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Use of a certification

By venkat_1781 ·
hai all

i have both mcse and ccna certification.i have experince in wuindows nt 4.0
.but not on cisco routers.Still iam not getting any satisfactory job. Could you please tell me whether doing any more certificatin will be usefull. Orjust go out and work wih this experince.

thanks in advance.

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Experience is what counts

by JimBb In reply to Use of a certification

I feel like repeating myself over and over again, but companies are not interested in your certification. Companies are interested in someone that can make them become (more) profitable. It's up to you to show you can help them.
If you rely on only your certifications, then you give them no reason to hire you and not someone else with exactly the same certs - you're certainly not alone with them. What you should outline is what you're good at doing, not what theoretical knowledge you have -because let's face it, a cert is nothing but that. Do you own a website? Make it a professionally looking one. Have you helped someone out for free? That too is very valuable experience, and most people don't list it on their resume.

A certification serves only one goal: get you beyond Human Resources. They usually do the hiring based on criteria that they can understand. Candidate one has cert A and B, and 3 years experience. Candidate two has cert A only, and 2 years. Mmm. He cannot be as good as candidate one. So purely for them: get a pile of papers, and impress them. But it will not give you work.

Try to figure out who the hiring manager is, and figure out what kind of person (s)he is looking for. They usually don't care for certs, but they want to know what you can do, and how, and if you'll fit in the existing team. And if you manage to get their interest ("I'm used to using tool X", "I found a workaround for problem Y in the particular case you're mentioning", "thinking of using product Z? Oh, I've worked with that. Not much, but enough to know the pitfalls when installing it"), they can get you around HR.

It requires a little more work than just sending in a job application, you'll have to investigate both the company and the culture a little. But you'll get results for sure.

Jim

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use of certification

by muthusamy In reply to Experience is what counts

I too agree, but The indidual certification will help the company in many ways.
like the company want to project their resources to the client, they have to show the client that the company got certified professional in the particular prime area. it is kind metual trust between client and company, so based on the skills strength the client will decide wheather to join hands or not. I would say that's how the indidual certification will help the company to grow more and more.

Muthu

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Having a certificate than none

by jeffersonrexb In reply to use of certification

For a newcomer into the computer field without any experience, having a certificate is better than having no certificate and no experience.

If a person has no experience and no certificate, what is there to talk about?

For me my strategy is get certified then get all these machines in ebay and master them. Thus, if someone ask me had I worked on a vlan catalyst 3000 switch, I can say "yeah", I got one at home.
(I got a proliant 5000quad too---play with them everyday.)

a+, ccna

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experience vs certification

by modijayesh01 In reply to use of certification

basically, once you get one or two good certifications, that must be enough to get entry in industry. technology changes very fast. You can not spend money to achieve new certifications.
When you work in the field, automatically you get knowledge.But at the same time you need to study new technolody also. If you have good experience, that is more valuable than certification.

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CATCH 22

by rrgilmore_2001 In reply to experience vs certificati ...

Ya I will agree

But in order to get the experience ,you need to get certificatons to get the job, to get the experience. You say that experience out ways the certs? I want know how long have you been in the IT field?
BECAUSE IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKEYOU GOT GRANDFAUGHERED IN: in a time where all you needed was a pulse.

I will also make this statement, there are so many of you poeple out there that forgot where you came from.
Ya I am talking about all of you that never seen a client's site. Untill after you had 1-3 years
in some computer shop and your MCSE. Why don't all
of you haters stop hating.

QUIT DRINKING THE HATERAID...

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Wait for it...Wait for it...

by road-dog In reply to CATCH 22

Absolutely, some of us were "grandfathered in". I got into IT back during the transition from the mainframe/terminal to client/server. My first network was terminal emulator on PCs and / or terminals connected to comm servers DIX connected to ethernet.

The environment HAS changed. There are degree programs in IT now, when there only was CS when some of us got started. It most definitely is harder to get that important first position now. Tooling on us "old farts isn't going to help you.

Many people have been screwed with this "HOT IT JOB TRAINING". They have been sold training with the idea that the job offers would roll in after certification.

Anybody with some certification and little experience is going to have trouble gettingthat first break in the absence of an "inside" buddy. My advice is to go with a small company who needs someone on their small network. The money and the hours will suck, but the experience will help in the long run.

I think that maybe when the recovery happens, things will break open for many. If its any consolation, a lot of guys with both training and certs are riding the pine right now, (I know 2 who "dropped dead" in the layoffs after 9-11). One is going for real estate license, and the other is eaking out a living selling web pages.

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PAYING THE DUES

by Gizmo5050 In reply to Wait for it...Wait for it ...

Yes older techs learned by paying the dues. I was a Tech. Then a sr Tech then a Teacher for a collage Paying your dues i wish everybody had to do it. They might learn something.

Christopher L Gay
A+,MCP,MCSE+I,CCNA

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Unadulterated Bovine Excrement

by rkweller In reply to CATCH 22

Certs are only a door opener. If you believe anything else you are only fooling yourself. Yes I have been in the IT profession for more then 15 years. I wouldn't give you a dime for a room full of MCSE's with no experience. Or any other cert holder without experience for that matter. I could rattle on and tell you the stories, but that would be a waste of bandwidth. I can tell you having worked up from nothing and becoming the Director of a corporate IT departmrnt that in my experience hiring so called "IT Professionals" based upon a cert aquired from a camp that guarantees the particpant will pass is a shallow cert for sure.

I will tell the originating poster, that from your post I would think before hiring you as an IT team member in my organization. I look at the professional manner of the team member. From your post I gathered that you are hurried, unorganized, and not very professional. Your post was poorly worded and, well, the spelling is another matter. I don'tmean to sound cruel, but I am assuming from your post a critique of sorts is what you are looking for.

Clients look for knowledge and professionalism with regard to the IT industry. No matter how many certs' you or your orginization possess, if you lack the latter it means nothing.

Lets all wake up and smell the roses.
In-case you are wondering I am A+, MCSE, CCNA certified.

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Additional Bovine excrement

by ferocious In reply to Unadulterated Bovine Excr ...

I started causing errors on PCs back in 1992, in that I would cause the problem and then fix it for practice. After ten years, nothing has changed. I got a Bachelor degree in CIS in 1997. A company opened the door for me in 1998 not knowing what they needed, only that I worked cheap (14.50/hr). After three years and an MCSE and A+ certification, they let me go because they needed to save money and use outside support. I tell companies what I'm familiar with in their organization and how I used my experience to fix problems. I do "charity" work for my wife's company on occasion, playing with the NT Servers, and do support for Doctors. One day I'll get in with a company that vacuums my brain clean of all the knowledge I have garnered, but in the meantime I keep plugging away like everybody else. BTW, I was a truck driver for 11 1/2 years before I started college. My wife believed in me enough to encourage me to go to college, and I was 35 at the time. Those boot camp certs are a joke, in a nutshell, if you don't have experience and problem-solving skills. Also, I'm an MCSE and A+ white male.

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YAAAAAAAA

by Gizmo5050 In reply to Additional Bovine excreme ...

YA, You go

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