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April 7, 2010 at 11:41 am #2219487
What everyone’s forgetting about Linux is….
Lockedby ulrichburke · about 14 years ago
Nothing runs on it! It’s got hardly any programs that work on it (yet). It can emulate Windows enough to fool some Windows progs to work on it, for sure. But it doesn’t have anything much of its own.
The whole argument’s sitting in the early days of Apple vs. Microsoft. If you’re a geek who wants to look cool and virtuous and seem One Up on the Rest of the Computing Community, feel free to use Linux. You won’t be able to get any work done much but hey, man, you’ll look goood. If you want to get SOME work done and spend a WEDGE of cash on a machine that aint that fast, get an Applemac. You’ll still look cool but you’ll have a few more pieces of software (not counting Bootcamp!)
If you want to get a LOT of work done, on a fast machine that cost as much as an Imac but has higher specs all round, I’m afraid the world’s still PC based. Like it or not, the vast majority of software is built to run on Windows. Emulated windows is always going to be slow and clunky and only some things will run on it. That goes for Bootcamp and the Linux equivalent, the name of which escapes me.
The other problem with Linux is it comes in SO many builds, you have to be Ubergeek to install it, let alone use it. It’s WAAY back in the Seventies. Then, you had Apples, BBC Micros, Spectrums, Commodores, all similar, all with differences that meant you couldn’t use their software on eachothers systems easily. Now, you can find programs that will only run on ONE PARTICULAR FLAVOUR of Linux. And it’s not necessarily Red Hat or Ubuntu.
When Linux has got its act together so any Linux program can run on any Linux machine, when it’s got at least as much software as there is for Applemacs, doing as many things, when it’s got a decent GUI (Gnome 3 DOES look promising, have to say) then it will be worth looking at. Until then, you can bleat all you like about how safe it is, the bottom line is how USABLE an operating system is. And an operating system sans applications is, frankly, a waste of time. (I write computer music. Is there ANYTHING that would let me run Sampletank with Miroslav Orchestra and a decent notation package on a Linux machine? Nope, didn’t think so.)
Sorry, Linux guys, the world is PC and will be for a long time to come.
ulrichburke
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April 7, 2010 at 12:12 pm #3036210
I dont know where to start
by slayer_ · about 14 years ago
In reply to What everyone’s forgetting about Linux is….
Uh, All workstation computers and personal computers are PC’s.
Uh, Apple hardware is frequently faster than Consumer PC hardware (hence the high cost) though that doesn’t necessarily mean a faster system.
Uh, Don’t consider Linux an OS, consider Ubuntu, or Red Hat as an OS. And there is no rule saying that Red Hat programs have to work under Ubuntu.
You could almost say there is more Linux programs than there are Windows programs. But that is because Linux programs tend to be more like 1 use Apps.
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April 9, 2010 at 1:17 am #3038155
Tell that to Apple
by oz_media · about 14 years ago
In reply to I dont know where to start
“I am a MAC, and I am a PC.”
The PC (Personal Computer) is a product of IBM (originally known as the IBM PC), Apple makes Macintosh computers.
The term personal computer is universal, yes, but I think it’s pretty clear what the OP was getting at.
However, while a “personal computer” (note lower case) can be built to use Linux or anything else for that matter, MAC is an Apple and PC’s are most often used for Windows installations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_computer
[i]”This article is about personal computers in general. For computers generally referred to as PCs, see IBM Personal Computer and IBM PC compatible”[/i]
Other than that, I agree it was a bit of a rant, but a pretty common public view towards Linux too.
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September 18, 2010 at 12:51 pm #2874856
Mac vs PC
by kjgslg9 · about 13 years, 7 months ago
In reply to Tell that to Apple
Lines are blurred. MAC computers were different prior to the inclusion of Intel architecture. MAC use to be RISC processing which at one time was faster than the Intel architecture. Now they are one and the same. Your argument is moot. Now that Mac uses Intel processing the difference is OS. Linux has been able to operate on both RISC and Intel as well as Alpha processing. Usability is up to personal choice: Windows, Mac, and Linux/Unix
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April 7, 2010 at 2:06 pm #3036187
Sheesh guy, you’ve been a member for three years
by tony hopkinson · about 14 years ago
In reply to What everyone’s forgetting about Linux is….
and your first post is bollocks.
There was no smiliarity between those machines they all used different processors ffs. They all had their own OS’s their own flavour of language, their own hardware.
I coded on all of them, even f’ing basic was wildly different.
In three years between now and your next post, try and learn something.
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April 7, 2010 at 4:15 pm #3036157
He has said a few outrageous things, but…
by nexs · about 14 years ago
In reply to Sheesh guy, you’ve been a member for three years
But he does have a point.
Windows has the monopoly on most everything in the “Consumer” computing world. Macintosh hardware AND software are far more expensive and often work only at a similar speed to that of a consumer Windows computer. This makes it almost completely unaffordable to have a custom built machine.I also tend to agree that any flavour of Linux comes with a similar lack of compatibility as the MAC users experience, except that the Liniux engine is open source, therefor a multitude of non-commercial apps would be available.
But in corporate and industrial scenes (which is where the real money is in IT) Windows, Macintosh and Linux fall way behind.
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April 7, 2010 at 6:22 pm #3038134
Outrageous I can live with
by tony hopkinson · about 14 years ago
In reply to He has said a few outrageous things, but…
Complete bollocks I can’t countenance.
Windows compatibility, such as it is, comes at a great cost in performance, reliability and security, and they still use enforced obsolescence to get us to shell out more money for more bloat we didn’t ask for.
Mac is something I’ve only seen on telly, and thats the way it’s going to stay, don’t see the point of them.
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April 7, 2010 at 6:36 pm #3038129
re:
by nexs · about 14 years ago
In reply to Outrageous I can live with
There is always method in madness (almost always!) but I do not see that a windows machine has lower performance or reliability than that of a Linux or a Macintosh.
The only real problem I find, is security.
The world would be in trouble if they all moved over to Ubuntu (or any other Linux based OS for that matter) as the open source of it opens it to easier attack. As it stands (and only generally) the majority of Linux users ARE, as our “bollock” talking friend here said, Ubergeeks. Meaning they understand more about it than Joe and Janice Bloggs. The majority of ‘useful’ computers to ‘hack’ (and I use the term loosely) are not linux for that reason.
Don’t give hackers a reason to hack.
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April 7, 2010 at 10:18 pm #3038086
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April 8, 2010 at 10:25 am #3037952
Wrong
by tony hopkinson · about 14 years ago
In reply to re:
Because it is open source no one even thinks of obscuirity as a security mechanism (which it isn’t)
Peer review is a great way of improoving software quality.
Linux is an OS for the informed, there are however appliance user distros that aim at MS’s traditional market of the appliance user.
I popped in the CD on my entered date and time a user names and password and shaxzam it was there. That was a portable as well even the wifi came up witha stanbdard configure. OK that might be nore than mosr windows user can manage, but it comes pre-installed doesn’t it.
Useful to hack isn’t about content, it’s about most windows installations (usually through simple ignorance being profoundly insecure.
Reliability is much better on linux, you can go months even years without ever rebooting.
Performance, well now you are having a laugh, you look how much of your machine is devoted to running the OS as opposed to what you want to do, how much of that you don’t need, often ever. That’s not even counting the burden of anti-vurus, anti malware, software firewalls etc.
Stop with kool-aid you are getting embarrasingly close to talking bollocks yourself.
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April 8, 2010 at 2:36 pm #3038233
Sure
by nexs · about 14 years ago
In reply to Wrong
But you have to look at this from a corporate point of view as well. It’s a ‘given’ that you aren’t going sit the workforce in front of a linux machine. Unless, of course, you’re prepared to spend time training people on how to use said machine.
Please, don’t accuse me of talking bollocks. I am simply seeing this from a real perspective. Think of this: What would happen if every machine suddenly ran a Linux operating system and Windows ceased to exist? The same thing would happen. People would target Linux users and we would need anti-virus etc. Commercialism would take over etc etc.
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April 8, 2010 at 4:01 pm #3038219
Obscurity is not security
by tony hopkinson · about 14 years ago
In reply to Sure
Windows get’s attacked a lot because most attacks are likely to succeed. We are talking about an OS that got taken out by someone looking at a picture, a movie, a word document.
Kernel space versus user space, where windows fails architecturally, still….
Training, as in windows 3.1, 3.11, 95, 98, ME, NT3.51, NT4 … Win7 64
Office…
Back Office…
All those things people are just born knowing!
It’s you and I that struggle with a different OS, because we are deep inside it, users just see buttons, menus and edit boxes, linux desktops have them.
The corporate point of view isn’t that windows is a given, but that it was taken as a given so long ago, the cost of switching an existing set up is vastly out step with short term gain from doing so.
Even with a free OS and a free application for every use you have now, it’s still not a sound commercial decision to do so. Roll out, retraining, probably re-tooling means you have to look very long term to see a benefit.
So yes there’s a commercial argument against it, there isn’t a technical one to be had though. The only thing linux can’t do all that well, is be windows, because it isn’t.
I recomend you check out Chad Perrin’s security blog on this site.
The points you are comimng up with are far from new, they’ve been thoroughly shot down by people far more knowledgable than I.
I’ve used and developed for linux in the workplace, also HP, Unix, VMS, and DOS. The bulk of my career has been in windows though. I’m all too familiar with it’s various failings, not to mention what commercially driven devlopment means in terms of technical quality.
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April 8, 2010 at 5:41 pm #3038206
As you work in IT
by j-mart · about 14 years ago
In reply to Sure
Do a bit of research, read a few technical books, get to know a bit about various OS’s how they work, the advantages and disadvantages of there basic architecture.
The basic design of Unix and Unix-like systems was done by some very clever people, and not being stupid they designed it to be inherently secure in a multi-connected, multi-user enviroment. so instead of showing us how litle you know, go away and learn something, after all IT is what you do for a living, your opinion will hold more weight when you know what you are talking about
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April 7, 2010 at 5:32 pm #3038142
The one bright thing about his load of bollocks post
by j-mart · about 14 years ago
In reply to Sheesh guy, you’ve been a member for three years
He is not directly employed in the IT feild, unlike some that talk bollocks and list IT as their profession.
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July 4, 2010 at 2:02 am #2854664
To get things done?
by tonyfull · about 13 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Sheesh guy, you’ve been a member for three years
Most folk use M$ Word, Outlook and IE in the workplace and not a lot else, the same can be achieved with OpenOffice, Firefox and Evolution under Linux.
I rest my case.
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July 6, 2010 at 1:10 pm #2868146
My 2 cents
by clayman1000x · about 13 years, 9 months ago
In reply to To get things done?
Spot on brother, I have been using Ubuntu since 9.04 along with XP Pro. I have used Gnome and KDE and like them both. I will never turn to W7 unless it is given to me free of charge. Ubuntu does have a way to go to be really user friendly which is what needs to happen to become a mainstream OS. I have never been able to play any of my games because I can’t get Wine to work, I can’t print with Ubuntu because I can’t get the right drivers, everywhere I looked I could not find my printer model to find drivers. I have a Lexmark X74-75 and Lexmark does not even list it as a real All-in-one model. I had a hell of a time even with windows installing this printer. Go to Lexmark, you cannot find this model in their list. But I will continue to play and learn more about Ubuntu in the future, I am now using 10.04.
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July 10, 2010 at 10:10 am #2855537
Getting things done
by marc thibault · about 13 years, 9 months ago
In reply to To get things done?
You have no case and you rested too soon.
It’s Word and Excel, and if you think Open Office is anywhere near a substitute, you haven’t used them.
I work with Word and Excel (I’ll leave out Visio to avoid the appearance of piling-on) every day and make effective use of their features. Every so often, I get whimsical, download the latest version, and feed a document or two to Open Office to see what it does. The Word results aren’t horrible, and with some work the original typographic intent might be recovered. The Excel results are, to be kind, comical. Calc doesn’t even try to do many of the things I consider routine.
Most important, Open Office can’t do VBA, so it’s completely out of the running for serious work.
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July 10, 2010 at 11:18 am #2855533
It all depends on your point of view, doesn’t it?
by nicknielsen · about 13 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Getting things done
[i]Most important, Open Office can’t do VBA, so it’s completely out of the running for serious work. [/i]
Isn’t that kind of like saying that Firefox can’t do ActiveX, so it’s completely out of the running for serious browsing? I know quite a few people who don’t consider VBA suitable for anything remotely related to serious work.
And why buy more than you need? Of the over 500 users I’ve supported in the last 11 years, 2 required more than the basic document creation, formatting, and editing capability provided in Wordpad.
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August 6, 2010 at 3:07 pm #2860517
LaTeX
by serpentsnare · about 13 years, 8 months ago
In reply to Getting things done
Call me when Word can do even half of what LaTeX can do.
Really, all word processors suck.
Oh – and anyone can read a PDF produced by LaTeX. No proprietary software needed on the receiving end to properly view (or print) the content.
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April 7, 2010 at 3:02 pm #3036164
Here’s an old list
by seanferd · about 14 years ago
In reply to What everyone’s forgetting about Linux is….
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Top-10-Linux-Distributions-for-Audio-Production-64552.shtml
But if you want your preferred commercial apps to run on a Linux distro, you’d have to get the software vendors to code for Linux, either in-house or with community help. The Linux community or commercial devs can’t just port those apps to Linux.
Or you could run Windows in VM, (or a Linux in a VM on Windows, etc.).
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April 7, 2010 at 6:16 pm #3038136
Full of sound and fury…
by nicknielsen · about 14 years ago
In reply to What everyone’s forgetting about Linux is….
signifying nothing.
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April 9, 2010 at 1:24 am #3038154
Obviously
by oz_media · about 14 years ago
In reply to Full of sound and fury…
A result of a bad day and I think we’ve all been guilty of that.
For the most part, within reason, I have to agree with the main tone. Geeks go on and on about ‘nix and designers go on and on about MAC, howver both arguments are getting old and much weaker as MS continues to improve upon Windows. Win 7 is a damn good, user friendly, common and very compatible OS these days. Linux and MAC users still drone on and on about their superiority of choice as if they are unique, well in a way they are and that’s whay their choice remains society’s oddity in comparisson to Windows.
Unique in the sense of being unpopular anyway.
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April 7, 2010 at 6:54 pm #3038126
What has me worried
by santeewelding · about 14 years ago
In reply to What everyone’s forgetting about Linux is….
Is that Ulrich is talking about me and I what I don’t remember. That’s from the gitgo: right in the title of the post.
These crackers are getting so good they know about me what I don’t know.
Or, it’s a crock of shilt.
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April 7, 2010 at 7:56 pm #3038116
Macs
by .martin. · about 14 years ago
In reply to What everyone’s forgetting about Linux is….
are priced pretty much the same as PC’s, just the hardware in a Mac is much better than most of the stuff they have on display in a retail store, the high end media/gaming laptops have comparable specs and price to that of their mac counterpart.
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April 7, 2010 at 8:05 pm #3038113
.Martin
by santeewelding · about 14 years ago
In reply to Macs
Draw back. Appreciate all this with a longer, wider view.
If you, too, are reduced to scavenging aluminum cans for your habit, I will understand.
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April 7, 2010 at 8:47 pm #3038106
Whats your problem?
by dhcdbd · about 14 years ago
In reply to What everyone’s forgetting about Linux is….
You really seem to have one. You fail to realize that much, if not most of the server world belongs to Linux. You have no idea how much of the software that you use everyday, outside of sitting down in front of a computer, is Linux based.
You have no idea.
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April 7, 2010 at 9:17 pm #3038094
Now,
by santeewelding · about 14 years ago
In reply to Whats your problem?
You have me worried, too.
No surprise.
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April 9, 2010 at 1:27 am #3038153
Sure he does
by oz_media · about 14 years ago
In reply to Whats your problem?
I think it is pretty obvious who and what he was referring to. The fact that he didn’t mention how Novell still weighs heavy in the European government server market is irrelevant too.
I’d say he’s just read too many clowns going on and on about how Windows users and n00bs and fools while they are superior for using linux.
An obvious ‘bad day’ rant, and as I have said above, I think we’ve all been guilty of the same. Give the guy a break, we all vent sometimes.
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April 8, 2010 at 4:17 am #3038056
Ouch!
by charliespencer · about 14 years ago
In reply to What everyone’s forgetting about Linux is….
Y’all keep feeding that troll. I don’t need to be conscious this weekend.
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April 8, 2010 at 6:38 pm #3038201
This does have the look of….
by tbmay · about 14 years ago
In reply to What everyone’s forgetting about Linux is….
…trolling but I’ll assume it was sincere.
I often tire of Linux zealots but your post demonstrates a lack of understanding about the real value Linux and other unix-like systems.
I’ve been in the business a long time and my setup for clients breaks down like this.
Linux for servers inside the company firewall.
OpenBSD for the company firewall, VPN, etc.
MS Windows for user workstations.
Why these?
A samba server running on Debian stable will run until a piece of hardware dies. Happy client.
OpenBSD has perhaps the best security reputation in IT and it will run until the hardware dies; however, Linux performs better in file server roles and runs more service software in general, so OBSD is only the security device.
Windows is generally NOT replaceable for business desktops if you want to stay in business. I wish I could say otherwise but I’ll give you that one.
And it doesn’t really matter to me that it’s not. At the end of the day my job is to see the clients can do their jobs. It’s not to force technology they have no interest in learning on them.
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April 8, 2010 at 9:00 pm #3038185
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April 8, 2010 at 10:07 pm #3038178
Sensible Post from an IT Pro who knows his job – NT
by j-mart · about 14 years ago
In reply to This does have the look of….
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April 19, 2010 at 10:29 pm #2827260
It’s really this simple….
by dwar10 · about 14 years ago
In reply to This does have the look of….
Excellent post… You sum it all up with “At the end of the day my job is to see the clients can do their jobs. It’s not to force technology they have no interest in learning on them. ”
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May 1, 2010 at 3:13 pm #2830243
I disagree with that attitude
by lavezarez · about 13 years, 11 months ago
In reply to It’s really this simple….
Sometimes we do have to “force” technology to our end-users, as we do the same to ourselves. It’s our responsibility to force a change, if we know that that change is good for the end-users.
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May 1, 2010 at 6:05 pm #2830230
No, we don’t force change
by nicknielsen · about 13 years, 11 months ago
In reply to I disagree with that attitude
We encourage change, we enable change, we recommend change. We do NOT force it. And we [u]definitely[/u] don’t shove it down users’ throats.
For one thing, who determines what is “good for the end-users”?
For another, forcing a change will ensure the change not only fails, but fails miserably, and that all future suggestions from that source will be ignored.
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May 1, 2010 at 6:14 pm #2830229
I completely doubt
by santeewelding · about 13 years, 11 months ago
In reply to No, we don’t force change
That a word you say will affect what amounts to a brush with the death of liberty.
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May 1, 2010 at 6:44 pm #2830226
You’re probably right
by nicknielsen · about 13 years, 11 months ago
In reply to I completely doubt
One can but try.
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April 9, 2010 at 3:39 am #3038145
Selective sour grapes
by thmiuatga · about 14 years ago
In reply to What everyone’s forgetting about Linux is….
It’s clear that you have issues. After building my first PC, I started with Linux and
ran it with no knowledge of it and no one to guide me. I have used Linux to continue what I needed to do whenever Windows crapped out on me and I needed to retrieve data I couldn’t reconstruct.There are good and bad points about every operating system on the market and no one is claiming Linux in it’s numerous distributions to be the exception to the rule.
As for mentioning the early systems of Mac Atari, Commodore what’s the relevance? I used and still own 2 Atari PC’s and the day I purchased my STE, I attempted to access a floppy disc of my data on a system of which the owner of said system told me to get a “real PC.”
He was stone silent when the message “insufficient memory” appeared on the screen.
So the software for these systems could only be used on the particular system it was written for. It was no problem for Apple/Mac to be using the Motorola 68080, the same processor used in the Atari TT systems.
You deal with the changes and you adapt and grow or you don’t. I submit that if you had to pay for Linux you’d be howling about that too.
Try contacting Linus Torvalds and Richard Stallman; I’m sure they’ll find time to cede to your demands after they’ve finished doubled-over laughing.
Get a grip!
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April 9, 2010 at 4:15 am #3037568
Time for Fatux?
by animoid · about 14 years ago
In reply to What everyone’s forgetting about Linux is….
So what about Fatux? A super fat Linux which competes with Windows full on. It’s looking good already, and I predict this to be the killer OS. Free, fast and full. You don’t need to be a geek either! What could beat that? Buggy right now, but wait for Release 2.
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April 22, 2010 at 1:44 pm #2826899
Brainless worm
by iancomings · about 13 years, 12 months ago
In reply to What everyone’s forgetting about Linux is….
Where to start digging…… i know!
First off, most linux software works on any linux distro because it is open-source. By Open-Source I mean you have access to the source code so if you dont have a distro-centric binary package for the software, you can build one from source for your specific hardware and distro. Secondly, Where do you get off claiming that we don’t get hardly any work done on a linux box? Have you ever used one? Obviously not as you have stated it would take an UberGeek to install it and it is painfully obvious that UberGeek you are not. With Linux I get my banking done, Taxes done, Documents typed, Programming done, Gaming done, Burning media done, DVR, Media Streaming, Downloading, Repairing other computers, the list goes on and on. Grow some hair on your balls cause you need to try installing Linux. Ubuntu has made it so simple my 2 yr old nephew can install it. Fedora is the same, Mandriva, Linux mint, PCLinuxOS, OpenSuSe, and several others. the only ones i can think of where it takes “UberGeekness” to install would be Slackware or Gentoo and even then it is getting easier. Also, i havent spent a single penny running Linux. As for speed of OS? Linux hands done runs smoother and faster than either MacOSX or Windows. Of course the also depends on Hardware, but if you were to put Mac, M$Windows, and Linux on the same machine one after another you would see that Linux tends to use less resources and boot faster, run faster, and be more secure while providing a massive repository of FREE software at your disposal. If you absolutely HAVE to use MS software, Crossover Office and Wine do an outstanding job of melding the API code to Linux. As stated on the WineHQ, Wine is not an Emulator.
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July 10, 2010 at 10:35 am #2855536
The facts
by marc thibault · about 13 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Brainless worm
“Write once, compile anywhere”, now there’s an admirable goal!
One of my machines runs on Debian. It’s a sweet little thing and it gets a lot of use web browsing and … web browsing.
I also use it for presentations, mainly because it’s light and portable. I do my slide shows in HTML and they look really good in … the web browser.
I’ll say this for compatibility: The HTML I develop in Windows looks exactly the same on Debian. Handy that.
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April 22, 2010 at 7:55 pm #3033025
Dude, are you thick?
by anjelkat16 · about 13 years, 12 months ago
In reply to What everyone’s forgetting about Linux is….
Dude. Lame. Linux can run nearly anything.
Ubuntu linux can run redhat packages. Download RPM and there you go. Same for SUSE running apt, and if all else fails, if the source is open it can always be recompiled. Did you even try linux before you wrote this? for more than a month, I mean? By the way, the “windows emulator” is called wine, and it is not an emulator, it’s a compatability layer between linux and the windows API. It’s not meant to run *all* windows software, that’s what windows is for. Besides, you’re missing the point. Linux doesn’t have internet explorer (which really, who among us misses IE?) or WMP but everything else is just the bomb. Did you even check to see what was available from your package manager? I guarantee if you give linux a year of your life and truly get to know it, you’ll never look back. it’s not “Stuck in the seventees” at all. Compiz has been rocking transparency for a long time when win7 just got the memo people wanted something shinier. If you truly didn’t find anything you like about linux, you owe it to yourself to look again. You simply must persevere. If it was too different from what you’re used to, it’s not linux’s fault, it’s just different. You don’t have to be an ubergeek to use or install it (you don’t even have to install it to use it. how cool is that?) Although a couple lin nazis would prolly prefer if you thought that. If you didn’t take the time to actually look into what linux can do for you, and it’s obvious you didn’t since wine escapes you. (it’s four letters. easy to remember) then why are you even bashing it? You gotta learn to truly give something a chance before writing it off. -
May 1, 2010 at 2:57 pm #2830246
i would have believed you…
by lavezarez · about 13 years, 11 months ago
In reply to What everyone’s forgetting about Linux is….
if not for the 120 companies using Ubuntu – and that list was way back 2008.
http://www.workswithu.com/2008/09/16/updated-meet-120-companies-running-ubuntu-linux/
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May 2, 2010 at 9:00 pm #2829980
Your doing it wrong
by kasuko · about 13 years, 11 months ago
In reply to What everyone’s forgetting about Linux is….
There is TONS of software out there that runs on Linux, that doesn’t include 100% of the Windows programs and in my opinion very very rarely are they ever needed and a replacement can’t do in it’s place if not better.
Now since the majority of the world uses Windows that doesn’t make it the best, in this specific case it just means everyone is wrong.
Windows has one thing going for it, it’s expensive!
That’s it, most people have this weird idea in their head that if it’s not expensive it’s not quality. Not true about linux. Then after you give MS all your money the spend it forcing their monopoly upon everyone. When was the last time Canonical forced someone to carry ONLY them?
So after years of no one having a choice BUT windows this creates the lovely world we live in today where there is no pressure to innovate and grow, look and Windows Vista, and most people just rolled over and took it.
This doesn’t even take into account the amount of freedoms that you gain with using linux that yes, the normal run of the mill Joe doesn’t care about giving up but SHOULD care.
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May 2, 2010 at 10:10 pm #2829976
Did someone mention
by santeewelding · about 13 years, 11 months ago
In reply to Your doing it wrong
“normal run of the mill Joe”?
I’m all ears, ass hole. That is, if you have an original word to say for me to hear.
Not.
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June 4, 2010 at 1:06 pm #3028418
From a proud Linux User
by jimdj · about 13 years, 10 months ago
In reply to What everyone’s forgetting about Linux is….
First off I want to say I disagree with you completely. I have been A linux convert for almost a year and everything i did under windows i now do under linux. And dont think that I didnt do anything under windows. Actually i probably get more done under linux because windows is so ssllloooowwwww compared to linux. as far as software goes more and more software is coming out for linux. Why? because everyone is getting sick of windows crap. OK a few programs that i have found for linux, google earth, skype, (a couple winblows progs). in my experience if you really want to get something done and not have to pay out the but to do it you run linux, if you want to jump thru all the hoops that the companies say you are supposed to jump thru run windows.
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June 5, 2010 at 2:05 pm #3028324
Red Star (Linux) is the North Korean OS #1
by koreysun · about 13 years, 10 months ago
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I’ve spent last 2 years trying to install L to my (now old) PC ? nVidia raid. I’ve just succeeded installing Mandriva 2010.0 (trough a bug, 2010.1-rc can’t be installed). This is not my fav distro! Fedora sees the raid but the installer does not. The bug that allowed Ubuntu to be installed ?libata.ignore_hpa=0? have been taken care of ? dmraid is deinstalled during install and the new one you have to install won’t work (it disables one of the disks in the raid ? the hpa bug reintroduced). The reason for this is I believe the NDA some L programmers signed in order to add nV raid support to the kernel. M 2010.0 will install using dmraid then it’ll offer to remove not needed drivers ? look at the list! It will deinstall dmraid! Uncheck ‘removal of not needed drivers’ and M 2010.0 will start up and run just fine (missed it the first time around).
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June 9, 2010 at 12:21 am #3027272
Time to update your FUD
by rex1ballard · about 13 years, 10 months ago
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The average Linux distribution now has over 3000 applications INCLUDED – at no extra charge. Many of these applications are also baseline versions of more feature-loaded commercial software, such as Eclipse which is also the foundation for Rational, Lotus, and WebSphere IDEs – not to mention a few thousand eclipse plug-ins – many “for price”.
The common tactic of Microsoft Advocates is to try and compare very expensive software to the freebie versions included with Linux. For example
PhotoShop ($1500) to GIMP ($0)
Visio (700) to Dia ($0)
Microsoft Word ($200) to OpenOffice Writer(0)
Excel ($200) to Calc ($0)
PowerPoint ($200) to Impress ($0)
MS-Project($800) to planner ($0)
SQL Server($500) to MySQL ($0)
Excel ($100) to Base ($0)Most new applications are being written in platform independent Java. Often on Linux, since the Linux classes don’t invoke NMI from class libraries.
Applications written to Linux APIs run on Linux, Mac, AND Windows.
Many Linux frameworks are available for Windows – such as Cygwin.
Linux can be run as a VM on Windows
Windows can be run as a VM on Linux (and runs faster than in native mode – especially on larger memory.You can use 64 bit Linux to run 32 bit Windows. Linux provides the buffering, read-ahead, and a more seek-efficient file system, so that the 1-2 gig of RAM you allocate to Windows can be used more efficiently – since Windows is now effectively doing most disk accesses directly from RAM buffers filled by Linux.
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June 10, 2010 at 11:23 am #3029172
But… (Sadly)
by jdunmire · about 13 years, 10 months ago
In reply to Time to update your FUD
After a long day at work (in the IT field).
When I get home and wanna just veg out and play some games…. I can’t do it on my Fedora Core box or my RHEL box.
I do it on my venerable, but reliable, Windows XP machine….. because 99.9% of all the current and decent games are made for Windows, that is just a fact.
And I wouldn’t own a toy console to save my life !
When, if, the game software houses can make games that work (reliably) on all X distros in native mode (no emulators etc.) then I would gladly use X as my main goto system.
I don’t see this happening…. mostly because they have very little incentive to do that.
People will use what they:
1. Want/like too.
2. Need too.
3. Can afford.
4. Are comfortable with.I like Linux, I like Windows, even Macs.
Use what you want but don’t bash others for what they use. You can educate others and you can make suggestions, but in the end they will do what they are gunna do.
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June 10, 2010 at 12:37 pm #3029152
twit!
by jaqui · about 13 years, 10 months ago
In reply to But… (Sadly)
blame the game companies for not supporting the os, not the os because the game companies won’t support it.
the FLAW is in the game makers.
or adobe
or apple [ both of whom also do not make their software for linux ]
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June 18, 2010 at 4:21 am #2870560
Not Entirely true
by ramannanda9 · about 13 years, 10 months ago
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See you maybe right that not everything works on linux but most applications that user needs do work.
Kubuntu and Ubuntu are much more user friendly and have great gui’s than versions you have worked upon earlier.
Softwares can be found by doing a look up in their package manager.
And don’t forget about the viruses that come with windows 🙂
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June 18, 2010 at 6:22 am #2870537
If his post isn’t entirely true, yours isn’t either.
by charliespencer · about 13 years, 10 months ago
In reply to Not Entirely true
Windows doesn’t come with viruses.
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June 18, 2010 at 6:50 am #2870529
Actually…
by slayer_ · about 13 years, 10 months ago
In reply to If his post isn’t entirely true, yours isn’t either.
I could swear one of the Windows 98 updates actually has a virus on it. I remember I kept getting reinfected with the same virus over and over after doing an update, so I stopped updating and stopped getting the virus.
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June 30, 2010 at 2:03 am #2869608
Research more
by koolkid3 · about 13 years, 9 months ago
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“Nothing runs on it! It’s got hardly any programs that work on it (yet). It can
emulate Windows enough to fool some Windows progs to work on it, for sure. But
it doesn’t have anything much of its own……. ”40 years worth of open source software will say otherwise.
“The other problem with Linux is it comes in SO many builds, you have to be
Ubergeek to install it, let alone use it. It’s WAAY back in the Seventies. Then,
you had Apples, BBC Micros, Spectrums, Commodores, all similar, all with
differences that meant you couldn’t use their software on eachothers systems
easily. Now, you can find programs that will only run on ONE PARTICULAR FLAVOUR
of Linux. And it’s not necessarily Red Hat or Ubuntu. ”Most Linux distribution fill a niche, I have hundreds of bootable Linux
CD/DVD’s tailored for a particular task. If you really have that much trouble
installing Linux, take a look at Wubi, you can install/uninstall it just like
any other Windows application, I’m sure you are used to doing that. It will live
in a file on your windows drive, no disk partitioning necessary.
And don’t forget all those machines never had the power to run software of the
modern day and had very primitive operating systems. You can run Linux on
ancient hardware, I still have a Pentium 90 laptop with a modern Debian on it,
try putting a modern Windows on that.“When Linux has got its act together so any Linux program can run on any Linux
machine, when it’s got at least as much software as there is for Applemacs,
doing as many things, when it’s got a decent GUI (Gnome 3 DOES look promising,
have to say) then it will be worth looking at. Until then, you can bleat all you
like about how safe it is, the bottom line is how USABLE an operating system is.
And an operating system sans applications is, frankly, a waste of time. (I write
computer music. Is there ANYTHING that would let me run Sampletank with Miroslav
Orchestra and a decent notation package on a Linux machine? Nope, didn’t think
so.) ”Linux has had a cutting edge UI and graphics toolkit (X11) for as long as I can
remember, for eye candy KDE4 kicks anything out there on the desktop. If you
like GNOME there is the choice, plus hundreds of other window managers.
I also work with music and have been in numerous recording studios and set up PA rigs, so I can safely
say that when it comes to audio, Linux has a massive amount of software ranging high
quality samplers, notation editors (Rosegarden among others), DAW packages, soft-synths and well, if you
are any good you should have samples of your own to use.“Sorry, Linux guys, the world is PC and will be for a long time to come.”
That gives us guys the advantage who have the best of both worlds.
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June 30, 2010 at 3:39 am #2869604
Have you just woken up from a DEEP sleep ulrichburke?
by peconet tietokoneet · about 13 years, 9 months ago
In reply to What everyone’s forgetting about Linux is….
It sounds to me as though you are brain dead.
Now why did i say Brain dead?
People like you who do not use their brains other then look at the screen and just type little letters and a few numbers into Excel or Word or maybe just sitting there in your chair talking to your IM (Instant Messenger, just in case your brain could not translate it).
With people like you in the world there would NOT be any computers, cars, or any advanced technology because your brain can not stretch that far.Now, ulrichburke, just go back to your deep sleep. 🙂
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June 30, 2010 at 4:33 am #2869599
PT,
by charliespencer · about 13 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Have you just woken up from a DEEP sleep ulrichburke?
note that this is ulrichburke’s only post to date, after three years of membership. I’d say deep sleep was correct, but would suggest he try a coma instead.
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June 30, 2010 at 7:34 am #2869570
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July 4, 2010 at 6:49 am #2854655
Linux seems to be great
by genusync · about 13 years, 9 months ago
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I’ve actually used Ubuntu Linux 9.xx for the last six months, and basically only the easy installation of Flash player has been what I missed from Windows. I was surprised how much things have been updated in the penguin world. If you’re into 3D graphics, Blender is one thing to check out. Wonderful!
Office calculations; OpenOffice works fine and the format has been amended, plus XML documents bridge the gap. About macros and workbooks, you might have some issues (haven’t tried).
Since so much things are on www, the choice of platform is not very big thing. I like Linux a lot. And of course, it doesn’t tie to anything – free. Both in price and license.
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August 6, 2010 at 1:43 pm #2860528
Unbelieveable
by wdmilner · about 13 years, 8 months ago
In reply to What everyone’s forgetting about Linux is….
There is so much FUD, mis-information, lack of education and sheer ignorance in that post I don’t know where to start.
Almost every major web host on the planet uses Linux, Google runs on Linux, national, state and municipal governments run on Linux, movie studios use it, aerospace uses it, many many more industries and businesses run Linux. Our company has run on Linux for over 10 years. Applications are available by the gigabyte and while some few were designed specifically for the particular quirks of one distribution, a little configuration tweaking will let the majority of them run on any – the deciding factor being the kernel not the distribution.
If you don’t want choice and need hand-holding then by all means don’t use Linux. Because you lack the skill or desire to use something, or it doesn’t run your favorite program, doesn’t mean it’s unusable. As for music software there is lots of software, including commercial products, if you look for it. Google shows 48 million hits for “Linux music software”.
Go back to sleep for another hundred years and snuggle up with your abacus.
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August 6, 2010 at 1:57 pm #2860526
~rotflmao~
by jaqui · about 13 years, 8 months ago
In reply to Unbelieveable
abacus?
really?
you think he’s that advanced technologically?I was thinking he just used a pile of pebbles to add and subtract. 😉
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August 6, 2010 at 2:30 pm #2860521
Nothing?
by serpentsnare · about 13 years, 8 months ago
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It’s the only OS I use, and has been that way for years.
I don’t even have any other operating systems installed, and I don’t use wine either.
Go back to your cave, troll.
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September 2, 2010 at 5:01 am #2851667
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by famalegoods127 · about 13 years, 7 months ago
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