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What IS the Appropriate Attire for an Interview?

CaptBilly1Eye
In the old days of "Dress For Success," the three piece suit for men and the dress suit for women were the recommended uniforms for attending that all-important first interview. Times have surely changed and company dress codes have been loosened for so long that there doesn't appear to be as much focus on dress as there once was. What's your opinion?

When dressing for your first interview, what would you wear? As an interviewer, what would you like to see an interviewee wear? Does it make a large difference based on the job you/they are applying for (i.e. IT Manager, Graphics Designer, Web Developer, Technical Support Analyst, Help Desk)? Does it still matter?
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    Wayne M.

    I expect to see the more formal end of common business attire in an interview. This gives the impression that the interviewee went out of his way to prepare for the interview. To show up in business casual or less formal makes me feel that the interviewee was just squeezing the interview into his day and was not treating it as anything special.

    To overcome this bad first impression, a candidate would have to show that he is clearly a superior find and he would have to do it quickly. A while back, we had a candidate for a senior programming position show up in a sport coat thrown over jeans and a t-shirt; I'm not even sure his hair was combed. I think we set a new record in walking him though the interview list and out the door.

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    SlappyMcnasty

    If possible I like to visit the building prior to the interview. My rule is to dress slightly better than the average employee you see walking in the door.
    If they are in jeans, khakis and polo shirt, if they are in khakis, dress pants and shirt, if they are in dress pants, go with the suit.

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    Dr_Zinj

    Slappy has it right. Underdressing sends a message that you either don't care, or are sloppy.

    Dressing the same level doesn't make you stand out, so if you're no different, then why should we hire you.

    Way overdressing means you either are stupid, a snob, or just think you're better than everyone else, so why are you looking for a job here?

    1 step up indicates that you took the time to do a little research, that you respect the interviewer(s), and that you stand out a bit from the playing field. i.e. you're good, but not threatening.

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    PalKerekfy

    I like it!

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    JamesRL

    You should dress like you made an effort.

    It doesn't have to be the most formal suit(unless applying for sales job or management position), it can be a sports jacket (Blue blazer, grey pants always works).

    I had one candidate show up in running shoes. Tatty old running shoes. Those do not meet our business casual requirements even....

    James

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    Why Me Worry??

    No wonder they were looking at me funny and the ladies were gazing at my boxer shorts when I entered the receptionist area.

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    SObaldrick

    .. and got the job. 4 of my last 5 contract jobs I took the job without a face-to-face interview. The idea of contract-to-hire is so much easier than interviewing for a full-time position. And neither party has to go out of their way to be perfect at the interview. Get you foot in the door. If you're good they'll hire you, if not they won't. Similarly, if the company is successful and intersting, I'll stay. If not, I'll go find another contract when this one is up. No messing about with suits and ties required - I interview so much better in my underwear.

    Les.

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    jolevine

    No offense meant but a woman had to have invented the Tie which to me is a symbol of a leash/control?

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    nickwarhead

    Sounds good to me. They are not hiring your suit to do the job, their hiring a person by what's in their minds and in their hearts. These fake *** business people need to learn that.

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    blackdogphoto

    The debate of "Do I have to wear a tie", "This is only a part-time job", should never have been started. The whole reason of dressing nicely for a job interview shows not only respect you have for the person that is interviewing you, also it shows that you have respect for yourself. If someone dosen't have a business suit, don't run out and buy one, see if someone you know could let you borrow it or a Sport Coat even a pairof nice pants a nice shirt and tie is better than showing up in no tie.I know that in 95% of the job market you do get a higher mark if you dress appropriately. Good luck, show them you have respect for yourself.

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    crdanford

    You need to dress for the job in question. If you don't know, ask when you schedule the interview what the dress code is, and what the common dress is for the position. Then dress a touch better than that.

    I interview for break/fix hardware technicians that start out at $10-15/hr. When candidates come in in a suit, I assume they are not looking for such a low level position. Our technicians wear polo shirts and jeans or khakis. I would prefer to see interview candidates in nice pants and a button up shirt, a tie would be fine, but a three peice suit is overboard.

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    Alchemist-Joat

    If the company doesn't like my casual wear in an interview, then I probably don't want to work for that company.

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    jck

    on the environment of the workplace.

    on the job they are interviewing for.

    I would not expect a network tech to come in a suit and tie.

    I would not think an IT manager candidate would come in Dockers and a golf knit.

    But, I would not discount their ability as a manager. I don't think dress = success. Success is a direct result of the ability of your team...not their wardrobe budget.

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    jdclyde

    neat and well groomed is a must. If you look like you slept in your shirt, it can be assumed you will show as much eye for detail on the job as you did for how you got dressed.

    Environment is key though. You walk into a mom n' pop shop, they don't want a pretentious stuff shirt. If you walk into IBM wanting a job, better have a sports jacket over that tie.

    Having shiny shoes also helps you look up skirts..... ]:)

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    jck

    I don't always shave and I sometimes wear a shirt that has a hole in the pocket or a pair of slacks that aren't pressed. But, I am meticulous in my coding and database design.

    Wardrobe is not a definitive indicator of work ethic.

    Not everyone is the same. I'd rather have someone who looks a bit disshevelled and can do their job, than someone who comes in snazzy dress thinking that their wardrobe makes their work ethic any better.

    I agree with your 2nd paragraph....and 3rd especially ]:)

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    JamesRL

    For an interview you need to present yourself as well as you can. Show them your best self. And that means making an effort.

    Would you fail to shave and wear a shirt with a hole in it on a first date with a hot babe? The situation isn't that dissimilar.

    The guy who showed up to my office all dishevelled and in running shoes for an interview basically told me that he really didn't care to make an effort. He didn't dress up, nor did he research the company. He thought charm would get him through. It didn't.

    James

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    jck

    1) Some people can't afford even a $299 suit from Men's Warehouse...I would *NEVER* judge someone's ability based on their level of clothing.

    2) Dressing for an interview vs. Dressing for a hot babe: Very dissimilar - I'm not looking to get hot and heavy with my employer...

    Maybe the guy who showed up in running shoes and jeans just flew in to interview and the airline lost his bag?

    Trust me...almost happened to me. Almost went in jeans and a casual shirt because of the airline they booked me through.

    Don't always think because they show up in street clothes that they had a choice.

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    jdclyde

    but I do have a few nice dress shirts and a few ties. (no, I don't think wearing the one with the cat holding the computer mouse in it's mouth by the "tail" would get me the job, nor the one that looks like circuit board.)

    There are other things, is their hair neat (provided they have hair)?

    Are they clean shaven, or a few daze growth?

    Do they look like someone your customers would be comfortable with, if they deal with customers?

    In case of the airline, if it were a chance of a lifetime interview, you can bet my interview clothes would be carry on.

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    jdclyde

    When I walk in that door for in interview, you have no way of REALLY knowing what kind of employee I would turn out to be.

    Until you can PROVE yourself, show them what they want to see.

    The first year or so, I wore a tie. Now it is izod all the way.

    I am about 9 days out from last shave.

    And again, as James pointed out, there is a difference between daily wear and interview wear. Pretty yourself up.

    Pressed pants? That is what you have a dryer for! (hey, what do you expect? The ex got the iron in the divorce..... ;\ )

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    JamesRL

    Isn't that what drycleaners are for. $2.99...

    One of my interviewing rituals was to always have a suit/jacket ready to go on a moments notice. You just have to hit the drycleaner after an interview...

    I still keep a shaving kit ready to go for last minute travel. I can and have packed for a 3/4 day business trip in under 5 minutes.


    James

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    jdclyde

    I was not even LOOKING for a different job...

    The first time I was still a student, but working a lot in the CAD labs. Who would have ever thought someone would pay you to use a computer to draw pretty pictures? B-)

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    nickwarhead

    Just what we need is more suit and tie dorks for this stuffy business culture. It doesn't matter what you wear its what's in your head. It seems the freaks seem to be the ones that are the geniuses compared to the *** kissing suit and tie set who have their noses too far up their bosses *** to really care about technology.

    What the **** happened to the "bearded sandal" mentality that my instructor in college told me about????

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    bmagurn

    a) college professors generally know very little about the real world, unless someone did a research study on some aspect of it.

    b) In an interview, much more than dress is and should be considered.

    However, if a candidate can't find the time to prepare for their interview with a decent set of dress clothes (pressed shirt, and a tie, minimum), that is one indicator of their true behavior.

    Hiring managers are always looking for indicators of a person's true behavior, as opposed to the "what you want to hear" answers to the questions.

    c) Why put yourself at a disadvantage, by dressing down as a statement! We're talking about how to prepare for the interview. Use your dress to get a headstart.

    d) If you have such a moral objection to a business casual dress code, go to the interview in ratty shorts and a t-shirt. If you ever find someone to hire you, it may be a match made in heaven.

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    jdclyde

    you can dress any way they will ALLOW you to.

    Take a good look at your college instructor. Was he wearing sandals? Bet he wasn't.

    Then go again and ask him why HE doesn't have one of these near mythical jobs of the "bearded sandal" techs. Are there some out there? Sure, but they have been in the trade for a few decades and have distinguished themselves far apart from everyone else in their fields and can get away with it. You have neither distinguished yourself, nor can you get away with it.

    Don't worry, when you get a job, you will see what it is like out here. Just look for a place that has a very casual dress code.

    Better yet, be your own boss, and you can dress any way you wish without your boss judging you based upon what you look like.

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    nickwarhead

    Well, I have a job, and my abilty to do it does not depend on what I wear. I'm going to be telecommuting in the next couple of months, so I can sit in my underwear and work all day if I want.

    I think of being a tech as more like being an auto mechanic or something like that, rather then being a suit wearing fat *** office worker. It should be kept in that realm. We're not business men.

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    jc2it

    Gee, with that attitude of yours I can see why they want you to telecommute. It makes it that much easier to justify downsizing you.

    Your problem is that you do not realize that the IT department holds the keys to the business. We have access to all of the accounting information, because we manage the data. This requires someone of greater than average intelligence. Not only do you need to understand the hardware, but you also need to understand the value of the data.

    Go back to the school of hard knocks and get a real degree. A working man's PhD.

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    jmgarvin

    If IT is being an auto mechanic, you are doing something wrong...

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    Tony Hopkinson

    They will have as little time for you as you seem to for them. Unfortunately they are the ones who come up with the work, and there are a shed load of people out there with your skillset who will at least show some respect for that.

    Not a dig, business types want and to be quite honest need tech's who meet them at least half way.

    You'd have to be extremely high value for them to accept anything less and I can assure you their next meeting will be on how to not have to need to be dependant on you again.

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    jdclyde

    Clearly you don't know many mechanics, first of all. They do care about their appearance because no one will want a grubby slob working on anything other than a beater car. The higher end shops even sweep up between cars and have a spotless floor.

    And the same "suit wearing fat *** office workers" are the only reason you temporarily have a job. These people are your customers, and loathing your customers is a real dumb way to go through your day.

    Enjoy your miserable existence, hating everyone that is making a decent living, and blame them for you being left behind. Hope you like mac n' cheese. I see a lot of it in your help desk future.

    jc called it right on the spot. You will not be giving the keys to the most valuable asset the company has (it's data) if you look like a low life slob.

    And studies have shown that people that telecommute that do not dress professionally, do not act or perform professionally, and are not long for their position.

    From the flawed mentality you have shown here, I doubt if you have the self control needed to work without someone watching over you. This may not be the best move for you, unless your working for your mom or something?

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    jck

    I guess Steve Wozniak is a real lazy, unknowledgable kind...and he didn't even wear a formal suit to present at things like international electronics conferences.

    Of course...Gates doesn't either. Oh jesus...I just argued for Gates...I need medication.

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    jck

    Trust me...if I interviewed you, I could tell if you were going to be able to know how to program, attach and detach a SQL Server database through both Enterprise Manager and the command line, and if you can program a logic ladder for a PLC.

    If you can tell me how to do things with those and that is part of the job, I can be assured you're going to know how to do the work.

    As to whether or not you're a good worker...that's a different story. That's what the 6 month probationary period is for...and the clause that if you are unable to perform the duties of your position that it is grounds for termination.

    I figure anyone who wants to work, is amiable, and has the knowledge and know-how to do the work...I'm not going to make the assumption their coming to an interview in less than business wear means they are lazy or don't care.

    Think outside the box...it works

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    jdclyde

    on what the rules are.

    If you are doing the interviewing, your free to set whatever standards you like, just make sure you keep some standards to yourself, like trying to fill the office with eye-candy. ]:)

    Someone should look NEAT, agreed?

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    jck

    I think some artwork looks neat.

    If by neat you mean showered and maintaining proper hygiene...sure.

    Some people don't consider a beard to be "neat".

    I think they should be clean...hair styled in some way (at least combed).

    I mean, I know there was a girl at my place of employment who was pushed-off to the side because she had a tongue piercing. I told the guys that was kind of absurd, because they probably have children or young relatives who have them and they wouldn't put them off because of it.

    Plus, this girl had a Bachelors and Masters...and she wanted a job as a tech...and she had all the experience. I don't know why we hired the guy we have, but we did. She was obviously more qualified (she had more tech experience...the job that she was applying for) than he did (he had been a network admin and hardware consultant).

    Anyways...people should be clean...and presentable. But, wearing jeans shouldn't discount you from a job if you don't have a suit.

    There are some people in this world who are qualified and looking to improve their position in life...and can barely afford the jeans they have.

    P.S.- If a really hot looking girl is just as qualified as all the others...**** yeah I'd hire her (if she's single :D) ]:)

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    JamesRL

    You don't only interview to confirm technical skills. You interview to get an idea of the person. As I mentioned in another post" Can they do it, Will they do it, will they fit in?". If I assume the resume is somewhat accurate, I know whether they can do the job before they interview.

    I cannot afford to wait six months to see if they "will" do the job. I need to get an idea before I offer them a job.

    If the job of your dreams came up, would you not care enough to dress your best?

    For this job, I had been out of work for 18 months. I was running on empty money wise. But I knew I had an interview coming and I knew there would be more, and that my old suits didn't fit. So I spent a grand total of $199 on a suit.

    I don't hire easily or terminate easily.

    A job is a big thing, why wouldn't you want to look the best you can.

    James

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    jck

    You're 22.

    Just out of college.

    From an working-class family.

    You have a 4.0 from school.

    You're sharp and good at what you do.

    You had to go to school on loans.

    How the **** do you afford a suit?

    Should you be discounted from the job because you can't afford one?

    BTW...I *never* said that attitude and demeanor and amiability are not important...especially in a team environment. I said that the ability to do the job is most important.

    Looking clean and decent is different than wearing a suit.

    Some people don't have $199, man. Feel lucky you did.

    Anyways, I'm going home.

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    JamesRL

    I went to school on loans, no help from parents.

    You spend thousands of dollars on school, why wouldn't you spend a few $$ on a suit.

    Sears warehouse, I have one suit I bought for $79.

    Or just buy a blazer or sports coat.

    The point is to make an effort.

    I had one guy show up in one of those shiny prom suits - not professional, but at least I knew he was trying.

    You want someone to validate that you can show up how you like? Fine. Don't apply at a Fortune 1000 company - or at least not the vast majority of them.

    James

    James

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    jck

    1) I interviewed with Wal-Mart Corporation last week in Bentonville, AR. US Airways almost didn't get my bag back to me to have my suit for the interview. I almost had to go in jeans.

    2) My friend Harold from college was in the situation of not having any money after he finished and he was working 2 part time jobs to make ends meet (pharmacy store and national guard). He couldn't afford $79 for a suit. He ate 4 for $1 packs of Rodeo hotdogs and 4 for $1 Rainbo hotdog buns and 12 for $1 ramen noodles and generic ketchup and what not so he could eat on under $40 a month.

    It's not BS...it's real life.

    And BTW...if you had enough money left over from loans to afford that suit after you finished college, I guess you borrowed more than just for your education.

    Anyways...go on dreaming everyone has it as nice as you did...and tell Tink and Peter Pan in Neverneverland I said hi too.

    P.S.- I turned down Wal-Mart...

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    jdclyde

    how much was cable tv?

    no beer and cigs, right?

    And it sounds like getting an extra $100 on a student loan would have been a smart idea, as the reason he went to college is to be able to get a job, right? Dressing appropreately to get a job isn't rocket science, and something nice to wear is just one thing that you can do to KEEP from giving them a reason to pick someone else.

    When interviewing dozens for a position, do you really think they have a lot else to go on that what your resume and appearance say about you?

    First impressions do matter. Why put yourself at a disadvantage just because someone thinks they shouldn't have to dress a certain way, or spent their money on something they thought was more important than a professional appearance?

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    jck

    1) he had no cell phone...

    2) he had no cable tv

    3) he lived in a 1-room efficiency apartment above a garage

    He didn't have money, man...if he was blowing money on $hit, I'd have had no sympathy for him.

    But...don't think the circumstance doesn't exist in the world just because you have not seen it.

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    JamesRL

    Right out of university I didn't get an IT job. I found a job working at a camera store for just over minimum wage. I wore a tweed jacket to my interview for that job.

    If you really wanna know, I did get a student loan, and my parents were also expected to contribute a fair amount, but they didn't. I don't blame them, my family never had a lot and I had 4 brothers.

    I didn't drink a lot of beer or eat a lot of pizza in university, and much of what I did consume was due to the generosity of friends. I also got a part time job in my first week of university. I never had a lot of money.

    I've eaten my fair shair of Ramen and hot dogs and Mac and cheese.

    When I went for my first IT job interview, I borrowed money from my family for a suit.

    You can sit there and judge me all you want. But I am closer to the perspective of hiring managers of the vast majority of companies than you.

    James

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    jdclyde

    Picture this, I know someone that was working two jobs, bringing in about 18k a year, supporting a wife and twin boys, AND taking 9 credit hours a semester. You might even know him....

    Things are tight all over.

    Bottom line, many employers don't CARE what your situation is, and seeing you THAT poor can count against you as someone that is hurting for money is more likely to perform petty theft. That is the same reason some employers will check your credit rating. Are they suppose to? No. Do they? Yes.

    I am not sitting here judging anyone for the way they dress. I am just pointing out the fact that many people that ARE in the position to hire WILL judge you based on how you present yourself.

    Crying about it not being fair won't help one bit. It is the real world, and if you wish to play someone else's game, you have to play by their rules. YOUR only solution is to find someone that has rules you want to play by or become your own boss and make up your own rules. Simple, really. Anything else is just making excuses.

    Right now, that same guy I was referring to has sole custody, and is raising his twin boys with no financial support or assistance from his ex-wife. Add to that, his oldest twin is trying to be very helpful. He is helping them to meet their insurance deductible as he just broke his hand skateboarding. ;\

    And like I said a few posts ago, I do not own a suit today, but I do have a sports jacket and a nice conservative tie that goes with it. My boss is retiring at the end of the week, so I think I need to dust it off and update my resume and try to move up the ladder now that an opening is there. B-)

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    CaptBilly1Eye

    Whoa.
    That said it all and in a clear way.

    ...sounds like you're used to using a crutch as a lever rather than an excuse. In other words, not allowing roadblocks to equal a dead stop.

    Good Points.

    Using a bad situation to be self-righteously blind to the realities of business doesn't get anyone anywhere but into a worse situation.

    oh... and... Good Luck


    <damn, I miss the extended thread trick>

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    jdclyde

    "Using a bad situation to be self-righteously blind to the realities of business doesn't get anyone anywhere but into a worse situation."

    The "I'm a victim" syndrome these people put themselves in is exactly why there are so many people that are just getting by in life. Next thing you know, they will think that someone other than themselves should be responsible to pay for their health care. After that, someone other than themselves should start making their car payments too..... :0

    How did this country sink so low?

    I had a similar discussion with someone sniveling about how his facial piercings should not stop him from getting a good job. Waaaaaaaaaaaa. He got pissed when I told him if I was doing the hiring, he wouldn't make it past the first interview, provided he was able to sneak in that far, and if he DID get that far, it would be a very short interview as he wouldn't have a snowballs chance in **** unless we are talking hiring to be a ditch digger that never is seen by the public.

    Oh, and my boy got lucky. They just put a splint on his hand instead of a cast. A lucky turn of events, considering how hot a cast would be this time of year, and the difficulties with taking showers.

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    jck

    none of you have ever been in real dire financial situations like my friend.

    Again, my friend was poor as ****...whether you want to believe it or not.

    As for borrowing money from family...he had parents who had money...and...they would not loan him anything. So, count yourself lucky if yours helped you...his wouldn't.

    JamesRL: I've been in a hiring firing roll before, and I got there by age 27. I chose not to be a manager. So, don't stick that nose up in the air and be all pious with me. I've been where you are at, and I found it dull, useless, and technically about as challenging as passing gas. I left it willingly. I hope you'll say the same for your career rather than being removed through attrition.

    jdclyde: Like I said before...because you haven't been there or seen someone who is in it...don't think it doesn't exist. My friend didn't even make $18k per year, especially when he was mobilized to Ft. Ord in Desert Storm and the military was his only income. He made $5-something an hour from Revco Drug. He made a few hundred a month from the National Guard.

    Luckily enough...someone in management didn't think him totally incompetent because he couldn't borrow money off his relatives or take more loans to enhance his wardrobe.

    Last I talked to him, he was working as a digital trunk line engineer for Alcatel.

    Anyway...I must be in the wrong place being around the aristocracy of IT. I feel out of place here anymore, hence I am making myself scarce.

    I have no time to argue with people who think that there is a definitive set of traits that define the quality of a person's work ethic, and one of those major indicators being how much you're willing to spend for clothing.

    I wish you all the best...and hope none of you are judged for technical merit based on your wardrobe.

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    DT2

    Dress nice. Remember, the interviewer doesn't know you from Adam. All they have to go on is your resume and how well you performed in the interview. How would the interviewer know that you are meticulous in your coding and database design? Because you told them so? Given that you have two people that seem to be equally qualified from their resumes and interviews, the one that dresses nicer will tip the scales in their favor.

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    CaptBilly1Eye

    I was focusing more on the initial 'Please Hire Me' interview.
    Because it is more acceptable now in the work place to 'dress down' to a point, does that transfer over to the interview?
    Or is it still as important to dress more for the job of the person interviewing rather than the job you are interviewing for?

    The book, 'Dress for Success', published back in the 70s (with a revised, updated version in the 90s) was aimed at the idea that you should look your best in order to land the job that leads to your success. Although, the idea of trying to make a impression by dressing the part may have become diluted over the years. Don't you think it still carries some weight?

    I keep remembering a manager I once had that said; "you should always dress for the job you want, not the one you have."

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    lhanson

    CaptBillyOneEye beat me to the punch. I dress down at work but not as down as some of my people. When I interviewed for this job and others I was considering at the time, I wore suits and ties. My theory is that I wanted them to get the impression they were hiring a professional who takes his job seriously. I don't make it a point, but I dress better than the president of the company. In fact he asked me not to wear my suit coat to a meeting with a customer one day and was a little surprised to see me in a tie.

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    CharlieSpencer

    Nothing says unprepared like borrowing a pen when asked to fill out an application. I knew a manager who kept a green pen for just such requests. That way he could tell at a glance what applications to ignore.

    Don't ask to use their copier to make a copy of your resume, vita, references, etc. You should have done that before you got there.

    Don't rely on others for transportation. The only thing worse than being late because your friend had car trouble is having to leave the interview because your friend has an appointment of his own. If you can't arrange reliable transportation for a single interview, how are you going to do it five days a week?

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    Locrian_Lyric

    explicit instructions to the receptionist...

    if an applicant asked to borrow the pen, green it was...

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    n4aof

    While I was involved in hiring people it was a place where we received specific applications before we considered doing interviews. A sloppy application NEVER resulted in an interview. Back in the days of typewriters, in one large batch of applicants for an Admin Services position (glorified typist) every hand written application was discarded unread, followed into the trash by each application with less than perfect spelling, visible corrections, and where the text was out of place.

    Our standards for applications for professional positions were NOT QUITE as absolute on the appearance of the application, but 'neatness and spelling' were still absolutely mandatory.

    As for dress and appearance at the interview, we expected the applicant to look at least as well dressed as would be appropriate for the job.

    In the real world there is a double-standard for female applicants to dress appropriately simply because there are more kinds of "inappropriate" ways for a woman to dress. (I have never seen a male applicant for any office job show up looking like an actor at a casting call for a Fabio stand-in but I have seen several women show up for a morning interview dressed for a night at the club).

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    JamesRL

    Have an extra copy of your resume just in case they invite another guest into the interview (it happens).

    Get to the area of the interview well before hand. Find a place to sit with coffee/tea and review your notes before the interview - you did take notes when you researched the company right?

    If the interview is in an unfamiliar area, drive there at night so you know the way - but assume traffic will be worse when the interview happens.

    Tide to go....nuff said. Bring an extra tie.

    I polish my shoes the night before.

    I've gone so far as to call up my references and review some of my behavioural questions (tell me about a time when you....). A little coaching can go a long way, and since you can anticipate certain questions, you can really shine if you make the effort.

    James

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    jdclyde

    It really is amazing how many people don't even THINK about this as a repeatable process.

    Research the company? I have seen people walking in, looking for a job and put "any" under the position desired. Yeah, that will impress them.

    My last two interviews I was painfully unprepared for, and was even wearing jeans and a tee shirt for one, but they were cases where I was referred to them and they asked me to come right over for an interview. Got both jobs.

    With the current market, I think I had better build a new resume and prepare for the worst. If the worst happens and I am prepared for it, it isn't as big a deal.

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    alphatech9

    I generally follow this rule also. But I will say that it probably only comes into play 10%-20% of the time. More often than not they hand you a pen and an application in one. They never see your pen. I like my own pen because I prefer the gel pens, over traditional ink. I write so much better with the gel, and of course you want to write as neat as possible on any app....

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    jmgarvin

    I bring an extra cover letter and resume/cv, references, a pen, scratch paper, and a small portfolio of work (code samples, curriculum snippets, etc).

    I've also gotten in the habit of driving to the office where I will be interviewing the night before. It gives me an idea of the distance and I won't get lost when I head to the interview.

    I hate the new hottness of filling out applications for EVERY job...blech...

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    Freebird54

    one time. At that point I pulled out the cheap Bic I had along, and told him I rarely used a pen (as I was always in reach of a computer) but at least the colour of the one I had was an improvement!

    Not that I knew what he was doing - but that could well have been it! As for transportation - if you really don't have a reliable setup, bite the bullet and use a cab. You can bus it to fairly nearby to keep the cost down - and walking back to the bus isn't that big a hardship - after all, you can lose the tie AFTER the interview... :)

    I think it is best to arrive slightly overdressed - it is easy to achieve more informality after arrival if it seems to be more appropriate - and very hard to go the other direction!

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    jdclyde

    If it is worth getting the job, you should know a little bit more about it? In todays market with the internet postings allowing the interviewer to find more qualified applicants, anything to stand out of the crowd is good, like knowing how people dress because you have been there already.

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    Locrian_Lyric

    Suit and tie for men, business dress for women.

    UNLESS:

    you happen to know that a particular company considers that to be too formal, and there aren't many that do.

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    Winnie The Pooh

    What do you do in a situation where the company is 'dress casual?' How do you know what they consider 'too formal'?
    In the past I'd say - suit. But now I'm wondering if a sport coat & tie would be better. - with dress pants, of couse.
    I went to an interview for an assistant manager position a month ago wearing a new, tailored suit. I felt that in the large company where I applied where everyone is in casual clothes, including the manager, that I was over dressed. It made me self-conscious and uncomfortable. Needless to say, I didn't get called back. But that was most likely related to my limited certs.

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    jdclyde

    If you felt uncomfortable, you probably LOOKED uncomfortable.

    The interviewer could easily mistake being uncomfortable on being over dressed with a lack of confidence in your abilities.

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    CaptBilly1Eye

    It's hard to hide it when you're uncomfortable.
    Makes 'em think there is something else buggin' ya.

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    Winnie The Pooh

    I can see how that may have had something to do with it.

    But the silver lining was that I landed a better job anyway.
    funny how things work like that.

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    DownRightTired

    did you wear a suit to that interview?

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    Winnie The Pooh

    I wore a blue sport coat, power tie, white shirt and gray slacks.
    quite dapper if I do say so myself.

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    jdclyde

    Not getting a certain job sometimes is a good thing. I have applied places and been denied. Years later I would meet someone that had been there and they HATED it there. Dodged that bullet!

    Congrats on the better job.

    And yes, DID you dress up for the better job?

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    Winnie The Pooh

    That company that didn't hire me is going through its second wave of lay-offs. I would have probably been axed due to lack of seniority.

    and, yes. I dressed up but I wore a sport coat as opposed to a full suit.

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    onbliss

    Dress matters less. Attitude matters more to me as a programmer.

    But a well ironed full sleeves + pants, and recently shined shoes would do good for me.

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    jmgarvin

    I tend to wear a dark 2 piece suit with either a white shirt, for the more conservative areas of the country, or a colored shirt. I usually wear a primarily red, blue, or black tie.

    However, most interviews in the southwest and California seem to be ok with a shirt and tie.

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    Ironspider

    Tie optional

    Message was edited by: beth.blakely@...

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    CaptBilly1Eye

    I figured it was only a matter of time till someone took the low road. Congrats on being the first.
    Actually I expected something more like a suggestion for women to wear a French Maid outfit. :)

    Is this a shot of you working in your underwear?

    <couldn't resist>

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    Ironspider

    At least in my mind's eye.

    Message was edited by: beth.blakely@...

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    jmgarvin

    Zee goggles, zey do nathing...

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    CharlieSpencer

    I can't unsubscribe from this topic fast enough.

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    Tig2

    A long skirted black suit in winter- with appropriate footwear, and a shorter skirted black suit in summer.

    The feedback I hear, even if I am not the preferred candidate is that I was appropriately attired and would continue to make stellar first impressions.

    Yes, how you dress for the interview speaks volumes.

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    Ironspider

    Speaking louder.

    Message was edited by: beth.blakely@...

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    jdclyde

    Do you feel like you are treated differently in a dress than a pants suit?

    I have seem some that pull it off nicely, but others, not so nicely.

    Oh yeah, it seems like ironspider has shown himself to be unworthy of reading his comments. That didn't take long, did it?

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    Tig2

    Never got to see it. I had to do real work today.

    The comment I get has more to do with ingrained bias- that business professional for a woman is a skirted suit.

    There is a rule about short skirted suits- the hem must NEVER be above the knee. And a tailored blouse is the appropriate pairing, although in this state, a crew necked sweater or turtleneck is acceptable.

    Oh and no black hose after Memorial Day. Not in the work environment, anyway.

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    gadgetgirl

    I've found that there ARE distinct differences. I've no idea why! Perhaps it's the old fashioned thing of ladies should only wear dresses/skirts, not trousers. It could be the "look feminine" thing..... ;\

    I agree with you; some women can carry off a skirt suit and some look downright uncomfortable. From my experience, it depends how good the woman feels wearing skirts. I've a few female friends who only possess one skirt, as part of a suit, that they keep solely for interview situations.

    That's when it tells; believe it or not, guys, you have to be used to wearing a skirt to wear one well. That's why I started occasionally wearing skirts for work (to comments like "oh you HAVE got legs!" and " is this the annual outing for your legs?!" etc.) I found I was less "confident" if I hadn't worn a skirt for a while. Why? You forget the niceities of how to sit/stand, get in/out of a car etc. without showing off your underwear! You also forget how to gauge gusts of wind, and when to hang on to your hem before it hits you in the face....

    For me, on the interview front, I'm two for two with the skirt suits, so I'll probably never wear a trouser suit for interview again....

    GG

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    jdclyde

    And knowing the rules allows you to get by. I follow the same idea of maintaining the illusion of respectability in my professional life.

    Very few here at work know I go to OzFest every year, and even fewer know I crash the mosh pits. I think only one person knows I have a tattoo, and NONE of them know or have seen me with an ear ring in ( now THAT was an interesting story, for another time.... )

    People that know me, know I am folicolly challenged, so I keep it trimmed short (what is left). No bald guy with the big pony tail here!

    We play by others rules when we want to play THEIR game. You are free to "be yourself" when you are your own boss.

    And yes, guys are just WAITING for women to been to pick something up the wrong way. It is the simple things in life that make it all worth living..... ]:)

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    gadgetgirl

    I think you told me what it was, but the heat has my memory fried today....

    More importantly - WHERE??!!



    As for keeping your hair trimmed short - same question! WHERE??!!



    ]:)

    GG

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    jdclyde

    In high school, I was referred to as "The Missing Link" because of being "fuzzy".

    Got to keep "it" well groomed, ya know? B-)

    Tat, just a dragon on my calf. Nothing scandalous, sorry!

    Got that whole "heat" thing started up again already? Or is this coming in "flashes"? :0

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    gadgetgirl

    This morning, the weather forecast for my area said no wind, cloudy, dry (ish) and 66F.

    In actuality, it's blue sky, blazing hot sunshine, no clouds at all, they've burned off, the wind is distinctly warm, and the temp keeps going between around 72 - 76F.

    Help! I'm melting!



    Can I have some g & t to go with the ice you're going to want to send me, please??



    GG

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    NaughtyMonkey

    I have a pierced lip, a few ear piercings, and multiple tattoos. One tattoo is on my forearm (bad decision when I was 16) so I always wear long sleeves to interviews unless I know the company is not appearance bias. Usually I wear a suit and lose the jacket if I don't feel I need it. I also never wear any piercings to the interview.

    After I get a job, I tend to wear long sleeves for a few days and eventually roll them up or something after testing peoples opinions on tattoos. That was a dumb thing to do, but I get by with it. I also never wear any piercings to work. I maintain a professional appearance and dress however is standard for the company. I don't talk about the killer show I went to the night before or how my wife pissed me off. My personal life stays personal and I do my job well.

    Even after you get a job, you still have to impress in one way or another (hopefully by what you know), so you can't let your guard down right away.

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    jdclyde

    Sorry, I just HAD to say that! ]:)

    Anywho... You are referring to what I call "Maintaining the illusion of respectability".

    When I got my office job, I stopped wearing my ear ring. At Ozzfest or halloween, I will put one back in, but NEVER at work or around anyone from work.

    A lot of this goes back to the same ideas of what is proper behavior at an office Christmas party. Don't drink too much, dress nicely, and don't use this as a time to beotch about how dumb the boss is.

    Back in "the day", I ALMOST got a tat on my forearm, but lucky for me I didn't like the idea of getting something off the wall. Was going to get a falcon, but then my but got an eagle there, so scratch that......

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    NaughtyMonkey

    i will sue for sexual harassment. Of course if it were someone like GG or Shelbot that would be different.

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    GlennHughes

    Always wear formal business attire when you attend an interview until such a time that the interviewer says the company has a casual dress code (I'd still go for formal personally though) or, if you are successful, you join the company and find it out then.
    Also stick with the idiots dress guide - plain, basic colour suits (black, dark blue, grey etc.), no Homer Simpson ties or socks, polished shoes, have a shave, no 'sexy' clothes for women (it won't get you any points unless the interviewer is a complete idiot anyway).
    I interview for various positions from software engineer to manager and if they show up scruffy I think they haven't made any effort and aren't bothered about the role or their chances.

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    I am a rather short person and tend to look much shorter when wearing a suit. I have found that nice sport coats work very well for me. I will always wear slacks, pressed shirt, tie, and sport coat for a first interview. On a second interview I will tailor my dress to be slightly better than what the interviewer was wearing on my first interview.

    This worked very well about six months ago when I interviewed for my current position. I interviewed with a CPA firm and dressed appropriately. The manager who interviewed me actually apologized for not being more appropriately dressed herself. This gave me an opportunity to break the ice and take control of the interview. I left confident that I had landed the job. The second interview was a formality with one of the partners. I was offered the job an hour after I left the second interview.

    If you dress well it is easier for the manager to imagine you dressing down appropriately than the reverse.

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    geraldken

    I couldn't agree more, a suit is never inappropriate at a job interview. Even when I worked at a company where people came to the office in shorts and flip-flops, it was important to them that when I presented myself for an interview I took the time and effort to put my best foot forward.

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    OldER Mycroft

    Which one?

    Oh, and how flashy was the one solitary shoe?

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    rippleintheforce

    If you don't care enough to dress like you want the job, you wont get it. Show up at my place in jeans and a t-shirt you are automatically not considered After you get the job dress like everybody else.

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    Wayne M.

    I expect to see the more formal end of common business attire in an interview. This gives the impression that the interviewee went out of his way to prepare for the interview. To show up in business casual or less formal makes me feel that the interviewee was just squeezing the interview into his day and was not treating it as anything special.

    To overcome this bad first impression, a candidate would have to show that he is clearly a superior find and he would have to do it quickly. A while back, we had a candidate for a senior programming position show up in a sport coat thrown over jeans and a t-shirt; I'm not even sure his hair was combed. I think we set a new record in walking him though the interview list and out the door.

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    SlappyMcnasty

    If possible I like to visit the building prior to the interview. My rule is to dress slightly better than the average employee you see walking in the door.
    If they are in jeans, khakis and polo shirt, if they are in khakis, dress pants and shirt, if they are in dress pants, go with the suit.

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    Dr_Zinj

    Slappy has it right. Underdressing sends a message that you either don't care, or are sloppy.

    Dressing the same level doesn't make you stand out, so if you're no different, then why should we hire you.

    Way overdressing means you either are stupid, a snob, or just think you're better than everyone else, so why are you looking for a job here?

    1 step up indicates that you took the time to do a little research, that you respect the interviewer(s), and that you stand out a bit from the playing field. i.e. you're good, but not threatening.

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    PalKerekfy

    I like it!

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    JamesRL

    You should dress like you made an effort.

    It doesn't have to be the most formal suit(unless applying for sales job or management position), it can be a sports jacket (Blue blazer, grey pants always works).

    I had one candidate show up in running shoes. Tatty old running shoes. Those do not meet our business casual requirements even....

    James

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    Why Me Worry??

    No wonder they were looking at me funny and the ladies were gazing at my boxer shorts when I entered the receptionist area.

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    SObaldrick

    .. and got the job. 4 of my last 5 contract jobs I took the job without a face-to-face interview. The idea of contract-to-hire is so much easier than interviewing for a full-time position. And neither party has to go out of their way to be perfect at the interview. Get you foot in the door. If you're good they'll hire you, if not they won't. Similarly, if the company is successful and intersting, I'll stay. If not, I'll go find another contract when this one is up. No messing about with suits and ties required - I interview so much better in my underwear.

    Les.

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    jolevine

    No offense meant but a woman had to have invented the Tie which to me is a symbol of a leash/control?

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    nickwarhead

    Sounds good to me. They are not hiring your suit to do the job, their hiring a person by what's in their minds and in their hearts. These fake *** business people need to learn that.

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    blackdogphoto

    The debate of "Do I have to wear a tie", "This is only a part-time job", should never have been started. The whole reason of dressing nicely for a job interview shows not only respect you have for the person that is interviewing you, also it shows that you have respect for yourself. If someone dosen't have a business suit, don't run out and buy one, see if someone you know could let you borrow it or a Sport Coat even a pairof nice pants a nice shirt and tie is better than showing up in no tie.I know that in 95% of the job market you do get a higher mark if you dress appropriately. Good luck, show them you have respect for yourself.

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    crdanford

    You need to dress for the job in question. If you don't know, ask when you schedule the interview what the dress code is, and what the common dress is for the position. Then dress a touch better than that.

    I interview for break/fix hardware technicians that start out at $10-15/hr. When candidates come in in a suit, I assume they are not looking for such a low level position. Our technicians wear polo shirts and jeans or khakis. I would prefer to see interview candidates in nice pants and a button up shirt, a tie would be fine, but a three peice suit is overboard.

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    Alchemist-Joat

    If the company doesn't like my casual wear in an interview, then I probably don't want to work for that company.

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    jck

    on the environment of the workplace.

    on the job they are interviewing for.

    I would not expect a network tech to come in a suit and tie.

    I would not think an IT manager candidate would come in Dockers and a golf knit.

    But, I would not discount their ability as a manager. I don't think dress = success. Success is a direct result of the ability of your team...not their wardrobe budget.

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    jdclyde

    neat and well groomed is a must. If you look like you slept in your shirt, it can be assumed you will show as much eye for detail on the job as you did for how you got dressed.

    Environment is key though. You walk into a mom n' pop shop, they don't want a pretentious stuff shirt. If you walk into IBM wanting a job, better have a sports jacket over that tie.

    Having shiny shoes also helps you look up skirts..... ]:)

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    jck

    I don't always shave and I sometimes wear a shirt that has a hole in the pocket or a pair of slacks that aren't pressed. But, I am meticulous in my coding and database design.

    Wardrobe is not a definitive indicator of work ethic.

    Not everyone is the same. I'd rather have someone who looks a bit disshevelled and can do their job, than someone who comes in snazzy dress thinking that their wardrobe makes their work ethic any better.

    I agree with your 2nd paragraph....and 3rd especially ]:)

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    JamesRL

    For an interview you need to present yourself as well as you can. Show them your best self. And that means making an effort.

    Would you fail to shave and wear a shirt with a hole in it on a first date with a hot babe? The situation isn't that dissimilar.

    The guy who showed up to my office all dishevelled and in running shoes for an interview basically told me that he really didn't care to make an effort. He didn't dress up, nor did he research the company. He thought charm would get him through. It didn't.

    James

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    jck

    1) Some people can't afford even a $299 suit from Men's Warehouse...I would *NEVER* judge someone's ability based on their level of clothing.

    2) Dressing for an interview vs. Dressing for a hot babe: Very dissimilar - I'm not looking to get hot and heavy with my employer...

    Maybe the guy who showed up in running shoes and jeans just flew in to interview and the airline lost his bag?

    Trust me...almost happened to me. Almost went in jeans and a casual shirt because of the airline they booked me through.

    Don't always think because they show up in street clothes that they had a choice.

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    jdclyde

    but I do have a few nice dress shirts and a few ties. (no, I don't think wearing the one with the cat holding the computer mouse in it's mouth by the "tail" would get me the job, nor the one that looks like circuit board.)

    There are other things, is their hair neat (provided they have hair)?

    Are they clean shaven, or a few daze growth?

    Do they look like someone your customers would be comfortable with, if they deal with customers?

    In case of the airline, if it were a chance of a lifetime interview, you can bet my interview clothes would be carry on.

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    jdclyde

    When I walk in that door for in interview, you have no way of REALLY knowing what kind of employee I would turn out to be.

    Until you can PROVE yourself, show them what they want to see.

    The first year or so, I wore a tie. Now it is izod all the way.

    I am about 9 days out from last shave.

    And again, as James pointed out, there is a difference between daily wear and interview wear. Pretty yourself up.

    Pressed pants? That is what you have a dryer for! (hey, what do you expect? The ex got the iron in the divorce..... ;\ )

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    JamesRL

    Isn't that what drycleaners are for. $2.99...

    One of my interviewing rituals was to always have a suit/jacket ready to go on a moments notice. You just have to hit the drycleaner after an interview...

    I still keep a shaving kit ready to go for last minute travel. I can and have packed for a 3/4 day business trip in under 5 minutes.


    James

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    jdclyde

    I was not even LOOKING for a different job...

    The first time I was still a student, but working a lot in the CAD labs. Who would have ever thought someone would pay you to use a computer to draw pretty pictures? B-)

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    nickwarhead

    Just what we need is more suit and tie dorks for this stuffy business culture. It doesn't matter what you wear its what's in your head. It seems the freaks seem to be the ones that are the geniuses compared to the *** kissing suit and tie set who have their noses too far up their bosses *** to really care about technology.

    What the **** happened to the "bearded sandal" mentality that my instructor in college told me about????

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    bmagurn

    a) college professors generally know very little about the real world, unless someone did a research study on some aspect of it.

    b) In an interview, much more than dress is and should be considered.

    However, if a candidate can't find the time to prepare for their interview with a decent set of dress clothes (pressed shirt, and a tie, minimum), that is one indicator of their true behavior.

    Hiring managers are always looking for indicators of a person's true behavior, as opposed to the "what you want to hear" answers to the questions.

    c) Why put yourself at a disadvantage, by dressing down as a statement! We're talking about how to prepare for the interview. Use your dress to get a headstart.

    d) If you have such a moral objection to a business casual dress code, go to the interview in ratty shorts and a t-shirt. If you ever find someone to hire you, it may be a match made in heaven.

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    jdclyde

    you can dress any way they will ALLOW you to.

    Take a good look at your college instructor. Was he wearing sandals? Bet he wasn't.

    Then go again and ask him why HE doesn't have one of these near mythical jobs of the "bearded sandal" techs. Are there some out there? Sure, but they have been in the trade for a few decades and have distinguished themselves far apart from everyone else in their fields and can get away with it. You have neither distinguished yourself, nor can you get away with it.

    Don't worry, when you get a job, you will see what it is like out here. Just look for a place that has a very casual dress code.

    Better yet, be your own boss, and you can dress any way you wish without your boss judging you based upon what you look like.

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    nickwarhead

    Well, I have a job, and my abilty to do it does not depend on what I wear. I'm going to be telecommuting in the next couple of months, so I can sit in my underwear and work all day if I want.

    I think of being a tech as more like being an auto mechanic or something like that, rather then being a suit wearing fat *** office worker. It should be kept in that realm. We're not business men.

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    jc2it

    Gee, with that attitude of yours I can see why they want you to telecommute. It makes it that much easier to justify downsizing you.

    Your problem is that you do not realize that the IT department holds the keys to the business. We have access to all of the accounting information, because we manage the data. This requires someone of greater than average intelligence. Not only do you need to understand the hardware, but you also need to understand the value of the data.

    Go back to the school of hard knocks and get a real degree. A working man's PhD.

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    jmgarvin

    If IT is being an auto mechanic, you are doing something wrong...

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    Tony Hopkinson

    They will have as little time for you as you seem to for them. Unfortunately they are the ones who come up with the work, and there are a shed load of people out there with your skillset who will at least show some respect for that.

    Not a dig, business types want and to be quite honest need tech's who meet them at least half way.

    You'd have to be extremely high value for them to accept anything less and I can assure you their next meeting will be on how to not have to need to be dependant on you again.

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    jdclyde

    Clearly you don't know many mechanics, first of all. They do care about their appearance because no one will want a grubby slob working on anything other than a beater car. The higher end shops even sweep up between cars and have a spotless floor.

    And the same "suit wearing fat *** office workers" are the only reason you temporarily have a job. These people are your customers, and loathing your customers is a real dumb way to go through your day.

    Enjoy your miserable existence, hating everyone that is making a decent living, and blame them for you being left behind. Hope you like mac n' cheese. I see a lot of it in your help desk future.

    jc called it right on the spot. You will not be giving the keys to the most valuable asset the company has (it's data) if you look like a low life slob.

    And studies have shown that people that telecommute that do not dress professionally, do not act or perform professionally, and are not long for their position.

    From the flawed mentality you have shown here, I doubt if you have the self control needed to work without someone watching over you. This may not be the best move for you, unless your working for your mom or something?

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    jck

    I guess Steve Wozniak is a real lazy, unknowledgable kind...and he didn't even wear a formal suit to present at things like international electronics conferences.

    Of course...Gates doesn't either. Oh jesus...I just argued for Gates...I need medication.

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    jck

    Trust me...if I interviewed you, I could tell if you were going to be able to know how to program, attach and detach a SQL Server database through both Enterprise Manager and the command line, and if you can program a logic ladder for a PLC.

    If you can tell me how to do things with those and that is part of the job, I can be assured you're going to know how to do the work.

    As to whether or not you're a good worker...that's a different story. That's what the 6 month probationary period is for...and the clause that if you are unable to perform the duties of your position that it is grounds for termination.

    I figure anyone who wants to work, is amiable, and has the knowledge and know-how to do the work...I'm not going to make the assumption their coming to an interview in less than business wear means they are lazy or don't care.

    Think outside the box...it works

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    jdclyde

    on what the rules are.

    If you are doing the interviewing, your free to set whatever standards you like, just make sure you keep some standards to yourself, like trying to fill the office with eye-candy. ]:)

    Someone should look NEAT, agreed?

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    jck

    I think some artwork looks neat.

    If by neat you mean showered and maintaining proper hygiene...sure.

    Some people don't consider a beard to be "neat".

    I think they should be clean...hair styled in some way (at least combed).

    I mean, I know there was a girl at my place of employment who was pushed-off to the side because she had a tongue piercing. I told the guys that was kind of absurd, because they probably have children or young relatives who have them and they wouldn't put them off because of it.

    Plus, this girl had a Bachelors and Masters...and she wanted a job as a tech...and she had all the experience. I don't know why we hired the guy we have, but we did. She was obviously more qualified (she had more tech experience...the job that she was applying for) than he did (he had been a network admin and hardware consultant).

    Anyways...people should be clean...and presentable. But, wearing jeans shouldn't discount you from a job if you don't have a suit.

    There are some people in this world who are qualified and looking to improve their position in life...and can barely afford the jeans they have.

    P.S.- If a really hot looking girl is just as qualified as all the others...**** yeah I'd hire her (if she's single :D) ]:)

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    JamesRL

    You don't only interview to confirm technical skills. You interview to get an idea of the person. As I mentioned in another post" Can they do it, Will they do it, will they fit in?". If I assume the resume is somewhat accurate, I know whether they can do the job before they interview.

    I cannot afford to wait six months to see if they "will" do the job. I need to get an idea before I offer them a job.

    If the job of your dreams came up, would you not care enough to dress your best?

    For this job, I had been out of work for 18 months. I was running on empty money wise. But I knew I had an interview coming and I knew there would be more, and that my old suits didn't fit. So I spent a grand total of $199 on a suit.

    I don't hire easily or terminate easily.

    A job is a big thing, why wouldn't you want to look the best you can.

    James

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    jck

    You're 22.

    Just out of college.

    From an working-class family.

    You have a 4.0 from school.

    You're sharp and good at what you do.

    You had to go to school on loans.

    How the **** do you afford a suit?

    Should you be discounted from the job because you can't afford one?

    BTW...I *never* said that attitude and demeanor and amiability are not important...especially in a team environment. I said that the ability to do the job is most important.

    Looking clean and decent is different than wearing a suit.

    Some people don't have $199, man. Feel lucky you did.

    Anyways, I'm going home.

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    JamesRL

    I went to school on loans, no help from parents.

    You spend thousands of dollars on school, why wouldn't you spend a few $$ on a suit.

    Sears warehouse, I have one suit I bought for $79.

    Or just buy a blazer or sports coat.

    The point is to make an effort.

    I had one guy show up in one of those shiny prom suits - not professional, but at least I knew he was trying.

    You want someone to validate that you can show up how you like? Fine. Don't apply at a Fortune 1000 company - or at least not the vast majority of them.

    James

    James

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    jck

    1) I interviewed with Wal-Mart Corporation last week in Bentonville, AR. US Airways almost didn't get my bag back to me to have my suit for the interview. I almost had to go in jeans.

    2) My friend Harold from college was in the situation of not having any money after he finished and he was working 2 part time jobs to make ends meet (pharmacy store and national guard). He couldn't afford $79 for a suit. He ate 4 for $1 packs of Rodeo hotdogs and 4 for $1 Rainbo hotdog buns and 12 for $1 ramen noodles and generic ketchup and what not so he could eat on under $40 a month.

    It's not BS...it's real life.

    And BTW...if you had enough money left over from loans to afford that suit after you finished college, I guess you borrowed more than just for your education.

    Anyways...go on dreaming everyone has it as nice as you did...and tell Tink and Peter Pan in Neverneverland I said hi too.

    P.S.- I turned down Wal-Mart...

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    jdclyde

    how much was cable tv?

    no beer and cigs, right?

    And it sounds like getting an extra $100 on a student loan would have been a smart idea, as the reason he went to college is to be able to get a job, right? Dressing appropreately to get a job isn't rocket science, and something nice to wear is just one thing that you can do to KEEP from giving them a reason to pick someone else.

    When interviewing dozens for a position, do you really think they have a lot else to go on that what your resume and appearance say about you?

    First impressions do matter. Why put yourself at a disadvantage just because someone thinks they shouldn't have to dress a certain way, or spent their money on something they thought was more important than a professional appearance?

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    jck

    1) he had no cell phone...

    2) he had no cable tv

    3) he lived in a 1-room efficiency apartment above a garage

    He didn't have money, man...if he was blowing money on $hit, I'd have had no sympathy for him.

    But...don't think the circumstance doesn't exist in the world just because you have not seen it.

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    JamesRL

    Right out of university I didn't get an IT job. I found a job working at a camera store for just over minimum wage. I wore a tweed jacket to my interview for that job.

    If you really wanna know, I did get a student loan, and my parents were also expected to contribute a fair amount, but they didn't. I don't blame them, my family never had a lot and I had 4 brothers.

    I didn't drink a lot of beer or eat a lot of pizza in university, and much of what I did consume was due to the generosity of friends. I also got a part time job in my first week of university. I never had a lot of money.

    I've eaten my fair shair of Ramen and hot dogs and Mac and cheese.

    When I went for my first IT job interview, I borrowed money from my family for a suit.

    You can sit there and judge me all you want. But I am closer to the perspective of hiring managers of the vast majority of companies than you.

    James

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    jdclyde

    Picture this, I know someone that was working two jobs, bringing in about 18k a year, supporting a wife and twin boys, AND taking 9 credit hours a semester. You might even know him....

    Things are tight all over.

    Bottom line, many employers don't CARE what your situation is, and seeing you THAT poor can count against you as someone that is hurting for money is more likely to perform petty theft. That is the same reason some employers will check your credit rating. Are they suppose to? No. Do they? Yes.

    I am not sitting here judging anyone for the way they dress. I am just pointing out the fact that many people that ARE in the position to hire WILL judge you based on how you present yourself.

    Crying about it not being fair won't help one bit. It is the real world, and if you wish to play someone else's game, you have to play by their rules. YOUR only solution is to find someone that has rules you want to play by or become your own boss and make up your own rules. Simple, really. Anything else is just making excuses.

    Right now, that same guy I was referring to has sole custody, and is raising his twin boys with no financial support or assistance from his ex-wife. Add to that, his oldest twin is trying to be very helpful. He is helping them to meet their insurance deductible as he just broke his hand skateboarding. ;\

    And like I said a few posts ago, I do not own a suit today, but I do have a sports jacket and a nice conservative tie that goes with it. My boss is retiring at the end of the week, so I think I need to dust it off and update my resume and try to move up the ladder now that an opening is there. B-)

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    CaptBilly1Eye

    Whoa.
    That said it all and in a clear way.

    ...sounds like you're used to using a crutch as a lever rather than an excuse. In other words, not allowing roadblocks to equal a dead stop.

    Good Points.

    Using a bad situation to be self-righteously blind to the realities of business doesn't get anyone anywhere but into a worse situation.

    oh... and... Good Luck


    <damn, I miss the extended thread trick>

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    jdclyde

    "Using a bad situation to be self-righteously blind to the realities of business doesn't get anyone anywhere but into a worse situation."

    The "I'm a victim" syndrome these people put themselves in is exactly why there are so many people that are just getting by in life. Next thing you know, they will think that someone other than themselves should be responsible to pay for their health care. After that, someone other than themselves should start making their car payments too..... :0

    How did this country sink so low?

    I had a similar discussion with someone sniveling about how his facial piercings should not stop him from getting a good job. Waaaaaaaaaaaa. He got pissed when I told him if I was doing the hiring, he wouldn't make it past the first interview, provided he was able to sneak in that far, and if he DID get that far, it would be a very short interview as he wouldn't have a snowballs chance in **** unless we are talking hiring to be a ditch digger that never is seen by the public.

    Oh, and my boy got lucky. They just put a splint on his hand instead of a cast. A lucky turn of events, considering how hot a cast would be this time of year, and the difficulties with taking showers.

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    jck

    none of you have ever been in real dire financial situations like my friend.

    Again, my friend was poor as ****...whether you want to believe it or not.

    As for borrowing money from family...he had parents who had money...and...they would not loan him anything. So, count yourself lucky if yours helped you...his wouldn't.

    JamesRL: I've been in a hiring firing roll before, and I got there by age 27. I chose not to be a manager. So, don't stick that nose up in the air and be all pious with me. I've been where you are at, and I found it dull, useless, and technically about as challenging as passing gas. I left it willingly. I hope you'll say the same for your career rather than being removed through attrition.

    jdclyde: Like I said before...because you haven't been there or seen someone who is in it...don't think it doesn't exist. My friend didn't even make $18k per year, especially when he was mobilized to Ft. Ord in Desert Storm and the military was his only income. He made $5-something an hour from Revco Drug. He made a few hundred a month from the National Guard.

    Luckily enough...someone in management didn't think him totally incompetent because he couldn't borrow money off his relatives or take more loans to enhance his wardrobe.

    Last I talked to him, he was working as a digital trunk line engineer for Alcatel.

    Anyway...I must be in the wrong place being around the aristocracy of IT. I feel out of place here anymore, hence I am making myself scarce.

    I have no time to argue with people who think that there is a definitive set of traits that define the quality of a person's work ethic, and one of those major indicators being how much you're willing to spend for clothing.

    I wish you all the best...and hope none of you are judged for technical merit based on your wardrobe.

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    DT2

    Dress nice. Remember, the interviewer doesn't know you from Adam. All they have to go on is your resume and how well you performed in the interview. How would the interviewer know that you are meticulous in your coding and database design? Because you told them so? Given that you have two people that seem to be equally qualified from their resumes and interviews, the one that dresses nicer will tip the scales in their favor.

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    CaptBilly1Eye

    I was focusing more on the initial 'Please Hire Me' interview.
    Because it is more acceptable now in the work place to 'dress down' to a point, does that transfer over to the interview?
    Or is it still as important to dress more for the job of the person interviewing rather than the job you are interviewing for?

    The book, 'Dress for Success', published back in the 70s (with a revised, updated version in the 90s) was aimed at the idea that you should look your best in order to land the job that leads to your success. Although, the idea of trying to make a impression by dressing the part may have become diluted over the years. Don't you think it still carries some weight?

    I keep remembering a manager I once had that said; "you should always dress for the job you want, not the one you have."

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    lhanson

    CaptBillyOneEye beat me to the punch. I dress down at work but not as down as some of my people. When I interviewed for this job and others I was considering at the time, I wore suits and ties. My theory is that I wanted them to get the impression they were hiring a professional who takes his job seriously. I don't make it a point, but I dress better than the president of the company. In fact he asked me not to wear my suit coat to a meeting with a customer one day and was a little surprised to see me in a tie.

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    CharlieSpencer

    Nothing says unprepared like borrowing a pen when asked to fill out an application. I knew a manager who kept a green pen for just such requests. That way he could tell at a glance what applications to ignore.

    Don't ask to use their copier to make a copy of your resume, vita, references, etc. You should have done that before you got there.

    Don't rely on others for transportation. The only thing worse than being late because your friend had car trouble is having to leave the interview because your friend has an appointment of his own. If you can't arrange reliable transportation for a single interview, how are you going to do it five days a week?

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    Locrian_Lyric

    explicit instructions to the receptionist...

    if an applicant asked to borrow the pen, green it was...

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    n4aof

    While I was involved in hiring people it was a place where we received specific applications before we considered doing interviews. A sloppy application NEVER resulted in an interview. Back in the days of typewriters, in one large batch of applicants for an Admin Services position (glorified typist) every hand written application was discarded unread, followed into the trash by each application with less than perfect spelling, visible corrections, and where the text was out of place.

    Our standards for applications for professional positions were NOT QUITE as absolute on the appearance of the application, but 'neatness and spelling' were still absolutely mandatory.

    As for dress and appearance at the interview, we expected the applicant to look at least as well dressed as would be appropriate for the job.

    In the real world there is a double-standard for female applicants to dress appropriately simply because there are more kinds of "inappropriate" ways for a woman to dress. (I have never seen a male applicant for any office job show up looking like an actor at a casting call for a Fabio stand-in but I have seen several women show up for a morning interview dressed for a night at the club).

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    JamesRL

    Have an extra copy of your resume just in case they invite another guest into the interview (it happens).

    Get to the area of the interview well before hand. Find a place to sit with coffee/tea and review your notes before the interview - you did take notes when you researched the company right?

    If the interview is in an unfamiliar area, drive there at night so you know the way - but assume traffic will be worse when the interview happens.

    Tide to go....nuff said. Bring an extra tie.

    I polish my shoes the night before.

    I've gone so far as to call up my references and review some of my behavioural questions (tell me about a time when you....). A little coaching can go a long way, and since you can anticipate certain questions, you can really shine if you make the effort.

    James

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    jdclyde

    It really is amazing how many people don't even THINK about this as a repeatable process.

    Research the company? I have seen people walking in, looking for a job and put "any" under the position desired. Yeah, that will impress them.

    My last two interviews I was painfully unprepared for, and was even wearing jeans and a tee shirt for one, but they were cases where I was referred to them and they asked me to come right over for an interview. Got both jobs.

    With the current market, I think I had better build a new resume and prepare for the worst. If the worst happens and I am prepared for it, it isn't as big a deal.

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    alphatech9

    I generally follow this rule also. But I will say that it probably only comes into play 10%-20% of the time. More often than not they hand you a pen and an application in one. They never see your pen. I like my own pen because I prefer the gel pens, over traditional ink. I write so much better with the gel, and of course you want to write as neat as possible on any app....

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    jmgarvin

    I bring an extra cover letter and resume/cv, references, a pen, scratch paper, and a small portfolio of work (code samples, curriculum snippets, etc).

    I've also gotten in the habit of driving to the office where I will be interviewing the night before. It gives me an idea of the distance and I won't get lost when I head to the interview.

    I hate the new hottness of filling out applications for EVERY job...blech...

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    Freebird54

    one time. At that point I pulled out the cheap Bic I had along, and told him I rarely used a pen (as I was always in reach of a computer) but at least the colour of the one I had was an improvement!

    Not that I knew what he was doing - but that could well have been it! As for transportation - if you really don't have a reliable setup, bite the bullet and use a cab. You can bus it to fairly nearby to keep the cost down - and walking back to the bus isn't that big a hardship - after all, you can lose the tie AFTER the interview... :)

    I think it is best to arrive slightly overdressed - it is easy to achieve more informality after arrival if it seems to be more appropriate - and very hard to go the other direction!

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    jdclyde

    If it is worth getting the job, you should know a little bit more about it? In todays market with the internet postings allowing the interviewer to find more qualified applicants, anything to stand out of the crowd is good, like knowing how people dress because you have been there already.

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    Locrian_Lyric

    Suit and tie for men, business dress for women.

    UNLESS:

    you happen to know that a particular company considers that to be too formal, and there aren't many that do.

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    Winnie The Pooh

    What do you do in a situation where the company is 'dress casual?' How do you know what they consider 'too formal'?
    In the past I'd say - suit. But now I'm wondering if a sport coat & tie would be better. - with dress pants, of couse.
    I went to an interview for an assistant manager position a month ago wearing a new, tailored suit. I felt that in the large company where I applied where everyone is in casual clothes, including the manager, that I was over dressed. It made me self-conscious and uncomfortable. Needless to say, I didn't get called back. But that was most likely related to my limited certs.

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    jdclyde

    If you felt uncomfortable, you probably LOOKED uncomfortable.

    The interviewer could easily mistake being uncomfortable on being over dressed with a lack of confidence in your abilities.

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    CaptBilly1Eye

    It's hard to hide it when you're uncomfortable.
    Makes 'em think there is something else buggin' ya.

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    Winnie The Pooh

    I can see how that may have had something to do with it.

    But the silver lining was that I landed a better job anyway.
    funny how things work like that.

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    DownRightTired

    did you wear a suit to that interview?

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    Winnie The Pooh

    I wore a blue sport coat, power tie, white shirt and gray slacks.
    quite dapper if I do say so myself.

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    jdclyde

    Not getting a certain job sometimes is a good thing. I have applied places and been denied. Years later I would meet someone that had been there and they HATED it there. Dodged that bullet!

    Congrats on the better job.

    And yes, DID you dress up for the better job?

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    Winnie The Pooh

    That company that didn't hire me is going through its second wave of lay-offs. I would have probably been axed due to lack of seniority.

    and, yes. I dressed up but I wore a sport coat as opposed to a full suit.

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    onbliss

    Dress matters less. Attitude matters more to me as a programmer.

    But a well ironed full sleeves + pants, and recently shined shoes would do good for me.

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    jmgarvin

    I tend to wear a dark 2 piece suit with either a white shirt, for the more conservative areas of the country, or a colored shirt. I usually wear a primarily red, blue, or black tie.

    However, most interviews in the southwest and California seem to be ok with a shirt and tie.

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    Ironspider

    Tie optional

    Message was edited by: beth.blakely@...

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    CaptBilly1Eye

    I figured it was only a matter of time till someone took the low road. Congrats on being the first.
    Actually I expected something more like a suggestion for women to wear a French Maid outfit. :)

    Is this a shot of you working in your underwear?

    <couldn't resist>

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    Ironspider

    At least in my mind's eye.

    Message was edited by: beth.blakely@...

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    jmgarvin

    Zee goggles, zey do nathing...

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    CharlieSpencer

    I can't unsubscribe from this topic fast enough.

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    Tig2

    A long skirted black suit in winter- with appropriate footwear, and a shorter skirted black suit in summer.

    The feedback I hear, even if I am not the preferred candidate is that I was appropriately attired and would continue to make stellar first impressions.

    Yes, how you dress for the interview speaks volumes.

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    Ironspider

    Speaking louder.

    Message was edited by: beth.blakely@...

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    jdclyde

    Do you feel like you are treated differently in a dress than a pants suit?

    I have seem some that pull it off nicely, but others, not so nicely.

    Oh yeah, it seems like ironspider has shown himself to be unworthy of reading his comments. That didn't take long, did it?

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    Tig2

    Never got to see it. I had to do real work today.

    The comment I get has more to do with ingrained bias- that business professional for a woman is a skirted suit.

    There is a rule about short skirted suits- the hem must NEVER be above the knee. And a tailored blouse is the appropriate pairing, although in this state, a crew necked sweater or turtleneck is acceptable.

    Oh and no black hose after Memorial Day. Not in the work environment, anyway.

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    gadgetgirl

    I've found that there ARE distinct differences. I've no idea why! Perhaps it's the old fashioned thing of ladies should only wear dresses/skirts, not trousers. It could be the "look feminine" thing..... ;\

    I agree with you; some women can carry off a skirt suit and some look downright uncomfortable. From my experience, it depends how good the woman feels wearing skirts. I've a few female friends who only possess one skirt, as part of a suit, that they keep solely for interview situations.

    That's when it tells; believe it or not, guys, you have to be used to wearing a skirt to wear one well. That's why I started occasionally wearing skirts for work (to comments like "oh you HAVE got legs!" and " is this the annual outing for your legs?!" etc.) I found I was less "confident" if I hadn't worn a skirt for a while. Why? You forget the niceities of how to sit/stand, get in/out of a car etc. without showing off your underwear! You also forget how to gauge gusts of wind, and when to hang on to your hem before it hits you in the face....

    For me, on the interview front, I'm two for two with the skirt suits, so I'll probably never wear a trouser suit for interview again....

    GG

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    jdclyde

    And knowing the rules allows you to get by. I follow the same idea of maintaining the illusion of respectability in my professional life.

    Very few here at work know I go to OzFest every year, and even fewer know I crash the mosh pits. I think only one person knows I have a tattoo, and NONE of them know or have seen me with an ear ring in ( now THAT was an interesting story, for another time.... )

    People that know me, know I am folicolly challenged, so I keep it trimmed short (what is left). No bald guy with the big pony tail here!

    We play by others rules when we want to play THEIR game. You are free to "be yourself" when you are your own boss.

    And yes, guys are just WAITING for women to been to pick something up the wrong way. It is the simple things in life that make it all worth living..... ]:)

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    gadgetgirl

    I think you told me what it was, but the heat has my memory fried today....

    More importantly - WHERE??!!



    As for keeping your hair trimmed short - same question! WHERE??!!



    ]:)

    GG

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    jdclyde

    In high school, I was referred to as "The Missing Link" because of being "fuzzy".

    Got to keep "it" well groomed, ya know? B-)

    Tat, just a dragon on my calf. Nothing scandalous, sorry!

    Got that whole "heat" thing started up again already? Or is this coming in "flashes"? :0

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    gadgetgirl

    This morning, the weather forecast for my area said no wind, cloudy, dry (ish) and 66F.

    In actuality, it's blue sky, blazing hot sunshine, no clouds at all, they've burned off, the wind is distinctly warm, and the temp keeps going between around 72 - 76F.

    Help! I'm melting!



    Can I have some g & t to go with the ice you're going to want to send me, please??



    GG

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    NaughtyMonkey

    I have a pierced lip, a few ear piercings, and multiple tattoos. One tattoo is on my forearm (bad decision when I was 16) so I always wear long sleeves to interviews unless I know the company is not appearance bias. Usually I wear a suit and lose the jacket if I don't feel I need it. I also never wear any piercings to the interview.

    After I get a job, I tend to wear long sleeves for a few days and eventually roll them up or something after testing peoples opinions on tattoos. That was a dumb thing to do, but I get by with it. I also never wear any piercings to work. I maintain a professional appearance and dress however is standard for the company. I don't talk about the killer show I went to the night before or how my wife pissed me off. My personal life stays personal and I do my job well.

    Even after you get a job, you still have to impress in one way or another (hopefully by what you know), so you can't let your guard down right away.

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    jdclyde

    Sorry, I just HAD to say that! ]:)

    Anywho... You are referring to what I call "Maintaining the illusion of respectability".

    When I got my office job, I stopped wearing my ear ring. At Ozzfest or halloween, I will put one back in, but NEVER at work or around anyone from work.

    A lot of this goes back to the same ideas of what is proper behavior at an office Christmas party. Don't drink too much, dress nicely, and don't use this as a time to beotch about how dumb the boss is.

    Back in "the day", I ALMOST got a tat on my forearm, but lucky for me I didn't like the idea of getting something off the wall. Was going to get a falcon, but then my but got an eagle there, so scratch that......

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    NaughtyMonkey

    i will sue for sexual harassment. Of course if it were someone like GG or Shelbot that would be different.

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    GlennHughes

    Always wear formal business attire when you attend an interview until such a time that the interviewer says the company has a casual dress code (I'd still go for formal personally though) or, if you are successful, you join the company and find it out then.
    Also stick with the idiots dress guide - plain, basic colour suits (black, dark blue, grey etc.), no Homer Simpson ties or socks, polished shoes, have a shave, no 'sexy' clothes for women (it won't get you any points unless the interviewer is a complete idiot anyway).
    I interview for various positions from software engineer to manager and if they show up scruffy I think they haven't made any effort and aren't bothered about the role or their chances.

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    I am a rather short person and tend to look much shorter when wearing a suit. I have found that nice sport coats work very well for me. I will always wear slacks, pressed shirt, tie, and sport coat for a first interview. On a second interview I will tailor my dress to be slightly better than what the interviewer was wearing on my first interview.

    This worked very well about six months ago when I interviewed for my current position. I interviewed with a CPA firm and dressed appropriately. The manager who interviewed me actually apologized for not being more appropriately dressed herself. This gave me an opportunity to break the ice and take control of the interview. I left confident that I had landed the job. The second interview was a formality with one of the partners. I was offered the job an hour after I left the second interview.

    If you dress well it is easier for the manager to imagine you dressing down appropriately than the reverse.

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    geraldken

    I couldn't agree more, a suit is never inappropriate at a job interview. Even when I worked at a company where people came to the office in shorts and flip-flops, it was important to them that when I presented myself for an interview I took the time and effort to put my best foot forward.

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    OldER Mycroft

    Which one?

    Oh, and how flashy was the one solitary shoe?

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    rippleintheforce

    If you don't care enough to dress like you want the job, you wont get it. Show up at my place in jeans and a t-shirt you are automatically not considered After you get the job dress like everybody else.