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They Label themselves "No Labels"

maxwell edison
Re: http://nolabels.org/

Their mission: "Put the Labels Aside. Do What's Best for America. We are Democrats, Republicans, and Independents who are united in the belief that we do not have to give up our labels, merely put them aside to do what's best for America.

They are hiding behind the label, No Label, but I suspect, as usual, the disagreements will come when defining the policy positions that constitute Do What's Best for America.

Defining Do What's Best for America is exactly the debate that should be advanced. Define and articulate your vision of Do What's Best for America, instead of repeating what's become one of the silliest platitudes on the planet, in whatever form it's uttered - for the common good, for the good of the country, doing what's best for America, etc.

How about this vision?

1. Cut the size, scope, control, power - and spending budget - of government by 1 percent per year for the next 25 years.

2. Overhaul Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid so that those government functions are slowly and systematically reverted back to be the responsibility of the state and/or the individual, phasing them all out of existence over the next 50 years.

3. Repeal any and all tax credits for anybody and everybody.

4. Sell between 50 million and 100 million acres (out of 650 million acres) of federal land to the private sector.

5. Freeze total government revenue collected at about its current level. Take the surplus from all the aforementioned savings (and earnings from sale) to pay down - or possibly even pay off - the national debt, after which time total revenue collected can be reduced.

6. Don't pass on the burden of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and a bloated national debt to future generations.

7. Eliminate any number of federal departments: Education, Health and Human Services, Labor, Agriculture, etc., and pass on those responsibilities to the state and/or individual.

8. Repeal the 16th Amendment, and change to a comsumption-based system for collecting revenue.

9, 10......

I wonder if the No Label folks share any semblance of that vision of doing what's best for America? Label me skeptical.

Their label doesn't fool me. And there will be those who won't let them hide behind it.
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    AV .

    I'm skeptical too, but the 2010 lame-duck session in Congress was the closest thing to a no-labels approach that I've seen in a long time. They actually passed some meaningful legislation, instead of playing their usual partisan games. Both sides had to give.

    I think the day of reckoning is here. We are in hock up to our eyeballs in this country and its going to take many years to pay it back. Our legislators have to look for common ground to work together or they won't get anything done, again. That isn't an acceptable outcome anymore.

    Its too late. Our children and grand children will be paying for our financial mess no matter how you move the debt around. Its a lot of debt. The states are broke. Individuals are broke.

    I agree with some of your visions, but not all.

    I don't think #1 would be that painful, but how much would that cut from the deficit?

    #3 would be painful for all of us, but I would be ok with it if everyone did it, including corporations.

    #4 would be okay with me depending on where the land was.

    I'm going to be really PO'ed if they get rid of social security and I can't recoup any of the money I've paid for 40 years into it. I can understand if benefits are reduced, but I don't think its a wise move to give it over to the state or individual control. Individuals can't be counted on to be responsible enough and then what?

    Heres what I think is best for America.

    I can go with your #1, 3, 4, and 5. With #6, some debt will go to our children. #7, we should downsize the federal government's role, but not eliminate it. #2 we do need an overhaul of social security, medicare, medicaid, but it should remain a guaranteed federal fund not controlled by any state and not an option controlled by individuals. Everyone needs it one day.

    AV

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    AnsuGisalas

    on this one "government should not get into the business of business, and business shouldn't get into the business of governing."
    But you need to add cartels and monopolies to the "attempts to govern" list. Free competition only stays free if someone is constantly clearing out them damn beavers' dams.

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    maxwell edison

    The 17th.

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    AnsuGisalas

    They meant for it to be "no lapels" - their target audience isn't "just blue-collar", but rather no_suits

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    TonytheTiger

    8. Repeal the 16th Amendment, and change to a comsumption-based system for collecting revenue.


    The 17th.

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    maxwell edison

    I wouldn't kiss babies, and I wouldn't kiss butts.

    I wouldn't tell people what government should give them, but rather what government should no longer provide for them.

    I would tell people that they need to take more personal responsibility for their lives, not expect government to take it for them.

    I would tell people that with freedom comes assuming responsibility for it, and it's high-time they take more of both.

    I would tell people to stop taking bribes in exchange for their votes.

    In short, I wouldn't play the game; I'd never get elected; and I'd probably get tomatoes thrown at me!

    P.S.

    And I would tell people to stop being a bunch of clueless sheep, and realize that they've been duped into believing the global warming / climate change nonsense.

    I would tell people to stop playing nanny over the lives of others, and stop presuming to tell other people how to live their lives - and to stop using government to force it.

    I would tell people that a consequence of living in a free society is that some people will do thing that they disagree with, and that they should simply GET OVER IT and stop trying to legislate other people's behavior.

    I could go on, but by now they'd be throwing not only tomatoes, but apples, oranges, and lettuce as well.

    Stay tuned for the next P.P.S.....

    P.P.S.....

    I would tell people that the only way to get money out of politics is to get money out of government.

    I would tell people that government can't provide solutions to their problems, but rather government IS the problem. (Due credit given to R.R.)

    I would tell people that that government which governs least, governs best. (Due credit to T.J.)

    I would tell people that the business of business is business (due credit to C.C.); the business of government is governing; as such, government should not get into the business of business, and business shouldn't get into the business of governing. (Due credit to M.E.) Note: Insurance companies, as an example, attempt to govern.

    I could go on, but by now they'd be throwing not only tomatoes, apples, oranges, and lettuce, but the whole danged produce department!

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    JackOfAllTech

    There must be something in the water in Washington that makes politicians lose sight of their original good intentions (if they had any, that is). To me, history makes it clear that smaller government is more efficient and better able to fulfill it's Constitutional requirements.

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    I don't have kids. Apparently those who do don't shive a git, and neither do those they elect. If they're not willing to sacrifice for the next generation's benefit, why should I with no dog in the fight?

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    maxwell edison

    Different sides of the same coin.

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    NickNielsen Moderator

    And that's my choice.

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    CharlieSpencer_Palmetto

    I'm concerned that turning some functions over to the states would result in a wide range of programs and bureaucracies that would be prohibitively cumbersome for private businesses to interact with. Imagine a business in multiple states having to keep up with multiple retirement or medical plans, some mandatory, some voluntary.

    Of course, that worry goes away if retirement and medical responsibilities are returned to the individual instead of the states.

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    Tony Hopkinson

    so that means we believe the sames things right.

    It's crap like "Do what's best for america" that makes me despair western politics.

    It means nothing, it says nothing, get all these people with no labels in a room and get them to debate what's best for america? Labels will find a roost, and quick.

    This approach is fundamentaly dishonest even by a politician's standards, such as they are...

    You've all got guns why don't you shoot the lot of 'em.

    Pretty sure that's why successive UK governments of every label, don't let us have them.

    For all those who wish reality could mirror art.

    http://current.com/entertainment/92747028_former-mps-beheaded-by-artist-for-body-politic-show.htm?xid=RSSfeed

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    NickNielsen Moderator

    I doubt their success. Americans don't do well without labels. Never have. Good to see another voice for moderating the partisan shrillness, though.

    ****, Max, I don't share much of your vision. Reducing government spending, eliminating cabinet departments, and repealing tax credits, yes. The rest, not so much. And given your points 1 and 2, point 6 is essentially redundant.

    However, I now find myself curious. On the face of it, it's the <a href=http://www.coffeepartyusa.com/>Coffee Party</a> for the political insider, but the political diversity of their Citizen and Founding Leaders is interesting. Going to have to take another look.

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    maxwell edison

    Passing on the burden of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and a bloated national debt to future generations.

    Maybe you can burden them with your car payment and mortgage as well? In fact, why not pass on your American Express bill as well. Run that sucker up as high as possible, and let future generations pay for it!

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    NickNielsen Moderator

    as you've accused others of jumping to conclusions...

    Rule #1. It's not a zero-sum game.

    You figure it out from there. I know your views. Mine parallel yours on the fiscal, but not so much on the social. Deal with it.

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    maxwell edison

    Different sides of the same coin.

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    maxwell edison

    1. You die after living a reasonably lengthy life.

    2. You live for a while longer, but your kids and their generation will pay $100,000 for each and every year you continue to live.

    It's not their choice, but yours. Which would you choose?

    Unfortunately, all too many people are choosing number two.

    I'll choose number one.

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    NickNielsen Moderator

    And that's my choice.

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    I don't have kids. Apparently those who do don't shive a git, and neither do those they elect. If they're not willing to sacrifice for the next generation's benefit, why should I with no dog in the fight?

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    santeewelding

    Is what it's going to take, I think.

    Meantime, what they're doing; what you're doing; is twiddling thumbs.