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The best degree period! best IT degree period!

By xsubxwooferx ·
I was wanting to start a discussion on the best college degree period both money wise and smartness. Same goes with IT since this is basically a IT website.

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The Education Problem

by FluxIt In reply to The best degree period! b ...

After 27 years of working in industry, government, and the military I have learned that possessing an 'honest' education is virtually worthless on numerous points.

1. Education is not an investment. There is no ROI in the financial accounting sense that colleges will teach on the money you spend on education. No employer will give you the necessary increases in pay to obtain a reasonable ROI that businesses themselves expect on investments.

2. Often employers lack basic understandings of many of the degrees that are in the marketplace. For example, as part of my education I possess a 4 year degree in Operations Management. It is a professional management degree and the undergrad equivalent of an MBA. It includes numerous industry certifications too. However, employers insist that I get an MBA and acquire certifications that I have wrapped up in my degree already. I am forced to spend endless hours taking online courses that I took already years ago. It is quite annoying and frustrating.

3. The hiring of employees has little to do with education. Employers are only interested in keeping labor cost down and finding someone who is more stupid than themselves. If the potential employer says that you are overqualified he really means he does not want to pay you the higher dollars and you most likely outshine him. If the potential employer tells you that you have great experience but lack the full qualifications what he really means is that he wants to pay you on the low end. In other words if you have to negotiate up - you came in too low. If you have to take a cut you came in to high and may even show up the boss.

5. Current day education is not the same as years ago. For instance, I have considerable additional education in highly technical subjects and discipline of study. It is the closest one gets to being a physicists but is still called an engineer. That same degree program today is more akin to training as a engineering technologist than a physicist. It does not even cover the same level of topics but is still offered as a Bachelor's degree.

6. Institutional education is no longer about knowledge and independent thought but instead it is about indoctrinating young minds into deliberate thought processes. I find that education, even in the United States, is more like a madrassa than a challenge to the freest expansion of the mind.

My advice to you is to study on your own and seek 'honest' knowledge. Epistemology is the study of truth and its origins. Seek to start a business of your own. Try to liberate yourself as much as possible from the shackles of human rules, regulations, and schemes to minimize or drain away your hard earned money.

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What was Point 4. ??? and why did you delete it?...

by OldER Mycroft In reply to The Education Problem

Or was it maybe as boring as the rest of your sad, worthlessly-educated, feeling-hard-done-by, diatribe of worthless drivel?

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Did I walk in on act 3 again?

by Locrian_Lyric In reply to What was Point 4. ??? and ...

It seems folks have an axe to grind with this fellow...

what did he do?

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Why nothing of course

by jmgarvin In reply to Did I walk in on act 3 ag ...
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Riiiiight.

by Locrian_Lyric In reply to Why nothing of course

I'm not falling for that one again....

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Oohhh... It's been a long time comin'...

by OldER Mycroft In reply to Did I walk in on act 3 ag ...

I've been sitting quietly, nay - moderating my seething sarcastic tendencies, waiting for an unsuspecting, badly armed and inefficiently equipped individual to stray into the path of my ever-prescient scanning array.

Then it gets handed to me ON A PLATE.

This guy would probably be agreeable to renaming this forum as:

A Resource for IT Whingers and Losers

He certainly qualifies on both counts.

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The Axe Falleth Upon Plates of Armor

by FluxIt In reply to Did I walk in on act 3 ag ...

From time-to-time, I posed challenging and thought provoking post that questioned some peoples beliefs and challenge them to think. Those folks, of course, are set in their chaotic evil ways and set out to attack that which is righteous and honorable.

I proudly wear my coat of armor and battle evil where ever it manifest itself. Demons flee in fear and dragons are slain with the mighty wielding of the sword. The end has come. A just wrath comes upon the enemy without mercy and without compassion. - Ezekiel 7 NIV.

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Stick to the objective please

by fredsmithy In reply to What was Point 4. ??? and ...

Sad, worthless and drivel are all subjective.

Your objective thoughts (if any) might be more helpful.

I think the poster is somewhere between disallusioned and realistic, whereas you are coming across as childish. To me anyway.

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Usually, when you happen upon a post like that one...

by Inkling In reply to Stick to the objective pl ...

there is a history behind it.

If you go back and read the comments below it, you will find that this particular person had it coming.

I completely understand and appreciate your points, but sometimes, some people just need to be told where to stuff it.

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To address some of the specific points

by drowningnotwaving In reply to The Education Problem

1. Education worthless? Bzzt. Wrong. Targetted education (that is, I know what I want and I am getting the knowledge to do it) is never worthless.

I can assure you xsubx that many of us have been financially rewarded many times over for the costs of our degree.

2. This statement is so generic that it lacks honesty and truth.

It is easy and correct to say the exact opposite:

Often employers understand fully what your degree has given you and put you into appropriate jobs and career paths.

Reason? They (the employer's staff) may have came from the same school and know what is capable of the graduates. They look for the same to build their own internal human asset base.

It's not all doom and gloom.

Next point:

3. The hiring of employees has little to do with education. Employers are only interested in keeping labor cost down and finding someone who is more stupid than themselves.

What drivel. What bull. This can only be a sad reflection upon the limited reality of the writer.

In particular, right now in many IT markets it is a 'sellers market'. Even graduates are haggling upwards over pay and conditions.

The great majority of business want the right person with the right skills and will pay accordingly.

In every single market there are always the bottom-feeders but they are by far the minority.

5. Current day education is not the same as years ago.

That is a reflection of the school and their priorities. Many schools maintain excellent reputations amongst employers.

Why not give three big employers in your area a call? Ask them what schools are considered to be excellent?

That way, you're getting it from the horse's mouth, so to speak.

6. Institutional education is no longer about knowledge and independent thought but instead it is about indoctrinating young minds into deliberate thought processes.

A whole lot of this post looks and feels like an "it was better in the olden days" rave.

I am sure that some schools are like this, and I am sure that some schools are not.

Again, ask the potential employers what they think.

Studying on your own?

Well, this is always an option.

Personally, I have found through my experience that to work with experts and peers, and to learn from them in a cool environment, will accelerate the process and thus the acheivement of results. I'd much prefer to think that my doctor learnt in a disciplined and planned environment rather than was self-taught.

I do agree with the goal of always seeking to start a business of your own, but that is not absolutely necessary nor is self-employment the key measure of acheivement or success for all people.

I still say, xsubx, fark off and buy a bus ticket to the world.

You'll find your ability to answer a lot of these questions on your own, in two or three years, will be infinitely better than your ability to assimilate the advice of a bunch of other people right now.

And FluxIT? Time for another anti-depressant pill buddy.

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