cyberspace it is.

    Hey, Jaqui just started doing hosting.... could we live on him?

    ]:)

    GG

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    Ed Woychowsky

    Diplomatic immunity.

    Before we start I need to re-read <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Evil-Geniuses-Nutshell-Illiad/dp/156592861X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1204732978&sr=1-1">Evil Geniuses in a Nutshell</a>. Maybe if I scrape the glow-in-the-dark stuff off a few thousand watches we can be a nuclear power.

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    gadgetgirl

    Diplomatic Immunity
    Diplomatic Immunity
    Diplomatic Immunity
    Diplomatic Immunity
    Diplomatic Immunity
    Diplomatic Immunity
    Diplomatic Immunity
    Diplomatic Immunity

    ............... have I got it yet? ..........


    Diplomatic Immunity
    Diplomatic Immunity
    Diplomatic Immunity
    Diplomatic Immunity
    Diplomatic Immunity
    ....................... Ed? .............

    GG

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    Ed Woychowsky

    Now you can get-way with more things and if you're caught they can't do anything to you.

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    Jaqui

    but then I could tax us. ]:)

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    jdclyde

    be the one to decide and administer proper punishment.... :0

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    gadgetgirl

    extra loud repeating show tunes for 24 hours!!



    ( )

    GG

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    NickNielsen Moderator

    Hmm, let me think. No, not just JD. Everybody. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnjkb4q6FKU

    Allow me a cruel chuckle. ]:)

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    gadgetgirl

    you could tax us, yes, but for some of us, would you allow payment in (un)kind?? ]:)

    GG

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    w2ktechman

    the religion of SCUM....'

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    Ed Woychowsky

    Apple Computer: the only company that can get tax-free status as a religion.

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    w2ktechman

    a religion based on not taking responsibility for your own actions (such as a large part of the public). Hence the religion of SCUM (see, it fits). Basically, do as you want, and if you get into trouble 'your religion made you do it' :^0 What an awesome thing. To always have an excuse handy!!!

    Currently there are many high up positions needed to be filled, so post your loyalty now and receive a free membership!!!
    Later, when we start taxing..er..I mean charging a percentage of income (to make me and the higher ups rich), you can gain

    Of course the Diplomatic Immunity thing is sooo much more cool And the option of getting aid for being such a poor country

    So your idea is better still, and you also have the option to tax This means the country idea has a much better ability to make execs rich... And I am not even one of them

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    Jaqui

    the taxer and head of religion. ]:)

    since I am the head of my religion

    I get to screw the people both ways. ]:)

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    maecuff

    It's good to be the king, huh?

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    gadgetgirl

    you're wanting it all ways again, aren't you?!

    GG

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    maecuff

    I think that is the nature of that beast. :)

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    Jaqui

    naw, I have it.

    not my fault that my "wiccan" beliefs are unique, making me the only "Member" of my religion.
    if there isn't anyone else, I'm both the higest and lowest ranked member of the church.

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    Na

    jdclyde

    gg is already the Queen, why would she lower herself to be a Vice President?

    If she is going to be involved in ANY kind of vice, it WON'T be in an office.... ]:)

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    gadgetgirl

    I was so busy trying to get over there, I missed the "vice" remark.

    Nice pick up there, jd

    Now, where's the batmobile? It's got all the vithe in thatth needed for thum fun....

    ]:)

    GG

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    Ed Woychowsky

    GG, if you want to get even with JD, just appoint him Ambassador to Mongolia.

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    gadgetgirl

    OUTER Mongolia. Right?

    <gigglefit>

    good one, Ed - do you happen to know if they play showtunes there?

    (ok, jd, I'm ducking..... )

    GG

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    Ed Woychowsky

    GG, there is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball-peen_hammer">a cure</a> that JD might try to get the showtunes out of his head. From personel experiance I know it also works for the Disney <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_a_small_world">It's a Small World</a> song.

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    The Listed 'G MAN'

    If the UK was to split on to England, Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland the term British would not exist anyway.

    Looking at recent events Scotland wants independance from Britain. Now without Scotland, there would be no Britain (as there would be no GB to union with N. Ireland).

    If Scotland went there is not much doubt that Wales would follow close behind.

    So the term 'British' is getting old hat anyway (or so it seems).

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    gadgetgirl

    they've divvied up everything else - why not good old Britain.

    Doesn't seem to be much to keep it hanging around for.

    GG

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    neilb@uk

    Great Britain is a geographical and not a political entity. The Scots, Welsh and the patriotic English, for all that they might wish or say otherwise, are British by being natives of the Island of Great Britain. The Northern Irish are not British unless you twist the definition into a political entity.

    Neil :)

    The chances of sufficient numbers of the Welsh being stupid enough to vote for independence is very, very slim. The Scots may be stupid enough but I think that they would come to regret it.